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On August 21 2012 23:03 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:56 kickinhead wrote:
I don't like that at all........
EG is doing exactly what MYM and SK-Gaming did und what ultimately made the WC3-Scene collapse: They buy all the good players for sums nearly no other team can compete with, therefore driving up the price the players want as their salary and destroying all teams (both financially and with their in-game results) that don't have the funding that EG does.
Also, I really began to like Millenium and I was looking forward to rooting for the Underdog (that still had chances to upset big teams) in the next big team-league. They did a great job helping good players to become top-tier (stephano, feast and, to maybe a lesser extent also Adelscott and Diestar) and they made some really great dicisions picking up players like ForGG, that are now just wrecking face and popular and promising players like Dragon.
Now, when their roster begins to look really strong, EG comes and picks up Stephano, knowing that they can easily make him an offer Millenium can't match and Stephano can't refuse.
It's also really sad, cuz we see how much Millenium tried to keep Stephano and how much they've invested in him.
Of course, it's pretty stupid to blame either EG or Stephano, both are doing what they think is best for them, but I'm just not too fond of the situation and I can already see problems with that arise in the future. If SC2 esports can't survive the strains of capitalism, then it can't survive. There is no point in coddling it if it's actually that weak.
Well then I guess the US needs to be put down. Poor thing. End its suffering.
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he cost too much for a Korean team
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On August 21 2012 23:00 wihlborg wrote:
The EG curse will strike again!
The EG curse is like the mystery of KT academy, except we don't know where the skill and talent is going. Perhaps EG has prepared a special protein shake for Stephano, filled with the talents and skills of their victims?
No matter, I think Stephano will continue to do well no matter where he goes.
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On August 21 2012 23:11 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:08 Yaki wrote:On August 21 2012 23:06 Doodsmack wrote:On August 21 2012 22:57 luke3920 wrote:On August 21 2012 22:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Lol @ the EG hate. Let's all ignore the evidence, especially with the two most recent pick-ups thorzain and suppy, that goes against the EG curse theory. Pretty sure Thorzain supports the theory. He hasn't posted any results, and went out in first round of TSL4 when defending his title... Guess it's easier to argue when you can just talk out of your ass and not put any effort into verifying your statements? You're forgetting a 1st place finish and a code A performance  . Which Code A performance ? He lost in Code A against arguably the worst known korean PvTer in the world. Oh you mean the guy who took the best player in the world to game 7 in his first code s finals? Let's hear you explain that away . And please compare advancing out of the first round of code A to other foreigner performances .
He meant JYP.
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On August 21 2012 23:08 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:58 Arkio wrote:
Food for thought for those people arguing about EG and their curse. So take it was you will, and all information is based off Liquidpedia.
Last Major Win:
-ThorZaIN: April 2012 - DreamHack EIZO Open: Stockholm. Hasn't placed higher then 17th since then. Signed with EG in May 2012
-DeMusliM: No wins, got to the round of 8 during IEM Sao Paulo. Signed With EG January 2011
-IdrA: October 2011 - IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou, hasn't been able to get passed the round of 16 since December. Signed with EG in September 2010.
-HuK: October 2011 - MLG Orlando, hasn't won anything since then. But placed 3rd in MLG Winter Arena and 4th in Winter Challenge. Failed to place higher then 19-24, since MLG WC. Signed with EG in August 2011.
-PuMa: December 2011 - NASL Season 2, only EG member to have success since his last victory with two 2nd place finishes at DreamHack Winter / IEM World Championship. Signed with EG in July 2011.
-Suppy: No major wins as of yet, lack of data on liquidpedia. Signed with EG in JUly 2012.
-JYP: No major wins, but placed 3rd at HomeStory Cup IV. Signed with EG in December 2011.
Rest of EG: No wins.
But Huk did prove at the Winter Arena that he is still one of the top non-Koreans around, beating all other non-Koreans who earned their place at the Arena because they placed high at their regional qualifiers. People shouldn't read too much into the "no 1st place finishes". In fact, 1st place finishes are extremely rare, now that Koreans great players are roaming on the international tournament scene.
holy shit that list is sooo incomplite. what the hell? I think you missed results for every player you named here
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On August 21 2012 23:12 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:11 AgentChaos wrote:
people talking about eg curse but what about liquid curse? Could you elaborate on that please ? Explain which player on liquid has gotten worse after they joined the team ?
jindro, haypro, tlo, ret
hero hasnt won anything in a long time
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On August 21 2012 22:57 luke3920 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Lol @ the EG hate. Let's all ignore the evidence, especially with the two most recent pick-ups thorzain and suppy, that goes against the EG curse theory. Pretty sure Thorzain supports the theory. He hasn't posted any results, and went out in first round of TSL4 when defending his title...
Rofl, he just won WCS Sweden..
Also thorzain has always been a kind of shaky player with ups and downs, before he won dreamhack he hadn't won anything for many months.
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On August 21 2012 23:08 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:58 Arkio wrote:
Food for thought for those people arguing about EG and their curse. So take it was you will, and all information is based off Liquidpedia.
Last Major Win:
-ThorZaIN: April 2012 - DreamHack EIZO Open: Stockholm. Hasn't placed higher then 17th since then. Signed with EG in May 2012
-DeMusliM: No wins, got to the round of 8 during IEM Sao Paulo. Signed With EG January 2011
-IdrA: October 2011 - IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou, hasn't been able to get passed the round of 16 since December. Signed with EG in September 2010.
-HuK: October 2011 - MLG Orlando, hasn't won anything since then. But placed 3rd in MLG Winter Arena and 4th in Winter Challenge. Failed to place higher then 19-24, since MLG WC. Signed with EG in August 2011.
-PuMa: December 2011 - NASL Season 2, only EG member to have success since his last victory with two 2nd place finishes at DreamHack Winter / IEM World Championship. Signed with EG in July 2011.
-Suppy: No major wins as of yet, lack of data on liquidpedia. Signed with EG in JUly 2012.
-JYP: No major wins, but placed 3rd at HomeStory Cup IV. Signed with EG in December 2011.
Rest of EG: No wins.
But Huk did prove at the Winter Arena that he is still one of the top non-Koreans around, beating all other non-Koreans who earned their place at the Arena because they placed high at their regional qualifiers. People shouldn't read too much into the "no 1st place finishes". In fact, 1st place finishes are extremely rare, now that Koreans great players are roaming on the international tournament scene.
I just put it out there for people, who wanted to argue finishing first, and to give a lil' insight into when they signed with EG. And to show that how they have done since signing with the team.
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Woohoo! :D
If true (we all know it is) then this is great news for both parties.
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On August 21 2012 23:11 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:08 Yaki wrote:On August 21 2012 23:06 Doodsmack wrote:On August 21 2012 22:57 luke3920 wrote:On August 21 2012 22:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Lol @ the EG hate. Let's all ignore the evidence, especially with the two most recent pick-ups thorzain and suppy, that goes against the EG curse theory. Pretty sure Thorzain supports the theory. He hasn't posted any results, and went out in first round of TSL4 when defending his title... Guess it's easier to argue when you can just talk out of your ass and not put any effort into verifying your statements? You're forgetting a 1st place finish and a code A performance . Which Code A performance ? He lost in Code A against arguably the worst known korean PvTer in the world. Oh you mean the guy who took the best player in the world to game 7 in his first code s finals? Let's hear you explain that away . And please compare advancing out of the first round of code A to other foreigner performances .
He's talking about JYP beating Thorzain in Code A, not Squirtle beating him in Code S groups
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On August 21 2012 22:58 Arkio wrote:
Food for thought for those people arguing about EG and their curse. So take it was you will, and all information is based off Liquidpedia.
Last Major Win:
-ThorZaIN: April 2012 - DreamHack EIZO Open: Stockholm. Hasn't placed higher then 17th since then. Signed with EG in May 2012
-DeMusliM: No wins, got to the round of 8 during IEM Sao Paulo. Signed With EG January 2011
-IdrA: October 2011 - IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou, hasn't been able to get passed the round of 16 since December. Signed with EG in September 2010.
-HuK: October 2011 - MLG Orlando, hasn't won anything since then. But placed 3rd in MLG Winter Arena and 4th in Winter Challenge. Failed to place higher then 19-24, since MLG WC. Signed with EG in August 2011.
-PuMa: December 2011 - NASL Season 2, only EG member to have success since his last victory with two 2nd place finishes at DreamHack Winter / IEM World Championship. Signed with EG in July 2011.
-Suppy: No major wins as of yet, lack of data on liquidpedia. Signed with EG in JUly 2012.
-JYP: No major wins, but placed 3rd at HomeStory Cup IV. Signed with EG in December 2011.
Rest of EG: No wins.
Where is Thorzain winning Wcs Sweden which is one of the hardest right after korea?
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So much for only taking one year off from college to win tournaments before going back.
And so much for winning tournaments once he joins EG 
(Just kidding, I'm sure he'll do fine)
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On August 21 2012 23:11 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:08 Yaki wrote:On August 21 2012 23:06 Doodsmack wrote:On August 21 2012 22:57 luke3920 wrote:On August 21 2012 22:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Lol @ the EG hate. Let's all ignore the evidence, especially with the two most recent pick-ups thorzain and suppy, that goes against the EG curse theory. Pretty sure Thorzain supports the theory. He hasn't posted any results, and went out in first round of TSL4 when defending his title... Guess it's easier to argue when you can just talk out of your ass and not put any effort into verifying your statements? You're forgetting a 1st place finish and a code A performance . Which Code A performance ? He lost in Code A against arguably the worst known korean PvTer in the world. Oh you mean the guy who took the best player in the world to game 7 in his first code s finals? Let's hear you explain that away . And please compare advancing out of the first round of code A to other foreigner performances .
Have you ever heard about JYP ? I guess no. Also FYI he didn't advance out of the first round of Code A as he finished 3rd in his Code S group. Get your facts right before acting all high and mighty.
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It's all speculation until it happens. EG would make the most sense though. Foreigner teams have a salary and EG has the sponsorships to afford just about anyone. GL wherever he goes though^^ I think he is one of those players that will play well with any team, regardless if people think there is a team curse(which is just stupid imo).
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On August 21 2012 22:59 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 22:56 kickinhead wrote:
I don't like that at all........
EG is doing exactly what MYM and SK-Gaming did und what ultimately made the WC3-Scene collapse: They buy all the good players for sums nearly no other team can compete with, therefore driving up the price the players want as their salary and destroying all teams (both financially and with their in-game results) that don't have the funding that EG does.
Also, I really began to like Millenium and I was looking forward to rooting for the Underdog (that still had chances to upset big teams) in the next big team-league. They did a great job helping good players to become top-tier (stephano, feast and, to maybe a lesser extent also Adelscott and Diestar) and they made some really great dicisions picking up players like ForGG, that are now just wrecking face and popular and promising players like Dragon.
Now, when their roster begins to look really strong, EG comes and picks up Stephano, knowing that they can easily make him an offer Millenium can't match and Stephano can't refuse.
It's also really sad, cuz we see how much Millenium tried to keep Stephano and how much they've invested in him.
Of course, it's pretty stupid to blame either EG or Stephano, both are doing what they think is best for them, but I'm just not too fond of the situation and I can already see problems with that arise in the future. you summarized the situation really well
I agree. With Stephano and ForGG on the team and the TSL partnership, Millenium was a really noteable team. Now it's ForGG and some lower-tier pros where most people even forget them being on that team.
Well, maybe my view is just too tainted by those dark clouds coming from the EG Lair.
Please let this just be TSLStephano...
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Funny (or facepalm-worthy?) how the EG curse joke became a thing where there are people on two sides arguing if there is one or not.
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On August 21 2012 23:13 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 21 2012 22:58 Arkio wrote:
Food for thought for those people arguing about EG and their curse. So take it was you will, and all information is based off Liquidpedia.
Last Major Win:
-ThorZaIN: April 2012 - DreamHack EIZO Open: Stockholm. Hasn't placed higher then 17th since then. Signed with EG in May 2012
-DeMusliM: No wins, got to the round of 8 during IEM Sao Paulo. Signed With EG January 2011
-IdrA: October 2011 - IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou, hasn't been able to get passed the round of 16 since December. Signed with EG in September 2010.
-HuK: October 2011 - MLG Orlando, hasn't won anything since then. But placed 3rd in MLG Winter Arena and 4th in Winter Challenge. Failed to place higher then 19-24, since MLG WC. Signed with EG in August 2011.
-PuMa: December 2011 - NASL Season 2, only EG member to have success since his last victory with two 2nd place finishes at DreamHack Winter / IEM World Championship. Signed with EG in July 2011.
-Suppy: No major wins as of yet, lack of data on liquidpedia. Signed with EG in JUly 2012.
-JYP: No major wins, but placed 3rd at HomeStory Cup IV. Signed with EG in December 2011.
Rest of EG: No wins.
But Huk did prove at the Winter Arena that he is still one of the top non-Koreans around, beating all other non-Koreans who earned their place at the Arena because they placed high at their regional qualifiers. People shouldn't read too much into the "no 1st place finishes". In fact, 1st place finishes are extremely rare, now that Koreans great players are roaming on the international tournament scene. holy shit that list is sooo incomplite. what the hell? I think you missed results for every player you named here
I listed only the latest top finishes and when they stopped performing well. That's all I did, yes they have more results, but it should be mentioned that this is only meant to be a quick look, not indepth.
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On August 21 2012 23:13 AgentChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:12 Yaki wrote:On August 21 2012 23:11 AgentChaos wrote:
people talking about eg curse but what about liquid curse? Could you elaborate on that please ? Explain which player on liquid has gotten worse after they joined the team ? jindro, haypro, tlo, ret hero hasnt won anything in a long time
Ret has won Assembly, Blizzard Invitational Europe on Liquid
...HerO just won Hot Import Nights 3 weeks ago...
TLO has had a wrist injury, Jinro has retired
Ô_o
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On August 21 2012 23:13 AgentChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 23:12 Yaki wrote:On August 21 2012 23:11 AgentChaos wrote:
people talking about eg curse but what about liquid curse? Could you elaborate on that please ? Explain which player on liquid has gotten worse after they joined the team ? jindro, haypro, tlo, ret hero hasnt won anything in a long time
HerO made it to the ro4 of Code S on his first run. Until someone in EG can accomplish that, please remain silent.
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Hmmm interesting, so EG.Stephano?
This kid loves money too much from what I've seen/heard lol
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