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On July 19 2012 05:34 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. This is actually a thing in Korea, it's not crazy at all (from their perspective). I don't agree with it, but it's way weirder from an outsider perspective.
Well I knew about the increased accountability / decreased anonymity for their net, but I didn't think that t hat was some kind of regular practice, still. I guess that was dumb of me; why else would they have the law? J/w if you can comment on the frequency of this, because I'd like to learn.
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Has anyone asked or answered how much time MMA has left in his contract? That's pretty pertinent information, no?
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On July 19 2012 05:38 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:34 Serinox wrote:
2. Dragon said he wanted to take a job and step out of progaming as a reason to leave SlayerS and then proceeded to join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future and Jessica called him a liar for that
Dragon did lie to get out of SlayerS. I followed his stream and his twitter as I was a big fan and you are stretching the truth to say 'join Millenium after he thought a bit more careful about his future'. He never had an intention to quit Starcraft, that much was obvious by his twitter posts.
Yeah, that's why Jessica is infamous for making a drama out of thin air
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everyone needs to go outside -___-
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On July 19 2012 05:39 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:34 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. This is actually a thing in Korea, it's not crazy at all (from their perspective). I don't agree with it, but it's way weirder from an outsider perspective. Well I knew about the increased accountability / decreased anonymity for their net, but I didn't think that t hat was some kind of regular practice, still. I guess that was dumb of me; why else would they have the law? J/w if you can comment on the frequency of this, because I'd like to learn.
Its just a law that they have probably because it helps to stop cyberbullying. They also seem to be a pretty sensitive people in general, and you can imagine how the internet in general rubs up against that.
That and South Korea is like the most litigious culture thinkable (theres other dumb shit too), despite what tasteless says.
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On July 19 2012 05:45 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:39 Lumi wrote:On July 19 2012 05:34 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. This is actually a thing in Korea, it's not crazy at all (from their perspective). I don't agree with it, but it's way weirder from an outsider perspective. Well I knew about the increased accountability / decreased anonymity for their net, but I didn't think that t hat was some kind of regular practice, still. I guess that was dumb of me; why else would they have the law? J/w if you can comment on the frequency of this, because I'd like to learn. Its just a law that they have probably because it helps to stop cyberbullying. They also seem to be a pretty sensitive people in general, and you can imagine how the internet in general rubs up against that. That and South Korea is like the most litigious culture thinkable (theres other dumb shit too), despite what tasteless says.
What did Tasteless say?
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On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does. I think that you've majorly downplayed her spotlight instability and unprofessionalism. She's a bit fiery? We're the ones who would crucify people? She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. She's closer to a nut than "fiery", which is why she gets these kinds of opinions and attention. Saying that nobody ever does know anything is also just, well, really obviously silly. Easy on the dispersing / neutralizing knightage, and let people have their opinions; lest you find yourself suing people for them too :D
In Korea I heard you can get put in jail for harassing someone over the internet. Its common to sue people over things they say over the internet.
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On July 19 2012 01:56 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 01:37 StreetWise wrote:
Slayers should have given an official statement by now. With this much time elapsed it becomes worse and worse as imaginations start to run wild. Even if the truth is now revealed, the imagined truths will still be in everyones mind. An example of this would be, lets say you are charged with being a child molestor and the trial goes for months and months and many stories are fabricated about you, but in the end you are found not guilty. People would still view you as a child molestor, however if the same day that you were accused you were shown to be innocent without a doubt you would not be viewed in this light. I think I thought of this case because of the recent news. Except he didn't got accused for anything. Your example is something completely different. They said its internal stuff and people should honestly take enough with that instead of speculating over dumb stuff.
Slayers hasn't accused him of anything, but since they didn't esplicitly say why he was demoted, they leave too much up to the imagination. If he was demoted because of poor performance they should say so. If he was demoted as a form of discipline they should at least say what sort of action he is being disciplined for. By not saying anything they leave too much room for people to speculate, which leads to false impressions, false stories and the like. In the end it simply reflects poorly on Slayers as a professional organization.
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On July 19 2012 05:47 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:45 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:39 Lumi wrote:On July 19 2012 05:34 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:
She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. This is actually a thing in Korea, it's not crazy at all (from their perspective). I don't agree with it, but it's way weirder from an outsider perspective. Well I knew about the increased accountability / decreased anonymity for their net, but I didn't think that t hat was some kind of regular practice, still. I guess that was dumb of me; why else would they have the law? J/w if you can comment on the frequency of this, because I'd like to learn. Its just a law that they have probably because it helps to stop cyberbullying. They also seem to be a pretty sensitive people in general, and you can imagine how the internet in general rubs up against that. That and South Korea is like the most litigious culture thinkable (theres other dumb shit too), despite what tasteless says. What did Tasteless say?
USA is a more litigious culture (when describing South Korea). Which is ironic since the US imprinted an extraordinary amount of its legal system on South Korea (and Japan) back in the day to begin with.
Very iffy argument since South Koreans have way more opportunities to sue than Americans, you would have to compare the percentage of people that actually use those opportunities, which someone could write an entire thesis about. Def not thread discussion worthy.
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On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___-
You made a new account JUST to say that!?
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On July 19 2012 05:47 iCastor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:31 Lumi wrote:On July 19 2012 05:23 Shiori wrote:
People don't like Jessica because they don't. She's a bit fiery, but nothing she's done has really been over the top, as far as I can tell. People here would see someone crucified for using a racial slur in game but want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in a business situation where money may or may not be on the line. Nobody really knows anything about what's going on here, and nobody ever really does. I think that you've majorly downplayed her spotlight instability and unprofessionalism. She's a bit fiery? We're the ones who would crucify people? She printed out peoples tweets and was trying to sue them. She's closer to a nut than "fiery", which is why she gets these kinds of opinions and attention. Saying that nobody ever does know anything is also just, well, really obviously silly. Easy on the dispersing / neutralizing knightage, and let people have their opinions; lest you find yourself suing people for them too :D In Korea I heard you can get put in jail for harassing someone over the internet. Its common to sue people over things they say over the internet.
Now it all makes sense... The BM thread isn't about posting BMers to laugh at, it's about building a case to put these bastards behind bars!!
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On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:You made a new account JUST to say that!?
Make account on enthusiasts forum.
Tell them to stop using the forum.
norTmac.
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On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac.
Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation.
Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star
Give no reason
Discourage speculation.
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On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac. Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation. Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star Give no reason Bash people who speculate as to the reason.
You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?
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On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___-
Aww boohoo aren't we normal enough for you.
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On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac. Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation. Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star Give no reason Bash people who speculate as to the reason. You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info?
I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm.
<3
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On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac. Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation. Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star Give no reason Bash people who speculate as to the reason. You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info? I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm. <3
"Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do."
Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.
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On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac. Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation. Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star Give no reason Bash people who speculate as to the reason. You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info? I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm. <3 "Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do." Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating.
His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.
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On July 19 2012 06:28 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:14 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 06:08 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 06:03 zefreak wrote:On July 19 2012 06:00 dsousa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:56 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2012 05:55 NaZa wrote:On July 19 2012 05:43 norTmaC wrote:
everyone needs to go outside -___- You made a new account JUST to say that!? Make account on enthusiasts forum. Tell them to stop using the forum. norTmac. Its very similar to Slayers/MMA situation. Announce unprecedented punishment of a top SC2 star Give no reason Bash people who speculate as to the reason. You did more than that, which is the whole problem. You posted a huge paragraph about 'what happened' and didn't even hint until the end in your TLDR that it was all speculation. You also drew conclusions and made condemnations as if your speculation was true. Notice how there are pages and pages of speculation by people who aren't getting shit because they don't pretend that they have inside info? I'm sorry I duped you into thinking I had inside information, until the end of the "huge paragraph". I hope the extra reading you did won't cause you any long term harm. <3 "Its understandable that Slayers would be hurt by their star wanting to leave, but I really think they've gone too far and shown themselves to be too reactionary and too draconian. Its natural to be hurt when someone you've invested in wants to move on, but they are free human beings and they have that right. There is no need to make it ugly like they have. They should have remained professional and quietly moved on thanking MMA for all his efforts. That would have been the "professional" thing to do." Yeah, it sure sounds like you are just speculating. His point sounds like a fair one to me. It's a response to the conversation that has been going on about how professionally they are handling things.
It will be a fair point if the speculation he did is correct. Nobody knows if he was demoted because he wanted to switch teams. For all we know he stream cheated like some koreans have been known to do and was demoted for that. Or maybe he has an attitude problem. To just say 'I think its because of this' and then call the team unprofessional because hypothetically they acted wrong is stupid.
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