You've made it to the third round of the losers' bracket.
I have ProLeague tomorrow but I focused on today's games for my practices. I lost a lot during those practices but I'm glad right now cause my results came out good.
Your play style today seemed to be macro games that aimed for late game. What was the reason?
Leenock is a really good player so I felt like any attack I attempted during early game would be blocked. That's why I purposely aimed for late game and prepared that way.
Both games, your defending skills were great.
I was just doing things as I saw fit and they turned out well for me. I even found out Leenock's purpose late in to the game but I still blocked it luckily. I got thrown off track a lot more than I thought I would.
KeSPA players are running on 11 straight wins.
I watched yesterday's performances before coming here today. To be honest, I really wish one of us would lose already. If all of us keep winning, the burden's just going to keep getting worse. I keep telling myself that I cannot allow to lose so I worry a lot. Soulkey is going up next and I'm pretty sure he's going to be feeling a lot of burden and pressure. It feels like a ticking time bomb (laughs).
There seems to be a notion that you guys became good rather quickly. If there is a secret, what is it?
I really think it's because we used to be BW pro gamers. We have a ton of experience so it transferred over to SC2. It also feels like we practice more. Since it seemed like we were lessening the gap between our two organizations, it spurred us to prepare extensively and to practice a lot.
Doesn't the hybrid feature in ProLeague prevent you guys from practicing a lot though?
It's true that we don't really get to practice as much as we should because of BW practices also. But in that sort of situation, we just get rid of that feeling and don't feel pressured by the amount of practice we've got to do. Rather than that, we feel pressured by the fact that we have to manage two games at the same time.
BoxeR joined SKT T1 as a coach.
I've lived with BoxeR before. I was only a trainee back then but he still gave a lot of advice and helped me with my game, so I really felt something. He's a hard worker so it influenced a lot inside and outside.
Your next opponent is Jaedong. What do you think will happen?
I watched Jaedong's games and I got to say, he is good. So I think we're going to have some intense games. But, I currently lead the score in our head to head for SC2 so I think I'll be okay. I am worried that it is another PvZ though, since my build order were already revealed.
How likely do you think you'll be picked to be a Korean representative?
I haven't actually thought to myself that that's what I want to achieve. This tournament is mainly for increasing my skills and gaining experience.
Anything else you would like to say?
We play against CJ Entus tomorrow. I really hope we win. I hope my teammates all do their best. I got to use the SlayerS' gaming chair again today. I think my games went well because of that.
You made it to the third round of the losers' bracket rather difficultly. How do you feel?
Personally, as I play my matches I feel like my game is just not working out for me. I mean I won sure, but I don't feel very good about it. When you go up against KeSPA players, there's this huge burden that you never noticed was there before. That's why I think all the other GSL players lost, and also why I think I played so badly today. Nevertheless, I am very happy I stopped the KeSPA streak today.
In game one, you lost your sentries and immortals rather pathetically.
Those were units I couldn't afford to lose. But I had completely forgotten that I had moved out with them so I ended up losing them. I was doing something else when I noticed that all of a sudden, they had all died. After that, the game was not in my favor at all. If they had lived, I think I would've been okay.
You also struggled to win game two even though you had a good early game thanks to phoenixes.
I put on some pressure but like I said before, my game was not where it should have been. My hands were not responding the way I wanted them to. My multi-tasking did not go the way I wanted it to. Whenever I would initiate the attack, I would be the one getting flustered and feeling disturbed.
In the final game, you won because of air superiority micro.
I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.
What triggered you to build a mothership?
I saw he had no corruptors so I told myself that I had to grab the aerial advantage so I built a mothership. I had a lot of resources banked up but I had already hit 200/200. Thanks to that, I missed my timing to build a mothership. Because of that, the situation became potentially dangerous.
In America for IPL TAC, you were so close but ended up taking second place.
I think we lost because of me so I want to apologize for that. TaeJa performed phenomenally as our team's ace but we couldn't grab first place so it was a real bummer.
Why do you think GSL players fell to the KeSPA players 11 times?
Truth be told, we never anticipated that they would catch up this quickly. KeSPA players have a lot of practice experiences and grab the basics really well so I think that's why they are catching up so quickly. There's also the fact that KeSPA players are really good at what they do and the fact that GSL players feel a heavy burden when playing against them. In our case, we know that the possibility of losing to them is very likely, while on the other side, the fans think there's no way we could ever lose to them yet, so the pressure from that is really huge. I would like to take this moment to request that the fans start thinking like pro gamers and stop considering us to be this dominant force that should never lose.
Your next opponent is KeSPA's Reality. What do you think will happen?
I'm going to try not to think of him as a KeSPA opponent. I know there will be pressure but I just want to win regardless of the opponent and I want to play games that I can be satisfied with.
Anything else you would like to say?
I want to thank our sponsors The Little App Factory, Twitch, and RAZER. I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice. I also want to thank Jinro for coming with me and cheering me on today. I want the fans and my parents to know that I am always grateful for their support. Lastly, I want to tell all the GSL players who lost to the KeSPA players, to not let the losses affect them so much and to remain strong.
How do you feel about making it to the third round of the losers' bracket?
I only had two days to prepare for this upcoming game. I was pressed for time but I'm glad I still won. I think I won more easily than I should have because my opponent was nervous.
In game one, he blocked your proxy build attack and the situation was not in your favor.
I know my proxy rush failed, but I knew my opponent likes to delay his tech so I expanded myself to try to catch up to him. He went for a triple OC, but I told myself that if I can just catch up to his pace, I would be able to win.
What was the secret to your victory in game two?
I didn't get to do a lot of harassment but I think I won because my opponent made the wrong decisions. Even in the last moment where we tried to eliminate each other, I was in a situation where I knew I couldn't win. I won thought because my opponent threw away his tanks needlessly.
Recently, KeSPA players had a 11 win streak against GSL players. What do you think about that?
In my case, I'm not really concerned about it. A part of me wants to face the KeSPA players to see what it would be like but the other part of me doesn't want to because of the burden. The GSL players couldn't play their best because of the burden but if I ever get to face the KeSPA players, I'm going to try to play without any burden. If the opportunity ever comes, I'm going to play with the mindset of never allowing a loss and with the determination to show them that I am different than the others.
Your next opponent will be the winner between Miya vs Hack. Who do you want to face?
Truth be told, I don't really want to face Hack. I've beaten him before but I won because he got nervous. Not to mention I've been hearing that he's gotten better lately. Regarding Miya, I beat him easily in the GSTL and I've heard that he gets nervous very easily. I have map choice so I think playing against Miya would be the best.
You leave soon for the upcoming MLG.
I plan on leaving around the afternoon on the 22nd. If I win my match for the losers' bracket third round, I may have to just forfeit the rest of my WCS matches. That's why I don't know for sure if I'll get picked to be Korea's representative even if I win. If I can get some sort of extension, I won't forfeit as I leave for MLG. I want to face the KeSPA players but for now, my main focus seems to be foreign tournaments. I haven't been able to make notable results lately so for this MLG, I want to make a big splash. Instead of losing and getting eliminated, even if you do have to eventually forfeit, winning is everything to a professional gamer.
Anything else you would like to say?
I want to thank our sponsors, MSI, Raid Call, EIZO, and Steelseries. I also want to thank my fans, my family, and a special someone for always cheering for me. I also want to thank my coach and teammates for always working so hard. When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in the team house.
You advanced to the third round of the losers' bracket after a long macro game.
I originally thought that I would win easily with a 2-0 score. Recently I saw Hack streaming so I went online and did the match search at the same time that he was searching and through that, I got to play against him. That's why I thought I would win easily because of that, but as expected, a televised match was a whole different story. I feel like I couldn't even show half of what I had been preparing so I'm a little angry at myself right now.
All three games you played macro games. What was the reason for that?
I purposely went for macro games. I wanted to adapt to the televised matches atmosphere so I did that. I wanted to gain experiences in how to cope with various situations. However, I am capable of doing unorthodox builds and ending the game early.
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?
The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).
By.Sun and HerO have both stated that they won because of the SlayerS' gaming chair. Is there some sort of secret to that?
The slayers' gaming chair has an arm rest adjustment feature. Because of that, you can adjust it to your needs and feel less strain on your hands and move faster. There really is an effect there. But I think Sun's going to have to get used to chairs without arm rests. Foreign tournaments, whether on stage or off stage, have no arm rests on the chairs.
Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?
KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was on the verge of retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.
Your next opponent is aLive. What do you think will happen?
It's going to be hard. aLive's army control is off the chats. If I get nervous or end up tilting, I'm going to get hit from all sorts of places and just end up GGing. Even today, I saw all of Hack's medivacs but my hands just froze up. I only needed to send a certain amount of my army but I wounded up sending the whole thing. I needed to micro around and split my army efficiently but it didn't happen. I had to block the attack somehow so I hastily sent my army.
You are going to attend the Code A qualifiers. Are you confident?
The qualifiers are absolute hell so I can't really say anything about that. It's not strange for anyone if you get eliminated during the qualifiers. Neither players are nervous so the skill differences are like paper thin.
Anything else you would like to say?
I hope Puzzle listens to this well. Protoss is OP but Puzzle refuses to admit it. We even switched races and I won but he still refuses to admit it. I really hope Puzzle hurries up and admits that Protoss is OP.
On August 18 2012 00:04 Sayer wrote: i think 제공권 means "air superiority".
This is correct, but exact translation is "a commanding control of the air", which I guess people could say in english is just "air superiority" but it's not the same in Korean, as "air superiority" has a different wording/etc.
Source: MVP coach just translated it when I asked.
"I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. "
On August 18 2012 00:16 Asha` wrote: "I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. "
WTF >_>
That's a little weird? o-o
I know...definitely caught my eye also!
GSL players really feeling the pressure, as I thought. Hopefully they can begin to play more relaxed soon.
I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.
Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?
On August 18 2012 00:29 Condor Hero wrote: I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.
Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?
On August 18 2012 00:29 Condor Hero wrote: I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.
Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?
I think he streamed because I asked him on twitter. At least I like to think so, lol
Awesome that Sun(Rain) won and even though I love HerO I wanted soulkey to win, I wanted the kespa players to continue their awesome winning streak and get several of their players into top 10.
I hope aLive can continue with WCS! It stinks that such big tournaments interfere with each other, but it happens. I'm excited for the Sun vs Jaedong match!
aLive might be jinxing himself [I'll show them I'm different than the others.]
That was rather strange about HerO who "had" to stream. I'm glad those two and Miya made it through.
I really can understand this "burden" to be affecting a lot of players negatively, much like overconfidence. It's an annoying mental battle, yet it probably won't go away just because you wish it--training and experience, and a little humbling now and then. Even Flash couldn't close out BW on a high note.
Wow, Miya is like Ryung, trollin his teammate Puzzle. It's funny he's like, "yeah, I stream sniped Hack to prepare for the series" then it became way different in the booth.
[B]On August 17 2012 23:19 SeeKeR wrote: By.Sun and HerO have both stated that they won because of the SlayerS' gaming chair. Is there some sort of secret to that?
The slayers' gaming chair has an arm rest adjustment feature. Because of that, you can adjust it to your needs and feel less strain on your hand and move faster. There really is an effect there. But I think Sun's going to have to get used to chairs without arm rests. Foreign tournaments, whether on stage or off stage, have no arm rests on the chairs.
Effort manages to win while utilizing none of the chairs features.
Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?
KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was considering retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.
Jeez, poor Puzzle. I hope he doesn't retire, he's always been such a solid player too, but I think it's fair to assume his concerns are valid. The KeSPA players will eventually overtake the current GSL players and more people will find themselves probably out of a job in pro gaming. It's even weirder that Miya and Puzzle reversed races and Miya won with Toss. Guess he was right, Toss is op :D
Oh come on Hero! Don't blame yourself for what happened at IPL TAC 3! We still love you and I certainly won't think any less of you for losing to Kespa players
I loved how in game 3 hero just seemed to play like normal hero - be everywhere on the map harassing, and then push through to win. Too bad he almost fell apart at the end, but otherwise it was a fantastic game from him
Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?
KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was considering retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.
Jeez, poor Puzzle. I hope he doesn't retire, he's always been such a solid player too, but I think it's fair to assume his concerns are valid. The KeSPA players will eventually overtake the current GSL players and more people will find themselves probably out of a job in pro gaming. It's even weirder that Miya and Puzzle reversed races and Miya won with Toss. Guess he was right, Toss is op :D
Meanwhile "everyone" (subjective!) is going 'fuck yeah! the elephant is here!' saying kespa players winning can only be a good thing. If only there was a balance...
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?
The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).
Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?
The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).
Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.
Just an fyi their "take it easy" is probably instead of 12 hours of practice 10-11 hours. They play a lot more then any non kespa team except possibly a select few gsl players.
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.
Wait.. what ? lol
I kid you not... word for word, that's what it said -.-;;
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
Yup. This.
Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that
As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
Yup. This.
Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that
Hoping it was just a knee-jerk reaction to the loss, because Puzzle is a really talented, solid player not going for easy wins but building the mechanics for the long term instead. I think he is the type of pro gamer that will still perform after the influx of the Kespa players is complete. Oh, and thanks Seeker of course
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
The gap is already and has been for a long time pretty insurmountable. 2 years and not a single foreigner has ever made it through code A qualifiers. Sure, some foreigners will take series from Koreans. That's only to be expected with the nature of SC2 and with every foreign tournament flying 10+ Koreans out.
On August 18 2012 06:48 sinigang wrote: As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.
Surprisingly, no el*ph*nt talk yet That's good.
There are games of all those players on the net. Jangbi had a very interesting opening in PvZ and amazing blink micro, Flash looks very good, stork looks ok. And for some reason Bisu looks terrible.
At the moment Effort is still looking the best in my opinion.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
I don't really see what the influx of 30-50ish players will change for foreigners. They will just add to the already gigantic mass of Koreans who would do well in every foreign events if they had the opportunity to go. If the level of play was the defining thing people (and sponsors) looked for in the scene, foreigners would have probably gone extinct already.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting). Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting). Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.
Yeah that's only your opinion.
Because StarTwo is an awesome word because all the Koreans say it like that.
Star1, StarTwo in referencing to the games.
And Koreans are pretty darn good at the game thus making the term gosu.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.
Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.
It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.
Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.
It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.
That's of course true, but such a tourney (maybe NASL? the name's fitting at least and it has also a nice regular schedule, which would help the goal) would maybe give some legitimacy to foreign pros, and something to rally around for the faction of viewers that cares more for personality than actual quality of game play? Also it wouldn't mean they couldn't attend mixed tourneys, think of it as a reservation for an endangered species, a habitat where they can flourish
bw foreign players after elky faded quickly because of sheer dominance of korean players. i just dont want to see the same thing happening in sc2. i understand bw was korean market while sc2 is not only to korea. but if korean dominance continues and up to the level of how bw was, i think people might lose interest in sc2 if foreign pros shrink in number. there are many sc2 fans who wants to watch the best games possible but there are also huge number of people that couldn't care less about koreans and want to see the foreigners play good. i wish both markets see success because i dont want the same level of korean domiance in sc2 like bw.
but i also think my worries may be unfounded, the tlnet community is bigger and deeper than bw was at its peak and the available media outlet is much, much bigger.
HerO and JD practicing together? The sexiest practice games of all time. Seems like JD is training a lot with GSL players considering MC said he practiced with JD too.
Why is Alive even bothering playing in the WCS if he's just announced that he's defaulting to go to MLG. He was never in it to win. How many other players in this tournament are scheduled for MLG?
On August 18 2012 09:48 BathTubNZ wrote: Why is Alive even bothering playing in the WCS if he's just announced that he's defaulting to go to MLG. He was never in it to win. How many other players in this tournament are scheduled for MLG?
You dont need to win it to get a seed into wcs asia
By.Sun is quickly rising atop my favorite protoss list. His control and decision making against Leenock was about as good as it could have been. He really made Leenock look worse than he actually was.
On August 18 2012 10:00 AndAgain wrote: By.Sun is quickly rising atop my favorite protoss list. His control and decision making against Leenock was about as good as it could have been. He really made Leenock look worse than he actually was.
He looked incredibly solid. Was just super careful and calculated in when he expanded, how he defended, how he moved out and in his general control.
It's a bit of a funny world where By.Sun looks better than HerO and Soulkey looks better than Leenock - but it is also a bit magical to see the game get better just before your very eyes.
The HerO v Soulkey series looked pretty wild to me too. HerO is incredibly quirky, for better or for worse, in how he refuses play a standard Protoss game. But splitting up his entire army to harass with Colossi, with Zealots, with Stalkers. It kind of felt that in the last two games he would be better off by massing up and deathballing, but to be blunt I doubt that many people posting in live report threads have the game knowledge to truly say that it was the wrong decision. In the end, it did win him the games, but holy hell were they nailbiters. It might also be a reaction to not feeling comfortable with dealing with the BL, Corrupter and Infester death ball and experimenting with a different approach - in which case it worked out, but it only worked out by half an inch when coming from favorable looking situations twice.
Finally, I have to admit it made me sad to see how many people call out players when facing incredibly high pressure situations. In HerO's case, he even won but from the reactions of the live report, it almost made it seem like he was utterly awful. Still, fills my heart with joy that he won. Not because of Kespa this or elephant that, but because any more HerO sadness on a broadcast game would just make me cry.
Not being a racist by saying they all look alike, but does anyone else think that HerO looks like chang from community? Also HerO is a baller and I hope he keeps winning