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Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
July 05 2012 19:47 GMT
#201
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote:
its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.

Naniwa

FIIIIGHTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
July 05 2012 19:53 GMT
#202
haha.. thanks for these.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 19:55:30
July 05 2012 19:54 GMT
#203
On July 06 2012 04:47 Chewie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote:
its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.

Naniwa

FIIIIGHTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!

YESSS!!
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Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
July 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#204
Go NesTea and DRG!
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Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
July 05 2012 20:08 GMT
#205
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usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 20:12:37
July 05 2012 20:10 GMT
#206
Storywriter's translation is correct but what DRG said sounds somewhat more nuanced. To me what he said comes off like:


You will face Naniwa in ro8

I am not sure how things will pan out but in any case I feel like I will win in the end. I don't want to say anything more than that because I don't want any drama (knowing dramas between Naniwa and Nestea).


He said it more compact so the translation doesn't convey the nuance.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 20:24:37
July 05 2012 20:23 GMT
#207
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usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 20:29:18
July 05 2012 20:26 GMT
#208
On July 06 2012 05:23 Scrubwave wrote:
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I don't want to say anything more than that because I don't want any drama

That didn't work out so well, did it?

Apparently. That's the difficulty of translating between these two completely different languages. And people love dramas. What can I say..
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 05 2012 20:27 GMT
#209
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote:
its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.


We got your back, you do your best! <3
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Acer1791
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany182 Posts
July 05 2012 20:40 GMT
#210
drg such a boss.
second title incoming!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 20:54:54
July 05 2012 20:40 GMT
#211
On July 06 2012 03:51 Iamyournoob wrote:
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On July 06 2012 03:37 blade55555 wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:35 Iamyournoob wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:21 tdt wrote:
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote:
Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.

lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?


Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation.
However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody.
When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.

The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea.
But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.

The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.


Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.

Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.


Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.

When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started.
"I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?


Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
July 05 2012 21:03 GMT
#212
LOL DRG: I will win no matter wat ezpzlmnsqz
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
July 05 2012 21:19 GMT
#213
Interesting that DRG feels so confident against Naniwa. But then again that's how a lot of koreans feel against foreigners, even though we all know foreigners can hold their own. That's ok, if anything it gives Naniwa an edge.
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scsequeL
Profile Joined June 2012
47 Posts
July 05 2012 21:29 GMT
#214
Great interviews. You can see the difference in confidence from he two guys
go go go
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 05 2012 21:34 GMT
#215
On July 06 2012 01:44 Logros wrote:
I would've given Naniwa a 50/50 shot against Nestea but no way that he's gonna beat DRG . I really want him to though so I hope he works some magic on his PvZ.


Naniwa really would only have a 50/50 chance against Nestea in a tournament such at MLG or IPL and the like as Nestea doesnt have very good endurance in those tournaments (IPL4 showed it big time). But put them both in GSL settings with time to study Nestea gets the major advantage. On the other hand DRG is able to do very well in both styles of tournaments so I wouldnt even give him a 50/50 chance against DRG
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 05 2012 21:40 GMT
#216
On July 06 2012 04:31 polyphonyEX wrote:
1. MC
2. Squirtle
3. Creator
4. Parting
5. NaNiwa

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote:
Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.

This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG.


It's not a "Godlike" unbeatable push. If you scout it and prepare accordingly you can completely demolish it. Only reason it seems "Godlike" and "Unbeatable" is because zergs get caught committing way too much to roaches and dont have the tech necessary to defend it as the push is really strong against the pure roach or large roach with lings mixed in style
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
July 05 2012 21:51 GMT
#217
On July 06 2012 05:10 usethis2 wrote:
Storywriter's translation is correct but what DRG said sounds somewhat more nuanced. To me what he said comes off like:

Show nested quote +

You will face Naniwa in ro8

I am not sure how things will pan out but in any case I feel like I will win in the end. I don't want to say anything more than that because I don't want any drama (knowing dramas between Naniwa and Nestea).


He said it more compact so the translation doesn't convey the nuance.

Nope. Storywriter has it right.

DRG's personality is to be blunt and to straight to the point. Clearly DRG is excited to face NaNiwa but he most certainly also wants to entice him before facing him
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Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
July 05 2012 21:54 GMT
#218
On July 06 2012 05:40 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:51 Iamyournoob wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:37 blade55555 wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:35 Iamyournoob wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:21 tdt wrote:
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote:
Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.

lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?


Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation.
However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody.
When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.

The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea.
But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.

The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.


Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.

Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.


Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.

When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started.
"I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?


Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.


The last sentence was in your post was completely unnecessary. I do indeed understand the argumentation brought up against what I wrote. And to some extend, they are right. But my point is not that Naniwa is an angel or DRG an asshole.
It is rather that Naniwa has always been consistent in his (bad mannered?) behaviour, but I do not feel that is related to him thinking that he is the best, cooles, most awesome person ever (read overconfidence, arrogance) and that everybody else (his opponents) are trash (AFAIR Naniwa did not want to say that Nestea is trash in that MLG interview, but rather say that he did a bad move. He just ill-worded it. Probe rush was rage rather meant to insult a player.).
I believe Naniwa knows where he stands in terms of skill.

So to sum it up: I never said Naniwa is an angel. I never said he is nice. He may be akward, blunt, even arrogant. But I have the impression that is arrogance is just a means to deal with certain unpleasant things rather than a sign of him believing he is the uber-baller.
Actually, I neither worded his behaviour "honest" nor said that his behaviour was right. I never said that I like Naniwa as a person or that I find him sympathetic.

The reason why I actually started taking the position was, that somebody wanted to excuse DRG's statements by saying "But Naniwa did this and that and there everybody finds it 'real' and 'authentic'". However, that should not be a justification for others being "arrogant". Somebody wondered why no one seems to care about Naniwa being "BM", but everybody getting mad at DRG. The reason I see: Given what kind of a cool guy DRG seemed to be, this interview was really irritating and upsetting to some people, including me. It felt like having been deceived. And being disappointed weighs often harder than having to deal with the constant and consistent difficult to like behaviour of "bad boys" like Naniwa.
With regards to this, I am glad that somebody posted a more nuanced version of this statement. Apologies for jumping on DRG so quickly.

So, I hope this clears things up a bit. Yet my points still stand (on a more general basis though).
You may bother to read this, you may bother to get what I am trying to say here and see my point - as I do see yours (and those of others debating my statements), but what I do demand is not to brush somebody off by saying "can't debate with such people anyways." Thanks.
DoctorDeath
Profile Joined June 2012
17 Posts
July 05 2012 22:01 GMT
#219
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote:
Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.


Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.


Also, have you all read this article?
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347301

DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 22:11:51
July 05 2012 22:09 GMT
#220
On July 06 2012 07:01 DoctorDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote:
Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.


Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.


Also, have you all read this article?
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347301

DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.


Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...

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