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Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 21:38:43
July 18 2012 21:35 GMT
#1641
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___-

You made a new account JUST to say that!?


Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. Bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened. I suppose it is natural to speculate on what happened but there is no need to bash players or teams with their theories.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
July 18 2012 21:37 GMT
#1642
On July 19 2012 05:41 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 05:38 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:34 Serinox wrote:

2. Dragon said he wanted to take a job and step out of progaming as a reason to leave SlayerS and then proceeded to join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future and Jessica called him a liar for that



Dragon did lie to get out of SlayerS. I followed his stream and his twitter as I was a big fan and you are stretching the truth to say 'join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future'. He never had an intention to quit Starcraft, that much was obvious by his twitter posts.


Yeah, that's why Jessica is infamous for making a drama out of thin air


That's because the SC2 community tends to overrreact to things like that and also not understand Korean culture despite loving S. Korea. Jessica has overreacted once for sure, and two times the community thinks she overreacted but what she did was completely normal within Korean culture. The cultural difference is bigger than some people seem to realize and they do things vastly different from the norm in other areas where StarCraft is a popular hobby.

As far as them being able to sue and report people for harassment over the internet, the US and some other parts of the world are quickly headed that way as well. For us older people it's kind of hard to understand because we survived harassment in our youth and so it's easy to not be able to see what the big deal is. In Korea however it's not unheard of for overzealous fans and internet trolls to harass minor celebrities until they start self-harming. We're starting to see this in other parts of the world now with people more commonly hurting themselves or commiting suicide over being bullied as being bullied now is vastly different from being bullied 10 years ago. 10 years ago if a young person was bullied they could, in theory, switch schools or their family could move away and they could start over. With the internet being what it is now that shit can follow you, there have been news articles about it happening. There are proposed laws in several countries now to make cyberbullying a crime. S. Korea has just gotten there first, and quite a few countries will quickly be following suit whether or not that's the right course of action.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
July 18 2012 21:40 GMT
#1643
On July 19 2012 06:30 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Anyone else see this posted on Sen's Facebook? + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Oh man if this is real. Jessica is going to have a fit.
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dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
July 18 2012 21:43 GMT
#1644
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___-

You made a new account JUST to say that!?


Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.


zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
July 18 2012 21:46 GMT
#1645
On July 19 2012 06:43 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:
[quote]
You made a new account JUST to say that!?


Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.




Let them figure it out internally before making a statement. It's been what, 2 days? I'm as curious as anyone but I'd rather not have information dribbled down through suspect or biased sources. Rather wait a bit until its all figured out and get the info without the drama.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
July 18 2012 21:48 GMT
#1646
On July 19 2012 06:43 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:
[quote]
You made a new account JUST to say that!?


Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.




It's lose/lose for SlayerS. If they said nothing at all and this all surfaced a few weeks or so from now people would be outraged that they weren't kept in the loop that their favorite player was being punished. If they do what they did people speculate that they're mistreating MMA and all sorts of crap that's been mentioned in this thread. If they public say why they punished him, and keep in mind he's not saying why either, then people will accuse them of shaming him. Honestly they're not treating him badly.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Peqqz
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany201 Posts
July 18 2012 21:49 GMT
#1647
Im so sad, that everyone just forgets MMAs big Tournament wins...


Hope MMA can comeback to his old form!
first we make expand, then we defend it.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
July 18 2012 21:50 GMT
#1648
On July 19 2012 06:43 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:
[quote]
You made a new account JUST to say that!?


Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.





They are not obligated to provide it at all. If they have a valid reason to punish MMA they don`t need to bring their internal problems to the public and potentially make MMA look bad. They don`t want to damage his image as much as they don`t want to damage theirs. Since we don`t know what happened it might be in their best interests (including MMA) to keep things private.


Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
July 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#1649
On July 19 2012 02:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 01:51 Serinox wrote:
On July 19 2012 01:37 StreetWise wrote:
Slayers should have given an official statement by now. With this much time elapsed it becomes worse and worse as imaginations start to run wild. Even if the truth is now revealed, the imagined truths will still be in everyones mind. An example of this would be, lets say you are charged with being a child molestor and the trial goes for months and months and many stories are fabricated about you, but in the end you are found not guilty. People would still view you as a child molestor, however if the same day that you were accused you were shown to be innocent without a doubt you would not be viewed in this light. I think I thought of this case because of the recent news.

But there is nothing to be explained. MMA wasn't accused of anything. We know everything we should know; he was demoted due to disciplinary reasons and he didn't accept it. What more do we have to know? If you the conflict is not resolved than there is nothing to talk about.


No professional sports team in the world would bench a top player and kick him out their living space without some sort of minor press release. The speculation is far worse than simply saying "This is what happened. This is our only comment, thanks".

Are you kidding? Many sports teams have done that over the course of history it's nothing new. When Bynum was benched all the Lakers said was "Oh it's disciplenary reasons" as have just about every team in the NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB it's nothing new stop trying to make this bigger then it is.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Synchronizefresh
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United Kingdom7 Posts
July 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#1650
This seems so weird, obviously we don't have eyes and ears inside the house to find out exactly what happened, but MMA was SlayerS ace for a while, having (from what I've heard) his own personal coach to create builds which would perfectly defeat an up coming opponent. Its hard to say how bad what he did was, assuming in korea they're stricter / tighter about things which in the west wouldn't matter as much?

Interesting to see if he joins a foreign team. Empire.MMA? ;D
Sup fresh
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 18 2012 21:57 GMT
#1651
On July 19 2012 06:55 Synchronizefresh wrote:
Empire.MMA?

I like the way it sounds! Make it happen!
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
July 18 2012 21:58 GMT
#1652
Boxer needs to dump her. He is better looking than she is, she's not very cool in person, he doesn't need her money, she is way too controlling and is slowly ruining his image and his team's stability. I, for one, would lose my freaking mind if I was with someone this dramatic.

He's getting metagamed.
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
July 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#1653
On July 19 2012 06:46 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:43 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:
[quote]

Make account on enthusiasts forum.

Tell them to stop using the forum.

norTmac.


Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.




Let them figure it out internally before making a statement. It's been what, 2 days? I'm as curious as anyone but I'd rather not have information dribbled down through suspect or biased sources. Rather wait a bit until its all figured out and get the info without the drama.



If they had a good reason, they would have given it already.

That's my opinion.

Why piecemeal a story like this.... make no sense to draw out the drama and re-hash it. If they were going to say why, the time to do it was when they announced it.


P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
July 18 2012 22:00 GMT
#1654
On July 19 2012 06:40 Genie1 wrote:
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On July 19 2012 06:30 MrMotionPicture wrote:
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Oh man if this is real. Jessica is going to have a fit.


hahaha thats some poor quality photoshop but still hilarious
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
July 18 2012 22:02 GMT
#1655
On July 19 2012 06:58 Quesadilla wrote:
Boxer needs to dump her. He is better looking than she is, she's not very cool in person, he doesn't need her money, she is way too controlling and is slowly ruining his image and his team's stability. I, for one, would lose my freaking mind if I was with someone this dramatic.

He's getting metagamed.

oh god. i really really hope that this is some kind of a troll post.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 22:05:24
July 18 2012 22:02 GMT
#1656
On July 19 2012 06:59 dsousa wrote:
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On July 19 2012 06:46 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:43 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:35 mango_destroyer wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:30 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:
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Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.

Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star

Give no reason

Bash people who speculate as to the reason.


You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?


I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.

<3


"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."

Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.

His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.


It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.


I agree with you. People bashing teams or players based on speculation is a really silly and pointless act. What`s worse is people presenting this as fact and not speculation. It just sounds to me people love this drama rather than wait and see what actually happened.

I see a lot of people saying we don`t need drama in the scene, but it seems to me the past few days a lot of people love this shit lol.


I'm bashing Slayers for NOT giving a reason for this.

IMO they need to explain how they can justify treating MMA like this. I can't just take it on faith that they are acting justifiably based on the severity and timing of the punishment. (Certainly not given their history with players leaving)

Everyone who is defending Slayers, is SPECULATING that they have a valid reason.

If they do, they most certainly should provide it. They've chosen not to.... IMO that reflects poorly on them.




Let them figure it out internally before making a statement. It's been what, 2 days? I'm as curious as anyone but I'd rather not have information dribbled down through suspect or biased sources. Rather wait a bit until its all figured out and get the info without the drama.



If they had a good reason, they would have given it already.

That's my opinion.

Why piecemeal a story like this.... make no sense to draw out the drama and re-hash it. If they were going to say why, the time to do it was when they announced it.




looks like the story leaked through few players that knows whats going on. upon seeing thisisgame's report, i'm sure they made sure the story doesn't leak out any further. slayers did not announce anything to begin with.

i was curious how thisisgame got the story as i dont see it anywhere else upon searching about it. probably the reporter/insider knows someone inside slayer and it was just talked about then the post was made on thisisgame.
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MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
July 18 2012 22:06 GMT
#1657
On July 19 2012 07:02 Hardigan wrote:
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On July 19 2012 06:58 Quesadilla wrote:
Boxer needs to dump her. He is better looking than she is, she's not very cool in person, he doesn't need her money, she is way too controlling and is slowly ruining his image and his team's stability. I, for one, would lose my freaking mind if I was with someone this dramatic.

He's getting metagamed.

oh god. i really really hope that this is some kind of a troll post.


That's kind of what I was hoping too. That's pretty much the worst post I've ever read. >.< I mean aside from the fact that we have honestly no idea how she's involved, if she's involved in any way outside of it just being part of her duties on the team, saying that BoxeR needs to leave her because he's better looking than she is (shallllllllowwwww) and that she's not very cool in person and stuff is just .. wrong. I actually thought she was pretty friendly in person, and very cheery. That was the impression that I got from her after actually meeting her. Granted I didn't like, go to the SlayerS house and put my feet up on her table or anything, I just hung out with them for about 5 mins at an event.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
July 18 2012 22:14 GMT
#1658
On July 19 2012 07:06 MVega wrote:
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On July 19 2012 07:02 Hardigan wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:58 Quesadilla wrote:
Boxer needs to dump her. He is better looking than she is, she's not very cool in person, he doesn't need her money, she is way too controlling and is slowly ruining his image and his team's stability. I, for one, would lose my freaking mind if I was with someone this dramatic.

He's getting metagamed.

oh god. i really really hope that this is some kind of a troll post.


That's kind of what I was hoping too. That's pretty much the worst post I've ever read. >.< I mean aside from the fact that we have honestly no idea how she's involved, if she's involved in any way outside of it just being part of her duties on the team, saying that BoxeR needs to leave her because he's better looking than she is (shallllllllowwwww) and that she's not very cool in person and stuff is just .. wrong. I actually thought she was pretty friendly in person, and very cheery. That was the impression that I got from her after actually meeting her. Granted I didn't like, go to the SlayerS house and put my feet up on her table or anything, I just hung out with them for about 5 mins at an event.


"He needs to leave her! I know this because I've seen them both on streams a few times, and I've read some threads about them!"

Anyway, it's possible for someone to be a total jerk in general yet still be loyal and loving to their mate. Not saying Jessica is that type of person, but even if you believe it...giving relationship advice on two people you barely know is suspect at best, arrogant/ignorant at worst.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
shankems2000
Profile Joined April 2010
United States103 Posts
July 18 2012 22:15 GMT
#1659
EG MMA FTW
What the uff
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#1660
On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
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On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does.


I think that you've majorly downplayed her spotlight instability and unprofessionalism. She's a bit fiery? We're the ones who would crucify people? She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. She's closer to a nut than "fiery", which is why she gets these kinds of opinions and attention. Saying that nobody ever does know anything is also just, well, really obviously silly. Easy on the dispersing / neutralizing knightage, and let people have their opinions; lest you find yourself suing people for them too :D

Suing people in Korea for cyberbullying is completely valid and warranted considering it's the fucking law. I think that suing pirates is absolutely moronic, but for me to say the RIAA is doing something "wrong" is disingenuous because they're doing nothing more than exercising their legal right. What's more, cyber harassment in Korea has led to a few high profile suicides among celebrities; I don't blame them for wanting to curb them, and I think what's lost in preventing people from harassing anonymously (some paltry argument about freedom of speech is usually made) is easily made up for by the discouragement of trying to make people feel worse.

In the scheme of things, what Jessica did was something to avoid very real consequences. If a player who's being harassed kills themselves, then what? Why not just nip the issue in the bud, even if you do have to come on strongly? Better to err on the side of caution in such cases, as far as I'm concerned. Koreans are not used to the vile behaviour that's commonplace in the West, and their government wants to restrict movement in that direction, and I can't say I blame them.
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