On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Youre mishmashing comparisons of korean and international scenes so it doesnt actually make a consistent point..
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
So you're just assuming that their entire marketing departement has no idea of what they are doing? Im not claiming to know anything about economics but at least I trust people who are educated on the subject to do something close to the right thing. They believe that Sc2 will be a more profitable market for them, therefore they are sponsoring an sc2 league. And that's the end of it. I never stated to know for sure that it would profit them more than sponsoring a BW league, i only stated possible reasons for them to sponsor sc2 instead.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
Disagree there. They still have plenty to gain, e.g. from VODs. GSL, for one, has a much greater VOD viewership than live viewership. Plus you're the one who brought up stocks in the first place.
On August 05 2012 20:36 phanto wrote:
the world's most prestigious e-Sports league
with BW gone, is this really the case anymore?
yes :D
I said it's not like stocks because people kept referring it to as an investment like buying bonds or something.
The only reason GSL has more VOD views is because international viewers can't wake up at 5am to watch it live. Since this isn't an international company (at least it it's being presented specifically as Auction rather than ebay) international views don't really mean anything.
Yeah the SC2 osl has the potential to be a disappointment for korean local sponsors. When you look at the PC bang data SC2 is really low compared to the popular games so the fundamentals arent really there for a large local scene.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
The links you presented actually assume that the opposition has facts, which he doesn't :/
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let me get one thing straight. The scene is really no bigger than what it was from before when we include the TV ratings. As the other guy put it a few quotes ago the only difference now is that it's more spread out.
Yet right before he says that he says the scene is more colossal than what the scene was. A funny contradiction. The only big change is the fact that the foreign community is more of an active participant in it now.
We all gather on the different B.Net servers now instead of several places so the numbers are easy to see and the modest unique viewers isn't that difficult to calculate.
As for another quote in this pile of crap, since when was WoW arena more popular? BW moved on and outlived that crap for several reasons.
Oh yeah another thing, bucko. BW was very accessible. Why the fuck you think it did so well in the first place? Derrrrrrr.
Seriously people need to stop talking as if they know what they're talking about. You're just rambling and firing blanks.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
The links you presented actually assume that the opposition has facts, which he doesn't :/
On August 05 2012 21:01 lololol wrote: Stop arguing guys.
People that have watched a SC2 OSL = 0 People that have watched a BW OSL > 0
Therefore no sponsor in their right mind would ever sponsor an SC2 OSL. SEE? MY NUMBERS AREN'T EVEN MADE UP!
IT'S AN OBVIOUS CONSPIRACY! TYPICAL ILLUMINATI!
I lol'd so hard.
Seriously though, it's great news that they've a sponsor lined up for the kick off tournament. Hopefully it'll be a success, and this is the start of a prosperous run for the SC2 OSL in Korea
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
LOL You should stop playing SC and go to school bro very poor post
Yes .. ? Why not ? , after BW gone im sure Kespa , blizzard and all sponsors gonna make sc2 huge in KR. Its biznes..they wanna cash .. so Sc2 must by big.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
EPT
