• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:07
CEST 22:07
KST 05:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature3Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris10Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again! What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : I made a 5.0.12/5.0.13 replay fix
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Maps with Neutral Command Centers Victoria gamers [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway How do the new Battle.net ranks translate?
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [ASL20] Ro24 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1086 users

eSports federation players defer OSL participation - Page 19

Forum Index > SC2 General
1588 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 80 Next
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#361
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.

regardless of what kespa did, this is worse.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#362
On August 24 2012 18:45 Dakure wrote:
Instead of being the bigger man, GOM is pulling a tantrum. Completely unprofessional. I am no longer purchasing any of their subscriptions. I hope you're happy GOM.


Again, this has nothing to do with GOM. This was the ESF's decision. v_v
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#363
On August 24 2012 18:44 EnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:41 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!

They are good enough to not get owned by random code B's. If the qualifiers were held, due to their big numbers I suspect around half would be Kespa players getting through.



Why...based on what? I've never seen proof that Kespa players are code A level.


You havent been watching WCS Korea obviously
j1nzo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany367 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#364
one of the worst news ever...
how ridiculous can a professional organization be...
it feels like "you don't like my brother/cousin? so i don't like yours either!" -.-
now i'm curious to see what kespa will do to conceal that the first sc2 osl has missing an entire round (of 16) and 8 star players.

either kespa is incredibly stupid or brilliant- as they might have a reason to risk this... or they just underestimated the loyalty between esf and gom...
♞ rest in peace Madiba ♞
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#365
I feel like Kespa never even tried to give me, a viewer who doesn't understand Korean, a good experience. I support this ESF decision and will continue giving money to events they attend.
ilsamsamchil
Profile Joined September 2010
155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:55:45
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#366
Really solid move by ESF. It's important to note that its the teams and players who has made the decision, not the parenting organization.
https://www.twitch.tv/ShowbuTV
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#367
On August 24 2012 18:43 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!


Shouldn't Flash make the decision for himself whether he wants to compete in a tournament or not.


NO because he is on a team with a salary, why do people talk about players like this. He is an employee!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#368
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!


Completely irrelevant.

First, this won't happen.

Second, we don't ask for KeSPA players to be forced to play in the GSL. We just want that they have the right to do so if they want.

Btw, RorO beating Leenock, SKT_Rain going toe to toe with Creator, does that mean they'll be owned by a random Code B player ? Personally, I don't think so...
LiquipediaWanderer
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#369
Risky gamble from ESF. If it works, KeSPA backs down and lets the players compete in GSL, but if it fails it has the potential to damage the Korean SC2 scene possibly beyond repair. Hope they know what they're doing.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#370
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.


Thank you so much. Added it to the OP. You are a friend of esports
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#371
On August 24 2012 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.

regardless of what kespa did, this is worse.


Sometimes medicine doesn't taste good, but it's good in the long run.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Michaels
Profile Joined August 2010
419 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#372
On August 24 2012 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.

regardless of what kespa did, this is worse.



Agree
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
August 24 2012 09:48 GMT
#373
On August 24 2012 18:43 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in.


Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral.

Seriously.......

Did you even read what i wrote?


Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground.
That's at least his personal opinion.


Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall...

But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back...

Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter.


Nope. They had to pull out as the agreement was that kespa players would participate in the GSL while some federation players played in the OSL. If they don't pull out Kespa/OSL fucks over GOM by getting great players yet give nothing in return, it's obvious that the federation players wouldn't allow that.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#374
On August 24 2012 18:45 Dakure wrote:
Instead of being the bigger man, GOM is pulling a tantrum. Completely unprofessional. I am no longer purchasing any of their subscriptions. I hope you're happy GOM.


Lol

Troll post?
Kireak
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden358 Posts
August 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#375
Kids will always be kids?
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
August 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#376
what happens to this OSL @_@
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
August 24 2012 09:49 GMT
#377
On August 24 2012 18:45 Dakure wrote:
Instead of being the bigger man, GOM is pulling a tantrum. Completely unprofessional. I am no longer purchasing any of their subscriptions. I hope you're happy GOM.


eSF is not GOM...... So... yeah....
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:52:32
August 24 2012 09:50 GMT
#378
And so it begun...
or continue?
But for sure not end.

After so much player/personal drama in sc2 we get some company/business drama.
What do you want more?

+ Show Spoiler +
Perhaps good sc2 games?
Save gaming: kill esport
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
August 24 2012 09:50 GMT
#379
This is madness. I really don't see what they gain by doing this.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 24 2012 09:50 GMT
#380
On August 24 2012 18:49 Za7oX wrote:
what happens to this OSL @_@


Well, if this isn't resolved by then, maybe they will just have them play the Round of 8 lol
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 80 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 89
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3439
Bisu 971
Shuttle 721
ggaemo 315
Soulkey 181
Dewaltoss 163
Hyuk 88
scan(afreeca) 25
HiyA 16
Dota 2
monkeys_forever217
League of Legends
Reynor94
rGuardiaN10
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K421
Foxcn6
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King33
Other Games
gofns8389
FrodaN1138
C9.Mang0191
Sick155
Trikslyr53
ZombieGrub50
PPMD30
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 45
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta73
• musti20045 68
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 30
• 80smullet 20
• FirePhoenix1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21291
• WagamamaTV699
League of Legends
• Doublelift2353
Counter-Strike
• Shiphtur191
Other Games
• imaqtpie1205
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
14h 53m
BSL Team Wars
22h 53m
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
1d 6h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 13h
SC Evo League
1d 15h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 16h
Classic vs Percival
Spirit vs NightMare
CSO Cup
1d 19h
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 21h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
3 days
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSLAN 3
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.