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On July 19 2012 05:01 Dekkers wrote:
What has Jessica done?
I'm curious.
I want to know.
She threatend to close her twitter account because people had harsh criticism about Eve and her role in the team, she called Dragon a liar after he left SlayerS and didn't quit pro-gaming as he told her, the guy that run SlayerS facebook page left and remained in charge of the site on his on behalfs, she made a huge drama out of it, calling him a traitor etc.
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On July 19 2012 05:06 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 04:47 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 04:45 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On July 19 2012 04:20 dsousa wrote:
MMA told Boxer/Jessica that he wanted to leave the team and join a foreign team.
Boxer/Jessica feel that having their star player do that, the player they put Boxer's reputation behind, would be very harmful to the Slayers brand and to Boxers reputation as a team leader. They probably feel that MMA owes them, because they took him from a no-name to being a huge SC2 star. MMA leaving hurts Slayers and Boxer..... and that makes them angry.... hence the seemingly vindictive punishment and press release.
Slayers knows they will lose MMA, so they want to tighten things up with other players, so they punish MMA harshly for his disloyalty so as to discourage their other players from also exploring the opportunity to leave. They force MMA out of the house and hold his contract while making it clear he is not to speak about this to anyone.
Slayer is probably trying to get some money for his transfer, while they wait it out.
Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do.
TL:DR My guess is MMA's only crime was wanting to leave Slayers and that's why Slayers won't say the reason for the punishment. Yes mate, SlayerS team is like a nazi camp... Give me a break... If someone is bound by legal contract then he can't "just leave", unless your understanding of law is different than mine. Maybe they can settle it by some paid fine if its really about the leaving, but you cant just show off your ass to other party when being bound by contract and shut the door behind you. My thinking would be that he expressed his intent and desire to leave, and then Slayers reacted as they did. Obviously they are showing him, and all the other players, that they can't "just leave". Which is part of the purpose of his punishment. Isn't it ridiculous to guess what the situation is and then make condemnations based on your unfounded and highly specific imagination? MMA fanboy or not, you are being rather dumb. I don't even like MMA, in fact I hate Terran.... I just don't like to see people being treated like this without their being a good reason provided. How does the SC2 fan community just accept that? Probably because the legion of apologists jump on anyone who points that out. If MMA deserved this, Slayers needs to make that clear.
I would not be surprised if this was again some minor issue between MMA and Jessica or other parts of the management/coaching staff of Slayers (apparently not Cella since they seemed to get along well at todays Code A).
It wouldn't be the first time Slayers completely overreacted to minor issues. (remember CoCa having to forfeit his GSL Code S Ro16 spot, while being at his absolute peak, just because of this "match fixing" that never was a match fixing)
And since Slayers doesn't lose any word about the reason for MMA's demotion, I think this may very well be the case again.
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On July 19 2012 04:49 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 04:44 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 04:38 ElephantBaby wrote:On July 19 2012 04:28 Malaz wrote:On July 19 2012 04:20 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +MMA told Boxer/Jessica that he wanted to leave the team and join a foreign team.
Boxer/Jessica feel that having their star player do that, the player they put Boxer's reputation behind, would be very harmful to the Slayers brand and to Boxers reputation as a team leader. They probably feel that MMA owes them, because they took him from a no-name to being a huge SC2 star. MMA leaving hurts Slayers and Boxer..... and that makes them angry.... hence the seemingly vindictive punishment and press release.
Slayers knows they will lose MMA, so they want to tighten things up with other players, so they punish MMA harshly for his disloyalty so as to discourage their other players from also exploring the opportunity to leave. They force MMA out of the house and hold his contract while making it clear he is not to speak about this to anyone.
Slayer is probably trying to get some money for his transfer, while they wait it out.
Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do.
TL:DR My guess is MMA's only crime was wanting to leave Slayers and that's why Slayers won't say the reason for the punishment. Of course it's only speculation, but if I had to guess I would guess the same thing. Especially considering what crazy shit Jessica pulled of in the past. What did Jessica do in the past? Some people don't like headstrong or strong-willed women in positions of power. They are supposed to all be shy and polite like the typical stereotype and stay in the kitchen. Hence, the hatred. Yup? People dislike Jessica because they don't like headstrong or strong-willed women. It's not because she is a drama queen that blows things out of proportion or that she publicly berates players via twitter calling them lyers and cheats. You're right.
Everybody is obviously sexist. There is never anything wrong with people who are headstrong; They cannot do wrong.
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On July 19 2012 05:15 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:01 Dekkers wrote:
What has Jessica done?
I'm curious.
I want to know. She threatend to close her twitter account because people had harsh criticism about Eve and her role in the team, she called Dragon a liar after he left SlayerS and didn't quit pro-gaming as he told her, the guy that run SlayerS facebook page left and remained in charge of the site on his on behalfs, she made a huge drama out of it, calling him a traitor etc.
Threatening to close her twitter acount, wow now that's something.
Well if i remember well, Dragon was caught for Streamcheating(or was it match fixing?) and promised not to play again, so yes he quite lied about it.
For the Facebook thing, i can't judge, i don't know much about it.
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People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does.
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That's the thing about these little -isms. Sexism, racism; people don't even realize what they're doing.
A) Jessica's posts were in Korean, translated into English. Things get so morphed in translations, you have no freaking clue.
B) Aside from a few twitter feeds, none of us know her personally.
C) Twitter is an avenue for expressing your thoughts and feelings. God forbid if she felt cheated, whether reasonably or not. Misunderstandings occur all the time.
D) Misunderstadings, again, for emphasis. But that's where the little sexists in people rear their ugly heads. No freaking benefit of doubt. Jumping to conclusion; pre-conceived notion of the "drama queen".
Man, I've seen more people defend someone use explicit racial slurs than someone who's twitter messages could have been either misinterpreted or just simply a result of misunderstandings.
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On July 19 2012 04:44 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 04:38 ElephantBaby wrote:On July 19 2012 04:28 Malaz wrote:On July 19 2012 04:20 dsousa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +MMA told Boxer/Jessica that he wanted to leave the team and join a foreign team.
Boxer/Jessica feel that having their star player do that, the player they put Boxer's reputation behind, would be very harmful to the Slayers brand and to Boxers reputation as a team leader. They probably feel that MMA owes them, because they took him from a no-name to being a huge SC2 star. MMA leaving hurts Slayers and Boxer..... and that makes them angry.... hence the seemingly vindictive punishment and press release.
Slayers knows they will lose MMA, so they want to tighten things up with other players, so they punish MMA harshly for his disloyalty so as to discourage their other players from also exploring the opportunity to leave. They force MMA out of the house and hold his contract while making it clear he is not to speak about this to anyone.
Slayer is probably trying to get some money for his transfer, while they wait it out.
Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do.
TL:DR My guess is MMA's only crime was wanting to leave Slayers and that's why Slayers won't say the reason for the punishment. Of course it's only speculation, but if I had to guess I would guess the same thing. Especially considering what crazy shit Jessica pulled of in the past. What did Jessica do in the past? Some people don't like headstrong or strong-willed women in positions of power. They are supposed to all be shy and polite like the typical stereotype and stay in the kitchen. Hence, the hatred.
I live with a headstrong, strong-will woman and she acts nothing like Jessica. I would sum Jessica as reactionary and almost spiteful when it comes to issues like these. Slasher stated on Live on Three that most reporters in Korea will not even deal with there because she is so difficult to deal with. I don’t know her personally, but I have never been impressed with any of the ways she has handle any PR issue for Slayers.
I don’t know what happened during the discussion with MMA, but demoting a player is not a good way to make him stay with the team or play well. There does seem to be a section of the Korean Esports teams that think they can “clamp down” on players and prevent them from moving for teams. Also, when your star player is looking for to move to a new team, responding with concerns that it would “hurt” Boxers reputation is poor at best. MMA is their star player, but if he wants to leave, they have two options: Make him happy and want to stay, or work out a way to him to move on with grace and style.
Mind you, I was not part of the discussion, but this seems like simple stuff. Players leave teams, it happens and will never stop. If Slayers cannot figure out how that works, then they need to learn how or do something else.
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On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does.
I think that you've majorly downplayed her spotlight instability and unprofessionalism. She's a bit fiery? We're the ones who would crucify people? She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. She's closer to a nut than "fiery", which is why she gets these kinds of opinions and attention. Saying that nobody ever does know anything is also just, well, really obviously silly. Easy on the dispersing / neutralizing knightage, and let people have their opinions; lest you find yourself suing people for them too :D
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On July 19 2012 05:25 plogamer wrote:
That's the thing about these little -isms. Sexism, racism; people don't even realize what they're doing.
A) Jessica's posts were in Korean, translated into English. Things get so morphed in translations, you have no freaking clue.
B) Aside from a few twitter feeds, none of us know her personally.
C) Twitter is an avenue for expressing your thoughts and feelings. God forbid if she felt cheated, whether reasonably or not. Misunderstandings occur all the time.
D) Misunderstadings, again, for emphasis. But that's where the little sexists in people rear their ugly heads. No freaking benefit of doubt. Jumping to conclusion; pre-conceived notion of the "drama queen".
Man, I've seen more people defend someone use explicit racial slurs than someone who's twitter messages could have been either misinterpreted or just simply a result of misunderstandings.
That explaination works once or twice but the whole Jessica thing is way beyond the purview of those reasonings now. We haven't seen a reason for her to be involved in this recent event though.
But given history and how it repeats itself. Its hard to imagine a scenario that doesn't involve Jessica overreacting.
All the hanky panky jokes arent helping either but you have to figure one girl amongst a bunch of guys is gonna create tension soooo, whatever.
Either way. Speculation is everywhere.
What are they saying about this on PlayXP? Anyone have any idea?
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On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does.
We know two things.
1. MMA wants to join a foreign team
2. Slayers punished MMA in the strongest possible fashion
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On July 19 2012 05:21 Dekkers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:15 Serinox wrote:On July 19 2012 05:01 Dekkers wrote:
What has Jessica done?
I'm curious.
I want to know. She threatend to close her twitter account because people had harsh criticism about Eve and her role in the team, she called Dragon a liar after he left SlayerS and didn't quit pro-gaming as he told her, the guy that run SlayerS facebook page left and remained in charge of the site on his on behalfs, she made a huge drama out of it, calling him a traitor etc. Threatening to close her twitter acount, wow now that's something. Well if i remember well, Dragon was caught for Streamcheating(or was it match fixing?) and promised not to play again, so yes he quite lied about it. For the Facebook thing, i can't judge, i don't know much about it.
1. Yeah she threatened it with expression like "i can't endure these mean comments anymore" "that's too much for me to handle, these evil people" etc etc
2. Dragon said he wanted to take a job and step out of progaming as a reason to leave SlayerS and then proceeded to join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future and Jessica called him a liar for that
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On July 19 2012 05:06 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 04:47 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 04:45 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On July 19 2012 04:20 dsousa wrote:
MMA told Boxer/Jessica that he wanted to leave the team and join a foreign team.
Boxer/Jessica feel that having their star player do that, the player they put Boxer's reputation behind, would be very harmful to the Slayers brand and to Boxers reputation as a team leader. They probably feel that MMA owes them, because they took him from a no-name to being a huge SC2 star. MMA leaving hurts Slayers and Boxer..... and that makes them angry.... hence the seemingly vindictive punishment and press release.
Slayers knows they will lose MMA, so they want to tighten things up with other players, so they punish MMA harshly for his disloyalty so as to discourage their other players from also exploring the opportunity to leave. They force MMA out of the house and hold his contract while making it clear he is not to speak about this to anyone.
Slayer is probably trying to get some money for his transfer, while they wait it out.
Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do.
TL:DR My guess is MMA's only crime was wanting to leave Slayers and that's why Slayers won't say the reason for the punishment. Yes mate, SlayerS team is like a nazi camp... Give me a break... If someone is bound by legal contract then he can't "just leave", unless your understanding of law is different than mine. Maybe they can settle it by some paid fine if its really about the leaving, but you cant just show off your ass to other party when being bound by contract and shut the door behind you. My thinking would be that he expressed his intent and desire to leave, and then Slayers reacted as they did. Obviously they are showing him, and all the other players, that they can't "just leave". Which is part of the purpose of his punishment. Isn't it ridiculous to guess what the situation is and then make condemnations based on your unfounded and highly specific imagination? MMA fanboy or not, you are being rather dumb. I don't even like MMA, in fact I hate Terran.... I just don't like to see people being treated like this without their being a good reason provided. How does the SC2 fan community just accept that? Probably because the legion of apologists jump on anyone who points that out. If MMA deserved this, Slayers needs to make that clear.
They said internal stuff and its a punishment, do we need to know more? Slayers disagrees otherwise they said something.
MMA disagrees otherwise he said something in his interview.
And even if they give a reason you can be sure that you will come with "oh just that, you demote him for that? booo" and go further with your slayer is nazi nonsense.
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On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them.
This is actually a thing in Korea, it's not crazy at all (from their perspective). I don't agree with it, but it's way weirder from an outsider perspective.
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On July 19 2012 05:17 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:06 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 04:47 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 04:45 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 04:32 Roman666 wrote:On July 19 2012 04:20 dsousa wrote:
MMA told Boxer/Jessica that he wanted to leave the team and join a foreign team.
Boxer/Jessica feel that having their star player do that, the player they put Boxer's reputation behind, would be very harmful to the Slayers brand and to Boxers reputation as a team leader. They probably feel that MMA owes them, because they took him from a no-name to being a huge SC2 star. MMA leaving hurts Slayers and Boxer..... and that makes them angry.... hence the seemingly vindictive punishment and press release.
Slayers knows they will lose MMA, so they want to tighten things up with other players, so they punish MMA harshly for his disloyalty so as to discourage their other players from also exploring the opportunity to leave. They force MMA out of the house and hold his contract while making it clear he is not to speak about this to anyone.
Slayer is probably trying to get some money for his transfer, while they wait it out.
Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do.
TL:DR My guess is MMA's only crime was wanting to leave Slayers and that's why Slayers won't say the reason for the punishment. Yes mate, SlayerS team is like a nazi camp... Give me a break... If someone is bound by legal contract then he can't "just leave", unless your understanding of law is different than mine. Maybe they can settle it by some paid fine if its really about the leaving, but you cant just show off your ass to other party when being bound by contract and shut the door behind you. My thinking would be that he expressed his intent and desire to leave, and then Slayers reacted as they did. Obviously they are showing him, and all the other players, that they can't "just leave". Which is part of the purpose of his punishment. Isn't it ridiculous to guess what the situation is and then make condemnations based on your unfounded and highly specific imagination? MMA fanboy or not, you are being rather dumb. I don't even like MMA, in fact I hate Terran.... I just don't like to see people being treated like this without their being a good reason provided. How does the SC2 fan community just accept that? Probably because the legion of apologists jump on anyone who points that out. If MMA deserved this, Slayers needs to make that clear. I would not be surprised if this was again some minor issue between MMA and Jessica or other parts of the management/coaching staff of Slayers (apparently not Cella since they seemed to get along well at todays Code A). It wouldn't be the first time Slayers completely overreacted to minor issues. (remember CoCa having to forfeit his GSL Code S Ro16 spot, while being at his absolute peak, just because of this "match fixing" that never was a match fixing) And since Slayers doesn't lose any word about the reason for MMA's demotion, I think this may very well be the case again.
Making coca forfeit his spot wasn't overreacting after savior they want to never deal with that kind of crap again. Come to think of it they couldn't force him to forfeit his spot. They could only threaten that he would be kicked out if he didn't.
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Considering MMA was wearing the Slayers shirt yesterday (And the fact that in his interview he tried to make the issue go away), it sounds like he does not intend to join a foreign team. OP title should be changed to reflect this.
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On July 19 2012 05:34 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does. We know two things. 1. MMA wants to join a foreign team 2. Slayers punished MMA in the strongest possible fashion
Obviously enough to draw conclusions and talk about how horribly SlayerS is managed, right?
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On July 19 2012 05:15 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:01 Dekkers wrote:
What has Jessica done?
I'm curious.
I want to know. She threatend to close her twitter account because people had harsh criticism about Eve and her role in the team, she called Dragon a liar after he left SlayerS and didn't quit pro-gaming as he told her, the guy that run SlayerS facebook page left and remained in charge of the site on his on behalfs, she made a huge drama out of it, calling him a traitor etc.
You should leave out the last part. Most people don't know what really happened in that incident.
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On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does. I think that you've majorly downplayed her spotlight instability and unprofessionalism. She's a bit fiery? We're the ones who would crucify people? She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. She's closer to a nut than "fiery", which is why she gets these kinds of opinions and attention. Saying that nobody ever does know anything is also just, well, really obviously silly. Easy on the dispersing / neutralizing knightage, and let people have their opinions; lest you find yourself suing people for them too :D
are you refering to the Eve thing? well apparently it is pretty common in Korea to do that and nothing special, so i don't think she did something wrong. She just protects her team
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On July 19 2012 05:34 Serinox wrote:
2. Dragon said he wanted to take a job and step out of progaming as a reason to leave SlayerS and then proceeded to join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future and Jessica called him a liar for that
Dragon did lie to get out of SlayerS. I followed his stream and his twitter as I was a big fan and you are stretching the truth to say 'join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future'. He never had an intention to quit Starcraft, that much was obvious by his twitter posts.
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On July 19 2012 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Considering MMA was wearing the Slayers shirt yesterday (And the fact that in his interview he tried to make the issue go away), it sounds like he does not intend to join a foreign team. OP title should be changed to reflect this.
He almost certainly wore it due to the contract, it really doesn't tell us anything.
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