"Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall as the team’s title sponsor.
EVIL GENIUSES WELCOME RAIDCALL, A LEADING VOICE SOLUTION FOR GAMERS, AS THE TEAM’S TITLE SPONSOR
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – July 20th 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers, as the team’s title sponsor.
RaidCall is a high-quality, free, low-latency voice solution for gamers looking to enhance not only their teamwork, but their social experience within their favorite PC gaming titles. With no rental fees or system setups, RaidCall is one of the only cloud-based voice clients which allows for interaction between friends in and out of the game.
The RaidCall sponsorship of Evil Geniuses will not only allow the world-leading pro gaming team to enhance its roster across all game titles, but will open a new door in developing the brand on a global level, and increase the size and scope of EG’s popular Masters Cup Series (MCS) of tournaments.
“We’re very excited to announce RaidCall as Evil Geniuses’ Title Sponsor,” said Alexander Garfield, CEO of Evil Geniuses. “RaidCall is an excellent voice communication solution for gamers, and EG’s players are looking forward to enhancing their competitive experience by using RaidCall.”
“Today, we’re happy to announce that RaidCall becomes Evil Geniuses’ Title Sponsor. We have the utmost confidence that this partnership will greatly benefit both parties, and we’re looking forward to working with all these high-profile players and provide the best voice chatting experience to everyone,” said Arthur Sun, Marketing Manager of RaidCall. “Along with our partnership with EG, we hope to deliver a more interesting Masters Cup Series to you, where you’ll get chances to talk and chat with EG players, and get more involved in the streaming.”
Fans and aspiring pro gamers can expect to have live Q&A sessions, training opportunities, free tournaments, and more with EG’s pro players via Evil Geniuses’ new RaidCall presence. Expect more details in the coming weeks via EG’s Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/EvilGeniuses) and Twitter (@EvilGeniuses), and make sure to join EG’s first RaidCall group Q&A session on Tuesday, July 24th at 10 PM EST, which will feature Greg “IdrA” Fields and Geoff “iNcontroL” Robinson!
About Evil Geniuses Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses (Team EG) has grown to become a leading new media agency which specializes in sponsoring pro gamers, executing online and offline broadcasts, and developing unique marketing initiatives aimed at attracting and influencing gamers worldwide. With support from popular brands such as Intel, Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, and others, EG is North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports. Players and teams within EG, such as Justin “JWong” Wong, Greg “IdrA” Fields, and Clinton “Fear” Loomis, have brought home championship trophies from every major gaming tournament circuit in the world and continue to be influential leaders of gamers everywhere.
About RaidCall RaidCall is a specifically designed group communication tool, with extremely low-latency and crystal clear voice quality, and thus perfectly optimized for competitive gaming, club activities or online chats with friends. RaidCall is FREE, and amazingly resource-friendly. RaidCall is currently working with several top E-Sport organizations such as Fnatic and Evil Geniuses, and hosts online tournaments around the globe. Visit http://www.raidcall.com/ or our official Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/raidcall for more information.
RaidCall – Your Social Voice Network to Connect with The World."
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors?
(I kid... sort of.)
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
did it never cross your mind what the RC was in FnaticRC? lol
I don't understand RaidCall's business model. As far as I can tell, everything they offer is free and the MMO market is far more interested in this type of stuff than the eSports market. I've used RaidCall, I quite like it (though the interface needs 2012ing) and I'm glad they're supporting eSports so much, it's just a little odd.
I guess EG and fnatic now have a point of conflict between each other. Would be funny to have a team showmatch organized by RaidCall to see who is the better RC sponsored team.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Sponsors couldn't care less about results, aslong as "EG" is everywhere.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Well sponsors wants attention and EG is good at getting attention, even without winning tournaments. That's why sponsors go to EG.
What is raidcall by the way? Some kind of ventrilo/teamspeak?
On July 21 2012 07:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: I guess EG and fnatic now have a point of conflict between each other. Would be funny to have a team showmatch organized by RaidCall to see who is the better RC sponsored team.
I don't think we'd need to see Fnatic rip EG a new one
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Well sponsors wants attention and EG is good at getting attention, even without winning tournaments. That's why sponsors go to EG.
What is raidcall by the way? Some kind of ventrilo/teamspeak?
This but without dedicated servers, as far as I'm aware they host everything.
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors?
(I kid... sort of.)
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
did it never cross your mind what the RC was in FnaticRC? lol
On July 21 2012 07:43 Yaki wrote: "world leading pro gaming team". Why so arrogant EG ? I mean be humble a little especially given how bad your players's results are nowadays
You do know that they have more than a SC2 team right?
On July 21 2012 07:43 Yaki wrote: "world leading pro gaming team". Why so arrogant EG ? I mean be humble a little especially given how bad your players's results are nowadays
They are "world leading" in multiple ways, including sponsorship, promotion, popularity etc, and there's more games than SC2 (not that they're really dominating in any other title). Also it's a fucking press release, every company that's ever released a press release ever ALWAYS says "premier" or "leading" or "number one" etc.
On July 21 2012 07:43 Yaki wrote: "world leading pro gaming team". Why so arrogant EG ? I mean be humble a little especially given how bad your players's results are nowadays
Because they are leading as a team. Even if their results and players aren't as good as other teams(even though their results are downplayed heavily and actually aren't bad), they are doing better on the business side than any other team, hands down. As a team and business they actually are leading the world of pro gaming.
They also are much better in other genres of games, such as fighting. Justin is a badass, even if his showing at evo wasn't the best.
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors?
(I kid... sort of.)
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
Most stupid post i read on TL for weeks.. You should get warn or temp ban for this. Its not even trolling..
RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers,
Is there some evidence for this? I have no idea where to look for figures relevant to this claim.
Eh, that's probably just a marketing statement. Similar to what Ruscour said, in that "every company that's ever released a press release ever ALWAYS says "premier" or "leading" or "number one" etc.", so I wouldn't read too into the quality of the product itself from that single line.
RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers,
Is there some evidence for this? I have no idea where to look for figures relevant to this claim.
Who else but Nony to come in and be a bonerkill
Come on, there's a difference between being a bonerkill and asking a question about a product that, depending on the answer, might be of use to people like NonY.
Please, I really hope it wont be EGRC. For one if they dont know what it means, they will think its part of the team name like my friends did with fnatic.
On July 21 2012 08:01 HeeroFX wrote: That is really big. So do they all have to change there names to RCEG?
Incontrol said this was as big as Intel / Monster, so would be weird to see them change to RCEG if they didn't use EGMonster or something similar. Will probably just be a new "I want to thank our wonderful sponsors Intel Monster RaidCall Steelseries Kingston HyperX Beyond Gaming and Sapphire. Also check out our other sponsors at myeg.net"
It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
edit: oh, and EG didn't post it on this site. a forum user did. holding EG to your standards on their own website is kinda iffy.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
edit: oh, and EG didn't post it on this site. a forum user did. holding EG to your standards on their own website is kinda iffy.
Honestly, I think this is getting blown out of proportion by the use of the term "puffery", which I don't think is appropriately being used here. Although the argument against justifying things with puffery is completely legitimate. This is pretty standard marketing. They aren't saying they are #1 or even the leader, just leading, which could mean tons of things, it just sounds nice. Mumble, ventrilo, teamspeak and raidcall can all be leading the industry in innovating every aspect of VoiP services. Although the 'THE leading' does seem misleading, 'a leading' might have been more appropriate. If you search "leading low-latency voip" top 2 results are voip.ms and mumble.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
The OP is pretty shit for the reason that he did nothing but post an EG media statement with no discussion or anything else. The section with which you take issue is directly taken from that media statement. Hence my nonchalance towards the issue because I know that it's just the usual marketing bullshit. Standard EG, really.
I don't know how the fuck you draw the conclusion that everyone suddenly thinks puffery is an acceptable defence for nonsense claims in general posts, however. Pretty long bow, Nony.
On July 21 2012 07:07 NovemberstOrm wrote: About RaidCall RaidCall is a specifically designed group communication tool, with extremely low-latency and crystal clear voice quality, and thus perfectly optimized for competitive gaming, club activities or online chats with friends. RaidCall is FREE, and amazingly resource-friendly. RaidCall is currently working with several top E-Sport organizations such as Fnatic and Evil Geniuses, and hosts online tournaments around the globe. Visit http://www.raidcall.com/ or our official Facebook Page http://www.facebook.com/imraidcall for more information.
RaidCall – Your Social Voice Network to Connect with The World."
RaidCall as voice communication tool is severely lacking in settings and customisation departments, and claims about low-latency and crystal clear voice quality, according to my user experience, are bullshit.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
The OP is pretty shit for the reason that he did nothing but post an EG media statement with no discussion or anything else. The section with which you take issue is directly taken from that media statement. Hence my nonchalance towards the issue because I know that it's just the usual marketing bullshit. Standard EG, really.
I don't know how the fuck you draw the conclusion that everyone suddenly thinks puffery is an acceptable defence for nonsense claims in general posts, however. Pretty long bow, Nony.
I don't see why your pointing the gun at me, i'm just the messenger, lol.
On July 21 2012 08:51 Antoine wrote: I wonder in what metric RaidCall is first over all of TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Ventrilo. Is there any?
I dunno but raidcall links into games dynamically and the UI is displayed in game. Lots of games see it linking into the games graphics and assume its a hacker, hence the bans.
It is good to see EG continue to solidify their financial position, hopefully this means another Master's Cup, a few more EG players in Korea and maybe a few more pickups. EG, unlike a lot of other teams, has not really tried to nurture players from the ground up (look at complexity's academy or Quantic's acquisition of Vile for examples) and instead just grab the top players at the time. I want them to really try to get a few promising players and bring them into the Lair rather than just grab a hot player like Stephano or Illusion.
On July 21 2012 09:13 VPreboot wrote: It is good to see EG continue to solidify their financial position, hopefully this means another Master's Cup, a few more EG players in Korea and maybe a few more pickups. EG, unlike a lot of other teams, has not really tried to nurture players from the ground up (look at complexity's academy or Quantic's acquisition of Vile for examples) and instead just grab the top players at the time. I want them to really try to get a few promising players and bring them into the Lair rather than just grab a hot player like Stephano or Illusion.
Illusion not hot enough for EG. But he will likely get picked up when he wins something big. And then the EG curse like always
I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
I really dont know what to say to this. Are you saying that you take everything you read as a literal statement? Also "you lost your fucking minds" is a very valid defense, and makes me even more inclined to agree with you.
On July 21 2012 09:17 The Final Boss wrote: I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
i don't think EG will risk its relationship with Slayers--and by proxy other korean teams--over MMA. too much risk, and little benefit.
On July 21 2012 09:13 VPreboot wrote: It is good to see EG continue to solidify their financial position, hopefully this means another Master's Cup, a few more EG players in Korea and maybe a few more pickups. EG, unlike a lot of other teams, has not really tried to nurture players from the ground up (look at complexity's academy or Quantic's acquisition of Vile for examples) and instead just grab the top players at the time. I want them to really try to get a few promising players and bring them into the Lair rather than just grab a hot player like Stephano or Illusion.
Illusion not hot enough for EG. But he will likely get picked up when he wins something big. And then the EG curse like always
EG attempted to recruit Illusion already. He decided to go to quantic with his Vile teammates.
On July 21 2012 09:13 VPreboot wrote: It is good to see EG continue to solidify their financial position, hopefully this means another Master's Cup, a few more EG players in Korea and maybe a few more pickups. EG, unlike a lot of other teams, has not really tried to nurture players from the ground up (look at complexity's academy or Quantic's acquisition of Vile for examples) and instead just grab the top players at the time. I want them to really try to get a few promising players and bring them into the Lair rather than just grab a hot player like Stephano or Illusion.
Illusion not hot enough for EG. But he will likely get picked up when he wins something big. And then the EG curse like always
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
Should we call out Razer for saying their Razer Blade is "The World's First True Gaming Laptop" which is a very dubious claim? Am I supposed to trust Nazgul when he says Sudoku touch is the best sudoku game? Do you really think Red Bull gives you wings? Did you call them out on that when they invited you to their LAN to practice?
A team gaining a sponsor is very positive. Why belittle the sponsor? It's rather disingenuous to dissect a promotional statement looking for holes. Of course not all of it is fact, some of it is opinion, some of it are forward-looking statements. It's fair to assume that they believe they are the leading low-latency solution. Some people might agree, some people might disagree. I'm sure Razer thinks they make the best gaming hardware, whether that is backed by cold hard facts or not.
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors?
(I kid... sort of.)
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
Really? Subscribe to the Fnatic twitch. Every time it goes live, thousands of nerds get "FNATIC.RAIDCALL IS LIVE!" in their inboxes.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
To address without the puffery angle - I think the world is now so multimedia, and particularly so, within the eSports sphere, that claims like this are never taken at face value.
I understand how it can seem like needless self aggrandization, and turning TL into a platform for half truth and exaggeration, but I simply can't see anyone on TL reading that and not catching that the phrase is PR speak, and marketing. Excepting of course, those people whose mental capacity is so limited that they represent a totally unrealistic baseline for us to "hold ourselves to on the forums".
I'd rather see this kind of release come from the organisation, PR Speak intact and complete, rather than have it be edited by some third party to remove dubious claims of contentious importance. And I don't think TL, as huge as it is for starcraft, really has the kind of platform weight that would make a sponsor or organisation turn around and reword every press release for this one outlet.
pretty sure EG said they didnt want to sell their name like fnatic do a while back, so clearly they are backtracking on this to be able to afford stephanos salary on top of all their other players
I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
People are so quick, I never get to report anything...
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
People are so quick, I never get to report anything...
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
What are you talking about? You realize the OP is copying a press release from another source right? Do you also think MC should be banned for making the claim "I am the best protoss" in a GSL interview, or that the interview should be edited or removed? If no, enlighten me on the difference.
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
User was warned for this post
represent their sponsors well by having popular players advertise their products > get more sponsors > get more money > keep signing top players
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
User was warned for this post
as a team liquid hasnt won anything as a team iirc either (not detracting from TL)
since joining EG:
PuMa : NASL 2, some IEMS and stuff, high placings in MLGs, 2nd IEM WC, top 8 NASL 3
JYP: poor results admittedly but they havent gone down at least, 4th place HSC4, code S
IdrA: won an MLG, an IEM, an IPL, all late 2010 to early 2011, then late 2011 lots of top 16 (and two top 4's) at MLGs. 2012 has been bad for him but at least go top 4 WCS USA and won his group at HSC V.
Demuslim: won HSC, won other tourneys, beasted NASL 2 and NASL 3 to get to playoffs (only to lose their), 3rd IEM EU championships, 2nd WCS UK to a beast zerg in TvZ, and beat Nestea and other players in the recents MLGs.
ThorZaIN: just joined EG so doesnt have any recent achievments however has just won Dreamhack.
Incontrol, Machne, LZgamer, havent won anything but are skilled players, but still top of NA and great PR guys
PLUS, EG has the best buisness team for a westen esports team, and has the most superstars/(as in fan favorites) of any team including Huk (most famous canadian player) IdrA(most famous american) ThorZaIN(most famous Swede with Naniwa) and incontrol (big PR guy for EG and host/caster).
On the flip side TL has a great website but their palyers dont actually do much, aside from nony they arent on talkshows, they dont represent themselves well, nobody knew haypro till Liquid Rising, The only outgoing personality that i can think of is TLO. And they dont interview their koraens and players enough. EG has a whole youtube channel where they deliver content like Unburrowed and lots and lots of plyer interviews and are basically partnered with OneMoreGameTV where SirScoots is on LO3 and IdrA and Incontrol and their buddy Painuser (sometimes filled in by Machine or Demuslim) talk every week and INcontrol and sometimes idra are on state of the game.
On July 21 2012 07:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: I guess EG and fnatic now have a point of conflict between each other. Would be funny to have a team showmatch organized by RaidCall to see who is the better RC sponsored team.
I don't think we'd need to see Fnatic rip EG a new one
I remember a certain JYP getting a three-kill against Fnatic in a certain Korean teamleague. ;>
Seriously though, glad to see my favorite team getting a new big sponsor. :-D Good stuff!
Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
On July 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
It's funny how a name can poison the entire way you're perceived. I think there would be far less EG hate if their name was *evil* geniuses.
It makes them easier to hate when you can think of them as "the bad guys".
Im wondering how much money we talking about. Proberly shitloads but they gonna need it if the rumors of a major contract to a high profile player are true
On July 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
It's funny how a name can poison the entire way you're perceived. I think there would be far less EG hate if their name was *evil* geniuses.
It makes them easier to hate when you can think of them as "the bad guys".
I think people have always disliked the "big time, hollywood" mentality. I don't know about other sports, but in football (sawker to our Americans) people dislike teams with a big bank, buying the best players and winning championship using that method alone. It does leave a bad taste though doesn't it? If Stephano leaves Millenium - to EG which is probably the only team with a bank to acquire him - their only asset, then Millenium are probably going to crumble and disappear into obscurity.
On July 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
It's funny how a name can poison the entire way you're perceived. I think there would be far less EG hate if their name was *evil* geniuses.
It makes them easier to hate when you can think of them as "the bad guys".
I think people have always disliked the "big time, hollywood" mentality. I don't know about other sports, but in football (sawker to our Americans) people dislike teams with a big bank, buying the best players and winning championship using that method alone. It does leave a bad taste though doesn't it? If Stephano leaves Millenium - to EG which is probably the only team with a bank to acquire him - their only asset, then Millenium are probably going to crumble and disappear into obscurity.
a good analogy is the yankees, they might be the winning-est team in basball history but they basically just throw money at the best players to always have the best roster.
Always good to see more companies providing support for esports
On July 21 2012 12:00 Benjamin99 wrote: Im wondering how much money we talking about. Proberly shitloads but they gonna need it if the rumors of a major contract to a high profile player are true
On July 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
It's funny how a name can poison the entire way you're perceived. I think there would be far less EG hate if their name was *evil* geniuses.
It makes them easier to hate when you can think of them as "the bad guys".
I think people have always disliked the "big time, hollywood" mentality. I don't know about other sports, but in football (sawker to our Americans) people dislike teams with a big bank, buying the best players and winning championship using that method alone. It does leave a bad taste though doesn't it? If Stephano leaves Millenium - to EG which is probably the only team with a bank to acquire him - their only asset, then Millenium are probably going to crumble and disappear into obscurity.
No, Millenium is a very strong team. They got one of the biggest Esport sites in EU and got great players like Feast,Forgg. If they lose Stephano yea it would be a huge lose but they wont crumble and disappear into obscurity I can promise you that
On July 21 2012 12:24 8mmspikes wrote: Always good to see more companies providing support for esports
On July 21 2012 12:00 Benjamin99 wrote: Im wondering how much money we talking about. Proberly shitloads but they gonna need it if the rumors of a major contract to a high profile player are true
Where was this rumor started?
Pretty much since Stephano spend 2 weeks in the EG lair and then ofcourse Stephano latest interview with Slasher and Wheat. Nothing officially was sayd but it sure sounded like this was the case
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
O_O
It's marketing tactics. Legally, as we both agree, marketing does allow firms to stretch the boundaries on provided information. What do you want them to say?
I don't understand how it's "unacceptable" - EG is not the first to post full press releases on this forum (that contain overglamorous praises) nor will they be the last. Look at Liquid's sponsor page and you will see similar claims, although to a lesser extent.
Decided to post evidence:
The easiest way to organize your music.
Tagalicious uses advanced audio analysis technology to automatically correct the coverart and tags for your entire music collection. Quickly convert files and tracks with indecipherable names and labels to an organized library of songs.
Wow, really amazed at how good the voice software industry's doing.. i mean sponsoring Fnatic is one thing, but becoming title sponsor for EG... o.O. This pretty much means their financial contribution to the team is more than Intel's or Steelseries'. The only voice over internet company i would have thought able of such feats is Skype i guess. I think this is either a pretty big investment for RC or i really don't know shit about how much money this kind of software brings in.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
O_O
It's marketing tactics. Legally, as we both agree, marketing does allow firms to stretch the boundaries on provided information. What do you want them to say?
I don't understand how it's "unacceptable" - EG is not the first to post full press releases on this forum (that contain overglamorous praises) nor will they be the last. Look at Liquid's sponsor page and you will see similar claims, although to a lesser extent.
Tagalicious uses advanced audio analysis technology to automatically correct the coverart and tags for your entire music collection. Quickly convert files and tracks with indecipherable names and labels to an organized library of songs.
On July 21 2012 09:13 VPreboot wrote: It is good to see EG continue to solidify their financial position, hopefully this means another Master's Cup, a few more EG players in Korea and maybe a few more pickups. EG, unlike a lot of other teams, has not really tried to nurture players from the ground up (look at complexity's academy or Quantic's acquisition of Vile for examples) and instead just grab the top players at the time. I want them to really try to get a few promising players and bring them into the Lair rather than just grab a hot player like Stephano or Illusion.
I think they tried with Axslav/Strifecro... Axslav has been a pretty successful player even after being cut, while Strifecro not so much.
To be fair they're still trying to grow Machine/Lz/etc. - the thing is, why grow them if you can afford to buy them? Nurturing players doesn't do anything for the brand anyway, except in the 1/100 chance that one of them turns out to be very good. For every Thorzain/Stephano, there are 100 players that don't pan out.
More power to EG if they can afford them - sure it's like the NY Yankees, so it's understandable that people dislike them. But it's a winning model.
On July 21 2012 09:17 The Final Boss wrote: I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
i don't think EG will risk its relationship with Slayers--and by proxy other korean teams--over MMA. too much risk, and little benefit.
Quantic was able to split with IM and move on to join Quantic-StarTale. EG provides even more monetary incentives for Korean teams especially with this new sponsorship. And a player like MMA is not only a GSL champion, but he is incredibly popular in the foreign scene and Korea. I hate to say it, but SlayerS is sort of falling apart and EG might decide to abandon ship with them in order to pick up MMA and move along. That's just a theory of what could happen, they could also be getting ready to acquire Stephano, perhaps.
On July 21 2012 09:17 The Final Boss wrote: I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
i don't think EG will risk its relationship with Slayers--and by proxy other korean teams--over MMA. too much risk, and little benefit.
Quantic was able to split with IM and move on to join Quantic-StarTale. EG provides even more monetary incentives for Korean teams especially with this new sponsorship. And a player like MMA is not only a GSL champion, but he is incredibly popular in the foreign scene and Korea. I hate to say it, but SlayerS is sort of falling apart and EG might decide to abandon ship with them in order to pick up MMA and move along. That's just a theory of what could happen, they could also be getting ready to acquire Stephano, perhaps.
i was referring to the fact that they wont take a player from a korean team while the player is under contract--not that they would break a relationship with a team. there was that whole debacle before over whether EG was stealing players from korean teams and everyone was in an uproar.
On July 21 2012 09:17 The Final Boss wrote: I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
i don't think EG will risk its relationship with Slayers--and by proxy other korean teams--over MMA. too much risk, and little benefit.
Quantic was able to split with IM and move on to join Quantic-StarTale. EG provides even more monetary incentives for Korean teams especially with this new sponsorship. And a player like MMA is not only a GSL champion, but he is incredibly popular in the foreign scene and Korea. I hate to say it, but SlayerS is sort of falling apart and EG might decide to abandon ship with them in order to pick up MMA and move along. That's just a theory of what could happen, they could also be getting ready to acquire Stephano, perhaps.
SlayerS is sort of falling apart? They're in the GSTL semi-finals mostly without MMA playing - they're also in the winners final of IPL TAC3 I think? Ace players get demoted to B team, it's not entirely uncommon, hell, pretty sure ealier this year(or maybe last year) Fantasy was demoted to SKT1's B team because of poor results. It's not a sign of falling apart at all -___-
On July 21 2012 11:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Always nice to see the TL Forum's legendary maturity in their unambiguous support of the growth of the SC2 scene and the e-sport business.
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports.
It's funny how a name can poison the entire way you're perceived. I think there would be far less EG hate if their name was *evil* geniuses.
It makes them easier to hate when you can think of them as "the bad guys".
I think people have always disliked the "big time, hollywood" mentality. I don't know about other sports, but in football (sawker to our Americans) people dislike teams with a big bank, buying the best players and winning championship using that method alone. It does leave a bad taste though doesn't it? If Stephano leaves Millenium - to EG which is probably the only team with a bank to acquire him - their only asset, then Millenium are probably going to crumble and disappear into obscurity.
The analogy falls completely flat when you consider what other teams are actually paying these players.
Consider Thorzain and Stephano, both extremely top tier players who were/are considering leaving pro-SC2 entirely to pursue university education and a better career.
Consider Puma, who could easily be another "boring Korean" if EG hadn't covered his expenses to go to dozens of international tournaments. And now, according to people at live events, he's an extremely popular player.
We're not comparing a million dollar franchise to another million dollar franchise. We're comparing one profitable, mature business to ones that are just getting by. Whether you like it or not, EG is one of the very few organizations that allows players to pursue pro-gaming careers as actual careers.
Anyway EG won't pick up MMA, and if they tried they would make sure it's ok with SlayerS first, there's a lot of value in SlayerS outside of LG-IM, SlayerS are one of the most marketable Korean teams there are and their ability to bring no names out of the blue is close to unrivaled, you don't risk that relationship over signing a slumping player.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Well, results are important but I'm guessing not that much when you consider the sponsors. For example I know that Millenium is the team of Stephano, and Stephano is highly successful but I just can't name one Millenium sponsor. Nor can I for Fnatic or TeamEmpire or something. EG is very good at promoting their sponsors. I can name five maybe even more EG sponsors.
Results are great but even if theoretically you would be a very very good player, the competition is very high and it's really not possible to win or place high in tournaments when you consider Koreans. (Some exceptions like Stephano exist but that is because he is a very, very, very amazing player)
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
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why are you upset? they get sponsors because sponsors benefit from sponsoring eg.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
In typical nony fashion he will make a controversial statement that will be picked apart by the forum users only for him to ignore all of them and never respond. Then he might be asked about it on SoTG where he will assert that he is right and anyone who is wrong has "lost their fucking minds" or another beautiful and well thought out defense. And that will be the end of it. Same thing happened with disagreeing with dreamhack's map choices or basically almost any post he makes. It would be a lot better if you responded to people disagreeing with you directly, and, perhaps (maybe Im asking for too much here), without calling them names.
On July 21 2012 09:17 The Final Boss wrote: I wonder if EG picking up RaidCall will be the team's first move at moving away from SlayerS and trying to acquire MMA. If MMA leaves SlayerS on rather controversial grounds, EG may not really be able to pick him up without getting rid of their partnership with SlayerS; this might help give them even more financial support possibly to start their own EG team house in Korea if EG-SlayerS falls apart. But this awesome news, great to see more sponsors for the StarCraft scene.
i don't think EG will risk its relationship with Slayers--and by proxy other korean teams--over MMA. too much risk, and little benefit.
Quantic was able to split with IM and move on to join Quantic-StarTale. EG provides even more monetary incentives for Korean teams especially with this new sponsorship. And a player like MMA is not only a GSL champion, but he is incredibly popular in the foreign scene and Korea. I hate to say it, but SlayerS is sort of falling apart and EG might decide to abandon ship with them in order to pick up MMA and move along. That's just a theory of what could happen, they could also be getting ready to acquire Stephano, perhaps.
They could pick up MMA. And potentially try and make a semi partnership so he could stay in the liquid house, after all huk is there, and mma seems like a friendly guy so i doubt this would be a problem from liquid side.
This is great news! :D Although everytime i hear the name RaidCall I can't help but think of the bug spray "Raid" and think that EG is sponsoring Bug repellent >.< lol
Welp the rich get richer. I don't like some of the decisions they have made, but they know how to make esports into a good business. Nicely done by eg!
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
Huh? What is written on a forum is held to the standards of the forum. If it is a creative-writing or fiction forum, then what you say may be right and we should just consider what's written is terms of prose or poetic beauty, and ignore what is actually claimed. However, last time I checked, the Starcraft 2 forum is not the Starcraft 2 Poetry Club. No one gets a free pass to produce lies without being called out, that's a part of the democratic element of a forum.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
Huh? What is written on a forum is held to the standards of the forum. If it is a creative-writing or fiction forum, then what you say may be right and we should just consider what's written is terms of prose or poetic beauty, and ignore what is actually claimed. However, last time I checked, the Starcraft 2 forum is not the Starcraft 2 Poetry Club. No one gets a free pass to produce lies without being called out, that's a part of the democratic element of a forum.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
Huh? What is written on a forum is held to the standards of the forum. If it is a creative-writing or fiction forum, then what you say may be right and we should just consider what's written is terms of prose or poetic beauty, and ignore what is actually claimed. However, last time I checked, the Starcraft 2 forum is not the Starcraft 2 Poetry Club. No one gets a free pass to produce lies without being called out, that's a part of the democratic element of a forum.
What lies?
I haven't claimed people have lied, I said "no one gets a free pass to produce lies without being called out". An argument likening forum posters/readers to consumers, and so talking about legal matters applying in that domain, is bullshit.
Is raidcall the free vent-like program raidcalls only product? If so I must admit I'm slightly confused as to how they can afford to sponsor 2 big teams like EG and fnatic when their main product is free, where do they get their revenue?
Does this mean a new team shirt/jersey? If it's a major sponsor presumably that means it'd go on the shirts and their current shit design doesn't have room to add another logo lol..
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
Huh? What is written on a forum is held to the standards of the forum. If it is a creative-writing or fiction forum, then what you say may be right and we should just consider what's written is terms of prose or poetic beauty, and ignore what is actually claimed. However, last time I checked, the Starcraft 2 forum is not the Starcraft 2 Poetry Club. No one gets a free pass to produce lies without being called out, that's a part of the democratic element of a forum.
i dont think you have been following the conversation.
On July 22 2012 11:58 SirPinky wrote: Please explain this to me like I'm a six year old.
Any sponsors for e-sports are awesome sponsors and I'm 100% for it. But what distinguishes RaidCall from programs like Ventrillo and Skype?
I have only used it a couple of times, so I'm no expert. However, there are some things I noticed. Its free to use the voice chat, just like skype. Only you can actually have more than 5-6 people on it without it starting to lag which always happens to me on skype. Its basically like a ventrillo where you don't rent out your own server that you pay for, rather you use theirs.
On July 22 2012 11:58 SirPinky wrote: Please explain this to me like I'm a six year old.
Any sponsors for e-sports are awesome sponsors and I'm 100% for it. But what distinguishes RaidCall from programs like Ventrillo and Skype?
They spent the money to sponsor eg? That would be the big one.
I think the big one is that it is free and the amount of space it takes up is less than ventrilo and certainly less than skype. Skype you can't have a lot of people in the call, so that takes out mmo clans that use VOP software to communicate.
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win?
What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33
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Its not always about showing results. I mean I know more about EG players than any other team by all the coverage they do.
It seems like there's a lot of people that have no idea how long EG has actually been in existence. I remember when they were a canadian only 1.6 team! oh how things have changed..
I send RC an email to thank them for sponsoring EG and they actually replied, and said that they really appreciated my email! It's probably just some email machine, but just the fact that they took the time to set it up is pretty cool I think.
Congratulations EG! Glad to see that you know how to create value with your team and players! It does more for eSports than people realize. Major props to you Mr. Garfield for really kicking ass!
EG has a Dota 2 team. Today they used the tag EG.PlayerName[RC] too. Not sure if its a permanent thing or just a showing of appreciation for the sponsorship.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
I think they're generally more consistent than any other team (with the exception of stephano winning everything for millenium), and the oddball player personalities make the team interesting.
The most important thing is that EVERYONE knows who EG and their sponsors are.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
I think they're generally more consistent than any other team (with the exception of stephano winning everything for millenium), and the oddball player personalities make the team interesting.
The most important thing is that EVERYONE knows who EG and their sponsors are.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
I think they're generally more consistent than any other team (with the exception of stephano winning everything for millenium), and the oddball player personalities make the team interesting.
The most important thing is that EVERYONE knows who EG and their sponsors are.
I respectfully disagree with the part in bold.
I too disagree with the bold part. They were posting good results last year. Ever since 2012 started, they havn't done well in any team leagues though.
I do agree that just about everyone knows who the sponsers are for EG as well as know all the players. I find it difficult to remember all the members in a team besides EG.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
all i think of is the sotg episode where they talked of sponsors and used how if EG had raidcall like fnatic did you could make sure they would know what it means.... 6 months later lol bam
On July 24 2012 14:00 iiGreetings wrote: all i think of is the sotg episode where they talked of sponsors and used how if EG had raidcall like fnatic did you could make sure they would know what it means.... 6 months later lol bam
That was actually MouzCC that they were talking about I think? I remember that episode though.
So some company, who isn't as good as they say they are, are sponsoring a team that also isn't as good as they say they are. Great news ^^
(sorry for EG hate)
EG isn't just Starcraft 2 you know..believe it or not they have amazing teams in other games, like their fighting game division and DotA 2 team. as a whole EG is quite successful
On July 24 2012 16:57 ReboundEU wrote: Sponsor here, sponsor there.
I want to see the results /finalproduct
How about EG being in the International 2, winning various online DotA 2 tourneys over the past few months, having Justin Wong/Ricky Ortiz placing highly in many competitions, Justin qualifying for SBO and being one of the US's representatives? Like it or not, I call those results for EG.
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors?
(I kid... sort of.)
(I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.)
you watch GSL? ever heard a fnatic player intro: fnatic raid call rain ? for example ... gratz to EG tho will be interesting
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
lol. the basis for puffery is that a reasonable consumer would understand that it is bullshit, and so its not legally enforceable. so, the gist of your statement is that tl.net forum readers (who should be marginally technically savvy) are less intelligent than a reasonable consumer and need to be coddled like children. if that is what tl.net is turning into, they truly have lost their fucking minds.
edit: oh, and EG didn't post it on this site. a forum user did. holding EG to your standards on their own website is kinda iffy.
Really guys... I will tell you a secret, there is a lot of retarded shit going on in this world because people that earn money have realized you can do it. It does not stop it from being retarded and there is no reason why we should lower ourselves to that level.
We are the future of this world, we should aim to improve it, not accept shit because it used to be there.
Anyway this is getting off topic, gratz to EG. More companies in esport = good.
--- Intro no.1 --- "Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall as the team’s title sponsor.
--- Intro no.2 --- EVIL GENIUSES WELCOME RAIDCALL, A LEADING VOICE SOLUTION FOR GAMERS, AS THE TEAM’S TITLE SPONSOR
--- Intro no.3 --- SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – July 20th 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers, as the team’s title sponsor.
On July 24 2012 18:54 JonoMac wrote: --- Intro no.1 --- "Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall as the team’s title sponsor.
--- Intro no.2 --- EVIL GENIUSES WELCOME RAIDCALL, A LEADING VOICE SOLUTION FOR GAMERS, AS THE TEAM’S TITLE SPONSOR
--- Intro no.3 --- SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – July 20th 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers, as the team’s title sponsor.
Got bored and stopped reading after that..
What an informative post, it's almost as if you could skim past that.
Why is this getting a news on the TL main site, but Tod's departure from Fnatic (which is much more important than reading something about the PREMIER PROFESSIONAL WORLD-LEADING gaming team) isn't?
Well everytime they have to present something it is IdrA and incontrol who are presenting. So this is no surprise, why do they get so many good sponsors. As long as IdrA and Geoff will have popularity, sponsors won't be problem for EG. Simple logic
On July 24 2012 18:54 JonoMac wrote: --- Intro no.1 --- "Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall as the team’s title sponsor.
--- Intro no.2 --- EVIL GENIUSES WELCOME RAIDCALL, A LEADING VOICE SOLUTION FOR GAMERS, AS THE TEAM’S TITLE SPONSOR
--- Intro no.3 --- SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. – July 20th 2012. – Today Evil Geniuses (EG), North America’s premier professional gaming team and a world leader in e-Sports, is excited to announce RaidCall, the leading low-latency voice solution for gamers, as the team’s title sponsor.
Got bored and stopped reading after that..
What an informative post, it's almost as if you could skim past that.
On July 21 2012 07:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: I guess EG and fnatic now have a point of conflict between each other. Would be funny to have a team showmatch organized by RaidCall to see who is the better RC sponsored team.
I don't think we'd need to see Fnatic rip EG a new one
^Exactly this.
I like a lot of people on EG, but their results have been AWFUL lately. HuK is the only person reeling anything in lately and he's been slumping, too.
EG is a lot like the Washington Redskins of eSPORTS. They are not getting good results, but they have probably the most successful business side of any team out there.
On July 21 2012 07:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: I guess EG and fnatic now have a point of conflict between each other. Would be funny to have a team showmatch organized by RaidCall to see who is the better RC sponsored team.
I don't think we'd need to see Fnatic rip EG a new one
^Exactly this.
I like a lot of people on EG, but their results have been AWFUL lately. HuK is the only person reeling anything in lately and he's been slumping, too.
EG is a lot like the Washington Redskins of eSPORTS. They are not getting good results, but they have probably the most successful business side of any team out there.
So that three-kill JYP scored against Fnatic is already old news?
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
Why so serious..? Welcome to 2012. Tons of companies use vague bullshit statements like this, what's the big deal? Most sponsorship announcement posts here have similar puffery. Anyone with half a brain isn't taking it literally, no more than a chick is going to really believe half the brags some bro hitting on her in the bar makes.
One can look to Teamliquid's own sponsors to find puffery. From TLs sponors page "Tagalicious The easiest way to organize your music." So, where's the proof that their product is the "easiest"? No more proof that RC is "leading".
The world is full of boasts and bullshit, we're arrogant and prideful creatures, I hardly think a tiny harmless bit of hot air like this is such a pressing issue we need to rise up against when theres things that actually matter going on. Guess I just "lost my fucking mind" though, classy, I'd like proof of that statement please, a written and signed doctor's assetment perhaps
On July 25 2012 01:29 darkest44 wrote: One can look to Teamliquid's own sponsors to find puffery. From TLs sponors page "Tagalicious The easiest way to organize your music." So, where's the proof that their product is the "easiest"?
On their own website, yes.
Nobody is trying to change the nature of marketing (as obnoxious as the nature of marketing is), just to prevent TL's community forums from becoming a glorified ad board.
Then again, if TL has all but given up on its proclaimed standards and press releases on a business arrangement between two companies now make it into "community news", complaining about it seems pretty futile at this point.
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor.
The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them.
edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds.
Why so serious..? Welcome to 2012. Tons of companies use vague bullshit statements like this, what's the big deal? Most sponsorship announcement posts here have similar puffery. Anyone with half a brain isn't taking it literally, no more than a chick is going to really believe half the brags some bro hitting on her in the bar makes.
One can look to Teamliquid's own sponsors to find puffery. From TLs sponors page "Tagalicious The easiest way to organize your music." So, where's the proof that their product is the "easiest"? No more proof that RC is "leading".
The world is full of boasts and bullshit, we're arrogant and prideful creatures, I hardly think a tiny harmless bit of hot air like this is such a pressing issue we need to rise up against when theres things that actually matter going on. Guess I just "lost my fucking mind" though, classy, I'd like proof of that statement please, a written and signed doctor's assetment perhaps
If you cant be relevant by results, try to be relevant by being controversial.
On July 25 2012 04:36 Sein wrote: Are some people actually so offended by "a leading", "premier", "a world leader" or are they just looking for something to pick on?
the second option most likely, just like the post above yours
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Sponsors couldn't care less about results, aslong as "EG" is everywhere.
the other thing is...EG isn't only into starcraft 2...
when talkign about gaming, EG marn and EG Justin Wong are some of the msot popular names out there.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
Sponsors couldn't care less about results, aslong as "EG" is everywhere.
the other thing is...EG isn't only into starcraft 2...
when talkign about gaming, EG marn and EG Justin Wong are some of the msot popular names out there.
I'm sensing some animosity from Nony towards EG, just me? or is there a reason for this? To me this sounds like good news. EG's got some more help that they will then use to give back to players / team / tournaments they host. The scene gains that much more legitimacy and everyone wins. Is this a bad thing? I don't understand.
On July 25 2012 06:48 Leth0 wrote: I'm sensing some animosity from Nony towards EG, just me? or is there a reason for this? To me this sounds like good news. EG's got some more help that they will then use to give back to players / team / tournaments they host. The scene gains that much more legitimacy and everyone wins. Is this a bad thing? I don't understand.
Tyler has never liked EG, it's been pretty clear, even in EGMC first SC2 season, Tyler threw a fit and blamed EG that Liquid wasn't participating, even though it was clearly Liquid's choice (they didn't want to play by EG's rules, which all other teams agreed to, regarding server lag). Other incidents too, including when he said he would never join EG.... can't think of others off the top of my head at the moment.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
You know Zenio, Hero, Taeja, and Hero haven't made all their prize money while just on TL as well right? Did the math and about $27,000 should be axed from their total just like you did with EG. Kinda funny that you proceeded to do that for EG but not for TL.
I sincerely hope this doesn't come off as shitting on this thread but I am wondering if a new sub forum (something like 'eSports' or 'Teams/Players') should be created for these types of announcements. This announcement (which I'm sure plenty of people are interested in) has almost no relevance to SC2 and there seems to be a lot of these types of announcements cluttering up the SC2 General forum these days along with "So-and-so switches teams" types of posts.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
You know Zenio, Hero, Taeja, and Hero haven't made all their prize money while just on TL as well right? Did the math and about $27,000 should be axed from their total just like you did with EG. Kinda funny that you proceeded to do that for EG but not for TL.
I didn't bother to calculate that because I was calculating EG's rank, not Liquid's. I only even brought up Liquid's rank because it was the rank they would take with their adjusted winnings, meaning they would be higher than Liquid. I was only calculating EG's rank. I don't honestly care about the EG/Liquid rivalry, but you shouldn't count any contributions that came from other teams.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
You know Zenio, Hero, Taeja, and Hero haven't made all their prize money while just on TL as well right? Did the math and about $27,000 should be axed from their total just like you did with EG. Kinda funny that you proceeded to do that for EG but not for TL.
I didn't bother to calculate that because I was calculating EG's rank, not Liquid's. I only even brought up Liquid's rank because it was the rank they would take with their adjusted winnings, meaning they would be higher than Liquid. I was only calculating EG's rank. I don't honestly care about the EG/Liquid rivalry, but you shouldn't count any contributions that came from other teams.
People like you who even bother calculating and arguing this stuff are killing esports. move on
Basically RaidCall is the Skype of asian gamers. It uses way less ressources but it's really not an issues for most western gamers.
It's really not that bad of a software, tho. Actually, it looks like it lags a lot less frequently than skype.
If you have a good ventrilo or ts server, don't bother. If you don't, you could give this a try. Let's show the world that if something sponsors eSport, that we give them all the love back. Who know? Maybe TeamSpeak, Ventrilo or Skype will sponsors TL if RaidCall suddenly gain a lot of NA or EU users.
On July 25 2012 04:36 Sein wrote: Are some people actually so offended by "a leading", "premier", "a world leader" or are they just looking for something to pick on?
It's just dumb that you have to read through this every fucking time EG posts a fart. This time even twice.
On July 25 2012 04:36 Sein wrote: Are some people actually so offended by "a leading", "premier", "a world leader" or are they just looking for something to pick on?
It's just dumb that you have to read through this every fucking time EG posts a fart. This time even twice.
Not interested in a thread related to eg? I have a solution, don't open it!!! I mean, you just need to read the title to get what is going on. There is nothing like "i have to read" here.
Dallas cowboys are the highest valued sports franchise in the US, the second in the World. They have not won the superbowl since 1995. Whether you like it or not EG is certainly the highest valued Esports organization in the US and is certainly near the very top of the world. Esports is more than SC2 and EG has been at the forefront of the NA scene since CGS and has been in existence for over a decade. From what I know of their monster sponsorship this one must be massive to have purchased the title sponsorship, what this means is that EG will be likely to pick up some new players (Suppy already announced) and they may seek out teams in more games than they currently have. This type of sponsorship is good for everyone and anyone angry about the nomenclature EG uses in their press releases needs a reality check.
On July 25 2012 10:29 MrSexington wrote: /me just realized that his $50 EG hoody that arrived in the mail today is out of date.
/me cries.
Yeah I hear that.. appreciate your support and just know nobody will look at the list of sponsors on your jersey and know that 1 is missing except you ;(
If I see you I owe you a big hug or hand shake or w/e floats your boat <3
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
You know Zenio, Hero, Taeja, and Hero haven't made all their prize money while just on TL as well right? Did the math and about $27,000 should be axed from their total just like you did with EG. Kinda funny that you proceeded to do that for EG but not for TL.
I didn't bother to calculate that because I was calculating EG's rank, not Liquid's. I only even brought up Liquid's rank because it was the rank they would take with their adjusted winnings, meaning they would be higher than Liquid. I was only calculating EG's rank. I don't honestly care about the EG/Liquid rivalry, but you shouldn't count any contributions that came from other teams.
You still can't chop off EG's total and put them at 7th, when you haven't done that same "normalization" to every single team. If you do it with every team, then they are obviously going to be higher than 7th.
On July 25 2012 10:29 Xalorian wrote: Basically RaidCall is the Skype of asian gamers. It uses way less ressources but it's really not an issues for most western gamers.
It's really not that bad of a software, tho. Actually, it looks like it lags a lot less frequently than skype.
If you have a good ventrilo or ts server, don't bother. If you don't, you could give this a try. Let's show the world that if something sponsors eSport, that we give them all the love back. Who know? Maybe TeamSpeak, Ventrilo or Skype will sponsors TL if RaidCall suddenly gain a lot of NA or EU users.
I could definitely use a program that uses up less resources. Every one of my SC2 settings are turned down to the lowest possible =( I envy my friends who have 10 tabs open on their browser, skype, steam and still ultra settings on SC2.
Never had a problem with lag or delay on skype though. Vent, however, was pretty bad. It was annoying to hear my housemate's voice across the wall first and then echoing through Vent a moment later.
The next master's cup should be interesting. I like that they're going for more fan-player interactivity. How they will manage that should be interesting.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
Haters, is all. People who don't matter, in other words.
On July 21 2012 07:09 sickoota wrote: Damn man the bussiness side of EG must be sick they keep getting sponsors despite horrendous results and polarizing (at best) personalities.
agreed
Seconded. But we have to remember that eg is in esports as well, so its not just the sc2 branch getting sponsored.
You say polarizing like it would have a negative effect on marketing. Half the community may hate him, but that hasn't stopped them from obsessing over everything IdrA says or does.
Yeah, it's like Fox News or Howard Stern. People who like it listen to it, but The Daily Show pays more attention to Fox News than anyone else, and people who dislike Stern are way more likely to jump on anything he does than the people who don't absolutely love his show.
you really went in-depth with your brain fart there.
anyways, whats all the hate for eg about? so idra, incontrol and machine are worthless progamers and Huk dosent win every tournament? they still have the best results of any foreign team, period.
You can subtract ~$50000 from Puma's winnings when he was on TSL, ~$45000 from Thorzain's and ~$26,000 from Huk's. So we'll call that -$120000, putting their total winnings at about $225,020, so like the 7th highest team? Liquid is at 8th with $221,620.
You know Zenio, Hero, Taeja, and Hero haven't made all their prize money while just on TL as well right? Did the math and about $27,000 should be axed from their total just like you did with EG. Kinda funny that you proceeded to do that for EG but not for TL.
I didn't bother to calculate that because I was calculating EG's rank, not Liquid's. I only even brought up Liquid's rank because it was the rank they would take with their adjusted winnings, meaning they would be higher than Liquid. I was only calculating EG's rank. I don't honestly care about the EG/Liquid rivalry, but you shouldn't count any contributions that came from other teams.
It makes your calculation completely irrelevant though, since you didn't do the calculations for all the other teams you can't arbitrarily place them at rank 7 when you haven't done the same to the rest of the teams you're comparing their winnings against.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
I wonder if EG should keep there gaming house in Arizona. Like there is no doubt that they have many highly skilled/talent players but I think the amount of evidence pointing against that it is a bad to train in NA is starting to be overwhelming.
I mean Sase and Naniwa for instance complains a lot about the EU ladder, they think there opponents frequently are to weak in order for them to get maximum efficiency out of their training time. As far as I heard is this problem a lot greater in NA. You do not need to be a genius to realize that playing against players that are worse then yourself is not going to improve your skill level, specially in SC2 as it is a game which is really hard to improve in without good opponents.
I mean does not all EG players pretty much have SC2 as there full time job? Could they not live anywhere? I mean people study abroad for many years all the time, why cannot SC2 players do the same? Seems very inefficient to have the house in Arizona.
It does not necessarily need to be in Korea, as Korea I think is hard county to live/adept to in a more long term perspective. Most players use Korea as bootcamp, they go in train hard and go away after 1-2 months. Further I think for some players like Idra, Korea might be bad. Cause Idra is the sort of player that do not handle loses very well and Idras skill level is highly related to his mental state rather then his actual max skill level.
Hell have house in northern EU instead. Make EU a hub for SC2 esport and make the EU ladder even more competitive. Good for foreign scene and thus good for Esport ^^
On July 26 2012 21:19 4ZakeN87 wrote: I wonder if EG should keep there gaming house in Arizona though. Like there is no doubt that they have many highly skilled/talent players but I think the amount of evidence pointing against that it is a bad to train in NA is starting to be overwhelming.
I mean Sase and Naniwa for instance complains a lot about the EU ladder, they think there opponents frequently are to weak in order for them to get maximum efficiency out of their training time. As far as I heard is this problem is a lot greater in NA. You do not need to be a genius to realize that playing against players that are worse then yourself is not going to improve your skill level, specially in SC2 as it is a game which is really hard to improve in without good opponents.
I mean does not all EG players pretty much have SC2 as there full time job? Could they not live anywhere? I mean people study abroad for many years all the time, why cannot SC2 players do the same? Seems very inefficient to have the house in Arizona.
It does not necessarily need to be in Korea, as Korea I think is hard county to live/adept to in a more long term perspective. Most players use Korea as bootcamp, they go in train hard and go away after 1-2 months. Further I think for some players like Idra, Korea might be bad. Cause Idra is the sort of player that do not handle loses very well and Idras skill level is highly related to his mental state rather then his actual max skill level.
Hell have house in northern EU instead. Make EU a hub for SC2 esport and make the EU ladder even more competitive. Good for foreign scene and thus good for Esport ^^
I guess the only real response I can think of is that we live in a globalized world. It really doesn't matter if your house is in Arizona, Korea, or Egypt. As long as you have a decent connection strength, you should be able to play on every server. NA to KR lag can be bad during peak KR hours, I won't doubt that. But you don't exactly plan owning a house based around that. Houses cost money. Not to mention if you wish to buy a house in a country, and then live there for years without end, you typically need to be a citizen of the country.
But yeah, no one will buy a $200,000+ house in Europe just to make the European ladder have a higher EG presence.
On July 26 2012 21:19 4ZakeN87 wrote: I wonder if EG should keep there gaming house in Arizona though. Like there is no doubt that they have many highly skilled/talent players but I think the amount of evidence pointing against that it is a bad to train in NA is starting to be overwhelming.
I mean Sase and Naniwa for instance complains a lot about the EU ladder, they think there opponents frequently are to weak in order for them to get maximum efficiency out of their training time. As far as I heard is this problem is a lot greater in NA. You do not need to be a genius to realize that playing against players that are worse then yourself is not going to improve your skill level, specially in SC2 as it is a game which is really hard to improve in without good opponents.
I mean does not all EG players pretty much have SC2 as there full time job? Could they not live anywhere? I mean people study abroad for many years all the time, why cannot SC2 players do the same? Seems very inefficient to have the house in Arizona.
It does not necessarily need to be in Korea, as Korea I think is hard county to live/adept to in a more long term perspective. Most players use Korea as bootcamp, they go in train hard and go away after 1-2 months. Further I think for some players like Idra, Korea might be bad. Cause Idra is the sort of player that do not handle loses very well and Idras skill level is highly related to his mental state rather then his actual max skill level.
Hell have house in northern EU instead. Make EU a hub for SC2 esport and make the EU ladder even more competitive. Good for foreign scene and thus good for Esport ^^
I guess the only real response I can think of is that we live in a globalized world. It really doesn't matter if your house is in Arizona, Korea, or Egypt. As long as you have a decent connection strength, you should be able to play on every server. NA to KR lag can be bad during peak KR hours, I won't doubt that. But you don't exactly plan owning a house based around that. Houses cost money. Not to mention if you wish to buy a house in a country, and then live there for years without end, you typically need to be a citizen of the country.
But yeah, no one will buy a $200,000+ house in Europe just to make the European ladder have a higher EG presence.
Well I am not sure. I study at the university of Uppsala (north of Stockholm) and I recently finished my master degree there. Out of 160 students in my master program were 9 swedish. Meaning that 151 were from abroad. Mostly China, India and US but also countries like Iran and Nepal. Most of these people lived in Sweden for 2-3 years without any problems, not to mention PhD students that live here for 4-6 years. So it seems to be working very well for for university students at least.
And regarding the lags I guess they are fairly severe as both EU and NA players rarely play on the KR servers because of it. Also they apparently find it troubling enough to send their players to live in Korea frequently.
Sure there are some costs but you do not need to buy a house, you rent it. I mean a large house in Sweden somewhere close to a big city maybe cost like 1000-1500$ a month to rent. I think EG could afford that. Like my parents they rent out a house with maybe 100+ m2 that have 24mbit connection in the middle of nowhere, and I think the people that rent it pays like 800$ a month.
So no of course EG would never rent a house in EU just to improve the EU ladder. However I think renting a house and living in EU could be beneficial for EG. Improving the EU ladder and overall the foreign scene would just be a positive side effect.
On July 26 2012 21:19 4ZakeN87 wrote: I wonder if EG should keep there gaming house in Arizona though. Like there is no doubt that they have many highly skilled/talent players but I think the amount of evidence pointing against that it is a bad to train in NA is starting to be overwhelming.
I mean Sase and Naniwa for instance complains a lot about the EU ladder, they think there opponents frequently are to weak in order for them to get maximum efficiency out of their training time. As far as I heard is this problem is a lot greater in NA. You do not need to be a genius to realize that playing against players that are worse then yourself is not going to improve your skill level, specially in SC2 as it is a game which is really hard to improve in without good opponents.
I mean does not all EG players pretty much have SC2 as there full time job? Could they not live anywhere? I mean people study abroad for many years all the time, why cannot SC2 players do the same? Seems very inefficient to have the house in Arizona.
It does not necessarily need to be in Korea, as Korea I think is hard county to live/adept to in a more long term perspective. Most players use Korea as bootcamp, they go in train hard and go away after 1-2 months. Further I think for some players like Idra, Korea might be bad. Cause Idra is the sort of player that do not handle loses very well and Idras skill level is highly related to his mental state rather then his actual max skill level.
Hell have house in northern EU instead. Make EU a hub for SC2 esport and make the EU ladder even more competitive. Good for foreign scene and thus good for Esport ^^
I guess the only real response I can think of is that we live in a globalized world. It really doesn't matter if your house is in Arizona, Korea, or Egypt. As long as you have a decent connection strength, you should be able to play on every server. NA to KR lag can be bad during peak KR hours, I won't doubt that. But you don't exactly plan owning a house based around that. Houses cost money. Not to mention if you wish to buy a house in a country, and then live there for years without end, you typically need to be a citizen of the country.
But yeah, no one will buy a $200,000+ house in Europe just to make the European ladder have a higher EG presence.
Well I am not sure. I study at the university of Uppsala (north of Stockholm) and I recently finished my master degree there. Out of 160 students in my master program were 9 swedish. Meaning that 151 were from abroad. Mostly China, India and US but also countries like Iran and Nepal. Most of these people lived in Sweden for 2-3 years without any problems, not to mention PhD students that live here for 4-6 years. So it seems to be working very well for for university students at least.
And regarding the lags I guess they are fairly severe as both EU and NA players rarely play on the KR servers because of it. Also they apparently find it troubling enough to send their players to live in Korea frequently.
Sure there are some costs but you do not need to buy a house, you rent it. I mean a large house in Sweden somewhere close to a big city maybe cost like 1000-1500$ a month to rent. I think EG could afford that. Like my parents they rent out a house with maybe 100+ m2 that have 24mbit connection in the middle of nowhere, and I think the people that rent it pays like 800$ a month.
So no of course EG would never rent a house in EU just to improve the EU ladder. However I think renting a house and living in EU could be beneficial for EG. Improving the EU ladder and overall the foreign scene would just be a positive side effect.
Swedish student visas for non-EU citizens, sign your name on some papers for EU-citizens.
I'm pretty sure none of EG are studying but Suppy, and he's staying in Berkeley, and none of EG heralds from a member state of the European Union. Student visas are a lot easier to get than work visas, which are both significantly easier to get than Swedish residence permits, which you require if you're staying in Sweden for longer than 3 months. Not to mention selling E-Sports to a Migration Board as a valid reason to stay in Sweden for 2-3 years would probably be difficult.
I'm sure most or all other members of the European Union have similar/the same laws regarding these things. It would be a nightmare on all levels, and this actually does seem like it's all about getting them onto the EU ladder/vs. EU players more often. There's probably better options for exposing the team to good Euro players more often.
If anything, having what pretty much amounts to THE gaming house in the USA means that when Europeans compete in tournaments, they could potentially spend time at the house in Arizona before the event, as Stephano did before MLG Spring Champs.
Getting them into contact with higher level European players is obviously a great idea, and a good goal. It's just an impractical way of accomplishing that goal.
On July 26 2012 21:19 4ZakeN87 wrote: I wonder if EG should keep there gaming house in Arizona though. Like there is no doubt that they have many highly skilled/talent players but I think the amount of evidence pointing against that it is a bad to train in NA is starting to be overwhelming.
I mean Sase and Naniwa for instance complains a lot about the EU ladder, they think there opponents frequently are to weak in order for them to get maximum efficiency out of their training time. As far as I heard is this problem is a lot greater in NA. You do not need to be a genius to realize that playing against players that are worse then yourself is not going to improve your skill level, specially in SC2 as it is a game which is really hard to improve in without good opponents.
I mean does not all EG players pretty much have SC2 as there full time job? Could they not live anywhere? I mean people study abroad for many years all the time, why cannot SC2 players do the same? Seems very inefficient to have the house in Arizona.
It does not necessarily need to be in Korea, as Korea I think is hard county to live/adept to in a more long term perspective. Most players use Korea as bootcamp, they go in train hard and go away after 1-2 months. Further I think for some players like Idra, Korea might be bad. Cause Idra is the sort of player that do not handle loses very well and Idras skill level is highly related to his mental state rather then his actual max skill level.
Hell have house in northern EU instead. Make EU a hub for SC2 esport and make the EU ladder even more competitive. Good for foreign scene and thus good for Esport ^^
I guess the only real response I can think of is that we live in a globalized world. It really doesn't matter if your house is in Arizona, Korea, or Egypt. As long as you have a decent connection strength, you should be able to play on every server. NA to KR lag can be bad during peak KR hours, I won't doubt that. But you don't exactly plan owning a house based around that. Houses cost money. Not to mention if you wish to buy a house in a country, and then live there for years without end, you typically need to be a citizen of the country.
But yeah, no one will buy a $200,000+ house in Europe just to make the European ladder have a higher EG presence.
Well I am not sure. I study at the university of Uppsala (north of Stockholm) and I recently finished my master degree there. Out of 160 students in my master program were 9 swedish. Meaning that 151 were from abroad. Mostly China, India and US but also countries like Iran and Nepal. Most of these people lived in Sweden for 2-3 years without any problems, not to mention PhD students that live here for 4-6 years. So it seems to be working very well for for university students at least.
And regarding the lags I guess they are fairly severe as both EU and NA players rarely play on the KR servers because of it. Also they apparently find it troubling enough to send their players to live in Korea frequently.
Sure there are some costs but you do not need to buy a house, you rent it. I mean a large house in Sweden somewhere close to a big city maybe cost like 1000-1500$ a month to rent. I think EG could afford that. Like my parents they rent out a house with maybe 100+ m2 that have 24mbit connection in the middle of nowhere, and I think the people that rent it pays like 800$ a month.
So no of course EG would never rent a house in EU just to improve the EU ladder. However I think renting a house and living in EU could be beneficial for EG. Improving the EU ladder and overall the foreign scene would just be a positive side effect.
Swedish student visas for non-EU citizens, sign your name on some papers for EU-citizens.
I'm pretty sure none of EG are studying but Suppy, and he's staying in Berkeley, and none of EG heralds from a member state of the European Union. Student visas are a lot easier to get than work visas, which are both significantly easier to get than Swedish residence permits, which you require if you're staying in Sweden for longer than 3 months. Not to mention selling E-Sports to a Migration Board as a valid reason to stay in Sweden for 2-3 years would probably be difficult.
I'm sure most or all other members of the European Union have similar/the same laws regarding these things. It would be a nightmare on all levels, and this actually does seem like it's all about getting them onto the EU ladder/vs. EU players more often. There's probably better options for exposing the team to good Euro players more often.
If anything, having what pretty much amounts to THE gaming house in the USA means that when Europeans compete in tournaments, they could potentially spend time at the house in Arizona before the event, as Stephano did before MLG Spring Champs.
Getting them into contact with higher level European players is obviously a great idea, and a good goal. It's just an impractical way of accomplishing that goal.
Well they could marry Swedish girls, they seems to be very popular ^^
No but seriously I wonder how hard it is to have esport as a job in EU. My guess is no one knows as it has never been done before. But if you can show that you are sponsored by several major companies and earn a good salary out of it, would it really be that hard?
If you earn money and spend part of your earnings in Sweden/EU, why would it not be considered a job? I do not think that the migration board define what a "job" is, are they not mainly interested if you can provide for yourself/pay taxes? It is not like they are taking jobs either, if anything that are actually creating a new category of job and bringing in more money into EU/Sweden.
Regardless, I do not believe in the EG curse. I believe that the NA scene is dropping like a rock in the sea however. EG just happens to be the team with most exposure by far in NA, therefor it seems like there is a EG curse but it is actually a NA "curse". It seems like pretty much every SC2 player in NA is attached to this rock, and it is dropping to a point where there is not so much light anymore. So if I were EG I would look for ways to get of this thing, maybe a EU submarine? x)
Bringing in more good players to the house maybe could work to. I just think EG has to do something different cause what they are doing now does not seems to pay of that well considering the level of players they have in their roster.
By the way Chargelot, it is nice to have a balanced discussion on TL once in a while
On July 27 2012 01:27 hunts wrote: But just because the team house is in NA doesn't mean they have to always play on NA, I don't know what's stopping them from playing on korea.
some of them do play on korea. they all have korean accounts and I know that I've seen Machine/DeMuslim/Incontrol playing on Korea.
On July 27 2012 01:27 hunts wrote: But just because the team house is in NA doesn't mean they have to always play on NA, I don't know what's stopping them from playing on korea.
some of them do play on korea. they all have korean accounts and I know that I've seen Machine/DeMuslim/Incontrol playing on Korea.
They all have European accounts too. I know Demuslim at least has been #1 GM on both NA and EU at the same time.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
Well GSTL is the big one, but you can't count out IPL TAC, the little brother of the premier teamleague duo.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
Well GSTL is the big one, but you can't count out IPL TAC, the little brother of the premier teamleague duo.
Meh, now that it's LAN finals it might become a bigger deal than it was.
Realistically thought what matters is performances in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, GSL, NASL, Assembly, IEM, WCS etc.. I.E Individual leagues.
This isn't Brood War, team leagues are a nice distraction but teams live and die by their performance in individual leagues. In terms of individual league performance EG has done way better than any other foreign team throughout Sc2.
Yes, yes they all have Korean and EU SC2 accounts, of course they do. But, EG apparently pay there players to go and train in Korea every now and then. I guess this is not a payment EG does cause they enjoy to waste money but rather because it has a purpose.
The purpose being that you train a lot more efficient in for instance Korea then you do when you practice from US to Korea. <--- which is my point.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
Well GSTL is the big one, but you can't count out IPL TAC, the little brother of the premier teamleague duo.
Meh, now that it's LAN finals it might become a bigger deal than it was.
Realistically thought what matters is performances in MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, GSL, NASL, Assembly, IEM, WCS etc.. I.E Individual leagues.
This isn't Brood War, team leagues are a nice distraction but teams live and die by their performance in individual leagues. In terms of individual league performance EG has done way better than any other foreign team throughout Sc2.
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
... So all the viewers TAC gets is just sympathy views or what?
On July 26 2012 02:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: EG are the most successful non Korean team. I don't understand where this bullshit about bad results comes from.
CERTAINLY not in team leagues.
No one cares about team leagues not called GSTL in Sc2.
... So all the viewers TAC gets is just sympathy views or what?
Just watched Inside The Game and the EG members didnt shout out Raid Call as a sponser? iNcontroL even said "brave move with sponser shoutouts atm" when Demuslim said them. Have Raid Call stopped their sponser of EG? (I couldn't find any posts about this so figured this was the best place?) Appologise in advance if this is the wrong place to be talking about this.
Interested to find out if anyone knows more, thanks.
On January 23 2013 11:03 Synchronizefresh wrote: Just watched Inside The Game and the EG members didnt shout out Raid Call as a sponser? iNcontroL even said "brave move with sponser shoutouts atm" when Demuslim said them. Have Raid Call stopped their sponser of EG? (I couldn't find any posts about this so figured this was the best place?) Appologise in advance if this is the wrong place to be talking about this.
Interested to find out if anyone knows more, thanks.
They have always only done shout-outs to particular sponsors. The raidcall sponsorship deal may just be as the sponsors attached to their names with .RC. While other select sponsors get shoutouts. They do nearly daily Raidcall Q&A sessions and have their players talk through raidcall on streams, so i don't think raidcall are being underrepresented in any way.
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