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This thread is for bugs in the latest patch.

This thread is not for:

- Balance discussing.
- Debating whether Blizzard is the devil or not.
- Discussing how Blizzard is ruining e-Sports.
- etc
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
August 02 2012 20:17 GMT
#281
On August 03 2012 05:16 jacksonlee wrote:
I can't place into a league (was in a league last season) - I played two ladder games and I'm still unranked, didn't get any points, nor placed in a league.

You should link to your BNET profile or give us your name + char code to check it out.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
August 02 2012 20:20 GMT
#282
On August 03 2012 04:59 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 19:48 dani` wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:33 Kaitokid wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:19 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
On August 02 2012 18:53 Kaitokid wrote:
HOW IS THE FUCKING 1-6 SEC LAG SPIKE NOT LISTED AS FIRST IN OP
are people not noticing it?....

I noticed ALMOST everyone has a lagspike (checked matchhistories of many players) but the thing is some have 6 sec, others just 1 sec..

1. Please don't yell at me. I can read lower-case letters just as well as upper-case, they just don't annoy me as much.
2. The order of bugs in the OP is not according to their priority, it's just the order I added them.
3. As far as I know, this is not a new bug with 1.5. I always check the clock when my first Probe completes, and it's almost never before 20 seconds, when it should be at 17.



dude.... you can watch at the ingame timer as soon as the game starts, the ingame timer doesn't start at 0:00 as pre patch but ALREADY at 0:01, 0:06 etc you don't even notice the lag... you probably just get out later out of the loading screen. pre patch my ladderopponents+me always started first worker 0:01, never later than 0:02. after 1.5 my first worker ALWAYS starts 0:04 no matter how fast I am, my ingame timer is already at 0:03 when I see my nexus.... check it first of all before trying to sound smart please. -_-

I checked out several matchhistories of pro players aswell and I noticed that elfi for example builds his first probe always after 0:04 since the new patch....



Could you ever start building a Probe at 00:00, or would it just list as 00:01? Regardless, in one of my 1.5 games me and my opponent started workers at 00:02 and 00:01, respectively. Seems fine?

[image loading]

I don't think it affects everybody.

Regarding Elfi, I saw at least one game in his history where it was 00:03, and also in his games from last week (i.e., nog patch 1.5) he usually starts the Probe at 00:04. Perhaps he's just a bit slow on that >_>


I don't care if it was fine 1 game, I don't denie that. fact is that I notice a slight lag at the start of each game (feels like less than a second) and I can see that my timer STARTS at 0:03 and I cant do anything about it... I told other players about it and they noticed it aswell but their timer starts at different times. and its undenieable that you can see in matchhistories of certain players that they start their first worker very late after 1.5.

and I am sure 100% it wasn't like that pre patch for me...

I have exactly same problem
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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 20:24:11
August 02 2012 20:21 GMT
#283
On August 03 2012 02:12 Poopi wrote:
I don't even want to play sc2 again right now because of this patch T;T.
Is it possible to get the same graphics as before patch after patching the game?
Will the modified hotkeys stay the same?
I really wanna play sc2 but I'm worried with this weird graphic patch, how is it even possible for such a company to have that many bugs after a patch? (I know there are a lot of modifications but still, bugs testers are there for a reason -;-)


1. yes (alternateLowTextures=1 set it to 0 in variables file )
2. yes ( only graphics change , everything else will stay the same that way you set in "old" sc2 )
3. Not everyone got bugs after patch
Why you are worried ? Dont understand that..
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2595 Posts
August 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#284
On August 03 2012 04:58 dicedicerevolution wrote:
This hasn't been posted in the OP yet:

Replay folder is now organized so that folders and replay files have the same exact icon regardless (they show what they really are if you hover over them). This actually makes it pretty difficult to navigate replays requiring more than a glance in many cases.

Added, thank you.
The frumious Bandersnatch
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2595 Posts
August 02 2012 20:35 GMT
#285
On August 03 2012 05:20 Veriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 04:59 Kaitokid wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:48 dani` wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:33 Kaitokid wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:19 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
On August 02 2012 18:53 Kaitokid wrote:
HOW IS THE FUCKING 1-6 SEC LAG SPIKE NOT LISTED AS FIRST IN OP
are people not noticing it?....

I noticed ALMOST everyone has a lagspike (checked matchhistories of many players) but the thing is some have 6 sec, others just 1 sec..

1. Please don't yell at me. I can read lower-case letters just as well as upper-case, they just don't annoy me as much.
2. The order of bugs in the OP is not according to their priority, it's just the order I added them.
3. As far as I know, this is not a new bug with 1.5. I always check the clock when my first Probe completes, and it's almost never before 20 seconds, when it should be at 17.



dude.... you can watch at the ingame timer as soon as the game starts, the ingame timer doesn't start at 0:00 as pre patch but ALREADY at 0:01, 0:06 etc you don't even notice the lag... you probably just get out later out of the loading screen. pre patch my ladderopponents+me always started first worker 0:01, never later than 0:02. after 1.5 my first worker ALWAYS starts 0:04 no matter how fast I am, my ingame timer is already at 0:03 when I see my nexus.... check it first of all before trying to sound smart please. -_-

I checked out several matchhistories of pro players aswell and I noticed that elfi for example builds his first probe always after 0:04 since the new patch....



Could you ever start building a Probe at 00:00, or would it just list as 00:01? Regardless, in one of my 1.5 games me and my opponent started workers at 00:02 and 00:01, respectively. Seems fine?

[image loading]

I don't think it affects everybody.

Regarding Elfi, I saw at least one game in his history where it was 00:03, and also in his games from last week (i.e., nog patch 1.5) he usually starts the Probe at 00:04. Perhaps he's just a bit slow on that >_>


I don't care if it was fine 1 game, I don't denie that. fact is that I notice a slight lag at the start of each game (feels like less than a second) and I can see that my timer STARTS at 0:03 and I cant do anything about it... I told other players about it and they noticed it aswell but their timer starts at different times. and its undenieable that you can see in matchhistories of certain players that they start their first worker very late after 1.5.

and I am sure 100% it wasn't like that pre patch for me...

I have exactly same problem

Okay, I've seen another person or two mention this in other threads, too, that's good enough for me. Added.
The frumious Bandersnatch
DrahtMaul
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany74 Posts
August 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#286
Loading replays played on earlier patches made my sc2 crash one or two times so far. Not every single time though. Anyone expirienced something similar?
TTDZurahn
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada6 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 23:09:26
August 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#287
Just to add to the existing accounts, I've been having not necessarily framerate issues, but lag-spike issues throughout games. So I'll be running at 50FPS then have it tank to under 10, for example. These spikes occur both in Windows where I normally have over 100FPS and in Linux where it stays in the 40-50 range. There was someone on the BNet forums suggesting that it was happening on the first time something new was build that hadn't been built since starting the SCII client would cause this. For example, the first barracks would cause it, but not the second, the first time you see an enemy stalker, but not the second time, etc. but haven't seen any supporting evidence for it as yet, all I know is it's unplayable like this.

EDIT: To add, I usually play on medium with ultra textures. I've tried ultra, medium with ultra textures, medium with medium textures and low, and it happens in all cases.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 04:19:17
August 02 2012 23:29 GMT
#288
Not sure if it's a problem in game, but when I load and create maps in the editor the cliffs are all screwed up, with parts of the low-ground terrain extending up in weird triangular ridges that cover the actual cliff texture and just look bad.

Edit: Never mind, just a changed setting which can be fixed by toggling show hidden terrain cells off.
vibeo gane,
BioTech
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 23:46:11
August 02 2012 23:44 GMT
#289
BUG (this has been present since day 1 of SC2)

If you exit a replay and then are offered to join a party (eg for 2v2) SC2 will freeze for 10-20 seconds and then the offer appears. This doesnt happen to just me, all my friends report the same thing.

If after exiting a replay you click Single Player and then receive the offer there is no delay.
I actually played the original WarCraft - Orcs v Humans back in 1995!
Quotenfrau
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany2 Posts
August 02 2012 23:44 GMT
#290
- Battle.net is showing the wrong league
Lots of people are having the issue that their league is being shown as one higher or one lower than their actual league. This seems to be purely cosmetic, though. It's possible this is due to ranks getting switched around between 1v1, 2v2, etc.

Seems to be fixed, at least on EU.

It's not a bug, more a kind of a bugfix, i think, but also it's not mentioned in the patch notes: as a terran u can now build scvs in all of your CCs, OCs and PFs without having to tab through the different types, when u've ctrled them together.
More and more I have the feeling that we are getting nowhere [...] and that is a pleasure (John Cage)
Caliber
Profile Joined August 2010
United States598 Posts
August 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#291
I think I am loading the game + starting a few seconds late and I am getting pretty bad spikes once a minute that last for 1-2 seconds. Never had these issues before 1.5 and I am pretty lost on what to do...
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 00:33:25
August 03 2012 00:29 GMT
#292
Is anyone else having massive trouble finding maps with the search? Adding a + doesn't help. All I want to do is test a build in SALT

Nvm found it in Arcade, wish it was easier to go around arcade and just find it as a custom game thoough.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
August 03 2012 00:58 GMT
#293
b4 patch never played ohana (down voted). 2day played it twice.
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
August 03 2012 01:13 GMT
#294
yikes gotta step it up blizzard! maybe they lack funding
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
August 03 2012 01:45 GMT
#295
On August 03 2012 09:58 Powster wrote:
b4 patch never played ohana (down voted). 2day played it twice.

It significantly reduces the chance of getting the map, but it's not a 0%.
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hawliet
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Mexico112 Posts
August 03 2012 01:56 GMT
#296
i'm the only one who can't not play on the KR Server? I mean i have two SC servers NA and KR since the new patch i'm not able to play in KR its says that i need a permission language packed from blizzard...
If you think you are good enough, you should presume what you want.- Naniwa
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 03:06:52
August 03 2012 03:05 GMT
#297
another bug is that i didn't get points after a ladder win.
fyi dudes it says 1v1 in the ladder board, so that is the proof that it's not a custom
and it was 6 minutes ago, it says win, but no extra points...

[image loading]
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
August 03 2012 03:10 GMT
#298
On August 03 2012 10:56 hawliet wrote:
i'm the only one who can't not play on the KR Server? I mean i have two SC servers NA and KR since the new patch i'm not able to play in KR its says that i need a permission language packed from blizzard...


Multiple installations are not officially supported so keep that in mind, what has happened in patch 1.5 is that the game writes out which localization files it's expecting in your user-wide starcraft 2 variables.txt located in the My Documents > Starcraft 2 folder in the form of:

localeidassets=enUS
localeiddata=enUS

If you want to play on KR, you'd need to change that to one of these depending on which license you have:

Korea:
koKR


Taiwan:
zhTW

As mentioned over here:

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/starcraft-ii-language-issues

Good luck! They're hopefully adding proper region switching in time for HotS like the Diablo 3 client has, but until then you'll have to mess around with that user-wide setting each time you want to swap servers, having 2 clients is no longer sufficient.
wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
August 03 2012 03:23 GMT
#299
On August 03 2012 05:35 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 05:20 Veriol wrote:
On August 03 2012 04:59 Kaitokid wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:48 dani` wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:33 Kaitokid wrote:
On August 02 2012 19:19 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
On August 02 2012 18:53 Kaitokid wrote:
HOW IS THE FUCKING 1-6 SEC LAG SPIKE NOT LISTED AS FIRST IN OP
are people not noticing it?....

I noticed ALMOST everyone has a lagspike (checked matchhistories of many players) but the thing is some have 6 sec, others just 1 sec..

1. Please don't yell at me. I can read lower-case letters just as well as upper-case, they just don't annoy me as much.
2. The order of bugs in the OP is not according to their priority, it's just the order I added them.
3. As far as I know, this is not a new bug with 1.5. I always check the clock when my first Probe completes, and it's almost never before 20 seconds, when it should be at 17.



dude.... you can watch at the ingame timer as soon as the game starts, the ingame timer doesn't start at 0:00 as pre patch but ALREADY at 0:01, 0:06 etc you don't even notice the lag... you probably just get out later out of the loading screen. pre patch my ladderopponents+me always started first worker 0:01, never later than 0:02. after 1.5 my first worker ALWAYS starts 0:04 no matter how fast I am, my ingame timer is already at 0:03 when I see my nexus.... check it first of all before trying to sound smart please. -_-

I checked out several matchhistories of pro players aswell and I noticed that elfi for example builds his first probe always after 0:04 since the new patch....



Could you ever start building a Probe at 00:00, or would it just list as 00:01? Regardless, in one of my 1.5 games me and my opponent started workers at 00:02 and 00:01, respectively. Seems fine?

[image loading]

I don't think it affects everybody.

Regarding Elfi, I saw at least one game in his history where it was 00:03, and also in his games from last week (i.e., nog patch 1.5) he usually starts the Probe at 00:04. Perhaps he's just a bit slow on that >_>


I don't care if it was fine 1 game, I don't denie that. fact is that I notice a slight lag at the start of each game (feels like less than a second) and I can see that my timer STARTS at 0:03 and I cant do anything about it... I told other players about it and they noticed it aswell but their timer starts at different times. and its undenieable that you can see in matchhistories of certain players that they start their first worker very late after 1.5.

and I am sure 100% it wasn't like that pre patch for me...

I have exactly same problem

Okay, I've seen another person or two mention this in other threads, too, that's good enough for me. Added.


You already added it, but, yea, lag spikes only when game starts. However, I got patch 1.5 on Tuesday? I think? It was OK the first day I got it, but the second day, it started the lag spikes.
hawliet
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Mexico112 Posts
August 03 2012 03:38 GMT
#300
On August 03 2012 12:10 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 10:56 hawliet wrote:
i'm the only one who can't not play on the KR Server? I mean i have two SC servers NA and KR since the new patch i'm not able to play in KR its says that i need a permission language packed from blizzard...


Multiple installations are not officially supported so keep that in mind, what has happened in patch 1.5 is that the game writes out which localization files it's expecting in your user-wide starcraft 2 variables.txt located in the My Documents > Starcraft 2 folder in the form of:

localeidassets=enUS
localeiddata=enUS

If you want to play on KR, you'd need to change that to one of these depending on which license you have:

Korea:
koKR


Taiwan:
zhTW

As mentioned over here:

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/starcraft-ii-language-issues

Good luck! They're hopefully adding proper region switching in time for HotS like the Diablo 3 client has, but until then you'll have to mess around with that user-wide setting each time you want to swap servers, having 2 clients is no longer sufficient.



OMG it worked!!! thank you so much :DDDD
If you think you are good enough, you should presume what you want.- Naniwa
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