No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 23

On August 23 2012 20:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:


Oh so Boxer did... and not you. You might wanna be careful about using "we".

On August 23 2012 20:50 ChoiSulli wrote:



Maybe its the NBA but its the NBA with replacement players. KESPA has the most talented RTS players and they also broadcast on TV with OGN. Everyone can see how GOM is getting shafted in this but this is business. Unless they merge their companies or come up with some kind of revenue sharing scheme they will always be competitors. Also while most of us dont like KESPA, we will still side with KESPA, its like having a family member thats a dick to everyone but we are still going to have his back. Thats how KESPA is to us BW fans and there is a lot of those in Korea. So while maybe foreigners are upset, I think the majority of people in Korea that arent exclusive SC2 fans are happy with this power play as am I. I can see its making a lot of SC2 fans upset because KESPA is coming in and basically trying to replace GOM. You guys have every right to be upset, we were to when SC2 came and replaced BW.

On August 23 2012 20:53 TrainSamurai wrote:


Read Boxer's history. He fought for everyone... thats why he is an icon. In case you missed it completely yes even for the fees.

On August 23 2012 20:55 TrainSamurai wrote:

You might wanna read what he fought for because it includes paying players for even showing thier faces on tv.

On August 23 2012 20:48 zazone wrote:
whats up with these butthurt sc2 fans, why do you care about Kespa players so much ? Weren't you saying that they are no match for the great GSL players ? Then it's better for GSL, all the best players are in there.

On August 23 2012 20:56 achan1058 wrote:
Well, I wish that come up and fight vs KeSPA again.

On August 23 2012 20:55 mrtomjones wrote:

Not even a good comparison dude. SC2 did not try to push BW out. Blizzard didn't make the game so that BW could die. Funny how you side with a company who treats you the viewer like crap over one who caters to people who watch them. You could be hoping for both leagues to do well and SC2 to flourish because of that but you hope for it to die? If Kespa gets their way SC2 will suffer.

On August 23 2012 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:


What a nice way of dodging anything I said.
This ends it for me. Start making sense, bring an intelligent argument and maybe don't say "we fought hard" when really you didn't have anything to do with it.

KeSPA is hurting eSports. First time I said it, but it's true.

On August 23 2012 20:47 nenshoua wrote:
Yeah, kespa is playing hard ball..and gom looks to be in an impotent position..they have no control of "gom players", whereas kespa has full control of theirs..therefore, gom looks kinda screwed...idk, as a neutral party, i am just worried that kespa does not care about the foreign market, whereas gom does (even if its mostly cause of their own benefit), as that seems the most relevant difference between the two.

Gom are not angels, they jumped on sc2 really quickly as it was an opportunity..sure, it was a risk, but they are businessmen, and they made a business decision..their heart does not beat for sc2 necessarily..sure, they sent tastosis out of korea to cast stuff, but how much is that their merit and how much is it tastosis' ? All it takes is a good pitch from tastosis about expanding the foreign market and some hard ball about contracts..i mean tastosis probably made a crapton of money with foreign tournaments..well deserved, too..specially artosis.. but yeah..how many times have you heard tasteless say " we work a little show, gsl..do you know it ? the most prestigious starcraft 2 league" ? a lot..

You can only judge gom by where they had power over us in their hands, and what they gave us when they didn't have to..which is a 240p stream with horrible bitrate..hell, they hosted wcs korea and despite being a blizzard event, it was largely pay per view..and finally, when they put up a 480p stream (probably blizz bugging), it was horrible bitrate..kinda like saying yea yea ok we agreed to 480 in contract..but hey..bitrate..is not in there ..so, just saying, competition might not be the worst thing to happen to gsl..there's not necessarily more kindness to gsl than kespa, maybe just less of a strangle hold on their teams and players..idk, maybe it's a cultural thing and that's how they approach business over there..like it or not, if they have control of everything and you want to watch sc2, you have to watch them and pay them..

On August 23 2012 20:58 TrainSamurai wrote:


Figure of speech idiot. We as in the BW pro scene.

On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.

At the end of the day, KeSPA know that the foreign market and external events are a huge opportunity for them, they have said so time and time again, and there really is no reason to question that. They are doing things their own way, in a fashion that some might not like - but there is no denying that it's KeSPA who created the most successful teams, the most talented players, and the most incredible games of Starcraft we have ever seen. For all the KeSPA anti-fans, there's no denying that current SC2 superstars were raised by KeSPA, and it's quite likely that it will be KeSPA players who will surpass them.

You can hate KeSPA all you want, but the fact is it's them who have created the most spectacular viewer experiences to date, and it's a little short-sighted to call them out like this just because they make a decision you disagree with (even though that decision actually makes perfect sense and you're just calling them out because OMG EVIL bandwagon).

Btw, do any of you seriously believe that IPL, MLG, Dreamhack, GOM or any other e-sports entity out there is doing what they do for their 'love of e-sports'? Please. They are all businesses, and they are in it for their own money, nothing else. At least KeSPA is directly related to the teams they nurture, and their success is directly correlated with the success of these teams. MLG couldn't care less about any of the players or teams that appear there, they'd ditch SC2 entirely as soon as it stopped being profitable, whereas KeSPA actually has a vested interest in keeping the scene and their teams alive.