So as I'm sure you've seen around, there are players with names completely made up of capital "i" 's and lowercase "L"'s, which results in a name looking like IIIIllll and llIIIIlll etc... The reason players do this is to, of course, be anonymous, which means that: - People can't take those replays and study them for when they play that (no longer) anonymous opponent - People who may already know that opponent's style won't be able to use that knowledge
Some people seem to think this is ok, because of the strategic advantage. Others hate it, because they want to know who they are playing against/watching in a stream. (It obviously can get patched out if Blizzard actually thought it was a problem, but I have no idea if anyone there even knows about it ) Thoughts TL?
P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
I would obviously prefer to know who is playing, but I completely understand that at the prolevel this can be the difference between winning or losing.
I don't give a crap about the nickname people want to have. If that helps them with their "ladder anxiety" well, go for it. Who cares. I don't understand why people think it should be a only Pro thing.
There's basically no solution to this problem. ID's are no longer unique, everybody can just choose the same ID and we'd go into the same problem again. Unless blizzard wants to remove duplicate ID now.... but it's probably too late and waaaaayyy too complicated.
I could care less. I just fail to see the point of it for anything under GM league. Its just trying to be trendy, because as the OP said, aint no one trying to steal their diamond level builds.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
actually no, there could be "sssssssss", the problem is not being unique IDs
On August 21 2012 23:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote: There's basically no solution to this problem. ID's are no longer unique, everybody can just choose the same ID and we'd go into the same problem again. Unless blizzard wants to remove duplicate ID now.... but it's probably too late and waaaaayyy too complicated.
if they were gonna use unique ID, they woulda done it when 5000 people named themselves ESPORTS in beta...
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
No. If people want to stay anonymous then that's their right. It shouldn't matter what their skill level is or what league they're in.
On August 21 2012 23:54 GumBa wrote: I understand Pros having it. But whenever I meet a Dia or Plat with barcodes I always get that poser feeling and get annoyed
How is it any different from people that duplicate pros exact names? Or pros that fabricate pros names like LiquidBisu. It's not like you see EGIdra in platinum and think OMG! IDRA GOT DEMOTED TO PLAT!
Personally I could care less what anyone names themselves as long as it isn't extremely racist or something. Its their business.
It's not like they're allowed to be anonymous in tournaments... having a ladder smurf? Who cares... (sure, people care - but it doesn't really matter.) :D
On August 21 2012 23:54 GumBa wrote: I understand Pros having it. But whenever I meet a Dia or Plat with barcodes I always get that poser feeling and get annoyed
How is it any different from people that duplicate pros exact names? Or pros that fabricate pros names like LiquidBisu. It's not like you see EGIdra in platinum and think OMG! IDRA GOT DEMOTED TO PLAT!
Personally I could care less what anyone names themselves as long as it isn't extremely racist or something. Its their business.
No they can do it if they want and in the end Im not bothered by it its just like I said I get this poser feeling whenever I play someone like that :D Couldn care less if they actually did it.
On August 21 2012 23:54 GumBa wrote: I understand Pros having it. But whenever I meet a Dia or Plat with barcodes I always get that poser feeling and get annoyed
How is it any different from people that duplicate pros exact names? Or pros that fabricate pros names like LiquidBisu. It's not like you see EGIdra in platinum and think OMG! IDRA GOT DEMOTED TO PLAT!
Personally I could care less what anyone names themselves as long as it isn't extremely racist or something. Its their business.
I find people naming them selves after pro players to be just as lame.
On August 21 2012 23:54 `dunedain wrote: I have a few accounts, one of them is a barcode one, just for shits and giggles.
So much this, I really don't understand people complaining about it. Let people pick whatever name your want, it's not like you should give a shit about who you play against anyways, especially when it comes to something as meaningless as leader. I think people complaining that it's a joke that you see barcode in like bronze really need to stop taking ladder so serious and important, it literally doesn't mean anything and gm hasn't displayed the 200 best players of a region in a very long time, anyone decent enough uses customs for practice anyways, plus last time I checked you don't need to earn your right to choose a name, anyone can pick whatever name he/she likes and if some of us feel like barcoding thats perfectly fine.
I hate it, not because I think it's somehow BM or unethical, but because it's fun to look through the ladder and see who's hot and who not and bar code names take away one of the only ways we have to judge players, since we don't have a real ELO system. It's not so bad on EU or NA, but if you look at the KR ladder around half of the GMs are bar codes.
Patch to prevent this does nothing at all. All they need is agreement on what should be the common name. If Blizzard patches, they might all switch to "David Kim" just to protest. Then, does Blizzard have to patch all "David Kim" accounts? I guess not. I think it is too late to go back to unique name system.
Anyway that's where I stand. Everyone will continue to rename/name their accounts as barcodes because its the fad with pros. Pros will continue to do it because as TT1 smartly said, it provides real anonymity as long as a healthy number of pros are doing it. Which is cool, especially if it means more streaming pros
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
No. If people want to stay anonymous then that's their right. It shouldn't matter what their skill level is or what league they're in.
I didn't deny that it's their right. I denied that there is a purpose to it (other than just being anonymous for the sake of being anonymous). Nobody knows who you are if you're IIIIIIII or if you're ILovePokemon98
On August 21 2012 23:53 Akhee wrote: its good like that, the only problem is when you re watching someone ladder in kr and theres never a known opponent, ends up being boring
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
actually no, there could be "sssssssss", the problem is not being unique IDs
Assuming there is only 6-15 characters, then you can only have 10 people with a name made up of just "s". The issue is I and l look the same. Then you have 2^10 combinations, or 1024 possible people.
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
No. If people want to stay anonymous then that's their right. It shouldn't matter what their skill level is or what league they're in.
I didn't deny that it's their right. I denied that there is a purpose to it (other than just being anonymous for the sake of being anonymous). Nobody knows who you are if you're IIIIIIII or if you're ILovePokemon98
On August 21 2012 23:53 Akhee wrote: its good like that, the only problem is when you re watching someone ladder in kr and theres never a known opponent, ends up being boring
On August 21 2012 23:52 soon.Cloak wrote:
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
actually no, there could be "sssssssss", the problem is not being unique IDs
Assuming there is only 6-15 characters, then you can only have 10 people with a name made up of just "s". The issue is I and l look the same. Then you have 2^10 combinations, or 1024 possible people.
You don't seem to get it tbh. Its not to be anonymous. It is just for some fun. Nothing to do with hiding their identity. It is a trend atm so people jump on it.
barcodes and account jumping is funny. No one knows who you are only the one pro that changed the font, so he can see l and I and made a list who was on which account gets a benefit from it, while barcoder thinks their build order training remains hidden. But the barcode thing removed the pro smurf hunters, who loved to announce when they found a pro. So it had it benefit.
Adding a "don't mind it" option would probably be good since the two existing ones are a bit extreme. Personally, I'm fine with it although at times it would be nice to know who streamers are actually playing against.
Its a real shame that some people use it just to cheese/BM, I think that's kinda pathetic and it colours my opinion of barcode names as an otherwise useful tool for pros.
On August 22 2012 00:16 anApple wrote: Adding a "don't mind it" option would probably be good since the two existing ones are a bit extreme. Personally, I'm fine with it although at times it would be nice to know who streamers are actually playing against.
lol was considering it, but figured "I don't mind" was too close to "like it", and didn't want to split up the votes.
Unique ID isn't the only problem.... with just combination of i and L for 10 letterspace is 2^9....that's a lot of freaggin combination... and since minimum is 3... you essentially get 2^2+2^3+2^4....+2^9...
It's not the barcodes that are the problem. The problem is that names are not unique. There can be a million people named NesTea on any particular server. Everyone say thank you Blizzard ^^
It's not up to the players to entertain potential stream viewers of their opponent.
This all comes from the fact that you can look up build orders in match history. If players want to use ladder as actual practice, using a barcode is the only way to stay "safe" from getting studied by opponents.
I don't find it weird at all that progamers want to hide their playstyles, but people below masters who have them... I just think it is a waste of a name change imho
I like the idea of pros using barcoded accounts. However, I do see lots of nobodies (below high masters/GM) barcoding accounts, it seems they are really missing the point of it...
It's fine at the higher end of the ladder spectrum like high masters and GM so you can hide who you are so players can't predict what you're doing based on your style of play, but at anything below that it's just pointless and dumb.
On August 22 2012 00:14 FeyFey wrote: barcodes and account jumping is funny. No one knows who you are only the one pro that changed the font, so he can see l and I and made a list who was on which account gets a benefit from it, while barcoder thinks their build order training remains hidden. But the barcode thing removed the pro smurf hunters, who loved to announce when they found a pro. So it had it benefit.
Speaking of smurfs, does anyone know who Freakhill is on the EU server? :D (GM terran)
actually if you put a replay on drop.sc you can see the combination of l's and i's. that way you can study the replays of barcode players and see whose is whose
On August 22 2012 00:25 oZe wrote: It's not the barcodes that are the problem. The problem is that names are not unique. There can be a million people named NesTea on any particular server. Everyone say thank you Blizzard ^^
Thanks for letting me have my name Blizzard and not be driven insane by having to modify it to something stupid.
edit: but they really, really need to let us have less than three chars for a name.
edit2: Also, you'd never see the real NesTea on any particular server with unique names because trolls would hop on the chance to pay the $60 to take his name way before he ever decided to play on multiple servers. It'd be pretty impossible to keep your name as a pro if you didn't already own it on all three servers.
Also nestea is a very generic name and would have likely been taken long before he became known.
edit3: and it's pretty much guarenteed that the names of most kespa pros would have already been taken. There was probably dozens of jaedongs and flashes at release before the real JD and Flash even bought the game.
I really think those barcodes are a saving grace for those of us who want to be anonymous.
Being a Platinum player, I obviously get stalked a lot by people asking for guidance, who offer me money for coaching or simply want some of my projected fame. It's flattering for awhile, but it gets tiresome soon, so this barcode offers celebs a respite.
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
At the same time, if you ladder in Platinum or Diamond, it's not like you're going to encounter a lot of IIIllIIlI's, so even if you do meet one, you will probably be able to recognize him if you meet him again on ladder.
On August 21 2012 23:47 Arcanefrost wrote: I would obviously prefer to know who is playing, but I completely understand that at the prolevel this can be the difference between winning or losing.
ya but when you go to a LAN you cant cover your face the whole LAN -__-
On August 21 2012 23:47 Arcanefrost wrote: I would obviously prefer to know who is playing, but I completely understand that at the prolevel this can be the difference between winning or losing.
ya but when you go to a LAN you cant cover your face the whole LAN -__-
It still means that there is less content to study about players out there if they make their names IlIIIlIIIlI.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
On August 21 2012 23:47 Arcanefrost wrote: I would obviously prefer to know who is playing, but I completely understand that at the prolevel this can be the difference between winning or losing.
ya but when you go to a LAN you cant cover your face the whole LAN -__-
It still means that there is less content to study about players out there if they make their names IlIIIlIIIlI.
Not much of a difference, they could have had any smurf with any name. Barcode names are just difficult to differentiate in-game. Pros have been hiding their practice long before bar codes.
On August 22 2012 00:14 FeyFey wrote: barcodes and account jumping is funny. No one knows who you are only the one pro that changed the font, so he can see l and I and made a list who was on which account gets a benefit from it, while barcoder thinks their build order training remains hidden. But the barcode thing removed the pro smurf hunters, who loved to announce when they found a pro. So it had it benefit.
Speaking of smurfs, does anyone know who Freakhill is on the EU server? :D (GM terran)
It's fOrGG. He used the account multiple times while streaming and actually DeMusliM said the same as well like an hour ago on stream when he was looking at the ladder.
I feel like you have to be really self-important to change your name to that if you aren't a professional. Like someone really wants to steal your masters league terrible build
Its annoying if you're watching someone streaming on the Korean server and its just IlIIIII Protoss or IIIIIIII Terran. As a spectator I don't care who they're playing but I'd like to know if its the same Protoss they just played or a different one, although I understand that if they use unique IDs they need a new smurf when their identity gets leaked, while with the barcodes it doesn't matter.
I have played three different barcodes on platinum EU ladder. One of them i have beaten twice, other one beaten once, and lost to third one twice. You won't know who it is during loading screen, but you can check sc2gears (an app) after the game to find out, if this was a new guy or one of which you already have played, and on ladder you rarely meet the person you have already played, or at least you don't remember him by name, you find out later, the same way you would with barcode name, so on lower leagues barcoded name gives you no advantige.
I know it may help some people w/ their ladder anxiety, which is totally fine.. I do find that many people w/ barcode names don't do it for that reason, but they do like it cause it will get them attention and make them look trendy. I honestly don't use a barcode for any of my accounts, I prefer people to know me than not.
I'd probably have a different opinion if I were a pro player who was constantly bombarded w/ pms from fans/trolls.
SC2 Gears will have an option that can identify known players by checking for common patterns (hotkey setup, initial spam key sequence, APM, and a few other variables) This tool can also be used by tournament organizers to ensure the person playing is actually that person based off previously verified games. The tool will be called player dna sequencing. Keep an eye out for it.
For a while I held the theory that barcodes on ladder are actually experimental AI opponents designed to play like a real person, manner and everything.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
In before zuvgoagbsb becomes the new ||||||||||
I giggled a bit at the idea of a grandmaster league with 50 zuvgoagbsb's in it :D
If top-tier players couldn't publicly practice without having their play studied and build orders analyzed, it would just go back to like in BW where they played in-house games exclusively, and you only got to see two or three games of a new build that they might have been preparing for weeks. Now, you can at least see the strategies, you just don't know who's doing them.
Random, anonymous ladder play helps the metagame progress faster, I think. More games against more players helps pros quickly solve what works and what doesn't.
Im perfectly fine with it if you are a GM player but if you are in plat or diamond or bronze....etc why the hell would you bother? Like are you hiding builds for when you go pro some day? I can see why a GM player would do it because you play the same players every day so you don't want them to go ok here is the map pack of games against X player and ill just meta game the hell out of him. So barcode names help against that.
Why do people care about it anyway? The silver player with a barcode name knows he's not a pro, he's just having fun with it, or it helps him with ladder anxiety (I think making the account less "personal" with a barcode would make you less attached to it maybe?).
The issue shouldn't be with "barcode" names but with the fact Blizzard is forcing no anonymity so players can't practice in private (unless of course you purchase a full 60 dollar game + the expansion pack coming out)... I mean you don't draw up a playbook so your opponent can read between the lines so they have to barcode.
If the pros do it, it's ok, but if some diamond warrior wants to do it, it's lame or unnecessary and pointless? Who are you to make that call, and why should it be any of your business? Why do you care so much for others' names? It's none of your business.
I dont care if someone's name is IIllIIll or NOOBKILLER. I even read on TL some persons dont have ladder fear if they have a Barcode as a name because noone will remember them.
On August 22 2012 02:15 Stiluz wrote: Why do people care about it anyway? The silver player with a barcode name knows he's not a pro, he's just having fun with it, or it helps him with ladder anxiety (I think making the account less "personal" with a barcode would make you less attached to it maybe?).
Yeah, I guess for some people it helps against ladder anxiety.
On August 22 2012 02:21 FatBat wrote: I dont care if someone's name is IIllIIll or NOOBKILLER. I even read on TL some persons dont have ladder fear if they have a Barcode as a name because noone will remember them.
Are people THAT scared of ladder that they have to hide themselves?
People don't remember games and how one has played so much as how someone acted and whether they were polite or completely an in-game jackass. If one is proper and upright about their games, they shouldn't ever be ashamed on how they play the game.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
but hen one could name himself GladHeAteHer like machine and axslav I think and then everyone would have that name if they want to be anonymous (just and example)
It's just retarded, people abuse that while progaming needs that. If blizzard put an option "anonymus" that display "Player1" instead of ||||||||||||, i bet no-one will use it in the retarded way of. This will prove "how much is needed for ladder fear" and bullshit like that, some people have the mentality of a 10years old there's no need to otherthink the issue.
The existance of Barcode names isn't a problem. It's a solution (though not the best one) at trying to play anonymously. If Blizzard would implement a kind of "undercover" way to play, where no one can see the identity of the player they played aggainst, this wouldn't be an issue.
It's ok and even a necessity for progamers I'd say, but I cringe whenever I see a guy in diamond or master with a barcode name, like he was sitting there deciding a nick and thought "man, I'm so god damn famous and so many people want to stalk me that I should have a barcode name + it makes me look like a skilled korean!". Same shit with random nonames on ladder who wont accept messages from people not on their friendslist, "Im so famous guise!".
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
No. If people want to stay anonymous then that's their right. It shouldn't matter what their skill level is or what league they're in.
Exactly, I don't know how people can get "annoyed" by this o.O
Having a barcode name isn't a problem or whatever, and it's understandable for a pro to want to be anonymous or whatever, but a lot of the masters barcoders I run into on ladder tend to be BM or think they're hella pro. I honestly don't have an issue with barcoders, but I do have a problem with people taking the names of pros. Nothin' like seeing EGIdra himself take names in 4v4 monobattles while battlin' out of plat!
It's not impossible to identify barcode accounts. They all use different sequences of lowercase L and capital I. So if you compile replays of barcode accounts, you can separate them by that and then compare their sc2gears hotkey graphs against replays of known pros' accounts. If I was the manager of a pro team in Korea, I would most definitely be paying someone to write a program that compares hotkey graphs against a database of pros' hotkey patterns in order to identify smurf accounts. Then you could pay scouts to do "recon" on your team members' upcoming opponents.
I don't understand the ladder fear argument. If you are not in masters at least, nobody is going to recognize who you are, whether you're IIIIII or iluvoov4life
Why are people thinking that lower league players are "try hards" or "think they will become famous with a barcode name". I am someone who got flamed online because of a remark I posted in a school forum. And that was on the day I was starting school. And they (people from my same school) came to find me and take pictures. In the end, we ended up in the same class (lol fate) and they found out more about me, became friends and didn't bother me anymore. That is why I appreciate the value of anonymity. I have seen lots of people being exposed [CSI'ed] because of their online identity in forums. And others who can't think of creative names, eg. X is sexy. CoolY, etcetc. Using barcodes is a simple and easy way to start playing. No one will know you either. If all you (the opponent) see is llllllllllllll or IIIIIIIIIIlll or llllIIlllllll (14 chars, different combinations of i's and l's) How do you think they are going to become "famous" "OMG, IlIlIIIllllll is PLAYING" "You mean llllIIIllllll?" "No, I mean lllllIIIllllll" ^btw all 6 barcodes are different combinations of of i's and l's Or would you prefer names like 23445332 or 324513232 or kfsa0934 NOOBKILLER PROPLAYER etc, Barcode names are simple and plain. I bet the person doesn't even know the combination of i's and l's because you log in using your email account. Change that to username login and lots of barcode users will probably name change. Of course if the person uses a barcode name to BM it's different, but you can just report him using BNet's system.
Another big reason why pros use it is so the opponents don't know they are playing them before the game. Not so much about strat stealing, but so they can play legitimate games. Take IdrA for example: He has both a regular account and a bar code. Yes, it's obvious that he's the bar code zerg on the top of the NA ladder, and you can figure out if you were playing against him after the game is over, but it is important that it's a secret before the game starts. Some idiots out there would be more apt to do retarded bad/cheese builds if they knew for certain that they were playing someone well known like IdrA.
It's pretty stupid that certain pro players are forced to use this kind of anonymous naming to not reveal their playstyle. Hell, even I want to change my name as I please, like in CS 1.6.
On August 21 2012 23:54 GumBa wrote: I understand Pros having it. But whenever I meet a Dia or Plat with barcodes I always get that poser feeling and get annoyed
yeah man i get that poser feeling everytime i see a barcode name now. man the fuk up and get a real name i say.
Most people i see do that are pro's anyways so to me thats perfectly undertandable. any advantage to get ahead. honestly most people know who they are b/c they stream frequently. Quantic.Illusion is a perfect example of that.
On August 21 2012 23:54 GumBa wrote: I understand Pros having it. But whenever I meet a Dia or Plat with barcodes I always get that poser feeling and get annoyed
^^ this. I dont mind seeing it in masters. (I have a high masters barcode) Its just annoying when I see lower league players with it. Its even more annoying when I see players with fake clan tags (i.e LiquidWater, EGSniper, SlayerSblahblahblah, etc...)
I'm sorry, but protecting the pro's strategies that they may potentially use in tournaments is a lot more important than anyone's feelings or opinions here. Suck it up.
i dunno how i feel about it. One thing i will agree on, is its stupid of lower levels to have it. I got a replay of me beating a IIIlIIllIIlIl player...........and im in platinum xD at first i thought it was a pro ranking up a new account, but i smashed him, couldnt help but laugh. I dont think he knew why people had those kind of names and he just wanted to be part of the group
Im completely fine with it and its a very good thing imo. In BW, you could create multiple accounts to train and remain anonymous, well this is just the replacement and its fine. And for lower level leaguers... who cares? It would make no difference whatsoever if they were named differently anyway. They can't even be "wannabe", because no one can recognize them anyway.
On August 22 2012 06:57 paddyz wrote: Funnily enough im somewhere between perfectly fine with it and hate it.
On August 22 2012 07:01 Incomplet wrote: I'm sorry, but protecting the pro's strategies that they may potentially use in tournaments is a lot more important than anyone's feelings or opinions here. Suck it up.
These two sum it up for me. It's annoying because I don't know who I'm playing, but on the flip side it's completely respectable because there is no other way to go anonymous.
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: (It obviously can get patched out if Blizzard actually thought it was a problem, but I have no idea if anyone there even knows about it )
Well, not quite. Everyone could just use one name together, like "john" or something, and it'd have the same effect, as long as they all used the same name, right?
It's funny how the point of barcodes is meant to give you privacy but you end up playing those douches who think its their god given right to slander insult and harrass another innocent human being.
It's a very primeval response from the neanderthals which cannot understand the concept of respect for fellow people.
Everyone likes to talk shit but no one likes to apologise. They act it's impossible that their opponent is a real pro or what not and flame the fuck out of them. What if they were a pro? There's just no respect at all for your fellow opponent. Heck I remember the day Stephano destroyed the NA ladder and all his opponents simply went 'you WISH you were the real stephano noob'
And you wonder why people WANT to be anonymous in this game.
I like to know who the other guy is when I'm watching a pro player stream and they go up against a bar code, otherwise it doesn't effect me. I don't know who the people I play on ladder are anyway, so whether they have a barcode or a random name doesn't really matter.
I'm glad there is that option for players though. They should be able to remain anonymous if they so choose to help with their practice.
It started out when the KeSPA players started laddering. KeSPA teams are really secret about their replays and builds and everything so "barcode" accounts allow them to remain anonymous. Then it became somewhat fashionable and caught on, with other Korean teams following suit and, inevitably, with various noobs and scrubs trying to "be cool".
It's completely understandable why people use it. As someone who isn't a pro, I personally give the lowest amount of fuck humanly possible what account names pro players are using to ladder with.
Regardless of the anonymity, this is a great way to show Blizzard how stupid it is to not have truly unique ID's. Everyone should be a bar code...YEAH!...
Isn't it funny that these things seem to have come around when the kespa players joined the scene? All that time that the pro players were wondering about this problem and it only comes into fruition then. I really hope that this isnt the case.
only thing that pisses me off is when i see these diamond leaguer or low master leaguers i play against and they have it
it's like what the fuck man
why just why
On September 04 2012 10:18 WillS wrote: Isn't it funny that these things seem to have come around when the kespa players joined the scene? All that time that the pro players were wondering about this problem and it only comes into fruition then. I really hope that this isnt the case.
are you talking about kespa players being smart enough to come up with this idea to hide their builds?
not the case, doing something like this would require ~60+ people all at once to do it otherwise if there's 5-8 terrans who have a barcode you just look at their keybindings and figure out who's who if its done en masse well good luck, coincidently thats a number Kespa teams can easily manage all in one go.
P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
i dont get this, its a gamer tag people use names they like theres no reason for them to use a barcode but theres no reason for them not to either
I don't understand why people bother with using combination i/l names. It simply makes the name more unique and easily identifiable than if they chose/had-chosen the most common name on battle.net (possibly of similar league as well, not that it changes much I would think).
You can have multiple accounts/users with the same name in SC2, so there's no reason to have different combinations of 'i's and 'l's. At the least they should lean towards a standardized name like "AAAAAAAAAAA", "GLHF", "Anonymous", "llllllllll", (or an existing one like "ESPORTS", "Zerg") or something else, which will offer optimum privacy.
Actually, to make things easier, maybe Blizzard should just add a privacy option for battle.net to to which if you enable it, your name becomes something like "Anonymous"
On September 04 2012 10:08 acrimoneyius wrote: Regardless of the anonymity, this is a great way to show Blizzard how stupid it is to not have truly unique ID's. Everyone should be a bar code...YEAH!...
Not at all. The whole origin of barcode names is from when unique names did/do exist, hence people had to come up with various IDs which would look the same, even though they were different.
I don't get why it bothers people what the ID of their opponent is, it has no effect on the game itself. If they want to be anonymous let them do it. I have two accounts, one with a barcode and one without. Nothing wrong with wanting to be able to play anonymously once in a while.
On September 04 2012 11:44 Dodgin wrote: I don't get why it bothers people what the ID of their opponent is, it has no effect on the game itself.
Play styles. Most important at the top level like grandmasters. Even at lower levels it may come a bit in to play when you play the same opponent twice.
However, like my previous post said (right before yours), I don't know why people mix I's and l's; it just doesn't make any sense for privacy purposes.
On September 04 2012 11:42 Xapti wrote: I don't understand why people bother with using combination i/l names. It simply makes the name more unique and easily identifiable than if they chose/had-chosen the most common name on battle.net (possibly of similar league as well, not that it changes much I would think).
You can have multiple accounts/users with the same name in SC2, so there's no reason to have different combinations of 'i's and 'l's. At the least they should lean towards a standardized name like "AAAAAAAAAAA", "GLHF", "Anonymous", "llllllllll", (or an existing one like "ESPORTS", "Zerg") or something else, which will offer optimum privacy.
Actually, to make things easier, maybe Blizzard should just add a privacy option for battle.net to to which if you enable it, your name becomes something like "Anonymous"
On September 04 2012 10:08 acrimoneyius wrote: Regardless of the anonymity, this is a great way to show Blizzard how stupid it is to not have truly unique ID's. Everyone should be a bar code...YEAH!...
Not at all. The whole origin of barcode names is from when unique names did/do exist, hence people had to come up with various IDs which would look the same, even though they were different.
how does 150 people all using a barcode name make it more original then picking a random word?
they could use someonething like GLHF or Anonymous but unless everyone uses that name its pointless because people will figure out who you are eventually by playstyle and rank "oh look theres one guy named Anonymous in the top 8 GM ladder and last time i played him he used X strat and other guys said he used same strat, and we know that Y palyer always uses X strat so now we know Anonymous = Y player" but with everyone using barcode then you cant tell which barcode is who so you dont know if the barcode your playing is the same one or different its impossible to figure out whos who without an insane amount of work
barcode is just the way most people chose to hide there name it could have been anonymous or something else but with barcode you dont actually know if the name is llllllllll or if its IIIIIIIIII or if its IIIIIlllll those 3 names were all spelled differently but you cant tell it apart at all
Because Blizzard doesn't allow multiple accounts like in BW and no way to hide builds on ladder, barcode names came out. Thus it makes sense for pros to have them.
I want a thread on TL for finding out who's which barcode...where people submit reps and have gosu hotkey analysis done, just like the old iccup whos who threads.
the problem is it's next to impossible to distinguish between different barcodes and there's no public way to find a character code right? So it seems next to impossible...
I don't care about this but it is another artifact of Blizzards bizarre policies. 1 account per copy of the game and no name changes mean people are going to make barcode accounts. If you could just make a smurf for an afternoon then you might use any name... but if you have to buy the account the only way to ensure your anonymity is to make a barcode account. Otherwise someone will leak your smurf ID and ruin the anonymous practice.
On September 04 2012 11:42 Xapti wrote: I don't understand why people bother with using combination i/l names. It simply makes the name more unique and easily identifiable than if they chose/had-chosen the most common name on battle.net (possibly of similar league as well, not that it changes much I would think).
You can have multiple accounts/users with the same name in SC2, so there's no reason to have different combinations of 'i's and 'l's. At the least they should lean towards a standardized name like "AAAAAAAAAAA", "GLHF", "Anonymous", "llllllllll", (or an existing one like "ESPORTS", "Zerg") or something else, which will offer optimum privacy.
Actually, to make things easier, maybe Blizzard should just add a privacy option for battle.net to to which if you enable it, your name becomes something like "Anonymous"
On September 04 2012 10:08 acrimoneyius wrote: Regardless of the anonymity, this is a great way to show Blizzard how stupid it is to not have truly unique ID's. Everyone should be a bar code...YEAH!...
Not at all. The whole origin of barcode names is from when unique names did/do exist, hence people had to come up with various IDs which would look the same, even though they were different.
They should use Alex. Thats the most common name currently with a whooping 2,674 accounts. Unfortunately I doubt that there is alot of them in GM/High Master at the moment.
EDIT: llllllllllll is the most common barcode with 555 accounts.
On August 21 2012 23:55 ROOTT1 wrote: love it, its the only way we can smurf. i wish everyone would have a barcode id on na =/
we could smurf by all taking the same id. the barcode id's are ugly as hell. i wish we had collectively agreed on a cooler id. but yeah at this point now it's been decided and it's the only way to smurf
On August 22 2012 03:00 Tyree wrote: I am fine with because it is only confined to ladder, which really does not matter
I would be raging hard if barcodes were in tournaments and LAN events, which they arent.
That wouldn't bother me at all, assuming the players were identified by the casters. It'd be the same as watching Idra play KR on Cale, or iNcontroL play EU on RedeemeR or any number of other players on any number of smurfs. The only way it'd be irritating is if, in an online tournament, the players didn't identify themselves to the admins, so the casters were completely in the dark. Otherwise, if CreatorPrime is playing in TSL, Chill's going to call him Creator, regardless of his account.
Recently the problem is that some drop hackers/map hackers are using barcodes just so that reporting them becomes impossible in game. Otherwise, I'm cool with it.
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: The reason players do this is to, of course, be anonymous, which means that: - People can't take those replays and study them for when they play that (no longer) anonymous opponent - People who may already know that opponent's style won't be able to use that knowledge
Some people seem to think this is ok, because of the strategic advantage. Others hate it, because they want to know who they are playing against/watching in a stream. (It obviously can get patched out if Blizzard actually thought it was a problem, but I have no idea if anyone there even knows about it ) Thoughts TL?
Pretty dumb reasons against barcode names.
I can't think of a logical reason a pro player would want to give away his playing tendencies and strategies to increase the chances of his opponents winning and increase the enjoyment of his opponents' stream viewers.
On August 21 2012 23:45 stew_ wrote: even if you ban the combination of i's and l's, people will use different letters to remain anonymous. i'm fine with it however.
But even if you have player "zuvgoagbsb", there will only be one of him. It's different than having 30 players that are IIIIII.
In before zuvgoagbsb becomes the new ||||||||||
I giggled a bit at the idea of a grandmaster league with 50 zuvgoagbsb's in it :D
For a while i thought QuanticFlo was the new |||||||||| guess it was wrong and |||||I||| (note the difference) is the new ||||||||. |-ception!
Topic: Couldn't care less, if i ever hit a ||||||||| in my trashy plat league i'll just all in the crap outa him and bm i guess :X
On September 04 2012 11:51 Forikorder wrote: how does 150 people all using a barcode name make it more original then picking a random word?
they could use someonething like GLHF or Anonymous but unless everyone uses that name its pointless because people will figure out who you are eventually by playstyle and rank "oh look theres one guy named Anonymous in the top 8 GM ladder and last time i played him he used X strat and other guys said he used same strat, and we know that Y palyer always uses X strat so now we know Anonymous = Y player" but with everyone using barcode then you cant tell which barcode is who so you dont know if the barcode your playing is the same one or different its impossible to figure out whos who without an insane amount of work
barcode is just the way most people chose to hide there name it could have been anonymous or something else but with barcode you dont actually know if the name is llllllllll or if its IIIIIIIIII or if its IIIIIlllll those 3 names were all spelled differently but you cant tell it apart at all
no no no! you don't understand the concept whatsoever.
I'm not saying barcode itself isn't useful. If you looked at my examples of GOOD choices, a barcode name was one of them.
The issue is that they aren't all using the same name — then there's a person with the name IIIIlllll and another with the name lllllllllllll, and another with the name IlIlIlIlIlIl, it's possible to distinguish them apart because while they look similar, they are not the same — a person could count the number of characters, and/or count the pattern/sequence of characters to an approximate (or precise) degree, hence identifying them better.
All people who use a barcode name should be using all Is or all ls in order to be anonymous. They should also try to keep the same number of characters so that the names are identical.
While the name "anonymous" would not be anonymous if you (or only a handful of people) used that name, my point was that if "Anonymous" was used instead of all these DISTINGUISHABLE barcode names (because they're not all the same), then people would have better privacy.
It's all about having the same name. There is absolutely no benefit (it's actually a hinderance) to have different names which just APPEAR to be similar. That is something that's only done in games which DO require unique names and CANNOT have duplicate names — THEN it's a valid thing to do.
On August 21 2012 23:55 ROOTT1 wrote: love it, its the only way we can smurf. i wish everyone would have a barcode id on na =/
we could smurf by all taking the same id. the barcode id's are ugly as hell. i wish we had collectively agreed on a cooler id. but yeah at this point now it's been decided and it's the only way to smurf
Man, you all should have been "Papa Smurf". That would have been rad.
If pro players do it I can totally see why, like if idra doesnt wanna get cheesed (sorry for the reference but I feel like its a good example) than it makes perfect sense.. but ive run into some diamond/low master league barcode names which strikes me as odd.. you rarely run into the same people if at all in the lower leagues. seems like a case of wanting to be like the pros or something idk
Blame Blizzard for not allowing ranked anonymous ladder. But i guess they're happy with this. Imagine the number of extra money they made from people needing to buy another account just to smurf.
It makes sense for progamers, but when you run into random 1k master players that aren't even that good but have a barcode id, you do wonder what's the point.
When I played WoW back in vanilla, my GM's name was similar and we just called him Barcode. I always wax nostalgic when I hit a barcode player in SC2 so I'm fine with it.
On September 04 2012 11:42 Xapti wrote: I don't understand why people bother with using combination i/l names. It simply makes the name more unique and easily identifiable than if they chose/had-chosen the most common name on battle.net (possibly of similar league as well, not that it changes much I would think).
You can have multiple accounts/users with the same name in SC2, so there's no reason to have different combinations of 'i's and 'l's. At the least they should lean towards a standardized name like "AAAAAAAAAAA", "GLHF", "Anonymous", "llllllllll", (or an existing one like "ESPORTS", "Zerg") or something else, which will offer optimum privacy.
Actually, to make things easier, maybe Blizzard should just add a privacy option for battle.net to to which if you enable it, your name becomes something like "Anonymous"
On September 04 2012 10:08 acrimoneyius wrote: Regardless of the anonymity, this is a great way to show Blizzard how stupid it is to not have truly unique ID's. Everyone should be a bar code...YEAH!...
Not at all. The whole origin of barcode names is from when unique names did/do exist, hence people had to come up with various IDs which would look the same, even though they were different.
how does 150 people all using a barcode name make it more original then picking a random word?
they could use someonething like GLHF or Anonymous but unless everyone uses that name its pointless because people will figure out who you are eventually by playstyle and rank "oh look theres one guy named Anonymous in the top 8 GM ladder and last time i played him he used X strat and other guys said he used same strat, and we know that Y palyer always uses X strat so now we know Anonymous = Y player" but with everyone using barcode then you cant tell which barcode is who so you dont know if the barcode your playing is the same one or different its impossible to figure out whos who without an insane amount of work
barcode is just the way most people chose to hide there name it could have been anonymous or something else but with barcode you dont actually know if the name is llllllllll or if its IIIIIIIIII or if its IIIIIlllll those 3 names were all spelled differently but you cant tell it apart at all
LLLLLLLLLL / iiiiiiiiii / iiiiiLLLLL . Its not better then any random name for your smurf, because someone who wants to know the combination knows it. Though its a bit more tricky in sc2. The real thing it achieved is that no random bothers anymore trying to figure out who is that smurf, if you remember back when every week there were expose the smurf threads, that was more annoying. Though i think seeing your favorite player stream and only fight against barcoders is less exciting as if you would know he fights against mvp or so. So i can understand anyone who is annoyed by it. On the other hand someone streaming and just telling you the opponents l combination and real nick would draw alot of viewers. (based on true research or trolling would probably be unimportant)
it's just childish...like a couple of other things around the so called pro-scene.
Honestly I think the real pros don't use it, as they need to be seen on streams etc. take the GM barcoders on EU server, they are mainly cheesers (i followed forGG/freakhill and each time he plays against one of those childish barcoders they try to cheese him...and normally get owned :-)
On September 05 2012 00:23 lukasdesign wrote: it's just childish...like a couple of other things around the so called pro-scene.
Honestly I think the real pros don't use it, as they need to be seen on streams etc. take the GM barcoders on EU server, they are mainly cheesers (i followed forGG/freakhill and each time he plays against one of those childish barcoders they try to cheese him...and normally get owned :-)
Every single top korean pro has a bardcode at this point. Given how important knowing each other builds and mindgames are in both gsl and osl it's the only way they can actually use ladder for practice without revealing builds to their potential next opponent. It's not childish and smurfing has been going on in pretty much every esport I ever followed, llllll is just the easiest way to stay anonymous as usually atleast pros figure out which smurf is which player.
i think it's retarded and pretentious when lowleague players do it. i sometimes get my hopes up, that im playing a decent player, who is smurfing but then it's just another trashy noob :/
Starcraft is a game about strategy and tactics. Usually, they work better when your opponent isn't expecting them. Some people make money playing this game, and it is a big deal for them if their strategy and tactics get shared all over the internet by some guy they met on ladder.
I don't mind barcode names at all. In fact, all of my accounts are barcoded. I didn't do it because I wanted to look like a pro, but because it looked super cool imo.
On August 21 2012 23:55 ROOTT1 wrote: love it, its the only way we can smurf. i wish everyone would have a barcode id on na =/
we could smurf by all taking the same id. the barcode id's are ugly as hell. i wish we had collectively agreed on a cooler id. but yeah at this point now it's been decided and it's the only way to smurf
Remember the time everyone wanted to use Esports to show their disdain for the new B.Net 2.0?
Heh.
Seriously, I hate the fact we can only have one i.d. and not really change it. Like I always say, players will always find a way around this shit. Not like we cannot study their hotkeys and small ticks.
This is the way we have to go about it to combat it.
I understand why pro's would use it when laddering, for everyone else though it brings nothing good. When watching streams and they play against only barcodes it takes a lot out of it when you don't know who they are playing. You definitely get more pumped up watching a pro stream when they play a game against some other pro player that you know is good.
Also, people who use barcodes below grand master just annoys me, I guess it shouldn't but I just get that who the fuck does this guy think he is kind of feeling.
I think its good actually, since battlenet 0.2 sucks so hard pros have to do this to remain anonymous. Bad players using barcode names dont bother me at all, their loss really, people will always copy the pros(Look at how many zergs refuse to GG because their idols dont. ), I guess it makes them feel cool.
On September 04 2012 11:51 Forikorder wrote: how does 150 people all using a barcode name make it more original then picking a random word?
they could use someonething like GLHF or Anonymous but unless everyone uses that name its pointless because people will figure out who you are eventually by playstyle and rank "oh look theres one guy named Anonymous in the top 8 GM ladder and last time i played him he used X strat and other guys said he used same strat, and we know that Y palyer always uses X strat so now we know Anonymous = Y player" but with everyone using barcode then you cant tell which barcode is who so you dont know if the barcode your playing is the same one or different its impossible to figure out whos who without an insane amount of work
barcode is just the way most people chose to hide there name it could have been anonymous or something else but with barcode you dont actually know if the name is llllllllll or if its IIIIIIIIII or if its IIIIIlllll those 3 names were all spelled differently but you cant tell it apart at all
no no no! you don't understand the concept whatsoever.
I'm not saying barcode itself isn't useful. If you looked at my examples of GOOD choices, a barcode name was one of them.
The issue is that they aren't all using the same name — then there's a person with the name IIIIlllll and another with the name lllllllllllll, and another with the name IlIlIlIlIlIl, it's possible to distinguish them apart because while they look similar, they are not the same — a person could count the number of characters, and/or count the pattern/sequence of characters to an approximate (or precise) degree, hence identifying them better.
All people who use a barcode name should be using all Is or all ls in order to be anonymous. They should also try to keep the same number of characters so that the names are identical.
While the name "anonymous" would not be anonymous if you (or only a handful of people) used that name, my point was that if "Anonymous" was used instead of all these DISTINGUISHABLE barcode names (because they're not all the same), then people would have better privacy.
It's all about having the same name. There is absolutely no benefit (it's actually a hinderance) to have different names which just APPEAR to be similar. That is something that's only done in games which DO require unique names and CANNOT have duplicate names — THEN it's a valid thing to do.
im pretty sure everyone using a barcode maxed out the possible amount letters in there name
In general I think it's palin supid that Blizzard allows identical names. One account One name...that's how I want it. Would force people to be creative at least.
All you guys are blaming blizzard and whatnot, but you need to recognize the true culprit in all this: the retard who decided making I and l the same character! Seriously, that's like making f=P . People deliberately causing incovenience and discrod just for the sake of an artistic or aesthetic appeal, with no regard to practicality, anger me. This angers me, really. What sort of asshole didn't like to cross their capitol 'i' 's? Is 'T' so ugly, does it take up too much room?! Then why not just add another horizontal stroke, and you'd get none of this intentional confusion. /FirstWorldProblemsOFF
What does sadden me is that I used to love hearing cool stories about playing a pro on ladder for the first time. Can't get those now, if they're using barcodes you can't know that you just played against a known player.
Also I really don't care about barcode names. If people want to hide who they are it's really not a big deal unless they're really obnoxious trolls or something.
Can't have anything against anonymity on the internet and no one should call someone pathetic, just because that someone uses barcodes. The reason doesn't matter, the skill level doesn't matter. Someone in Bronze has the same right to be anonymous, as any pro player. Moreover, I doubt a Bronze player hiding his identity with barcodes does it, so he can hide his epic builds or pretend to be a progamer.
There are so many fuckfaces playing this game raging, hating and whining and insulting others while playing on the ladder, I can totally understand if a normal player just doesn't want to have any of this and stays anonymous with a barcode id, so there isn't even the slightest chance of being forced to put up with people they don't want to. And we all know that that one guy who calls himself IMNestea is not the real Nestea, the creator of the universe, who is playing his 1000th ladder game in bronze on NA.
I think it's funny how people automatically hate on sub-masters players using barcodes. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Maybe the person just wants to ladder undisturbed. Maybe you don't want to know if you queue'd against the same person twice. I think we care too much. If someone wants to feel like a pro, then let them have their way. Whatever it takes to have fun.
I mean sure, barcodes are meant for hiding builds, but it's also pretty useful for hiding who you are, and while harder to play the same people in a lower league, I think the same thing applies regardless of what league you are in.
On September 11 2012 05:00 Kuni wrote: There are so many fuckfaces playing this game raging, hating and whining and insulting others while playing on the ladder, I can totally understand if a normal player just doesn't want to have any of this and stays anonymous with a barcode id, so there isn't even the slightest chance of being forced to put up with people they don't want to.
Actually because of this anonymity, usually barcode people are the worst mannered and most BM because they have no attachment to the name.
I don't know why people bother to get annoyed by it. For those lower leaguers that want to emulate the pros, it's just like wearing a professional football player's jersey when you go for a kick around in the park to live the dream for a few hours. Nothing to be ashamed of and perfectly normal behaviour.
On August 21 2012 23:50 eScaper-tsunami wrote: There's basically no solution to this problem. ID's are no longer unique, everybody can just choose the same ID and we'd go into the same problem again. Unless blizzard wants to remove duplicate ID now.... but it's probably too late and waaaaayyy too complicated.
I just wish they would at least give pros the chance to have unique IDs.
Can't stand them *personally*, but I completely also understand their legitimacy/necessity. I just don't like them because I want to know who I'm playing! So while I would *like* to know, doesn't mean I'm against it.
I once read a good idea about it and since then i like the barcode names and can't wait to change it. Basically, the idea is to loose conection between your ego and rank and just play the game - since nobody knows who the hell is IIIIIIIIIIII and you also can't really identify yourself as IIIIIIIIIIII you will eventually stop giving a shit and just play the game for fun. Pros obviously use it to hide their practice so its harder to opponents to prepare against them in tourneys... I don't see others reasons to use this, perhaps for shit and giggles ^_^...
"Why ?" You ask, and so my answer is this one : No I don't think I'm "1337 MLG pro lolol 1v1 anyday I'm too gosu lolol". I simply lacked inspiration for my 2nd account name ( and now main account ). That's it. No I don't think I'm pro, no I don't think that ppl with less than 200 apm all suck or w/e the fact that my name is a barcode seem to imply.
I was just bored. So please, people of the world, ( but mostly Low-mid masters on EU on the TL channel, like Dan. ) STOP GIVING ME SHIT FOR MY USERNAME ! What are you ? Fucking 12 years old ? Yeah that's right my name is a barcode and I'm in plat. And ? What now ? Jesus, 1 game out of 2 people are being annoying dicks, why does it bother you that my name is a barcode, you can still add me and shit. God I hate those people !
Well, first of all, you cant stop someone from making their screen name IlIlIl. That's the first reason why you arent allowed to care.
Secondly, pro players (yeah not all bar codes are pros) do whatever they must in order to win tournaments. It's as simple as that. You cannot go up to a pro and say "well I think you need to let the whole world see how you play vs every race", they will just laugh at you and walk away. The second reason you have no right to care.
Third, learning. If people want to watch a replay and learn a build, what difference does it make who the player is? If they are highly ranked on the ladder (providing they dont hack, and it is obvious if they do), then they must be doing something right to get there. If you watch the replay to learn, then you are watching it for the game, not the player. Third reason for it not making any sense to care.
In summary, it isnt against any Blizzard rules to use a barcode, Pro players want to succeed and will do what it takes, and the players actual screen name doesnt make any difference whether or not you can use their replay to learn from or not.
I think the whole Barcode thing is very cool and stylish.
And It´s also so intriguing! For example If I watch Kas stream his Laddering on EU and suddenly he´s in a game with a barcode protoss! And then wins!
Then the discussion starts "Was that nanwia?" "it might be Socke" etc etc! and the investigating starts :D Clue´s and tips is analyzed.
But Guys one final thing!
Have you ever thought of the thing that Barcode players don´t automatically start in GM? Take for example some top GM player right now,and imagine that he starts to play HotS,with a barcode Account!
He will NOT start in GM and will probably go trough plat/diamond something before eventually reaching GM. I think it´s ridiculous to start laughing at the player right away, You guys should not be so quick to judge someone.
i really think that people are really retarded, who arent in gm, I mean no one knows who they even are if they dont use a barcode, those people think they are good but they are actually horrible compared to pros
Its a Haven for hackers to use barcode names which makes it far harder to identify if they are hackers or if its some pro on a new smurf account. Blizzard needs a new naming policy to remove gibberish names from the ladder because its to simple for hackers to use this to hide there identity.
On February 03 2013 06:13 Genie1 wrote: Its a Haven for hackers to use barcode names which makes it far harder to identify if they are hackers or if its some pro on a new smurf account. Blizzard needs a new naming policy to remove gibberish names from the ladder because its to simple for hackers to use this to hide there identity.
I think more options should be added to the pole. I understand the need for it but it still annoys me just a little bit. A lot of people abuse it, INCLUDING pros. They just BM you and have no respect and flame etc etc, thats what annoys me about it. Not bronze league wannabees and no names who use it.
As a stream watcher, my time spent watching stream significantly decreased as the barcode rose up in popularity. Yes I do watch the streamer play and sometimes own but at the same time I have no clue if he owned a no-namer, a top foreigner or even a top korean. The fact I have no clue who he/she is going against just makes it not worth watching.
Interestingly, the concept of "barcode name" isn't actually useful. If everyone named their account "john" (spelled that way) it would have a similar effect. In fact, the fact that not all barcode names are the same (a mixture of l and | or 1 or whatever) means you're actually less anonymous since you might have a unique name. Optimally, every person trying to hide their identity would use the exact same handle.
I think it's a fantastic idea for pros, and completely poser/lame (but not a problem) if you're below master league (I always troll diamond players with barcode names about how pro they must be, usually freaking hilarious)
On August 21 2012 23:42 soon.Cloak wrote: So as I'm sure you've seen around, there are players with names completely made up of capital "i" 's and lowercase "L"'s, which results in a name looking like IIIIllll and llIIIIlll etc... The reason players do this is to, of course, be anonymous, which means that: - People can't take those replays and study them for when they play that (no longer) anonymous opponent - People who may already know that opponent's style won't be able to use that knowledge
Some people seem to think this is ok, because of the strategic advantage. Others hate it, because they want to know who they are playing against/watching in a stream. (It obviously can get patched out if Blizzard actually thought it was a problem, but I have no idea if anyone there even knows about it ) Thoughts TL?
P.S. The only thing I think everyone can agree on is that if you are not a pro player, there's no reason to have it. Diamonds and plats who want to remain anonymous "so that nobody steals their strats" bother me...
How the hell would Blizzard just "patch out" barcode names? I thought this had been discussed a thousand times already, what's obvious is we'd see a hundred QuanticFlo's or some other fairly commonly spammed name. And then what, Blizzard has the right to ban too many people from using the same name? Kinda sad that people don't spend time to actually think this through.
I don't have a problem with barcodes because they're pretty much essential to not giving away your build orders/replays for analysis by future opponents and there really isn't anything we can do about it anyway.
My favorite is when random low to mid masters scrubs use barcode names to try to appear more important than they are.
Good thing you bar-coded, bro. Otherwise your legions of competitors would be sure to analyze your poorly orchestrated, unoptimized timing and catch you with your pants down in your GSL debut.
On May 06 2013 11:56 IPA wrote: My favorite is when random low to mid masters scrubs use barcode names to try to appear more important than they are.
Good thing you bar-coded, bro. Otherwise your legions of competitors would be sure to analyze your poorly orchestrated, unoptimized timing and catch you with your pants down in your GSL debut.
It doesn't necessarily have to be construed as being a try hard, I'd imagine some people do it to help with ladder anxiety.
On May 06 2013 11:56 IPA wrote: My favorite is when random low to mid masters scrubs use barcode names to try to appear more important than they are.
Good thing you bar-coded, bro. Otherwise your legions of competitors would be sure to analyze your poorly orchestrated, unoptimized timing and catch you with your pants down in your GSL debut.
It doesn't necessarily have to be construed as being a try hard, I'd imagine some people do it to help with ladder anxiety.
I totally agree with Wind. People wanna play unranked, but at the same time they wanna know what league they can be in and how much points they can get if they actually played on ladder. Giving themselves that anonymous feel will help them overcome ladder anxiety, doesn't matter if they lose, their opponent won't know who they're smack talking to.
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