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Disclaimer: This thread isn't intended to shatter anybody's preferences as it is not necessary or wanted, if you simply cannot reply without trolling on either macs or PC then please do not post at all.
Also, this thread shouldn't bring up anything about Macs or PCs outside of gaming or even better, Starcraft itself.
Now that that's over on to the real thread:
So I am a Mac user and I have been playing SC2 since its release and SC1 for about 5 years. I am a Plat Zerg and I've always wondered if there were any pros who use macs to play SC2. I don't know any who have and i feel like it would make for a very odd experience if they were at a tournament and had to play on a PC.
I understand that PCs are better to game with due primarily to the fact that they can be customized and macs cannot though the mac i use can run on all ultra(even though i don't) so it isn't necessarily a graphics point as much as a gameplay.
When i played sc1 i played on a PC and when starcraft 2 came out I started using the mac for the better graphics and less lag because the mac was newer. The only big difference is the Command vsControl keys to make hotkeys. Though people have preference one isn't better than the other so that wouldn't be a reason that they don't use macs.
Any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! And in case anyone forgot....
Disclaimer: This thread isn't intended to shatter anybody's preferences as it is not necessary or wanted, if you simply cannot reply without trolling on either macs or PC then please do not post at all.
Also, this thread shouldn't bring up anything about Macs or PCs outside of gaming or even better, Starcraft itself.
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I dont think there are any pros that are using macs, just because most teams have sponsorships with hardware companys that do not apply to mac. And some peripherals arent available for mac either, for example some mechanic keyboards I think.
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Yeah, i think a big issue for the pros with using macs is tournaments not being able to accommodate them properly. Like you mentioned, if a pro normally played on mac and then played pc on tourneys i feel that would just totally throw them off - or at least cause one more thing to be uncomfortable with in high pressure situations. Can't vouch much for the hotkey, but the tourneys are just the immediate problem i see.
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I'm not a pro, but I do use a Mac... on bootcamp running windows 7. (For gaming)
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Not a Pro but like the guy above, I use a Mac w/ bootcamp but it's giving me SO MUCH STUPID HEADACHES LATELY I WANT TO GO SMASH THIS STUPID THING TO PIECES
but no, I'm gonna go off and buy the new retina MBP instead cause Apple has me in their hands
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I'm not a pro, but I use a mac, and game on the mac side.
my SC2 actually runs better on the mac os than on bootcamp'd windows
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Yeah, the tournaments is a big thing and the sponsorships too however on my mac i can plug in a PC keyboard so long as i reroute some keys which is somewhat impractical but at least the team could still keep the sponsorship.
and le Boucheron why use bootcamp?
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With mouse acceleration curves being different on Windows and OSX, any pro that uses OSX at home would be severely disadvantaged when they have to play at offline events which are exclusively played on PCs.
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I've been playing on macs since release and I've had nothing but performance issues. Always lags and freezes randomly.. All setttings have been set on lowest, except for effects (for seeing obs). paid 2 k for this mac and it can't even run sc2 well. I think Pros don't play on macs because for half the Cost a PC. Will literally double the performance of a mac.
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Not a pro either (in the sense you mean) but I use a Mac and home and a PC at work for SC2. I use the same keyboard and mouse in both locations and to be honest there is no difference that I have been able to discern.
I run everything at low settings and use custom hotkeys setup the same way on both systems.
Home system uses SSD so it is faster to boot and load.
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The problem is the built-in mouse acceleration. Besides, it's so straightforward to install Windows that I wonder why anyone would bother.
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Any pros use Linux? Why does it matter?
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I don't think any pros use macs, again due to sponsorship, or just ease of gaming on pc's. I used my macbook pro for a little while when I had some issues with my pc. I had to run low res, but otherwise SC2 ran just fine. I also was able to hook up my blackwidow and my deathadder with no problems at all. There is even a fix for mouse acceleration, so now I have mine turned off. So from a functionality standpoint, you can play just fine on a mac
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@ellachandra Yeah i have played before at friends houses or on school comps and have found little difference in the mouse or keyboard the only thing as i said before is the command vs control keys
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On August 01 2012 02:01 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm not a pro, but I use a mac, and game on the mac side.
my SC2 actually runs better on the mac os than on bootcamp'd windows
Well that's normal, while windows runs on macs it is not made for it. Given the same hardware and since Blizzard has released a mac version of sc2, the native OS should run it better.
Edit : On topic, it would mean that you would need an iMac or Mac Pro to have a desktop solution, and those things are incredibely expensive. You would need peripherals compatible with OSX, some are, some aren't, all are for windows.
Why use a more expensive and less compatible machine?
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On August 01 2012 02:02 thechasemenna wrote:
Yeah, the tournaments is a big thing and the sponsorships too however on my mac i can plug in a PC keyboard so long as i reroute some keys which is somewhat impractical but at least the team could still keep the sponsorship.
and le Boucheron why use bootcamp?
I have a '10 15" macbook pro i5
The performance from open GL is pretty bad on the mac side for SC2. It runs great on medium in windows. That's why. I'd rather use OSX for everything but you know, such is life for a Mac guy.
My buddy has a nice new iMac and runs SC2 in OSX and works great.
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On August 01 2012 02:01 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm not a pro, but I use a mac, and game on the mac side.
my SC2 actually runs better on the mac os than on bootcamp'd windows
Just wondering if anyone can comfirm if that is that actually true (ie measurably faster frame rates in the same situation) or if its the usual marketing usage of better in relation to Apple's products?
It's entirely possible as sc2's design has some unexpected weirdnesses with different configs and since OSX the kernals not Apples own work so it's not super bad anymore.
Might have imagined this but wasn't scarlet playing off a mactop for a while?
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haha, hilarious xD.
But it has some sort of truth in it. And no please dont take this as MAC-User Bashing. I think if you dont aim for Grandmaster or any further competitive play mac is absolutley fine.
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I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys.
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I run sc2 in OSX and i always had no problem i have the newest iMac
and lol@ day9 haahah but the thing is he is acting like we brethren don't use mouses(mice?) i use a mouse and my apm isn't 50 haha
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PC's can be much more powerful than Macs so it stands to reason Pro's would want the game running as smooth as possible with the best hardware
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On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote:
I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys.
dude i know well you can reroute your keyboard in system prefs so that f1f2f3f4 etc act as normal but even then i don't use it all i use is the idle builder which i made "~" key
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Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter).
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Been playing SC2 on macosx since beta. I have to say i am very disappointed with the performance side (i have an MBP with an i7 and two graphic cards), but anyways i play the game on lowest graphic settings so i don't mind to much.
The problem is, with my config i would expect to be able to stream but i just can't, maybe it's a RAM issue (i only have 4gb) but when i tried streaming the CPU was just going to crazy and i don't think i can do it.
Anyways, OT, using osx as pro would be a hudge mistake, every.single. tournament uses PC and you should always try to have your training environment as close as the tournament setting (and vice versa). Pro-gamers are not designers, they are not programmers(at least not for their job since many of them study CS), they are just huge gamers and having Windows is the right fit for them.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote:
Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). Hey men you're full of shit. I'm going to be a little bit of the apple fanboy here but i need to correct you. I've been using compters since i'm 8 years old, i work as a programmer and i have been studying CS when i was in college. Switching to OSX is the seldom best decision i have made. My life is better. My work is better. Yes it is Overpriced, but i need a portable computer that runs an unix based system smoothly (and i don't want to go through the fucking hassle that installing linux is on some laptop) and most of all, i need RELIABLE hardware. PCs are just hit and miss, and they very often miss (i had several of them). My macbooks last me for 5 years and sometimes more. You need a desktop computer, go for a PC, you should. But i will never buy a PC laptop again, they are just reliable, my laptop is my working tool, and Apple is the only that has been able to fulfill my needs. Please stop staying shit like "anybody who knows about computer would never buy a macbook". Knowing about computer is not about being a gamer, some people actually use they laptop for work, and when it's about that, nothing is a good as a macbookpro
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On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote:
Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter).
Did you not read the disclaimer? Holy shit wall of bull shit text.
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On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote:
I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys.
Keyboard settings --> Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys
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'If you're a designer, don't worry about it. Enjoy your thick rimmed glasses and your latte that cost you eight dollars. You do good work.'
Hahahahaha...aaaah.
I can't imagine there would be any problems with it though. You don't exactly need a super high end machine to play SC2 as most pros will downgrade the graphics anyhow.
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On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote:
Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter).
I know plenty about computers, and the next computer I buy to use personally (gaming etc.) will be a Mac.
They're not just overpriced, in a fancy case, with the Apple logo.
Go install the OS on a PC, and test drive Apple's hardware, then tell everyone what you think.
On August 01 2012 02:16 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:01 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm not a pro, but I use a mac, and game on the mac side.
my SC2 actually runs better on the mac os than on bootcamp'd windows Just wondering if anyone can comfirm if that is that actually true (ie measurably faster frame rates in the same situation) or if its the usual marketing usage of better in relation to Apple's products? It's entirely possible as sc2's design has some unexpected weirdnesses with different configs and since OSX the kernals not Apples own work so it's not super bad anymore. Might have imagined this but wasn't scarlet playing off a mactop for a while?
Can't confirm it per say, but I do remember noticing a higher frame rate on the Mac side rather than the Windows. I've since gotten rid of my Bootcamp partition so I'm not able to test it now.
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On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote:
Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter).
Necessary?
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dont blame him for saying the truth
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The whole mac and PC thing, like most debates, shows that people who are the most intense or polarized on either side of an issue know the least about said issue. They both have their place, professional gaming is not Mac's role.
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doesn't running bootcamp and sc2 really stresses the mac?
I recall them having terrible cooling performance and always thought that was the biggest issue limiting mac's gaming performance
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On August 01 2012 02:38 ETisME wrote:
doesn't running bootcamp and sc2 really stresses the mac?
I recall them having terrible cooling performance and always thought that was the biggest issue limiting mac's gaming performance
Bootcamp and gaming never stressed my mac to the point of having cooling issues, but games just never ran as good on the Windows side as they did on the Mac.
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On August 01 2012 02:37 Le BucheRON wrote:
The whole mac and PC thing, like most debates, shows that people who are the most intense or polarized on either side of an issue know the least about said issue. They both have their place, professional gaming is not Mac's role.
I agree that professional gaming is not a Mac's role necessarily, but with the specs on current iMacs, Macbook Pros and even the Power Macs, you can use them to game. At least for SC2, I don't see HoTS becoming too intense for any of them to run it either.
On August 01 2012 02:37 Xitac wrote:
dont blame him for saying the truth
Except its not the truth, its biased dribble.
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I think its kinda funny that Day9 actually laughed that hard about it like an iMac or a Macbook pro is pretty much comparable to playing on a PC. Side note Linux gamers get that kind of laughing too while the platform itself is absolutely fine for gaming just that SC2 and some other games aren't released for it doesn't really make the platform bad even though the perception is Windows is gaming and everything else is stupid.
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On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote:
I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys.
I had that issue too. I think it's in the options menu somewhere. I'll poke around when I get home and see if I can figure out how I fixed it.
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On August 01 2012 02:44 ThirdDegree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote:
I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys. I had that issue too. I think it's in the options menu somewhere. I'll poke around when I get home and see if I can figure out how I fixed it.
If you get it, please let me know, I've been frustrated with that was well.
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On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Mac is too fucking expensive.
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price.
Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous.
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera.
Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac.
Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something.
But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter).
While I agree that Macs are a ripoff (Macbook Pro profit margins are estimated at 28%, which is ridiculous for a laptop) you are wrong on a number of points.
I study in IT but also take dev classes and have friends who made this their primary field. A macbook is sadly the only place you will be able to run all 3 oses on since Apple locks OSX down, so this coupled with the fact that it's build on a Unix base makes it better for coding. Also Macs for graphic designing is more a habit then necessity nowadays, you can find the equivalent software on both platforms.
Edit : For comparison, an average profit margin for a Windows laptop is 5%, so seven times less than a Macbook Pro.
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I know plenty about computers, and the next computer I buy to use personally (gaming etc.) will be a Mac.
They're not just overpriced, in a fancy case, with the Apple logo.
Go install the OS on a PC, and test drive Apple's hardware, then tell everyone what you think.
I already said the OS is nice, and hardware is good. And the hardware is not "Apples hardware", that's a ridiculous concept, just as much as saying "Dell's hardware" or "Belial's Hardware". It's Intels, AMD, Radeon, NVidia, Kingston, hardware. Hell, it's not even MSi or PNY hardware, it's Tykos and Nvidia, etc.
All Apple does, is buy parts from people like AMD and Intel and Nvidia, and slap them together... in a fancy case, with Apple software. It's not Apple hardware anymore than the custom PC I built is "Belial88 hardware". The difference is that Apple charges $2700 for a desktop that is comparable to a $300 custom built. I mean, I like my quadcore with no level 3 cache, but I think most computer enthusiasists would actually say that's shit quality (if you compare it to, say, an i5 or i7).
There's a reason all the pros play on PC. They LIVE off their computer, it's their job, and their life. They are going to know a lot about computers. Anyone who knows a lot about computers, is not going to buy a Mac, and furthermore, won't buy a PC - they will use a custom built. You see all the stuff about sponsors. What do you think they will want to use, a Mac? A Dell? Or a custom built with top of the line technology like i7, kingston high end RAM, et cetera. That would be like racing cars in a toyota prius - yea, it's a great car, but it's a little overpriced compared to, say, a high end mazda or civic, and even then, that's no where near a custom built race car put together like the formula cars or fancy cars you see on the street that are all souped up.
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Starcraft 2 is unplayable on mac. At least that was my experience when I tried.
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study in IT but also take dev classes and have friends who made this their primary field. A macbook is sadly the only place you will be able to run all 3 oses on since Apple locks OSX down, so this coupled with the fact that it's build on a Unix base makes it better for coding. Also Macs for graphic designing is more a habit then necessity nowadays, you can find the equivalent software on both platforms.
I already stated that Mac is necessary for a few professional applications, that are very specific. And I believe Snow Leopard is a way to run Apple software on PC - not to mention custom modded stuff made to be like Apple software (ie forgot the name of it, but a way to have apple software on android phones, stuff like that)
Except its not the truth, its biased dribble.
But it is the truth... When none of the pro gamers use Mac, there's a reason. It's not just some coincidence. Mac doesn't sponsor shit. Dell is the only PC company that comes close to, with Alienware, but really, all the sponsors are computer components.
If you want the fastest computer possible, and the best computer possible, or even the best valued computer possible, you are going to build a custom PC. I'm not saying Windows is the answer, you can use ubuntu or a virtual machine, that's fine, whatever, but the answer is definitely not a Mac. It's just good hardware that's completely overpriced. It isn't enough performance for the pros, and it's too expensive to justify. Why buy a $3000 mac desktop when you can literally get an i7 with a top of the line GPU for the same price?
Laptops, are a totally different animal, so I am not talking about laptops, by the way.
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On August 01 2012 02:48 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +I know plenty about computers, and the next computer I buy to use personally (gaming etc.) will be a Mac.
They're not just overpriced, in a fancy case, with the Apple logo.
Go install the OS on a PC, and test drive Apple's hardware, then tell everyone what you think. I already said the OS is nice, and hardware is good. And the hardware is not "Apples hardware", that's a ridiculous concept, just as much as saying "Dell's hardware" or "Belial's Hardware". It's Intels, AMD, Radeon, NVidia, Kingston, hardware. Hell, it's not even MSi or PNY hardware, it's Tykos and Nvidia, etc. All Apple does, is buy parts from people like AMD and Intel and Nvidia, and slap them together... in a fancy case, with Apple software. It's not Apple hardware anymore than the custom PC I built is "Belial88 hardware". The difference is that Apple charges $2700 for a desktop that is comparable to a $300 custom built. I mean, I like my quadcore with no level 3 cache, but I think most computer enthusiasists would actually say that's shit quality (if you compare it to, say, an i5 or i7). There's a reason all the pros play on PC. They LIVE off their computer, it's their job, and their life. They are going to know a lot about computers. Anyone who knows a lot about computers, is not going to buy a Mac, and furthermore, won't buy a PC - they will use a custom built. You see all the stuff about sponsors. What do you think they will want to use, a Mac? A Dell? Or a custom built with top of the line technology like i7, kingston high end RAM, et cetera. That would be like racing cars in a toyota prius - yea, it's a great car, but it's a little overpriced compared to, say, a high end mazda or civic, and even then, that's no where near a custom built race car put together like the formula cars or fancy cars you see on the street that are all souped up.
Please find a different thread to derail.
On topic: I don't play games competitively anymore, but when I did on my Mac, my biggest problem was the drivers for my mouse. Logitech, my favorite gaming mouse company, used to only provide drivers for windows, I don't know what it's like now. That was a huge issue, not beig able to calibrate the mouse properly.
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I play on Mac, and have no problems whatsoever with slowdowns or lag. The only difference as someone else mentioned would be perhaps the hotkeys if you're used to a Mac keyboard.
Regarding the mouse, I haven't found any difference between my Windows or Mac experience with SC2, but I should say I did remove mouse acceleration from both OSes.
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I feel sad for the OP that this thread derailed even though he placed a very careful disclaimer.
OT: I can't say I know of any pro's who use a mac. I think none.
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On August 01 2012 02:53 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote + study in IT but also take dev classes and have friends who made this their primary field. A macbook is sadly the only place you will be able to run all 3 oses on since Apple locks OSX down, so this coupled with the fact that it's build on a Unix base makes it better for coding. Also Macs for graphic designing is more a habit then necessity nowadays, you can find the equivalent software on both platforms. I already stated that Mac is necessary for a few professional applications, that are very specific. And I believe Snow Leopard is a way to run Apple software on PC - not to mention custom modded stuff made to be like Apple software (ie forgot the name of it, but a way to have apple software on android phones, stuff like that)
Coding is not very specific, there are a lot of people doing this. You can run OSX on a PC, I have done it in vmware on a middle-end HP laptop but it lags like hell because the drivers are not made for it, and more importantly, it's illegal. So Apple forces some people that have no choice into buying their product. You cannot make an application for iPhone without buying a Mac. Yes it is utter bullshit, but it's like that.
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On August 01 2012 02:48 Xpace wrote:
Starcraft 2 is unplayable on mac. At least that was my experience when I tried.
I play on a macbook and it runs fine for me
As for pros, I dont think any of them do. I believe most play on sponsored equipment and apple doesnt sponsor anyone
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Scarlett used to play on a macbook (with a separate keyboard and mouse).
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I used a mac till i got to about mid masters. I was low masters and since the lag on this old peice of shit wouldn't allow me play late game battles past 150 supply so it was time for an upgrade. I hated macs so i got a pc and now i am high masters
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I think that it doesnt make a big difference if you use a seperate keyboard / mouse . I cant imagine playing with the mousepad and the mac keyboard that would be hell.
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I'm obviously no pro, but I've played enough on a Mac and Windows to be able to say that for the non-pro it's really not that big a deal to go one way or another. The big practical difference, as someone pointed out here, is that mouse acceleration works differently between the two OSes, even with the most extensive manual tuning, and if I were a pro I would be very hesitant to go into a tournament situation without a good long time practicing on a Windows system.
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On August 01 2012 02:48 Xpace wrote:
Starcraft 2 is unplayable on mac. At least that was my experience when I tried.
you must have used a very old mac.... and with a gaming mouse/keyboard -_-
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I don´t think there are any pros using Macs, since they would be in a big disadvantage. I used to play in my Mac and I had an APM of 100. As soon as I started using windows (via Bootcamp) my APM went up to 120. I don't mean to say that a week after my APM was higher, in fact my APM went up 20 points instantly. This is how much a Mac can slow you down....
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I used to play exclusively on a touchpad and laptop keyboard via a MBP, but now I have a 27" imac with a deathadder and blackwidow, I was low masters at my best with that setup.
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On August 01 2012 03:18 DashedHopes wrote:
I used a mac till i got to about mid masters. I was low masters and since the lag on this old peice of shit wouldn't allow me play late game battles past 150 supply so it was time for an upgrade. I hated macs so i got a pc and now i am high masters
So really what you're saying is you upgraded to a newer computer in order to play late game battles...
On August 01 2012 02:53 Belial88 wrote:
But it is the truth... When none of the pro gamers use Mac, there's a reason. It's not just some coincidence. Mac doesn't sponsor shit. Dell is the only PC company that comes close to, with Alienware, but really, all the sponsors are computer components.
If you want the fastest computer possible, and the best computer possible, or even the best valued computer possible, you are going to build a custom PC. I'm not saying Windows is the answer, you can use ubuntu or a virtual machine, that's fine, whatever, but the answer is definitely not a Mac. It's just good hardware that's completely overpriced. It isn't enough performance for the pros, and it's too expensive to justify. Why buy a $3000 mac desktop when you can literally get an i7 with a top of the line GPU for the same price?
Laptops, are a totally different animal, so I am not talking about laptops, by the way.
If it's a question of sponsorship, I feel like you're going off in a different direction. And we're talking about computers, so laptops are included...
It seems like its coming down to a question of opinion rather than actual facts so I'll just say this:
Yes you can build a custom PC with better specs for much less money than buying a Mac. You can also buy a pre-built PC for generally less money than buying a Mac. In my experience, I would rather spend more money on buying a Mac than building or buying, even if I couldn't get the exact high-end specs I wanted. I save myself a headache, and I have a great computer which will do everything I need with ease. The design, quality of the product, and overall performance is important to me, and I've never had any issues, gaming or otherwise, with my MacBook Pro, or any Mac I've used.
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i game on a mac, and it's pretty awful.
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it is fine if you use mac, there isnt anything wrong about the hardware as long as you feel comfortable and the game runs at full FPS.
Im high master using mac and honestly it dosen´t make a diference to me
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People need to start specifying what computer exactly they refer to when they say Mac. Saying "I used to own a Mac and it was awful" says nothing about anything, it could mean an iBook G4 or it could mean one of the new retina MacBook Pros
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Short answer, no. Long answer, hells to the fuck no. Macs are trash for gaming + Show Spoiler +(and IMO everything but this is not the place for that).
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Mac HAHA! Nice joke! Apple products are overprices casualshit.
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mac is just not for gaming dude ;s
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Okay this is getting out of hand... may i remind
Disclaimer: This thread isn't intended to shatter anybody's preferences as it is not necessary or wanted, if you simply cannot reply without trolling on either macs or PC then please do not post at all.
Also, this thread shouldn't bring up anything about Macs or PCs outside of gaming or even better, Starcraft itself.
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Thanks to those who actually followed the disclaimer your posts were very helpful
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No, pros don't play on macs and probably never will. I grew up on a mac, and in fact play SC2 on a mac and it runs beautifully smooth. My father and brother are graphic designers so this explains why we use macs. Aside from the basic answer, here's my personal view on the whole Mac/PC debate. If you are a hardcore gamer and you love high-end graphics and buying every "great" game out there, then a PC is for you. If you really do not care about high end graphics, or having dozens of games, and you would prefer to just play that one favorite game you grew up with, then a mac doesn't kill you. I just don't understand why the hardcore pc gamers have to be such meanies to everyone that doesn't care about high-end gaming as much as them.
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On August 01 2012 03:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:18 DashedHopes wrote:
I used a mac till i got to about mid masters. I was low masters and since the lag on this old peice of shit wouldn't allow me play late game battles past 150 supply so it was time for an upgrade. I hated macs so i got a pc and now i am high masters So really what you're saying is you upgraded to a newer computer in order to play late game battles... Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:53 Belial88 wrote:
But it is the truth... When none of the pro gamers use Mac, there's a reason. It's not just some coincidence. Mac doesn't sponsor shit. Dell is the only PC company that comes close to, with Alienware, but really, all the sponsors are computer components.
If you want the fastest computer possible, and the best computer possible, or even the best valued computer possible, you are going to build a custom PC. I'm not saying Windows is the answer, you can use ubuntu or a virtual machine, that's fine, whatever, but the answer is definitely not a Mac. It's just good hardware that's completely overpriced. It isn't enough performance for the pros, and it's too expensive to justify. Why buy a $3000 mac desktop when you can literally get an i7 with a top of the line GPU for the same price?
Laptops, are a totally different animal, so I am not talking about laptops, by the way. If it's a question of sponsorship, I feel like you're going off in a different direction. And we're talking about computers, so laptops are included... It seems like its coming down to a question of opinion rather than actual facts so I'll just say this: Yes you can build a custom PC with better specs for much less money than buying a Mac. You can also buy a pre-built PC for generally less money than buying a Mac. In my experience, I would rather spend more money on buying a Mac than building or buying, even if I couldn't get the exact high-end specs I wanted. I save myself a headache, and I have a great computer which will do everything I need with ease. The design, quality of the product, and overall performance is important to me, and I've never had any issues, gaming or otherwise, with my MacBook Pro, or any Mac I've used.
U've got a lotta extra cash? 
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I dont consider myself a pro but i played on a 13inch macbook pro for the first year of sc2 on PicNic. It was pretty terrible.
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Have both a PC and a mid 2010 MacBook Pro to play SC2 on. Let me just say firstly, the biggest problem with the Mac is that you cannot turn off mouse acceleration which can be rather huge for some players, especially at the pro level. (I know there have been one or two ways that people have bypassed this using a program, but I have not tried it). Having said that, I can run SC2 fine on all low settings. It has been running SC2 fine for the last two years, until recently it has encountered heating problems and occasionally crashes. Even before this problem it would usually lag during 4v4 games. I installed SC2 on boot camp and it definitely runs much smoother on windows, and can actually bump a couple settings up towards medium. As good as Macs are (for other purposes) I do not think Pros will be using them anytime soon as the hardware/drivers and play settings are extremely important during competition. Using a Mac would likely only cause more problems for this. If you are a casual player, then Mac will do fine. If you need mouse acceleration off and higher settings, look elsewhere.
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I think a lot of gaming incompatibilities (and hardware/software drivers, too or whatever) along with the innate fact that you can't disable the mouse acceleration without a 3rd party program just makes mac computers more cumbersome for progamers to work with. That and a the sponsorship stuff, too.
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I'm glad to see the disclaimer is keeping the 13 year olds out of the thread.
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poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them
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I think it was a temp ban and Belial is back spreading the word of custom made PCs On a personal note, my own PC is custom made and I wouldn't want it any other way now that I have tried it. I guess that's how apple users feel about their macbooks and imacs and that's totally awesome. In terms of software I find apple software rather sexy and extremely user friendly & super compatible with other apple products from ipods to iphones. There are certain advantages to each type of OS/computer. Having said that, I prefer custom PCs because I can change RAM/HD/processor etc. whenever I feel that the seperate part is a bottleneck. You can't do that with a new or old mac, right?
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On August 01 2012 04:18 NuttyFudgesicle wrote:
Let me just say firstly, the biggest problem with the Mac is that you cannot turn off mouse acceleration which can be rather huge for some players, especially at the pro level. (I know there have been one or two ways that people have bypassed this using a program, but I have not tried it).
Here is one of the mythical acceleration killers for the brave ones.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194668
But I agree that windows dominance in desktop gaming will not be broken for many years to come.
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I don't know any pros that use a mac but i use mac, but my mac is bootcamped with windows 7 for gaming
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mac is generally horrible for gaming unless you use bootcamp.
the only good thing ive noticed about mac is the retina technology they use
so i can see things much more clearly. But to me thats about it.
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Here's the answer without all the BS:
The only "pro" who uses (or used) a Mac is Scarlett. But just because no one else does doesn't mean you don't have to! 
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Think no pro use mac. Answere was the first response to the thread.
macIO not for gaming ( not discussable because of many things allready mentioned -for me biggest negativ thing lack of third party drivers or problems with them )
linux not for desktops ( discussable )
windows not for servers ( discussable, but nahhh )
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On August 01 2012 04:38 Xitac wrote:
poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them
Actually, he got banned for saying things like this in his post:
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No.
It's inflammatory, untrue, and trying to start an argument that the OP specifically asked to keep out of the thread.
The truth is that pricing Mac hardware against truly equivalent generic Windows PC hardware can be kind of tricky, because Apple tends to adopt exotic interfaces like Thunderbolt, designs laptops with very difficult to achieve form factors, and does things like builds a high quality monitor into the box. Sometimes the prices are pretty close, sometimes the Apple hardware is wildly expensive in comparison. This also varies over the life of an Apple product, because what is exotic and expensive on the PC side on day 1 will cost a lot less in six months, while the Apple price won't have changed.
I personally own a recent Windows PC that I use solely for gaming or running the occasional application that's only available on Windows, a four-year-old Mac Pro, and two Mac laptops. Here's why I choose to buy Apple hardware, when I do:
* It's cheaper to buy a somewhat more expensive Apple system than switch over to a Windows PC wholesale because I have software that cost many times what the hardware did, and it's all legally paid-for and licensed. (Many of these packages, particularly my Adobe products, have been continually upgraded since the late 1980s or early 1990s.)
* The UNIX-like OS makes certain kinds of development much easier than on a Windows PC, where that kind of thing swiftly takes one into a very strange proprietary Microsoft world that doesn't resemble anything else out there.
* The laptops are smaller and lighter for the capability than the Windows competition, and again, they run the same software into which I've already bought.
If a pro gamer is going to buy a new computer, of course they won't buy a Mac, for the reasons related to mouse acceleration and drivers that people have mentioned. However, running SC2 on a Mac is perfectly viable in general and might be acceptable to a pro under certain circumstances.
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As time goes on the driver issues will decrease. I have to use Razer products right now (which I have no complaints) because they have drivers that work with Mac OS X.
With the right drivers there's nothing wrong with Macs, and the reaction you get for showing up to lan tournaments with a Mac is always worth it.
And the simple fact that Macs are easier to use and give you less headaches makes them worth enough to me to give up Windows-based computers altogether.
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I used macs for almost 20 years (from age 4) and the reason Im a hardcore brood war fan is probably because i couldnt play many other games. I dont feel ive missed out on much, as BW was awesome. BUT Macs arent for gaming, thats a fact. Always has been, always will be.
So this is why progamers dont use macs:
1. Sc2 progamers are gamers, hence they also play some other games from time to time -> no mac
2. Throughout history the tweaking and support programs for macs have been awful; No PGTour, No fish, No ICCUP, no teamspeak, etc etc.
3. Binding keys like for instance control to the mousewheel was impossible making it nigh impossible to be good at brood war, from which a lot of our current progamers came. As far as i know, you cant even bind your mouse keys on razer equipment even with the drivers (this was true 2 years ago at least)
4. The tournament issue, already mentioned
As long as my relationship with macs have been. And however much i tried defending it when i was a kid growing up. Macs arent for gamers. End of fucking story. Running bootcamp to play games on windows is plain retarded.
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On August 01 2012 05:56 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:38 Xitac wrote:
poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them Actually, he got banned for saying things like this in his post: Show nested quote +The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. It's inflammatory, untrue, and trying to start an argument that the OP specifically asked to keep out of the thread. The truth is that pricing Mac hardware against truly equivalent generic Windows PC hardware can be kind of tricky, because Apple tends to adopt exotic interfaces like Thunderbolt, designs laptops with very difficult to achieve form factors, and does things like builds a high quality monitor into the box.
This monitor isn't high quality, especially it's glossy surface. Eizo/NEC/Fujitsu is high quality, a lot cheaper monitors are better than this marketing miracle.
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My wife is a computer engineer, studied CS at UCSD and there is a large population of students who use Macs (I went to UCSD too). No one at her workplace use PCs either. So using the "don't know anything about computers" argument is untrue, and it may very well be the opposite. When it does come to gaming though, the Mac has a few obvious faults, the same with Linux. This is also largely due to the game developers not using the Mac or Linux as their primary platform and if they did I guarantee those issues would be resolved immediately. Until the time comes, the Mac serves as a decent computer for casual gaming at best.
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For me, it's close to impossible to play fast pace strategy games on a mac since the mouse acceleration curve is really weird. I kind of like it when it comes to graphics creation and general use, but for gaming, I use bootcamp with win7 and that works just fine.
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On August 01 2012 06:29 NuttyFudgesicle wrote:
My wife is a computer engineer, studied CS at UCSD and there is a large population of students who use Macs (I went to UCSD too). No one at her workplace use PCs either. So using the "don't know anything about computers" argument is untrue, and it may very well be the opposite. When it does come to gaming though, the Mac has a few obvious faults, the same with Linux. This is also largely due to the game developers not using the Mac or Linux as their primary platform and if they did I guarantee those issues would be resolved immediately. Until the time comes, the Mac serves as a decent computer for casual gaming at best.
They have some partnership with Apple ?? Or just habit? I bet they are now forced to buy expensive apple computers in this hard economic times. The apple time will end, large companies like Adobe and other are leaning towards cheaper solutions.
( prices from february )
PC: i5 2500K Quad 3.3ghz, 8GB 1600MHZ Ram, 1.25Gb NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti 448, 2x2TB HDD Raid0 = £1058
Mac: i5 Quad 3.1ghz, 4GB 1333mhz Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB, 1x1TB HDD = £1649
Much more powerful CPU witch you can actualy OC easily to 4 on air without swet, more ram... the card on Mac is for... LAPTOP... no raid... and nearly 600£ more... what is wrong with you people... Don't tell me it will run faster on Mac
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That's why gamers chose pc, they are cheaper, not because the mice is hard to set. I want more fps for less price...
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On August 01 2012 06:26 frozenrb wrote:
This monitor isn't high quality, especially it's glossy surface. Eizo/NEC/Fujitsu is high quality, a lot cheaper monitors are better than this marketing miracle.
That's not the point -- point is that the specs (and actual parts) on both the Mac and PC side change from month to month and year to year, sometimes the pricing is more competitive than it is at other times. Once Apple pushes the retina display thing into iMacs, along with locking up the supply for months, they'll have the lead again for a short while and there won't be a Windows alternative at any price. Several months later, the Windows alternative will be much cheaper and just as good, or better.
This back-and-forth has been going on for years.
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On August 01 2012 06:45 frozenrb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:29 NuttyFudgesicle wrote:
My wife is a computer engineer, studied CS at UCSD and there is a large population of students who use Macs (I went to UCSD too). No one at her workplace use PCs either. So using the "don't know anything about computers" argument is untrue, and it may very well be the opposite. When it does come to gaming though, the Mac has a few obvious faults, the same with Linux. This is also largely due to the game developers not using the Mac or Linux as their primary platform and if they did I guarantee those issues would be resolved immediately. Until the time comes, the Mac serves as a decent computer for casual gaming at best. They have some partnership with Apple ?? Or just habit? I bet they are now forced to buy expensive apple computers in this hard economic times. The apple time will end, large companies like Adobe and other are leaning towards cheaper solutions. ( prices from february ) PC: i5 2500K Quad 3.3ghz, 8GB 1600MHZ Ram, 1.25Gb NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti 448, 2x2TB HDD Raid0 = £1058 Mac: i5 Quad 3.1ghz, 4GB 1333mhz Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB, 1x1TB HDD = £1649 Much more powerful CPU witch you can actualy OC easily to 4 on air without swet, more ram... the card on Mac is for... LAPTOP... no raid... and nearly 600£ more... what is wrong with you people... Don't tell me it will run faster on Mac edit. That's why gamers chose pc, they are cheaper, not because the mice is hard to set. I want more fps for less price...
Probably not a habit. They're just ready to go, good reliable hardware. As he and others have also mentioned, they're also Unix certified, and so a bunch of tasks are just easier out of the box (programming not gaming.) Where I study CS, a large percentage of the students also choose Macs for this reason.
Gamers choose PCs because PCs are better for gaming, no doubt about it. They have a huge selection of games not available on other platforms, and generally have more support in this area.
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On August 01 2012 06:45 frozenrb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:29 NuttyFudgesicle wrote:
My wife is a computer engineer, studied CS at UCSD and there is a large population of students who use Macs (I went to UCSD too). No one at her workplace use PCs either. So using the "don't know anything about computers" argument is untrue, and it may very well be the opposite. When it does come to gaming though, the Mac has a few obvious faults, the same with Linux. This is also largely due to the game developers not using the Mac or Linux as their primary platform and if they did I guarantee those issues would be resolved immediately. Until the time comes, the Mac serves as a decent computer for casual gaming at best. They have some partnership with Apple ?? Or just habit? I bet they are now forced to buy expensive apple computers in this hard economic times. The apple time will end, large companies like Adobe and other are leaning towards cheaper solutions. ( prices from february ) PC: i5 2500K Quad 3.3ghz, 8GB 1600MHZ Ram, 1.25Gb NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti 448, 2x2TB HDD Raid0 = £1058 Mac: i5 Quad 3.1ghz, 4GB 1333mhz Ram, AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB, 1x1TB HDD = £1649 Much more powerful CPU witch you can actualy OC easily to 4 on air without swet, more ram... the card on Mac is for... LAPTOP... no raid... and nearly 600£ more... what is wrong with you people... Don't tell me it will run faster on Mac edit. That's why gamers chose pc, they are cheaper, not because the mice is hard to set. I want more fps for less price...
Its nothing to do with cost or price its to do with OS X being a UNIX based operating system as previously stated before. If you don't know shit about computers then you should spew such bullshit.
Now if we are talking about gaming machines then yeah of course a windows pc is always going to be better becauase its the lead platform for developing SC2 and other PC games its almost always going to run better on a pc than a mac. A pro is going to use the most compatiable and most tried and tested tools available which is a PC and not a mac.
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asks simple question about if pros use macs -> devolving into mac vs pc
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On August 01 2012 06:45 frozenrb wrote:
and nearly 600£ more... what is wrong with you people...
Note also that the price difference between Apple and competing brands is much higher outside the U.S. than it is in the U.S., so what holds true in one market may not be the case in another. There are also crazy differences across the product line at any given time. (Apple charges a huge premium for small upgrades from the base model, for example, but the base models may be priced pretty reasonably depending on the product.)
All that said, I think that nobody's come in here and listed several pros who use Macs suggests to me that there aren't many, if any. There certainly are a good number of non-pros who successfully play Starcraft 2 on their Macs though, including most of my friends who play. The game runs reasonably well on good hardware and the mouse acceleration thing can be dealt with well enough for most players to be relatively comfortable, either with third party mouse speed adjustments or just getting used to it.
I'll point out again, though, that when I went out to buy a computer for the specific purpose of playing Starcraft 2, I bought a Windows PC, and it's been great for that. Anyone with that goal in mind I'd point the same direction.
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I use a MBP with the laptop keyboard and a separate mouse. If I ever wanted to make the jump to pro gaming I would definitely switch to at least playing on Windows instead of Mac just so if I were to go to a LAN I wouldn't have any hiccups switching OS's. That being said, there's nothing stopping a Mac user from competing just fine in online tourneys etc. with Mac hardware.
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Just a note, it is possible to disable mouse acceleration on Macs through the Terminal. You can even disable it for mice but not for the trackpad (the trackpad is kinda janky without acceleration, especially if you are used to how it is stock). That is what I currently have setup on mine. Just google it, there's a number of different ways to do it, I can't remember which site I used back when I did this. It makes a huge difference.
Also, pros play on Windows because it's a better supported OS for gaming and has more flexible options hardware wise. Does it mean you can't play on Mac, absolutely not, it's just easier to on Windows. Each OS has positives and negatives, and a negative of OSX is that it's slightly less usable for gaming due to a lack of support from developers (though somehow I've still managed to mass about 80 Mac-compatible games on Steam). I've certainly played SC2 on OSX a lot though, I just hook it to an external monitor and use a regular mouse and keyboard.
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1. Mac's are a liability, for instance the beta wasn't available for Mac users right away
2. they come with the most useless mouse/keyboard in terms of pro gaming
3. you can't upgrade that shit or its expensive and hard to do
4. most pros enjoy playing other games and MAC's have poor support for gaming in general
5. fuck macs, even if you couldn't list some of the issues gaming society has been brought up to hate the shit out of them and pro gamers are susceptible to biased opinion like anyone else
6. the pros of owning a mac are related to professions outside of gaming so it would be counter intuitive to think someone who creates music or photography would switch gears to a profession in gaming
I could go on but i feel I've made my point, I know you weren't looking for reasons but examples of actual players.. to my knowledge there is none. See above as to why
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On August 01 2012 07:03 Pri1230 wrote:
Its nothing to do with cost or price its to do with OS X being a UNIX based operating system as previously stated before. If you don't know shit about computers then you should spew such bullshit.
Now if we are talking about gaming machines then yeah of course a windows pc is always going to be better becauase its the lead platform for developing SC2 and other PC games its almost always going to run better on a pc than a mac. A pro is going to use the most compatiable and most tried and tested tools available which is a PC and not a mac.
Im graphic designer, I work in industry for 6 years ( yea im young ). I had both PC and MAC ( the pro series with glossy ) I know what OS X is, as far as i know its just the better memory management... that's all, they optimize system for one hardware thats why it's faster... Windows is just a mess package of drivers for all cpus, cards.
The reason that "designers" use MAC's it's becouse there were one software called QuarkXPress only for MAC. Printing houses were forced to use it. When all DTP/pre-press people started to use it ( The elite of the Design community ), kids and designers in houses started to use them to... The myth was growing. Now it's just a trend because kids want to use what pros use, old designers won't switch to PC, and apple is on the wave now.
One or two years ago, when Adobe Systems, the mecca of Apple presented their new Creative Suite on HP i saw posts "why they are using shitty pc's, who use pc's, how can you desing on pc... there is photoshop for windows?
Tell me how 4gb ram ( non-ecc ) UNIX based system can be faster than 8 gb PC when i have to load 5 gb file to my ram ??
I can get two better workstations for one overpriced MAC PRO, so yes i don't know shit about computer and OS X, with is actually slower in some tests?
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My friend also a graphic designer bought that retina thing... and shit is ghosting for 15 minutes. NO THANK YOU.
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2012/20120623_2-MacBookPro-Retina-screen-burn-in-ghost-images.html
ok i bet the screen is ok, they just use it wrong
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![[image loading]](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UH10yXTwRXY/Tx6XUvkECjI/AAAAAAAABLc/tLT6vEpeD14/acer_apple_mac_laptops_auditorium.jpg)
I bet that person is playing SC2, and other ppl are doing serious shit
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I'm in Masters league and I've played on a MacBook Pro 13" since the release of SC2. I've never tried playing on a PC OR with a mouse for that. I was actually thinking about investing in something better in the coming months... Cause playing with a trackpad is kind of bothersome. Making the transition though might be awkward at first, but I think it should come pretty natural, righT?
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I went to MLG Columbus 2012 and I saw a couple people in the players pit with the Mac keyboard. I was really confused
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Dear TLians: no one cares what you use, that's not the point of this thread...
Scarlett used a MacBook for a while. Not aware of any others, PCs run SC2 better and cheaper so it's the obvious choice
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EPT
