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[Interview] WCS LR2 D2 Winners

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Last Edited: 2012-08-18 01:48:07
August 17 2012 14:19 GMT
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(P)SKTelecom T1_By.Sun

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You've made it to the third round of the losers' bracket.

I have ProLeague tomorrow but I focused on today's games for my practices. I lost a lot during those practices but I'm glad right now cause my results came out good.

Your play style today seemed to be macro games that aimed for late game. What was the reason?

Leenock is a really good player so I felt like any attack I attempted during early game would be blocked. That's why I purposely aimed for late game and prepared that way.

Both games, your defending skills were great.

I was just doing things as I saw fit and they turned out well for me. I even found out Leenock's purpose late in to the game but I still blocked it luckily. I got thrown off track a lot more than I thought I would.

KeSPA players are running on 11 straight wins.

I watched yesterday's performances before coming here today. To be honest, I really wish one of us would lose already. If all of us keep winning, the burden's just going to keep getting worse. I keep telling myself that I cannot allow to lose so I worry a lot. Soulkey is going up next and I'm pretty sure he's going to be feeling a lot of burden and pressure. It feels like a ticking time bomb (laughs).

There seems to be a notion that you guys became good rather quickly. If there is a secret, what is it?

I really think it's because we used to be BW pro gamers. We have a ton of experience so it transferred over to SC2. It also feels like we practice more. Since it seemed like we were lessening the gap between our two organizations, it spurred us to prepare extensively and to practice a lot.

Doesn't the hybrid feature in ProLeague prevent you guys from practicing a lot though?

It's true that we don't really get to practice as much as we should because of BW practices also. But in that sort of situation, we just get rid of that feeling and don't feel pressured by the amount of practice we've got to do. Rather than that, we feel pressured by the fact that we have to manage two games at the same time.

BoxeR joined SKT T1 as a coach.

I've lived with BoxeR before. I was only a trainee back then but he still gave a lot of advice and helped me with my game, so I really felt something. He's a hard worker so it influenced a lot inside and outside.

Your next opponent is Jaedong. What do you think will happen?

I watched Jaedong's games and I got to say, he is good. So I think we're going to have some intense games. But, I currently lead the score in our head to head for SC2 so I think I'll be okay. I am worried that it is another PvZ though, since my build order were already revealed.

How likely do you think you'll be picked to be a Korean representative?

I haven't actually thought to myself that that's what I want to achieve. This tournament is mainly for increasing my skills and gaining experience.

Anything else you would like to say?

We play against CJ Entus tomorrow. I really hope we win. I hope my teammates all do their best. I got to use the SlayerS' gaming chair again today. I think my games went well because of that.


(P)Liquid`HerO

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You made it to the third round of the losers' bracket rather difficultly. How do you feel?

Personally, as I play my matches I feel like my game is just not working out for me. I mean I won sure, but I don't feel very good about it. When you go up against KeSPA players, there's this huge burden that you never noticed was there before. That's why I think all the other GSL players lost, and also why I think I played so badly today. Nevertheless, I am very happy I stopped the KeSPA streak today.

In game one, you lost your sentries and immortals rather pathetically.

Those were units I couldn't afford to lose. But I had completely forgotten that I had moved out with them so I ended up losing them. I was doing something else when I noticed that all of a sudden, they had all died. After that, the game was not in my favor at all. If they had lived, I think I would've been okay.

You also struggled to win game two even though you had a good early game thanks to phoenixes.

I put on some pressure but like I said before, my game was not where it should have been. My hands were not responding the way I wanted them to. My multi-tasking did not go the way I wanted it to. Whenever I would initiate the attack, I would be the one getting flustered and feeling disturbed.

In the final game, you won because of air superiority micro.

I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.

What triggered you to build a mothership?

I saw he had no corruptors so I told myself that I had to grab the aerial advantage so I built a mothership. I had a lot of resources banked up but I had already hit 200/200. Thanks to that, I missed my timing to build a mothership. Because of that, the situation became potentially dangerous.

In America for IPL TAC, you were so close but ended up taking second place.

I think we lost because of me so I want to apologize for that. TaeJa performed phenomenally as our team's ace but we couldn't grab first place so it was a real bummer.

Why do you think GSL players fell to the KeSPA players 11 times?

Truth be told, we never anticipated that they would catch up this quickly. KeSPA players have a lot of practice experiences and grab the basics really well so I think that's why they are catching up so quickly. There's also the fact that KeSPA players are really good at what they do and the fact that GSL players feel a heavy burden when playing against them. In our case, we know that the possibility of losing to them is very likely, while on the other side, the fans think there's no way we could ever lose to them yet, so the pressure from that is really huge. I would like to take this moment to request that the fans start thinking like pro gamers and stop considering us to be this dominant force that should never lose.

Your next opponent is KeSPA's Reality. What do you think will happen?

I'm going to try not to think of him as a KeSPA opponent. I know there will be pressure but I just want to win regardless of the opponent and I want to play games that I can be satisfied with.

Anything else you would like to say?

I want to thank our sponsors The Little App Factory, Twitch, and RAZER. I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice. I also want to thank Jinro for coming with me and cheering me on today. I want the fans and my parents to know that I am always grateful for their support. Lastly, I want to tell all the GSL players who lost to the KeSPA players, to not let the losses affect them so much and to remain strong.


(T)Fnatic RaidCall_aLive

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How do you feel about making it to the third round of the losers' bracket?

I only had two days to prepare for this upcoming game. I was pressed for time but I'm glad I still won. I think I won more easily than I should have because my opponent was nervous.

In game one, he blocked your proxy build attack and the situation was not in your favor.

I know my proxy rush failed, but I knew my opponent likes to delay his tech so I expanded myself to try to catch up to him. He went for a triple OC, but I told myself that if I can just catch up to his pace, I would be able to win.

What was the secret to your victory in game two?

I didn't get to do a lot of harassment but I think I won because my opponent made the wrong decisions. Even in the last moment where we tried to eliminate each other, I was in a situation where I knew I couldn't win. I won thought because my opponent threw away his tanks needlessly.

Recently, KeSPA players had a 11 win streak against GSL players. What do you think about that?

In my case, I'm not really concerned about it. A part of me wants to face the KeSPA players to see what it would be like but the other part of me doesn't want to because of the burden. The GSL players couldn't play their best because of the burden but if I ever get to face the KeSPA players, I'm going to try to play without any burden. If the opportunity ever comes, I'm going to play with the mindset of never allowing a loss and with the determination to show them that I am different than the others.

Your next opponent will be the winner between Miya vs Hack. Who do you want to face?

Truth be told, I don't really want to face Hack. I've beaten him before but I won because he got nervous. Not to mention I've been hearing that he's gotten better lately. Regarding Miya, I beat him easily in the GSTL and I've heard that he gets nervous very easily. I have map choice so I think playing against Miya would be the best.

You leave soon for the upcoming MLG.

I plan on leaving around the afternoon on the 22nd. If I win my match for the losers' bracket third round, I may have to just forfeit the rest of my WCS matches. That's why I don't know for sure if I'll get picked to be Korea's representative even if I win. If I can get some sort of extension, I won't forfeit as I leave for MLG. I want to face the KeSPA players but for now, my main focus seems to be foreign tournaments. I haven't been able to make notable results lately so for this MLG, I want to make a big splash. Instead of losing and getting eliminated, even if you do have to eventually forfeit, winning is everything to a professional gamer.

Anything else you would like to say?

I want to thank our sponsors, MSI, Raid Call, EIZO, and Steelseries. I also want to thank my fans, my family, and a special someone for always cheering for me. I also want to thank my coach and teammates for always working so hard. When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in the team house.


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You advanced to the third round of the losers' bracket after a long macro game.

I originally thought that I would win easily with a 2-0 score. Recently I saw Hack streaming so I went online and did the match search at the same time that he was searching and through that, I got to play against him. That's why I thought I would win easily because of that, but as expected, a televised match was a whole different story. I feel like I couldn't even show half of what I had been preparing so I'm a little angry at myself right now.

All three games you played macro games. What was the reason for that?

I purposely went for macro games. I wanted to adapt to the televised matches atmosphere so I did that. I wanted to gain experiences in how to cope with various situations. However, I am capable of doing unorthodox builds and ending the game early.

BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?

The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).

By.Sun and HerO have both stated that they won because of the SlayerS' gaming chair. Is there some sort of secret to that?

The slayers' gaming chair has an arm rest adjustment feature. Because of that, you can adjust it to your needs and feel less strain on your hands and move faster. There really is an effect there. But I think Sun's going to have to get used to chairs without arm rests. Foreign tournaments, whether on stage or off stage, have no arm rests on the chairs.

Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?

KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was on the verge of retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.

Your next opponent is aLive. What do you think will happen?

It's going to be hard. aLive's army control is off the chats. If I get nervous or end up tilting, I'm going to get hit from all sorts of places and just end up GGing. Even today, I saw all of Hack's medivacs but my hands just froze up. I only needed to send a certain amount of my army but I wounded up sending the whole thing. I needed to micro around and split my army efficiently but it didn't happen. I had to block the attack somehow so I hastily sent my army.

You are going to attend the Code A qualifiers. Are you confident?

The qualifiers are absolute hell so I can't really say anything about that. It's not strange for anyone if you get eliminated during the qualifiers. Neither players are nervous so the skill differences are like paper thin.

Anything else you would like to say?

I hope Puzzle listens to this well. Protoss is OP but Puzzle refuses to admit it. We even switched races and I won but he still refuses to admit it. I really hope Puzzle hurries up and admits that Protoss is OP.
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SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
August 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#2
As always , thanks for the fast interviews Seeker
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
August 17 2012 14:26 GMT
#3
Hero's pic spooked me.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#4
wtf happened to hero's hair, I thought he was much better looking than that.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#5
On August 17 2012 23:26 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Hero's pic spooked me.


He looks really serious there! He's going to crush some nerds in the next round <3
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Canada865 Posts
August 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#6
sun looks super tired
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Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 17 2012 14:32 GMT
#7
Unimpressed HerO meme incoming?
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Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
August 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#8
gogogogog faster seeker !!!

joke i love you, take your time ( not too much ), i love reading the interviews
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
August 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#9
Thx! nice interviews! btw nice blondie hair
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
August 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#10
seeker <3
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#11
Hero looks very unimpressed
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GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
August 17 2012 14:54 GMT
#12
Whoa, Hero practiced with JD for his Soulkey match? Oz connection?
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 17 2012 14:58 GMT
#13
I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice.


He's in good (dong) hands!
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 17 2012 14:59 GMT
#14
HerO with some words of wisdom as always
BgSBendeR
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Canada170 Posts
August 17 2012 14:59 GMT
#15
damn everyone practising with Jaedong. No wonder he won.
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9172 Posts
August 17 2012 15:00 GMT
#16
I'd make a "pair of Dong" joke... but...

I will make it anyway!
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Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
August 17 2012 15:04 GMT
#17
i think 제공권 means "air superiority".
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
August 17 2012 15:09 GMT
#18
On August 18 2012 00:04 Sayer wrote:
i think 제공권 means "air superiority".



This is correct, but exact translation is "a commanding control of the air", which I guess people could say in english is just "air superiority" but it's not the same in Korean, as "air superiority" has a different wording/etc.

Source: MVP coach just translated it when I asked.
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Megaliskuu
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United States5123 Posts
August 17 2012 15:11 GMT
#19
" I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice."

Nice!
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Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 17 2012 15:14 GMT
#20
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win
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United Kingdom38174 Posts
August 17 2012 15:16 GMT
#21
"I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. "

WTF >_>

That's a little weird? o-o
frede
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
August 17 2012 15:17 GMT
#22
On August 18 2012 00:14 AgentChaos wrote:
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win


It's okay he'll just practice with Mvp and Flash.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 15:22:42
August 17 2012 15:22 GMT
#23
On August 18 2012 00:16 Asha` wrote:
"I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. "

WTF >_>

That's a little weird? o-o

I know...definitely caught my eye also!

GSL players really feeling the pressure, as I thought. Hopefully they can begin to play more relaxed soon.

FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
August 17 2012 15:26 GMT
#24
Hero plays with JD and DRG holy cow :D
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 17 2012 15:29 GMT
#25
I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.

Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 17 2012 15:32 GMT
#26
On August 18 2012 00:29 Condor Hero wrote:
I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.

Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?


Most foreign teams do i think.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 17 2012 15:35 GMT
#27
On August 18 2012 00:29 Condor Hero wrote:
I didn't get to practice a lot. I had to go to America for IPL TAC, and I also had to stream on TeamLiquid so I didn't get to prepare for my upcoming games. So because I only got to play a couple of games on Entombed Valley, I played my game as long as my hands would allow it. But I won because I made the right decisions.

Does TL have streaming clause in contract or something?


I think he streamed because I asked him on twitter. At least I like to think so, lol
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Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 15:35:57
August 17 2012 15:35 GMT
#28
On August 18 2012 00:17 frede wrote:
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On August 18 2012 00:14 AgentChaos wrote:
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win


It's okay he'll just practice with Mvp and Flash.


Lol, Hero seems pissed lately. I think it is for the better, releasing your anger calms your nerves quite a bit.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 17 2012 15:42 GMT
#29
Interesting to know that aLive will also forfeit if there is scheduling conflict.
Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
August 17 2012 15:44 GMT
#30
Thanks for the interviews as usual!

Awesome that Sun(Rain) won and even though I love HerO I wanted soulkey to win, I wanted the kespa players to continue their awesome winning streak and get several of their players into top 10.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 17 2012 15:48 GMT
#31
Amazing practise partners for HerO. Great interviews. aLive is really talkative in interviews, which i didn't know.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2012
115 Posts
August 17 2012 15:48 GMT
#32
HerO taking the blame for the silver at IPL TAC..... respect ^9000^
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 17 2012 15:50 GMT
#33
On August 18 2012 00:17 frede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 00:14 AgentChaos wrote:
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win


It's okay he'll just practice with Mvp and Flash.

Who needs to practice with either when Taeja is on the cards?
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
August 17 2012 15:55 GMT
#34
I hope aLive can continue with WCS! It stinks that such big tournaments interfere with each other, but it happens.
I'm excited for the Sun vs Jaedong match!
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
August 17 2012 15:57 GMT
#35
On August 18 2012 00:50 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 00:17 frede wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:14 AgentChaos wrote:
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win


It's okay he'll just practice with Mvp and Flash.

Who needs to practice with either when Taeja is on the cards?


Could be a scheduling conflict for all we know, Taeja too busy getting bitches. So Hero will have to settle with God and MVP.

"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 16:15:18
August 17 2012 16:03 GMT
#36
Oh, that guy beat Leenock?! That sucks.

aLive might be jinxing himself [I'll show them I'm different than the others.]

That was rather strange about HerO who "had" to stream. I'm glad those two and Miya made it through.

I really can understand this "burden" to be affecting a lot of players negatively, much like overconfidence. It's an annoying mental battle, yet it probably won't go away just because you wish it--training and experience, and a little humbling now and then. Even Flash couldn't close out BW on a high note.

Wow, Miya is like Ryung, trollin his teammate Puzzle. It's funny he's like, "yeah, I stream sniped Hack to prepare for the series" then it became way different in the booth.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 17 2012 16:03 GMT
#37
On August 18 2012 00:57 yoshi245 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 00:50 bo1b wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:17 frede wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:14 AgentChaos wrote:
reality vs hero next??
hero better brings some balls with him if he wants to win


It's okay he'll just practice with Mvp and Flash.

Who needs to practice with either when Taeja is on the cards?


Could be a scheduling conflict for all we know, Taeja too busy getting bitches. So Hero will have to settle with God and MVP.


That's tragic, having to settle for God... lmao
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 17 2012 16:07 GMT
#38
[B]On August 17 2012 23:19 SeeKeR wrote:
By.Sun and HerO have both stated that they won because of the SlayerS' gaming chair. Is there some sort of secret to that?

The slayers' gaming chair has an arm rest adjustment feature. Because of that, you can adjust it to your needs and feel less strain on your hand and move faster. There really is an effect there. But I think Sun's going to have to get used to chairs without arm rests. Foreign tournaments, whether on stage or off stage, have no arm rests on the chairs.


Effort manages to win while utilizing none of the chairs features.
TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
August 17 2012 16:11 GMT
#39
It was not heros Fault that tl lost gogo hero<3
''you got to yolo things up to win''
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
August 17 2012 16:21 GMT
#40

Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?

KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was considering retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.


Jeez, poor Puzzle. I hope he doesn't retire, he's always been such a solid player too, but I think it's fair to assume his concerns are valid. The KeSPA players will eventually overtake the current GSL players and more people will find themselves probably out of a job in pro gaming. It's even weirder that Miya and Puzzle reversed races and Miya won with Toss. Guess he was right, Toss is op :D
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
August 17 2012 16:32 GMT
#41
Dat jaedong
Jaedong :3
Alaiz
Profile Joined November 2011
France118 Posts
August 17 2012 16:57 GMT
#42
I'm so sad for Puzzle... Maybe YuGiHo feels even worse... Considering retiring is something huge...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11133 Posts
August 17 2012 16:59 GMT
#43
Drinking game:

Take a shot whenever you read the word "burden" in one of these interviews.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
August 17 2012 17:02 GMT
#44
Oh come on Hero! Don't blame yourself for what happened at IPL TAC 3! We still love you and I certainly won't think any less of you for losing to Kespa players

bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 17 2012 17:18 GMT
#45
I loved how in game 3 hero just seemed to play like normal hero - be everywhere on the map harassing, and then push through to win. Too bad he almost fell apart at the end, but otherwise it was a fantastic game from him
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 17 2012 17:19 GMT
#46
LOL Miya with the best interview!!! Awesome
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LikeOhMyGod
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada21 Posts
August 17 2012 17:28 GMT
#47
bwahahaha I'm liking Miya with that interview.
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
August 17 2012 17:35 GMT
#48
lol Miya awesome
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 18:08:59
August 17 2012 17:35 GMT
#49
On August 18 2012 01:21 yoshi245 wrote:
Show nested quote +

Why do you think GSL players suffered 11 straight losses to KeSPA players?

KeSPA players really practiced a lot. That doesn't mean we don't practice though. Even for me, I didn't watch any professional games and I hit Masters League in four days. That's how comfortable and easily adaptable the SC2 interface is. But for KeSPA players, they get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up. For me, I thought Flash would only need one week's worth of practice and then he would go on to win Code S (laughs). After his match against Reality, Puzzle told me that he was considering retiring as a pro gamer. That's how much of a burden and pressure GSL players feel. Because of that, I would appreciate it if people didn't ridicule the GSL players so much.


Jeez, poor Puzzle. I hope he doesn't retire, he's always been such a solid player too, but I think it's fair to assume his concerns are valid. The KeSPA players will eventually overtake the current GSL players and more people will find themselves probably out of a job in pro gaming. It's even weirder that Miya and Puzzle reversed races and Miya won with Toss. Guess he was right, Toss is op :D


Meanwhile "everyone" (subjective!) is going 'fuck yeah! the elephant is here!' saying kespa players winning can only be a good thing. If only there was a balance...
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
August 17 2012 17:38 GMT
#50
c'mon puzzle.. don't quit. Protoss op!
hi. big fan.
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
August 17 2012 17:41 GMT
#51
Oh yeah, by.sun advanced Miya so gosu, i like him!

I hope Puzzle don't retire, it must had been a heavy burden to carry
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wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
August 17 2012 17:50 GMT
#52
Lol Miya balance whining at puzzle ♥
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
August 17 2012 17:53 GMT
#53
miya stream sniping...hahaha
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
August 17 2012 18:08 GMT
#54
lol Miya such a boss but still sad soulkey lost
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 17 2012 18:12 GMT
#55
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.


Wait.. what ? lol
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Applesqt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States206 Posts
August 17 2012 18:21 GMT
#56
On August 17 2012 23:58 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice.


He's in good (dong) hands!

Jaedong's been practicing with a lot of the top players, e.g. MC when he had to play against DRG
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
August 17 2012 18:26 GMT
#57
On August 18 2012 03:21 Applesqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 23:58 mprs wrote:
I want to thank DRG and Jaedong for helping me with practice.


He's in good (dong) hands!

Jaedong's been practicing with a lot of the top players, e.g. MC when he had to play against DRG


I'm sure he played against MC's zerg, which apparently is godly
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
August 17 2012 18:30 GMT
#58
what Puzzle on verge of retiring?
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
August 17 2012 18:39 GMT
#59
Reality or HerO, Reality or HerO.....

REALITY, KHAN FIGHTING!!!!
Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
August 17 2012 18:41 GMT
#60
On August 18 2012 03:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.


Wait.. what ? lol


+ Show Spoiler +
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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
August 17 2012 19:00 GMT
#61
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?

The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).


Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 17 2012 19:01 GMT
#62
On August 18 2012 04:00 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?

The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).


Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.


Just an fyi their "take it easy" is probably instead of 12 hours of practice 10-11 hours. They play a lot more then any non kespa team except possibly a select few gsl players.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
August 17 2012 19:16 GMT
#63
On August 18 2012 03:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.


Wait.. what ? lol

I kid you not... word for word, that's what it said -.-;;
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#64
Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
August 17 2012 20:24 GMT
#65
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote:
Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...


A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 20:29:10
August 17 2012 20:29 GMT
#66
On August 18 2012 05:24 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote:
Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...

A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.

Yup. This.

Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#67
cheers seeker~
interesting to hear what they say, haha
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 17 2012 21:00 GMT
#68
SLAYERS GAMING CHAIRS
i knew they were up to something.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 21:01:48
August 17 2012 21:01 GMT
#69
On August 18 2012 05:50 opterown wrote:
cheers seeker~
interesting to hear what they say, haha

Cheers to you too
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sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 21:54:26
August 17 2012 21:48 GMT
#70
As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.

Surprisingly, no el*ph*nt talk yet That's good.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 17 2012 22:07 GMT
#71
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 22:15:13
August 17 2012 22:14 GMT
#72
On August 18 2012 05:29 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 05:24 MCXD wrote:
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote:
Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...

A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.

Yup. This.

Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that

Hoping it was just a knee-jerk reaction to the loss, because Puzzle is a really talented, solid player not going for easy wins but building the mechanics for the long term instead. I think he is the type of pro gamer that will still perform after the influx of the Kespa players is complete.
Oh, and thanks Seeker of course
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 17 2012 22:28 GMT
#73
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
August 17 2012 22:35 GMT
#74
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


The gap is already and has been for a long time pretty insurmountable. 2 years and not a single foreigner has ever made it through code A qualifiers. Sure, some foreigners will take series from Koreans. That's only to be expected with the nature of SC2 and with every foreign tournament flying 10+ Koreans out.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
August 17 2012 22:43 GMT
#75
On August 18 2012 06:48 sinigang wrote:
As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.

Surprisingly, no el*ph*nt talk yet That's good.


There are games of all those players on the net. Jangbi had a very interesting opening in PvZ and amazing blink micro, Flash looks very good, stork looks ok.
And for some reason Bisu looks terrible.

At the moment Effort is still looking the best in my opinion.


On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


I don't really see what the influx of 30-50ish players will change for foreigners. They will just add to the already gigantic mass of Koreans who would do well in every foreign events if they had the opportunity to go.
If the level of play was the defining thing people (and sponsors) looked for in the scene, foreigners would have probably gone extinct already.



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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 17 2012 22:43 GMT
#76
On August 18 2012 07:28 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)


Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.

Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 17 2012 22:52 GMT
#77
On August 18 2012 07:43 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:28 Ammanas wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)


Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.

Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.

I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting).
Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#78
On August 18 2012 07:52 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:43 Xiphos wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:28 Ammanas wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)


Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.

Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.

I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting).
Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.


Yeah that's only your opinion.

Because StarTwo is an awesome word because all the Koreans say it like that.

Star1, StarTwo in referencing to the games.

And Koreans are pretty darn good at the game thus making the term gosu.

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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 17 2012 23:08 GMT
#79
On August 18 2012 07:52 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:43 Xiphos wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:28 Ammanas wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)


Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.

Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.

I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.


Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.

It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 17 2012 23:16 GMT
#80
On August 18 2012 08:08 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 07:52 ACrow wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:43 Xiphos wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:28 Ammanas wrote:
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote:
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners.
the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.

i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.


On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3

(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)


Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.

Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.

I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.


Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.

It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.

That's of course true, but such a tourney (maybe NASL? the name's fitting at least and it has also a nice regular schedule, which would help the goal) would maybe give some legitimacy to foreign pros, and something to rally around for the faction of viewers that cares more for personality than actual quality of game play? Also it wouldn't mean they couldn't attend mixed tourneys, think of it as a reservation for an endangered species, a habitat where they can flourish
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 23:31:52
August 17 2012 23:26 GMT
#81
bw foreign players after elky faded quickly because of sheer dominance of korean players. i just dont want to see the same thing happening in sc2. i understand bw was korean market while sc2 is not only to korea. but if korean dominance continues and up to the level of how bw was, i think people might lose interest in sc2 if foreign pros shrink in number. there are many sc2 fans who wants to watch the best games possible but there are also huge number of people that couldn't care less about koreans and want to see the foreigners play good. i wish both markets see success because i dont want the same level of korean domiance in sc2 like bw.

but i also think my worries may be unfounded, the tlnet community is bigger and deeper than bw was at its peak and the available media outlet is much, much bigger.
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Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#82
HerO and JD practicing together? The sexiest practice games of all time. Seems like JD is training a lot with GSL players considering MC said he practiced with JD too.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 00:56:24
August 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#83
Why is Alive even bothering playing in the WCS if he's just announced that he's defaulting to go to MLG. He was never in it to win. How many other players in this tournament are scheduled for MLG?

So it seems Hero as well?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Championship#Detailed_Participants
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 18 2012 00:55 GMT
#84
On August 18 2012 09:48 BathTubNZ wrote:
Why is Alive even bothering playing in the WCS if he's just announced that he's defaulting to go to MLG. He was never in it to win. How many other players in this tournament are scheduled for MLG?


You dont need to win it to get a seed into wcs asia
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 18 2012 01:00 GMT
#85
By.Sun is quickly rising atop my favorite protoss list. His control and decision making against Leenock was about as good as it could have been. He really made Leenock look worse than he actually was.
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 18 2012 01:28 GMT
#86
On August 18 2012 10:00 AndAgain wrote:
By.Sun is quickly rising atop my favorite protoss list. His control and decision making against Leenock was about as good as it could have been. He really made Leenock look worse than he actually was.


He looked incredibly solid. Was just super careful and calculated in when he expanded, how he defended, how he moved out and in his general control.

It's a bit of a funny world where By.Sun looks better than HerO and Soulkey looks better than Leenock - but it is also a bit magical to see the game get better just before your very eyes.

The HerO v Soulkey series looked pretty wild to me too. HerO is incredibly quirky, for better or for worse, in how he refuses play a standard Protoss game. But splitting up his entire army to harass with Colossi, with Zealots, with Stalkers. It kind of felt that in the last two games he would be better off by massing up and deathballing, but to be blunt I doubt that many people posting in live report threads have the game knowledge to truly say that it was the wrong decision. In the end, it did win him the games, but holy hell were they nailbiters. It might also be a reaction to not feeling comfortable with dealing with the BL, Corrupter and Infester death ball and experimenting with a different approach - in which case it worked out, but it only worked out by half an inch when coming from favorable looking situations twice.

Finally, I have to admit it made me sad to see how many people call out players when facing incredibly high pressure situations. In HerO's case, he even won but from the reactions of the live report, it almost made it seem like he was utterly awful. Still, fills my heart with joy that he won. Not because of Kespa this or elephant that, but because any more HerO sadness on a broadcast game would just make me cry.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 18 2012 01:35 GMT
#87
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.
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Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
August 18 2012 01:42 GMT
#88
lol "ghost" in the fnatic team house
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
August 18 2012 03:14 GMT
#89
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.

So, who watches OSL and PL?
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Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 18 2012 03:22 GMT
#90
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.

It's been their profession for ~2 years for some of them.

Exactly the reason why GOM players should be ashamed.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 18 2012 03:32 GMT
#91
On August 18 2012 12:22 Dakure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.

It's been their profession for ~2 years for some of them.

Exactly the reason why GOM players should be ashamed.


I concur, that's like Flash saying "But there are hundreds of my replays out there and games for people to analyze." when he loses.


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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
August 18 2012 03:40 GMT
#92
Hero fighting! While the ideas behind those questions are fair, the way they're worded is unprofessional.
sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
August 18 2012 04:44 GMT
#93
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.


Really now? So they're just too lazy to watch PL? Those were televised...
Trudgen
Profile Joined July 2009
United States17 Posts
August 18 2012 05:10 GMT
#94
Not being a racist by saying they all look alike, but does anyone else think that HerO looks like chang from community? Also HerO is a baller and I hope he keeps winning
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mijellin
Profile Joined November 2008
China740 Posts
August 21 2012 23:02 GMT
#95
Hero what a classy interview :3 Quickly becoming one of my favorite players. Hero hwaiting!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 22 2012 00:58 GMT
#96
On August 18 2012 13:44 sinigang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.


Really now? So they're just too lazy to watch PL? Those were televised...

to be fair there are far fewer PL games than GSL games, weekend tourney, etc
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 22 2012 01:00 GMT
#97
Protoss is OP. we even switched races.

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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 22 2012 01:07 GMT
#98
On August 22 2012 09:58 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 13:44 sinigang wrote:
On August 18 2012 10:35 Ace1123 wrote:
"They get to watch our televised matches and replays so it's easier for them to catch up"
-Miya

Exactly the reason why Kespa beat Gom players.


Really now? So they're just too lazy to watch PL? Those were televised...

to be fair there are far fewer PL games than GSL games, weekend tourney, etc

And the strategies there are much less likely to be the same as used against the more seasoned players.
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