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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 24 2012 09:43 GMT
#341
Grown men acting like little children, fighting over toys... this is why we can't have nice things.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
August 24 2012 09:43 GMT
#342
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!


Shouldn't Flash make the decision for himself whether he wants to compete in a tournament or not.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 24 2012 09:43 GMT
#343
On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in.


Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral.

Seriously.......

Did you even read what i wrote?


Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground.
That's at least his personal opinion.


Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall...

But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back...

Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 09:44 GMT
#344
On August 24 2012 18:41 MCXD wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:40 nonsequitur wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to why the Kespa teams can't just leave the organization? Aren't the players contracted to their teams instead of Kespa? If the teams decided to pull out of Kespa, is that possible or are they somehow bound to Kespa?


The teams can't because then they would suddenly be without sponsors and without money. It is far too dangerous and high risk to just do something like that when KeSPA pays them handsome amounts of money. The players the same.

What if the sponsors don't like how things are going, how they aren't getting international exposure, and want the team to defect?
Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
August 24 2012 09:44 GMT
#345
History repeating itself. Brace yourselves, we are in for a drama ride!
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
August 24 2012 09:44 GMT
#346
On August 24 2012 18:41 mrtomjones wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!

They are good enough to not get owned by random code B's. If the qualifiers were held, due to their big numbers I suspect around half would be Kespa players getting through.



Why...based on what? I've never seen proof that Kespa players are code A level.
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 24 2012 09:44 GMT
#347
On August 24 2012 18:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
this is childish.

Yes I understand why they're doing it but lets see who is getting hurt here, the players and OGN themselves who actually weren't at fault in the first place(NO OGN IS NOT KESPA DON'T YOU EVEN DARE TO ARGUE THAT), This is the fucking Ro16 for fucks sake its basically the middle of the tournament, at least for the GSL it was the damn qualifiers.

also GOM IS NOT ESF, SAME AS OGN IS NOT KESPA


No, this is not childish, this is the basic way any union works (and ESF is a player union).
They apply pressure mostly be screwing a third-party up which is closely related to their actual target.
(e.g. busdrivers on strike, leaving the customers with no means of transportation)
durecell
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom85 Posts
August 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#348
Good move. I support the ESF.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#349
On August 24 2012 18:44 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:41 MCXD wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 nonsequitur wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to why the Kespa teams can't just leave the organization? Aren't the players contracted to their teams instead of Kespa? If the teams decided to pull out of Kespa, is that possible or are they somehow bound to Kespa?


The teams can't because then they would suddenly be without sponsors and without money. It is far too dangerous and high risk to just do something like that when KeSPA pays them handsome amounts of money. The players the same.

What if the sponsors don't like how things are going, how they aren't getting international exposure, and want the team to defect?

Their sponsors are situated in korea. Not everything is sponsored internationally. Korea has quite a good economy which can sustain itself.
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
August 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#350
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!


what is someone good do make fun of him on the playground? he already has been owned by random code b level players. man up.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
August 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#351
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2.
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#352
Instead of being the bigger man, GOM is pulling a tantrum. Completely unprofessional. I am no longer purchasing any of their subscriptions. I hope you're happy GOM.
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#353
this was bound to happen, If ESF wants to survive it has to stop kespa from stomping all over its face

I think we all hope that kespa is forced to allow their players to play in the code A qualifiers and the ESF players will rejoin OSL and this will all of been one giant pissing contest that kespa lost
No Artosis, you are robin
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#354
On August 24 2012 18:45 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:44 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:41 MCXD wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 nonsequitur wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to why the Kespa teams can't just leave the organization? Aren't the players contracted to their teams instead of Kespa? If the teams decided to pull out of Kespa, is that possible or are they somehow bound to Kespa?


The teams can't because then they would suddenly be without sponsors and without money. It is far too dangerous and high risk to just do something like that when KeSPA pays them handsome amounts of money. The players the same.

What if the sponsors don't like how things are going, how they aren't getting international exposure, and want the team to defect?

Their sponsors are situated in korea. Not everything is sponsored internationally. Korea has quite a good economy which can sustain itself.

Well, the telecom companies won't defect for sure, but even just 1 or 2 others (like Samsung) would have meant much.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 09:46:36
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#355
Oh sweet, we can let jaedong participate now.

And Bisu....
+ Show Spoiler +
nah....
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#356
On August 24 2012 18:44 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:41 MCXD wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 nonsequitur wrote:
Can someone enlighten me as to why the Kespa teams can't just leave the organization? Aren't the players contracted to their teams instead of Kespa? If the teams decided to pull out of Kespa, is that possible or are they somehow bound to Kespa?


The teams can't because then they would suddenly be without sponsors and without money. It is far too dangerous and high risk to just do something like that when KeSPA pays them handsome amounts of money. The players the same.

What if the sponsors don't like how things are going, how they aren't getting international exposure, and want the team to defect?


It... doesn't really work that way. If it was, though, then we will know when it happens.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#357
Fuck Kespa, I am fine with watching only GSL.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2310 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#358
On August 24 2012 18:15 Ammoth wrote:
Don't know much about kespa's history but I suppose this is a good move and hopefully we get all players in both leagues?


Indeed, you dont know much about KESPA history XD
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 09:46 GMT
#359
On August 24 2012 18:45 Dakure wrote:
Instead of being the bigger man, GOM is pulling a tantrum. Completely unprofessional. I am no longer purchasing any of their subscriptions. I hope you're happy GOM.

Its not Gom's decision. Its ESF, dafuq you been reading? Gom was not involved in this decision.
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
August 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#360
good thing ESF.
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