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eSports federation players defer OSL participation - Page 36

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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#701
On August 24 2012 20:24 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:23 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
Also what is TL's stance on this (the website, not the community)?
Will they start to not 'feature' OSLs and stuff?

Don't drag TL into shitfest.


TL site have nothing to do with it, it's just a news / forums site.

What the actual team decide actually matters some, but right now they are not affected yet.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#702
On August 24 2012 20:25 Yello wrote:
Can anyone translate some Korean Netizen reactions please?


Its quite nasty
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#703
On August 24 2012 20:25 Yello wrote:
Can anyone translate some Korean Netizen reactions please?


Use google translation lol... best entertainment in a shitty day.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#704
On August 24 2012 20:24 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:23 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
Also what is TL's stance on this (the website, not the community)?
Will they start to not 'feature' OSLs and stuff?

Don't drag TL into shitfest.


Was just curious.
No 'evil' intent in mind.
@dbrisingr
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#705
On August 24 2012 20:18 howLiN wrote:
While I agree with their reasons, I think it's a very disproportionate reaction and one that has much bigger consequences than to simply not have KeSPA players play in Code A qualifiers.


If KeSPA gave a better reason (they were pulling the scheduling conflict card which doesn't work "and" doesn't make sense considering it was player/team choice) "or" said they let their players participate in the next season (which they did not), then I could see this being unreasonable.

However, it seemed like KeSPA was being a bully and attempted to kill off GOM with this. I made a big post before but part of the reason I watch and support eSports is because of the positive atmosphere from not only from most of the players but from tournament organizers as well.

Something like this easily puts me off from supporting them (I can imagine others agree as well - For those in Korea, they'll just watch kpop instead).

There has already been on site with confirmed negative reasons from netizens in Korea to KeSPA.

Does KeSPA have a monopoly over LoL content in Korea? If not, then it's also likely they can't just back down and switch to LoL either.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#706
THANK YOU KESPA, I told you this would happen. It's such a retarded move by KeSPA, this is the only reaction that makes sense.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
August 24 2012 11:27 GMT
#707
On August 24 2012 20:23 phoenixfeather95 wrote:
Also what is TL's stance on this (the website, not the community)?
Will they start to not 'feature' OSLs and stuff?


Liquid will want to remain disconnected and objective. Even in the worst case scenario, I assume that articles etc will still be made as if nothing had happened.
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 11:29:33
August 24 2012 11:28 GMT
#708
On August 24 2012 20:16 Goldfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:12 massivez wrote:
On August 24 2012 20:07 Sp00ly wrote:
On August 24 2012 20:01 .vid wrote:
well, seeing how far behind kespa players are, this makes sense. they'd just get embarassed in the gsl.. and like fxoboss said, gom really is shit at scheduling.

go kespa, fortunately you can bury sc2 and everyone goes back to brood war :D


They wont go back to BW.

The best thing that can come from this is Kespa wakes up and smells the coffee and works towards a better eSports scene - where the players (or at least their teams) get to decide what tournaments they play in.

At worst we end up with OSL and GSL as two totally distinct tournaments with separate groups of players. I think this will fuck over OGN way more as everyone knows it will be a lower calibre of play and GSL will remain the pinnacle.

At the end of the day I just feel really really bad for all the players.


I doubt it GSL will remain the pinnacle with players like Effort, Rain, Jaedong, Roro.. already taking games from Top GOM players (Seed, Gumiho, Drg,...). I give it 1 more season of GSL before GOM players will start to lag behind. Mainly because of the ridiculously strict practice regime the Kespa players have.


Well right now it really depends on Koreans.

As shown in BW, RTS games on TV are declining in popularity (sponsors losing interest, viewers declining).

With this drama (which even most Koreans are against KeSPA too apparently), KeSPA has a good chance of being boycott by many (and instead, everyone will start watching more kpop).

As for LoL? Is KeSPA the only one exclusively holding LoL tournaments in Korea?


Yes they are but they have no control over the teams unlike in bw.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 24 2012 11:28 GMT
#709
Blizzard needs to slap them both and make them play with each other again.

It is especially sad to miss opportunities for more cross GSL-Kespa games in this period, because this is probably the best time for such games. Supposedly, the Kespa players at some point could surpass the GSL players in skill so much, that such cross games would not even be that entertaining anymore, but now, exactly now, they are great fun to watch.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 24 2012 11:29 GMT
#710
On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too.


OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely.

Can you show which position OGN occupy?

[image loading]
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
August 24 2012 11:29 GMT
#711
I could actually understand the move from Kespa, although it seemed a little drastic. The players are still stuck in a 2-game proleague, which is to be wrapped up soon and the players can fully focus on SC2.

Kespa tries to keep the market value of its players high because they are the only reason Kespa is so mighty. If BW players just couldnt adapt, the interest in these players to play SC2 would drop and Kespa just hadnt that much of a good position against ESF any more. Keep in mind that these are two rivaling organisations. The thing for Kespa is that their strong position can only be kept if their players can fare well against the GSL players. If there is no competition between those two camps, Kespa players are suddenly not that interesting any more...


personally, I didn't mind much that Kespa withdrew from the next GSL qualifiers. I would rather see the fully-SC2-trained now-BW-pros swarm and conquer the qualifiers than see them lose in 2nd round now. GSL players show awesome games themselves, it's still entertaining and Kespa can wait a little longer
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
August 24 2012 11:29 GMT
#712
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok.

On topic: Yeah, I don't really see KeSPA playing fair here. For the sake of athletic competition, enter the tournament, please. We've already seen it can't possibly be too terrible.
rogscorp
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)13 Posts
August 24 2012 11:30 GMT
#713
As a Korean E-Sports fan (and with the most other Korean E-Sports fans it seems) I totally support their decision. It's just a fair natural reaction against KeSPA's ugly move. As Mr. Chae from GOM tweeted, "if it happens once, it might not happen again. But if it happens twice, it definitely happen again" KeSPA did this shit before and they are doing it again. If KeSPA don't learn a lesson, they will do it again in the future.

So I hope other fans to understand this decision and support ESF players. Seriously, they have entertained for two years. We can do this for them.
Life for life.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 11:31:11
August 24 2012 11:30 GMT
#714
On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too.


OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely.

Can you show which position OGN occupy?
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams)

quote FXOBoSs:
1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party.


http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4535 Posts
August 24 2012 11:31 GMT
#715
could anyone give me a little background info? why was msl able to survive in bw but gomtv classic wasn't? what am i missing.
hi. big fan.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
August 24 2012 11:32 GMT
#716
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 11:32 GMT
#717
On August 24 2012 20:31 FataLe wrote:
could anyone give me a little background info? why was msl able to survive in bw but gomtv classic wasn't? what am i missing.


MSL was also on part of KeSPA board, GOM was not.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 24 2012 11:33 GMT
#718
On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:
On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too.


OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely.

Can you show which position OGN occupy?

[image loading]


Well according to what he wrote it would be on the board of directors obviously.
n.Die_Jaedong
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 24 2012 11:33 GMT
#719
On August 24 2012 20:29 schaf wrote:personally, I didn't mind much that Kespa withdrew from the next GSL qualifiers. I would rather see the fully-SC2-trained now-BW-pros swarm and conquer the qualifiers than see them lose in 2nd round now. GSL players show awesome games themselves, it's still entertaining and Kespa can wait a little longer


took mvp 2 months to get skill in sc2 and 3 months to win a championship, some kespa players have been playing 6months+ so the whole fully trained bw pros doesn't really hold up anymore and the tip top sc2 kespa players almost don't play bw anyway.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
August 24 2012 11:33 GMT
#720
jesus these people are so fucking sensitive.
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