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Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
July 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#341
Please keep misogynist 'Jessica-hate' to a minimum. It's kind of disgusting.
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
July 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#342
On July 17 2012 14:11 JacobShock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:07 PhoenixDark wrote:
I don't think the MMA news has anything to do with Jessica per se. Boxer considered MMA his protege and seemed very invested in him becoming a truly great player and leader. But like nearly every GSL winner, MMA's play deteriorated shortly after his big win. GSL winners get a large sum of money, and given how young most are, it's not surprising that they seemingly become relaxed after winning, and decide to start spending the money (sure they buy their parents stuff, but they also clearly spend it on themselves). And while most of the GSL winners rebound eventually, some sooner than others, MMA has pretty much fallen off the map.

We were talking in the NASL thread about his heavy micro/aggression style going out of style as Terran became more macro oriented, and I think that's part of the reason he has fallen off. Another reason is likely due to practice. If he isn't showing the proper determination in practice, I could totally see Boxer attempting to demote him as a means of motivating/shaming him. But apparently it backfired...

I think we're going to see more of this. BW pros practiced under harsher and more concentrated circumstances than most SC2 players. That's not to say SC2 players don't practice, just that they aren't practicing as much as many BW teams do/did. Boxer is obviously from that old school mind set, and has witnessed players on his own former teams work very hard and ultimately reach great heights (iloveoov). I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to get MMA to that level, but MMA is simply not as motivated.

Joining a foreigner team offers great opportunity while rewarding laziness in many ways; if MMA were to join a major foreigner team, it's very unlikely he would "have" to practice hard, and would instead be flown from tournament to tournament enjoying the thrill of fans and winning money. I fear that if we continue to see moves like this, the Korean scene might begin to protect itself by cooperating less and less with foreign teams/tournaments.


Yet none of us know. I don't think that can be over stated enough. Especially when ranting with such confidence. However I don't find your theory that unlikely.


You're right, we don't know for sure. I was just giving my opinion. I just feel like considering the things Boxer has said about MMA in the past, he expects a lot from him.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#343
MVPMMA. Let's make it happen.

Or better yet, Woongjin Stars' MMA. Be reunited with your Coach and get your powers back.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
July 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#344
On July 17 2012 14:11 kochanfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:09 neoghaleon55 wrote:
WHAT THE F@%$?!

Is Slayers trying to destroy their team?!
MMA's like the ace player!
His games against DongRaeGu a few weeks ago in LA were pretty top notch!


MMA is a great player, but he's certainly not their ace.


I would say he's their ace but not their anchor, which would be puzzle.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 17 2012 05:15 GMT
#345
What crazyness do I see when I wake up?!
Anyways, is that the reason why they fielded ryung as their ace during the gstl?
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
July 17 2012 05:15 GMT
#346
On July 17 2012 14:11 kochanfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:09 neoghaleon55 wrote:
WHAT THE F@%$?!

Is Slayers trying to destroy their team?!
MMA's like the ace player!
His games against DongRaeGu a few weeks ago in LA were pretty top notch!


MMA is a great player, but he's certainly not their ace.


Currently its Puzzle, but nobody has come close to his achievements, he's still their star player with the most fans.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
July 17 2012 05:15 GMT
#347
Whoooaaaaa WHAT?

MMA.... without SlayerS... Please no.

Son of BoxeR... what could he have possibly done?
I love crazymoving
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
July 17 2012 05:15 GMT
#348
On July 17 2012 13:52 Ryhzuo wrote:
I'm gonna wait until more information comes out of a reliable, English source. If MMA leaves SlayerS... well no one would have seen that coming.


Why would an English source be more reliable? This is happening in Korea with a Korean player of a Korean team. TIG IS a reliable source.
etrensce
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia337 Posts
July 17 2012 05:16 GMT
#349
I will follow MMA wherever he goes...
If life gives you lemons, burn lifes house down
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
July 17 2012 05:16 GMT
#350
On July 17 2012 14:15 JustPassingBy wrote:
What crazyness do I see when I wake up?!
Anyways, is that the reason why they fielded ryung as their ace during the gstl?


Puzzle and Ryung have been doing better in general lately than MMA. That's why he hasn't been used as the ace lately.
OpTicNinja
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
July 17 2012 05:16 GMT
#351
perhaps a disagreement between him and boxer?
"Everything will be alright in the end. So if it's not alright it's not the end"
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
July 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#352
EG signs MMA and he ends up living in the house anyway.
I'm a gooner.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 05:19:20
July 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#353
On July 17 2012 14:07 PhoenixDark wrote:
I don't think the MMA news has anything to do with Jessica per se. Boxer considered MMA his protege and seemed very invested in him becoming a truly great player and leader. But like nearly every GSL winner, MMA's play deteriorated shortly after his big win. GSL winners get a large sum of money, and given how young most are, it's not surprising that they seemingly become relaxed after winning, and decide to start spending the money (sure they buy their parents stuff, but they also clearly spend it on themselves). And while most of the GSL winners rebound eventually, some sooner than others, MMA has pretty much fallen off the map.

We were talking in the NASL thread about his heavy micro/aggression style going out of style as Terran became more macro oriented, and I think that's part of the reason he has fallen off. Another reason is likely due to practice. If he isn't showing the proper determination in practice, I could totally see Boxer attempting to demote him as a means of motivating/shaming him. But apparently it backfired...

I think we're going to see more of this. BW pros practiced under harsher and more concentrated circumstances than most SC2 players. That's not to say SC2 players don't practice, just that they aren't practicing as much as many BW teams do/did. Boxer is obviously from that old school mind set, and has witnessed players on his own former teams work very hard and ultimately reach great heights (iloveoov). I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to get MMA to that level, but MMA is simply not as motivated.

Joining a foreigner team offers great opportunity while rewarding laziness in many ways; if MMA were to join a major foreigner team, it's very unlikely he would "have" to practice hard, and would instead be flown from tournament to tournament enjoying the thrill of fans and winning money. I fear that if we continue to see moves like this, the Korean scene might begin to protect itself by cooperating less and less with foreign teams/tournaments.

Lol falling off the map for 3 months makes you a lazy, lousy player? (3 months since iron squid win) Also, I didn't read the NASL thread, but you're wrong, MMA has fantastic multitasking, it's not like he just plays aggressively without macroing, his macro is very good as well, he isnt some gimmicky 2 base allin player, and if you knew what you were taking about you would have seen his macro games. Being aggressive and macroing is NOT mutually exclusive. Also, TvZ is leaning towards this 'micro- aggressive' game or whatever you call it. Players like QXC and Idra have commented on it, because of the queen buff the best way to play TvZ is bio tank, at least to early mid game.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
July 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#354
I wonder if any of this has to do with Zenex players coming on board the Slayers team.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
July 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#355
On July 17 2012 14:14 andaylin wrote:
MVPMMA. Let's make it happen.

Or better yet, Woongjin Stars' MMA. Be reunited with your Coach and get your powers back.

You got it right the second time.

Always got the feeling that Boxer disliked KESPA, with how independently his team is ran, and MMA going to KESPA would be the most rebellious decision that he could make.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
KaRath_
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia245 Posts
July 17 2012 05:17 GMT
#356
On July 17 2012 14:15 JustPassingBy wrote:
What crazyness do I see when I wake up?!
Anyways, is that the reason why they fielded ryung as their ace during the gstl?


Please don't look at it like that - coaches field their best possible field, and they determine it based on how many people are left, the matchups that will have to be played, the maps, and from that who performed better in inter-house practice. To simply say MMA wasn't used as ace because of this incident may be true, but I don't think so

I wasted my nights, you turned out the lights, now I'm paralysed, still stuck in that time...
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
July 17 2012 05:18 GMT
#357
On July 17 2012 14:16 OpTicNinja wrote:
perhaps a disagreement between him and boxer?


That would make boxer a bit of a tyrannical leader, wouldn't it... dropping someone off the A-Team till he agreed with him?
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
July 17 2012 05:18 GMT
#358
On July 17 2012 14:17 otgomni wrote:
I wonder if any of this has to do with Zenex players coming on board the Slayers team.

They joined ST, not Slayers.
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
July 17 2012 05:19 GMT
#359
On July 17 2012 14:15 Gorilla23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 13:52 Ryhzuo wrote:
I'm gonna wait until more information comes out of a reliable, English source. If MMA leaves SlayerS... well no one would have seen that coming.


Why would an English source be more reliable? This is happening in Korea with a Korean player of a Korean team. TIG IS a reliable source.


I think he means when there is no possible issue with information being lost in translation from a KR report.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 17 2012 05:20 GMT
#360
On July 17 2012 14:18 furerkip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:16 OpTicNinja wrote:
perhaps a disagreement between him and boxer?


That would make boxer a bit of a tyrannical leader, wouldn't it... dropping someone off the A-Team till he agreed with him?


Depends on the reason for the disagreement. So no, Boxer is not (necessarily) a tyrannical leader. At least

NOT UNTIL WE GET MORE INFO

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