On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote: Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
i feel like this awesome post should be quoted yet again
Except its entirely wrong. The fact that he's been on multiple teams and is hard to work with IS relevant to a conversation about his status in regards to teams. This thread isn't his fanclub, negative things about him SHOULD be discussed because those are the things that will dictate which team he joins next. He's undoubtedly skilled, but his abrasive nature will sure as hell stop him from joining Liquid and EG, and he's not exactly a Korean fan favourite, so you can pretty much say there's no chance of him joining a Korean team. There. That "negative" post about him had more relevance than pointless bitching about how people should be nice all the time. That is what we call "a discussion." If we can stop polarizing between "THIS THREAD IS THE NANIWA LOVE HOUSE NO HATERZ PLZ" and "FUCK NANIWA FOR NO REASON" we can actually have that "discussion."
The thing is that most posters here are uninformed as to how Naniwa behaves, so its pretty pointless to have to wade through useless posts, based on pure speculation, looking for something that holds value. Yes Idra (bad manners sure stopped him getting in on EG?) flames him a lot but I doubt Morrow would include him in a team just for kicks.
If you want to have a 'discussion' that involves people quoting half truths so be it...
The difference is, Though IdrA is BM he is still marketable and he can put on good PR when needed. Plus he is a known figure in the community from BW. Naniwa is not.
The guy you quoted's point has nothing to do with half truths. The fact that he hops from team to team is not a half truth. The fact that he is BM is not a half truth. These are the things people SHOULD be talking about in the discussion of what team he is going to go to. Again, the pointless hate is stupid as fuck, just as stupid as the blind white knighting fanboys. That has no place in this thread. Level headed discussion of where he is going to go is what people should be talking about, and his track record with teams and BM is a huge part of that conversation.
This is right.
There's a hugeeeeeee difference between baseless speculation and educated guess.
Stuff like "he's joining EG/Startales/Korean teams" are baseless, because we all know that he will never ever be able to join those teams in a million year given his personality. Stuffs like "he's a teamhopper", "He didn't leave on good term, that is just PR" "He's not getting along with ST members" are educated guess, because historically it happened before, and not once.
Educated guess, although might be harsh, are the most logical assumption one can come up with, and have more chance to be right than baseless speculation, and certainly provide more discussion than "you all are drama queen, just shut up and let things play out" talk.
He's a teamhopper is a fact, that one I can get behind.
The other two are honestly baseless. The most logical assumption is both Quantic and Naniwa are being honest and agreed to part ways. Every team's management is different, and just because Complexity (for example) broke things off with Naniwa on bad terms doesn't mean Quantic did too.
The not getting along with Startale members flies in the face of everything I've seen on the twitters of team members. Squirtle was writing not long ago about how he missed Nani (source: Squirtle's twitter). Bomber apparently had Naniwa's face as his desktop background(source: Naniwa's twitter). PartinG, Naniwa, and SaSe all make fun of each other over twitter (see all three of their twitters). Saying "he's not getting along with ST members" is an uneducated guess based entirely off of hearsay and past events on teams with different people than the ones Naniwa currently interacts with, and not based off of any evidence (in fact the evidence points to the opposite).
The only teammate/management there's any evidence that Nani isn't getting along with is SaSe. Naniwa reportedly unfollowed him on twitter. SaSe has decided to remain with Quantic even though in the past both of them claimed they "came in a package" for any team. There was also a report from Rakaka (i think that's right) that the two of them weren't getting along. If this is true it makes sense Naniwa might want to leave Quantic and also not stick around the Startale house.
At the same time, I don't see why people don't have a little fun predicting where Naniwa ends up. My crazy guess is he joins ROOT along with ToD, thus creating at wc3 trifecta with ROOTerdam. ROOT will then be represented in gsl code S and all sorts of awesome things will happen.
On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote: Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
i feel like this awesome post should be quoted yet again
Except its entirely wrong. The fact that he's been on multiple teams and is hard to work with IS relevant to a conversation about his status in regards to teams. This thread isn't his fanclub, negative things about him SHOULD be discussed because those are the things that will dictate which team he joins next. He's undoubtedly skilled, but his abrasive nature will sure as hell stop him from joining Liquid and EG, and he's not exactly a Korean fan favourite, so you can pretty much say there's no chance of him joining a Korean team. There. That "negative" post about him had more relevance than pointless bitching about how people should be nice all the time. That is what we call "a discussion." If we can stop polarizing between "THIS THREAD IS THE NANIWA LOVE HOUSE NO HATERZ PLZ" and "FUCK NANIWA FOR NO REASON" we can actually have that "discussion."
The thing is that most posters here are uninformed as to how Naniwa behaves, so its pretty pointless to have to wade through useless posts, based on pure speculation, looking for something that holds value. Yes Idra (bad manners sure stopped him getting in on EG?) flames him a lot but I doubt Morrow would include him in a team just for kicks.
If you want to have a 'discussion' that involves people quoting half truths so be it...
The difference is, Though IdrA is BM he is still marketable and he can put on good PR when needed. Plus he is a known figure in the community from BW. Naniwa is not.
The guy you quoted's point has nothing to do with half truths. The fact that he hops from team to team is not a half truth. The fact that he is BM is not a half truth. These are the things people SHOULD be talking about in the discussion of what team he is going to go to. Again, the pointless hate is stupid as fuck, just as stupid as the blind white knighting fanboys. That has no place in this thread. Level headed discussion of where he is going to go is what people should be talking about, and his track record with teams and BM is a huge part of that conversation.
This is right.
There's a hugeeeeeee difference between baseless speculation and educated guess.
Stuff like "he's joining EG/Startales/Korean teams" are baseless, because we all know that he will never ever be able to join those teams in a million year given his personality. Stuffs like "he's a teamhopper", "He didn't leave on good term, that is just PR" "He's not getting along with ST members" are educated guess, because historically it happened before, and not once.
Educated guess, although might be harsh, are the most logical assumption one can come up with, and have more chance to be right than baseless speculation, and certainly provide more discussion than "you all are drama queen, just shut up and let things play out" talk.
At the same time, I don't see why people don't have a little fun predicting where Naniwa ends up. My crazy guess is he joins ROOT along with ToD, thus creating at wc3 trifecta with ROOTerdam. ROOT will then be represented in gsl code S and all sorts of awesome things will happen.
I kind of predicted this initially, ROOT doesn't mind having polarizing players, there's no one on ROOT who dislikes Nani or vice versa as far as I know, and he's friends with a few of them even. ROOT could probably use Naniwa as well. Not sure about how staying in Korea will work out though, but there is no team with a korean team alliance that would have him asside from Millenium. Well this is just speculation we'll have to see.
My educated guess would be, MMA is leaving SlayerS to create his own team and Nani is leaving Quantic to join him. So far every fact points to this conclusion, especially the made up facts.
On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote: Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
i feel like this awesome post should be quoted yet again
Except its entirely wrong. The fact that he's been on multiple teams and is hard to work with IS relevant to a conversation about his status in regards to teams. This thread isn't his fanclub, negative things about him SHOULD be discussed because those are the things that will dictate which team he joins next. He's undoubtedly skilled, but his abrasive nature will sure as hell stop him from joining Liquid and EG, and he's not exactly a Korean fan favourite, so you can pretty much say there's no chance of him joining a Korean team. There. That "negative" post about him had more relevance than pointless bitching about how people should be nice all the time. That is what we call "a discussion." If we can stop polarizing between "THIS THREAD IS THE NANIWA LOVE HOUSE NO HATERZ PLZ" and "FUCK NANIWA FOR NO REASON" we can actually have that "discussion."
The thing is that most posters here are uninformed as to how Naniwa behaves, so its pretty pointless to have to wade through useless posts, based on pure speculation, looking for something that holds value. Yes Idra (bad manners sure stopped him getting in on EG?) flames him a lot but I doubt Morrow would include him in a team just for kicks.
If you want to have a 'discussion' that involves people quoting half truths so be it...
The difference is, Though IdrA is BM he is still marketable and he can put on good PR when needed. Plus he is a known figure in the community from BW. Naniwa is not.
The guy you quoted's point has nothing to do with half truths. The fact that he hops from team to team is not a half truth. The fact that he is BM is not a half truth. These are the things people SHOULD be talking about in the discussion of what team he is going to go to. Again, the pointless hate is stupid as fuck, just as stupid as the blind white knighting fanboys. That has no place in this thread. Level headed discussion of where he is going to go is what people should be talking about, and his track record with teams and BM is a huge part of that conversation.
This is right.
There's a hugeeeeeee difference between baseless speculation and educated guess.
Stuff like "he's joining EG/Startales/Korean teams" are baseless, because we all know that he will never ever be able to join those teams in a million year given his personality. Stuffs like "he's a teamhopper", "He didn't leave on good term, that is just PR" "He's not getting along with ST members" are educated guess, because historically it happened before, and not once.
Educated guess, although might be harsh, are the most logical assumption one can come up with, and have more chance to be right than baseless speculation, and certainly provide more discussion than "you all are drama queen, just shut up and let things play out" talk.
At the same time, I don't see why people don't have a little fun predicting where Naniwa ends up. My crazy guess is he joins ROOT along with ToD, thus creating at wc3 trifecta with ROOTerdam. ROOT will then be represented in gsl code S and all sorts of awesome things will happen.
I kind of predicted this initially, ROOT doesn't mind having polarizing players, there's no one on ROOT who dislikes Nani or vice versa as far as I know, and he's friends with a few of them even. ROOT could probably use Naniwa as well. Not sure about how staying in Korea will work out though, but there is no team with a korean team alliance that would have him asside from Millenium. Well this is just speculation we'll have to see.
Also he'll be on real talk tonight!
i dont know, but maybe Catz still dislikes Naniwa after Nani dissed him after he left col.
My guess is that he's sick of Korea and kind of fed up with SC2. I think he'll be home in Sweden for quite some time before joining another team, and especially a Korean team.
On August 02 2012 04:16 TheExodus wrote: My guess is that he's sick of Korea and kind of fed up with SC2. I think he'll be home in Sweden for quite some time before joining another team, and especially a Korean team.
On August 02 2012 04:16 TheExodus wrote: My guess is that he's sick of Korea and kind of fed up with SC2. I think he'll be home in Sweden for quite some time before joining another team, and especially a Korean team.
On August 02 2012 03:47 Sejanus wrote: Educated guesses are cool.
My educated guess would be, MMA is leaving SlayerS to create his own team and Nani is leaving Quantic to join him. So far every fact points to this conclusion, especially the made up facts.
Your facts are mostly correct, except MMA will not create his own team, but rather join Nada's team who will soon merge with team Grubby to form NADAGRUBBY.
On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote: Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
i feel like this awesome post should be quoted yet again
Except its entirely wrong. The fact that he's been on multiple teams and is hard to work with IS relevant to a conversation about his status in regards to teams. This thread isn't his fanclub, negative things about him SHOULD be discussed because those are the things that will dictate which team he joins next. He's undoubtedly skilled, but his abrasive nature will sure as hell stop him from joining Liquid and EG, and he's not exactly a Korean fan favourite, so you can pretty much say there's no chance of him joining a Korean team. There. That "negative" post about him had more relevance than pointless bitching about how people should be nice all the time. That is what we call "a discussion." If we can stop polarizing between "THIS THREAD IS THE NANIWA LOVE HOUSE NO HATERZ PLZ" and "FUCK NANIWA FOR NO REASON" we can actually have that "discussion."
The thing is that most posters here are uninformed as to how Naniwa behaves, so its pretty pointless to have to wade through useless posts, based on pure speculation, looking for something that holds value. Yes Idra (bad manners sure stopped him getting in on EG?) flames him a lot but I doubt Morrow would include him in a team just for kicks.
If you want to have a 'discussion' that involves people quoting half truths so be it...
The difference is, Though IdrA is BM he is still marketable and he can put on good PR when needed. Plus he is a known figure in the community from BW. Naniwa is not.
The guy you quoted's point has nothing to do with half truths. The fact that he hops from team to team is not a half truth. The fact that he is BM is not a half truth. These are the things people SHOULD be talking about in the discussion of what team he is going to go to. Again, the pointless hate is stupid as fuck, just as stupid as the blind white knighting fanboys. That has no place in this thread. Level headed discussion of where he is going to go is what people should be talking about, and his track record with teams and BM is a huge part of that conversation.
This is right.
There's a hugeeeeeee difference between baseless speculation and educated guess.
Stuff like "he's joining EG/Startales/Korean teams" are baseless, because we all know that he will never ever be able to join those teams in a million year given his personality. Stuffs like "he's a teamhopper", "He didn't leave on good term, that is just PR" "He's not getting along with ST members" are educated guess, because historically it happened before, and not once.
Educated guess, although might be harsh, are the most logical assumption one can come up with, and have more chance to be right than baseless speculation, and certainly provide more discussion than "you all are drama queen, just shut up and let things play out" talk.
At the same time, I don't see why people don't have a little fun predicting where Naniwa ends up. My crazy guess is he joins ROOT along with ToD, thus creating at wc3 trifecta with ROOTerdam. ROOT will then be represented in gsl code S and all sorts of awesome things will happen.
I kind of predicted this initially, ROOT doesn't mind having polarizing players, there's no one on ROOT who dislikes Nani or vice versa as far as I know, and he's friends with a few of them even. ROOT could probably use Naniwa as well. Not sure about how staying in Korea will work out though, but there is no team with a korean team alliance that would have him asside from Millenium. Well this is just speculation we'll have to see.
Also he'll be on real talk tonight!
ROOT doesn't have the funds to send him to tournaments and to give him a salary. I get a vibe from Naniwa that he's not very team oriented and ROOT is centered around teamwork and team spirit.
As of this publication, teams Complexity, Team Liquid, Fnatic, SK Gaming, Mousesports, and FXOpen are not bidding. Sources have one of NaNiwa’s former teams, Dignitas, as the most likely candidate, as NaNiwa still has a good relationship with Dignitas Owner Michael O’Dell. Evil Geniuses were looking to make a move themselves prior to his release, but did not come to terms with Quantic. They are said to be completely out of the running now.
As of this publication, teams Complexity, Team Liquid, Fnatic, SK Gaming, Mousesports, and FXOpen are not bidding. Sources have one of NaNiwa’s former teams, Dignitas, as the most likely candidate, as NaNiwa still has a good relationship with Dignitas Owner Michael O’Dell. Evil Geniuses were looking to make a move themselves prior to his release, but did not come to terms with Quantic. They are said to be completely out of the running now.
As of this publication, teams Complexity, Team Liquid, Fnatic, SK Gaming, Mousesports, and FXOpen are not bidding. Sources have one of NaNiwa’s former teams, Dignitas, as the most likely candidate, as NaNiwa still has a good relationship with Dignitas Owner Michael O’Dell. Evil Geniuses were looking to make a move themselves prior to his release, but did not come to terms with Quantic. They are said to be completely out of the running now.
Nice find. Although in Real Talk he said he will be teamless for a while and that he has an offer from one swedish companz who would send him to events. But actually that would be a start of a VERY sick team if that was true.
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