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anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 24 2012 08:41 GMT
#1581
Here's couple things I didn't mention. Oz isn't listed there only because he wasn't in Korea to be in the conference. Choya is doing damage control because people think Oz bailed on everyone by staying in OSL.

Also the bottom of the article states e-Sports Federation Players Representative Nestea. That's pretty awesome.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 24 2012 08:42 GMT
#1582
On August 24 2012 17:41 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Fuck this makes me nervous. On the one hand I say "good for them!" because it's about time people stood up to KeSPA. On the other, I say "FUCK" because the Auction All-Kill OSL was going to be what brings SC2 to the masses in Korea. If it fails, SC2 in Korea is doomed to never grow.


I refuse this statement. It will grow, but it will grow a ton faster if KeSPa would play nice for once.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 24 2012 08:42 GMT
#1583
Well, this is all fucked.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
August 24 2012 08:43 GMT
#1584
Ah man, why do I have to work in 35 minutes, Whhhhhyyyy? I want this drama to unfold more!
Pokemon Master
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 24 2012 08:44 GMT
#1585
On August 24 2012 17:42 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:41 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Fuck this makes me nervous. On the one hand I say "good for them!" because it's about time people stood up to KeSPA. On the other, I say "FUCK" because the Auction All-Kill OSL was going to be what brings SC2 to the masses in Korea. If it fails, SC2 in Korea is doomed to never grow.


I refuse this statement. It will grow, but it will grow a ton faster if KeSPa would play nice for once.


I agree. For fairness, it would also grow faster if the players did not boycott the OSL, however there is a limit where you can let yourself be pushed around by Kespa.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 24 2012 08:44 GMT
#1586
On August 24 2012 17:41 anrimayu wrote:
Here's couple things I didn't mention. Oz isn't listed there only because he wasn't in Korea to be in the conference. Choya is doing damage control because people think Oz bailed on everyone by staying in OSL.

Also the bottom of the article states e-Sports Federation Players Representative Nestea. That's pretty awesome.


Awesome. I hope that Oz does as well. I wonder also what Boxer has to say about all of this since he just signed back on with KeSPa. I feel like he would be for working together, but that may just be our hero-worship there. Haha. I hope we can get a full translation soon.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 24 2012 08:44 GMT
#1587
Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck shit just got real
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
August 24 2012 08:45 GMT
#1588
Shit just got real. Hopefully this ends in GOM and KESPA working something out and giving us KESPA players in GSL and non KESPA players in OSL.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 08:45:50
August 24 2012 08:45 GMT
#1589
On August 24 2012 17:44 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:41 anrimayu wrote:
Here's couple things I didn't mention. Oz isn't listed there only because he wasn't in Korea to be in the conference. Choya is doing damage control because people think Oz bailed on everyone by staying in OSL.

Also the bottom of the article states e-Sports Federation Players Representative Nestea. That's pretty awesome.


Awesome. I hope that Oz does as well. I wonder also what Boxer has to say about all of this since he just signed back on with KeSPa. I feel like he would be for working together, but that may just be our hero-worship there. Haha. I hope we can get a full translation soon.

If I am him, I would pull a Jay Wilson on KeSPA.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 08:46:29
August 24 2012 08:45 GMT
#1590
No OSL for me then. Good move by the sc2 players. Hope this will make kespa come to terms with gom.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 24 2012 08:46 GMT
#1591
Hehehe so federation wasn't just for name sake. This will be interesting.
Stork[gm]
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1835 Posts
August 24 2012 08:46 GMT
#1592
Hell yes!

Although this might mean future of sc2 won't be that bright, Kespa needs to be put in place.
OnFiRe888
Profile Joined October 2010
United States629 Posts
August 24 2012 08:46 GMT
#1593
On August 24 2012 17:29 ilsamsamchil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:28 anrimayu wrote:
Well, the Federation decided to keep the GSL players, Nestea, MVP, MC, Parting, San, DRG, and MKP, from playing in the OSL until Kespa stop being greedy assholes to fuck over esports.


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1273725&category=102&subcategory=
source

short translation: This was an unfortunate turn of event, especially considering it has only been 4 months since the agreement we have made back in may. Looking back at what happened on gomtv classic, we are worried that this is something that could happen all over again well in the future. Under the agreement of all ESF teams and players who are attending OS(: nestea, mvp, mc, drg, mkp, parting, san), we have agreed to boycott OSL.


Reason stated are scattered all over the announcement but it's mostly because they are worried that GSL might be squeezed out and that might be the end of ESF as well.

(OZ is not in the list because he is not part of ESF, MC ,however is in the list)

good for them.


Well, that escalated quitckly.

I'll be honest with you, this is a poor decision on part of the ESF. I understand that they are upset that the Kespa players are not playing in GSL. But let's be honest, they don't need to, and I think that the hype that could be built between the remergence of Kespa vs Gom could be a great storyline for esports in Korea.

However, that is not the main reason why. You can't fight fire with fire. ESF (up until now) has done nothing to upset the Korean fans, they are not at fault for anything, but right now, you can say ESF is not being any better than Kespa. ESF is denying as much kespa vs gom than kespa is, except, this time, the OSL will not be able to run without the already qualified ESF players. Pulling players out of a qualifier, although for reasons that make many people wonder, is not as bad as completely ruining a tournament. (which is essentially what ESF has done with the OSL). They just made this situation a whole lot more complicated than it actually needed to be. Such rash decisions are not only hurting the fans, but also the players and the coaches.

I obviously know that kespa is the main entity to blame here, but ESF is not making the matters any better by pulling out of the OSL. Anyways, it seems like Blizzard is coming to try to resolve things, it would have been nice to know their input before ESF decided to pull out of the OSL.

Blizzard, please come to the rescue.

PS: we want LAN
"Life isn't measured by the breaths you take, but by skill in Starcraft"
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 08:46 GMT
#1594
On August 24 2012 17:44 TheAmazombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:41 anrimayu wrote:
Here's couple things I didn't mention. Oz isn't listed there only because he wasn't in Korea to be in the conference. Choya is doing damage control because people think Oz bailed on everyone by staying in OSL.

Also the bottom of the article states e-Sports Federation Players Representative Nestea. That's pretty awesome.


Awesome. I hope that Oz does as well. I wonder also what Boxer has to say about all of this since he just signed back on with KeSPa. I feel like he would be for working together, but that may just be our hero-worship there. Haha. I hope we can get a full translation soon.


Well, he is just a coach now, which doesn't translate into a lot power with sponsors (even if he built the team in the first place).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#1595
On August 24 2012 17:46 OnFiRe888 wrote:
PS: we want LAN

Are you crazy?? For once I am glad that there is no LAN.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#1596
What a fascinating turn of events. Although I doubt Kespa is the type of organization to back down due to something like this.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
OnFiRe888
Profile Joined October 2010
United States629 Posts
August 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#1597
On August 24 2012 17:47 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:46 OnFiRe888 wrote:
PS: we want LAN

Are you crazy?? For once I am glad that there is no LAN.

*PS: we want LAN, but we don't want kespa to abuse it.
"Life isn't measured by the breaths you take, but by skill in Starcraft"
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#1598
We need Boxer to come fix everything.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 24 2012 08:48 GMT
#1599
On August 24 2012 17:45 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:44 TheAmazombie wrote:
On August 24 2012 17:41 anrimayu wrote:
Here's couple things I didn't mention. Oz isn't listed there only because he wasn't in Korea to be in the conference. Choya is doing damage control because people think Oz bailed on everyone by staying in OSL.

Also the bottom of the article states e-Sports Federation Players Representative Nestea. That's pretty awesome.


Awesome. I hope that Oz does as well. I wonder also what Boxer has to say about all of this since he just signed back on with KeSPa. I feel like he would be for working together, but that may just be our hero-worship there. Haha. I hope we can get a full translation soon.

If I am him, I would pull a Jay Wilson on KeSPA.


Care to explain? I don't see the analogy here.
If all, he could pull a Sheth on them (one party failing to fullfill promises, the other completely abandoning them).
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 08:49:01
August 24 2012 08:48 GMT
#1600
On August 24 2012 17:46 OnFiRe888 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 17:29 ilsamsamchil wrote:
On August 24 2012 17:28 anrimayu wrote:
Well, the Federation decided to keep the GSL players, Nestea, MVP, MC, Parting, San, DRG, and MKP, from playing in the OSL until Kespa stop being greedy assholes to fuck over esports.


http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1273725&category=102&subcategory=
source

short translation: This was an unfortunate turn of event, especially considering it has only been 4 months since the agreement we have made back in may. Looking back at what happened on gomtv classic, we are worried that this is something that could happen all over again well in the future. Under the agreement of all ESF teams and players who are attending OS(: nestea, mvp, mc, drg, mkp, parting, san), we have agreed to boycott OSL.


Reason stated are scattered all over the announcement but it's mostly because they are worried that GSL might be squeezed out and that might be the end of ESF as well.

(OZ is not in the list because he is not part of ESF, MC ,however is in the list)

good for them.


Well, that escalated quitckly.

I'll be honest with you, this is a poor decision on part of the ESF. I understand that they are upset that the Kespa players are not playing in GSL. But let's be honest, they don't need to, and I think that the hype that could be built between the remergence of Kespa vs Gom could be a great storyline for esports in Korea.

However, that is not the main reason why. You can't fight fire with fire. ESF (up until now) has done nothing to upset the Korean fans, they are not at fault for anything, but right now, you can say ESF is not being any better than Kespa. ESF is denying as much kespa vs gom than kespa is, except, this time, the OSL will not be able to run without the already qualified ESF players. Pulling players out of a qualifier, although for reasons that make many people wonder, is not as bad as completely ruining a tournament. (which is essentially what ESF has done with the OSL). They just made this situation a whole lot more complicated than it actually needed to be. Such rash decisions are not only hurting the fans, but also the players and the coaches.

I obviously know that kespa is the main entity to blame here, but ESF is not making the matters any better by pulling out of the OSL. Anyways, it seems like Blizzard is coming to try to resolve things, it would have been nice to know their input before ESF decided to pull out of the OSL.

Blizzard, please come to the rescue.

PS: we want LAN


Korean fans on esports sites are very supportive from what google trans says. That just shows you how much KeSPA is hated even in Korea when internet actually supportive of anything.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
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