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On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT
Too much people are just too negative...
HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith.
Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time.
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On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time.
Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain.
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On August 20 2012 21:50 Zer atai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain.
Because of endless faith blizz keeps on fucking up, how can u even compare pre BW or first OSL to now? Times were totaly different, everyone was discovering starcraft and gaming. I can undrestand fuckups in Starcraft 1, its new game and things needs to be tested. I can even undrestand fuckups in SC2 beta, its sequel but new ppl try new ideas, they also approach casual gamers but for gods sake its more than 2 years since release now, amount of feedback they got from all the pro players and community is huge and they still keep on making same stupid mistakes, create same dumb type of units, "fix" things that do not need to be fixed and dont do anything about some other obvious stuff. How can u even have faith that after all the time they put into creating alpha, soon to be beta, that they will suddenly change things around.
edit: Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game but it doesnt rly look like improvement, more like simple addiotion to the game and we all expect more.
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On August 20 2012 22:20 alone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:50 Zer atai wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain. Because of endless faith blizz keeps on fucking up, how can u even compare pre BW or first OSL to now? Times were totaly different, everyone was discovering starcraft and gaming. I can undrestand fuckups in Starcraft 1, its new game and things needs to be tested. I can even undrestand fuckups in SC2 beta, its sequel but new ppl try new ideas, they also approach casual gamers but for gods sake its more than 2 years since release now, amount of feedback they got from all the pro players and community is huge and they still keep on making same stupid mistakes, create same dumb type of units, "fix" things that do not need to be fixed and dont do anything about some other obvious stuff. How can u even have faith that after all the time they put into creating alpha, soon to be beta, that they will suddenly change things around. edit: Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game but it doesnt rly look like improvement, more like simple addiotion to the game and we all expect more.
If I were allowed I would input a mr. wonka meme pic.
So tell me now how you are the best programmer ever, and make zero errors.
On topic I like the ideals behind these new units but...they fall very short of the mark. the only one im looking forward to is mothership/oracle stuff
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Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game
i see wut you did thar :p
But I still have faith in Blizzard. The fact is, SC2 even as it currently is, is a great game. I'm reasonably confident that units like the Viper will reduce some of the power of the terrible terrible damage units and open up new ways to play.
Not to forget that Blizzard's business model is based on making games with great longevity so you'll still be playing their previous title when a new one comes out.
sc1, wc3, d2 all had problems at launch and for a good while afterwards and were all patched for years and years after release.
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On August 20 2012 22:56 Zrana wrote:i see wut you did thar :p But I still have faith in Blizzard. The fact is, SC2 even as it currently is, is a great game. I'm reasonably confident that units like the Viper will reduce some of the power of the terrible terrible damage units and open up new ways to play. Not to forget that Blizzard's business model is based on making games with great longevity so you'll still be playing their previous title when a new one comes out. sc1, wc3, d2 all had problems at launch and for a good while afterwards and were all patched for years and years after release.
StarCraft 1 reached its final form in 2001, three years after the original games release, and only a few balance patches later. StarCraft 2 is approaching that time, and has already exceeded SC1's number of balance patches by a lot.
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On August 20 2012 22:54 Sylverin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:20 alone wrote:On August 20 2012 21:50 Zer atai wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain. Because of endless faith blizz keeps on fucking up, how can u even compare pre BW or first OSL to now? Times were totaly different, everyone was discovering starcraft and gaming. I can undrestand fuckups in Starcraft 1, its new game and things needs to be tested. I can even undrestand fuckups in SC2 beta, its sequel but new ppl try new ideas, they also approach casual gamers but for gods sake its more than 2 years since release now, amount of feedback they got from all the pro players and community is huge and they still keep on making same stupid mistakes, create same dumb type of units, "fix" things that do not need to be fixed and dont do anything about some other obvious stuff. How can u even have faith that after all the time they put into creating alpha, soon to be beta, that they will suddenly change things around. edit: Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game but it doesnt rly look like improvement, more like simple addiotion to the game and we all expect more. If I were allowed I would input a mr. wonka meme pic. So tell me now how you are the best programmer ever, and make zero errors. On topic I like the ideals behind these new units but...they fall very short of the mark. the only one im looking forward to is mothership/oracle stuff
How is me beeing programmer related to anyting I wrote there? I never said anything about bugs or other programming errors.
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On August 21 2012 00:30 alone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 22:54 Sylverin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:20 alone wrote:On August 20 2012 21:50 Zer atai wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain. Because of endless faith blizz keeps on fucking up, how can u even compare pre BW or first OSL to now? Times were totaly different, everyone was discovering starcraft and gaming. I can undrestand fuckups in Starcraft 1, its new game and things needs to be tested. I can even undrestand fuckups in SC2 beta, its sequel but new ppl try new ideas, they also approach casual gamers but for gods sake its more than 2 years since release now, amount of feedback they got from all the pro players and community is huge and they still keep on making same stupid mistakes, create same dumb type of units, "fix" things that do not need to be fixed and dont do anything about some other obvious stuff. How can u even have faith that after all the time they put into creating alpha, soon to be beta, that they will suddenly change things around. edit: Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game but it doesnt rly look like improvement, more like simple addiotion to the game and we all expect more. If I were allowed I would input a mr. wonka meme pic. So tell me now how you are the best programmer ever, and make zero errors. On topic I like the ideals behind these new units but...they fall very short of the mark. the only one im looking forward to is mothership/oracle stuff How is me beeing programmer related to anyting I wrote there? I never said anything about bugs or other programming errors.
Yeah, unfortunatey the community is dissatisfied with the substance and not the implementation. Blizzard has been pretty insulated concerning their vision and the desires of the players.
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On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time.
Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever.
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On August 21 2012 01:35 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever.
Lol, it is already popular.
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On August 20 2012 18:31 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 20:53 Amui wrote:
Also the Tempest looks really, really underwhelming. They sat there shooting for like a minute straight and killed like 2 tanks. A carrier could solo 2-3 vikings with relative ease taking fairly minimal damage. A tempest dies in the same scenario without killing a thing. Tempests aren't meant to be DPS monsters. Their purpose is to break siege lines / contains. If you have 1~2 Tempests with your army, you can force your opponent to actually come out and fight you, because if he turtles, he'll slowly lose units to the Tempests. With range 22 on the Tempest and "only" range 13 on the Siege Tank, you can protect the Tempest from Vikings with Stalkers. I don't see building more than a few Tempests ever being viable since their DPS is too low for that. However, against a Terran with tanks, the Tempest could be viable in forcing the Terran to either withdraw or push forward, either way going into a less favourable position. Of course, we'll have to wait and see for actual pro games when the beta comes out. These Battle Reports are just meant to show all the new units and mechanics and the games they cast will be selected using that criterium.
Protoss don't really need to break Seige lines. They need cost effective ways of controlling the air. Right now it's all gimmicks. Give Terran all the BS gimmicks; we'll take the super cost-effective high stat units.
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Although I admit I am a little underwhelmed by what I have seen of HOTS so far, to say that SC2 does not have big prize pools and is dying, is just not true. If anything the market is over-saturated with various tournaments and viewership seems to be fairly steady.
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Been playing that hots custom map a bit, and protoss feels so weird. Atleast when you want to try out the new units... Imagine a PvT. You build an oracle, which gets shut down easily by vikings which the terran is making anyway for your colossus. Even if he doesnt for some reason, how many oracles do you make? I guess like 2.. then youre stargate is useless after that, as voids and phoenixes suck in straight up battles. The oracle of course doesnt change this one bit with its lame, no skill, least entertaining harass skill ive ever seen "AND HE... ENTOMBS IT! AND SEE HOW FAST MVP REACTS TO KILL THOSE EMTOMBS WITH IS SVC OMGGGGGG" Pretty much the opposite of reaver harass.
What else is opposite of a reaver? Tempest. Again, gets destroyed by vikings. And again is just a lame unit. You dont micro it, you just put it there and it shoots... And shoots.. and shoots.. Till you kill a marine. There is no excitement what so ever in the tempest or oracle. Also, the dps is so low (guess thats to be expected with 22 range) that its useless in battles. Let's hope things will change in the beta (read: completely redesign oracle+tempest)
/ragemode off
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how can anyone say SC2 is dead / dying with a straight face? the biggest broodwar company just put on that it's players are now making the jump to SC2, theres 4-5 major tournaments every single month bringing in hundreds of thousands of spectators, more and more new players appearing in pro tournaments every day?
I think HotS looks pretty good in BETA - and as Day9 (i think?) said on the daily recently... Blizzard always pull through in the end. Broodwar was far from perfect when it came out.
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Entombed seems a really lame harassment option. All it does is provide a easy method of delaying harvesting. Against a player like me I'm sure it'll be really effective but against a pro it seems like it'll be pretty ineffective. When a player gets harassed they often have to run away their workers which is pretty much the same as enbombed except it can also kill the workers.
TB also did his own TvP of the HoTS custom map which is pretty entertaining.
link
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On August 21 2012 01:35 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever.
I played a game of brood war last weekend and played it on my TV for some friends to watch, most of them hadn't ever seen brood war before. It was unanimously called the worst looking game ever, and none could believe that people still played/enjoyed it. If you want to talk about games where only the dedicated fans are left, that's what BW became years ago. Meanwhile, SC2 is enjoying tournaments with regular $50k+ prize pools played on multiple continents with millions of players and fans alike. To talk shit like you do is pure butt hurt denialism.
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On August 21 2012 00:51 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 00:30 alone wrote:On August 20 2012 22:54 Sylverin wrote:On August 20 2012 22:20 alone wrote:On August 20 2012 21:50 Zer atai wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Totally agree. How many people were watching the first years of the OSL? A lot less then the people watching GSL, that's for certain. Because of endless faith blizz keeps on fucking up, how can u even compare pre BW or first OSL to now? Times were totaly different, everyone was discovering starcraft and gaming. I can undrestand fuckups in Starcraft 1, its new game and things needs to be tested. I can even undrestand fuckups in SC2 beta, its sequel but new ppl try new ideas, they also approach casual gamers but for gods sake its more than 2 years since release now, amount of feedback they got from all the pro players and community is huge and they still keep on making same stupid mistakes, create same dumb type of units, "fix" things that do not need to be fixed and dont do anything about some other obvious stuff. How can u even have faith that after all the time they put into creating alpha, soon to be beta, that they will suddenly change things around. edit: Im not saying that hots will be terrible terrible game but it doesnt rly look like improvement, more like simple addiotion to the game and we all expect more. If I were allowed I would input a mr. wonka meme pic. So tell me now how you are the best programmer ever, and make zero errors. On topic I like the ideals behind these new units but...they fall very short of the mark. the only one im looking forward to is mothership/oracle stuff How is me beeing programmer related to anyting I wrote there? I never said anything about bugs or other programming errors. Yeah, unfortunatey the community is dissatisfied with the substance and not the implementation. Blizzard has been pretty insulated concerning their vision and the desires of the players.
Well there aren't very many communities in the gaming world that think their input is more valuable than the game designers'. The starcraft community has a certain sense of entitlement that says, "Yeah, you're making the game, and without you none of what i'm experiencing would be possible, and you are the sole reason that starcraft 2, and therefore the competitive starcraft 2 scene that I am a part of exists, but I hate you blizzard. You aren't listening to my ideas about how the game should work. You are a terrible company. Your product will spell the end of competitive gaming and you are to blame."
I'm not saying we shouldn't complain about stupid things in the game that can be made better and more enjoyable for us... But really, we definitely need to remember that it's a game that we have logged countless hours into playing and watching. If you haven't enjoyed those hours then you're stupid for consuming the product. If you have, then bear that in mind when you are making really harsh accusations :|
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On August 21 2012 05:31 Yoduh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 01:35 bokeevboke wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever. I played a game of brood war last weekend and played it on my TV for some friends to watch, most of them hadn't ever seen brood war before. It was unanimously called the worst looking game ever, and none could believe that people still played/enjoyed it. If you want to talk about games where only the dedicated fans are left, that's what BW became years ago. Meanwhile, SC2 is enjoying tournaments with regular $50k+ prize pools played on multiple continents with millions of players and fans alike. To talk shit like you do is pure butt hurt denialism.
Most SC2 games boil down to 200 max armies 1-A'ing into each other. The reason most (young) people prefer it over BW is, as you stated yourself, purely based on "looks". As much as I enjoyed SC2 over the past years I can't help but think that DK and DB fucked up somewhere in the design of SC2.....
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On August 21 2012 05:31 Yoduh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 01:35 bokeevboke wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever. I played a game of brood war last weekend and played it on my TV for some friends to watch, most of them hadn't ever seen brood war before. It was unanimously called the worst looking game ever, and none could believe that people still played/enjoyed it. If you want to talk about games where only the dedicated fans are left, that's what BW became years ago. Meanwhile, SC2 is enjoying tournaments with regular $50k+ prize pools played on multiple continents with millions of players and fans alike. To talk shit like you do is pure butt hurt denialism.
yeah ok, but BW isn't just graphic you know? actually is all but graphic, tell your friends to try it maybe, instead of judging it by looking at the graphic and the limitation.
all people that prefer SC2 over BW prefer it because has shiny graphic and no limitation, that's it, and this is a fact, no players that played seriously BW, can ever prefer SC2 to it
but now for me HOTS seems a better game than wol, there is still hope .....
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On August 21 2012 05:48 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 05:31 Yoduh wrote:On August 21 2012 01:35 bokeevboke wrote:On August 20 2012 21:45 USvBleakill wrote:On August 20 2012 21:22 bokeevboke wrote:
Lets be honest, SC2 is going nowhere. There is no growing scene. No big prize pool, no viewership. A dream which never came to reality is over. Only dedicated fans are left. Sadly we are spectating the death of yet another great game.
Legendary starcraft will perish in the pockets of stakeholders and memories of gamers TT Too much people are just too negative... HoTs still alpha, look at WoL at this time it was horrible pre beta. Give Blizzard some time and faith. Did anyone played SC1 Beta? or pre BW? I´m almost sure they were horrible at this time. Its not about who watched what. SC2 is a crap compared to BW in terms of entertainment. No amount investment will make it popular. Well, there is 1 in 100 who loves and adores starcraft 2 but we still need other 99 to make it esports or whatever. I played a game of brood war last weekend and played it on my TV for some friends to watch, most of them hadn't ever seen brood war before. It was unanimously called the worst looking game ever, and none could believe that people still played/enjoyed it. If you want to talk about games where only the dedicated fans are left, that's what BW became years ago. Meanwhile, SC2 is enjoying tournaments with regular $50k+ prize pools played on multiple continents with millions of players and fans alike. To talk shit like you do is pure butt hurt denialism. Most SC2 games boil down to 200 max armies 1-A'ing into each other. The reason most (young) people prefer it over BW is, as you stated yourself, purely based on "looks". As much as I enjoyed SC2 over the past years I can't help but think that DK and DB fucked up somewhere in the design of SC2..... Posts like this induces rage and facepalm. Yes, i played bw. No, i don't prefer sc2 over bw.
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