EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group D - Page 10
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa +/- a place or two for everyone. But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that. Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:35 Iamyournoob wrote: Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so. The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky. The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview. Some ppl at high level say things to get thier mind right. Inside they may not be confident but if you keep telling yourself nothing going to stand in my way it helps them. Least that's how I take it. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:42 Greggle wrote: I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa +/- a place or two for everyone. But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that. Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season. lol whos creator and whats he won? Bank accounts and golds speak for themselves. MC has most of 2010, 2011 and 2012 so far. And as much as next 5 behind him combined. | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:35 Iamyournoob wrote: Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so. The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky. The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview. I think you're sort of hanging on his every word here and this kind of reaction is why things get blown out of proportion. People need to remember that the collective community puts far more thought and analysis into what players say than the players themselves. For every sentence a pro says entire pages are written by us. What is easily just a little quip for them is translated and taken out of context by a massive number of people. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:42 Greggle wrote: I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa +/- a place or two for everyone. But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that. Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season. Creator is simply not accomplished enough to even be considered for number 1 protoss...he's not even close. Sure, achievements aren't EVERYTHING but to be considered the "best" you need something to actually back it up. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:42 Greggle wrote: I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa +/- a place or two for everyone. But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that. Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season. How on Earth do you justify having Creator above MC, Squirtle and Parting? | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:37 blade55555 wrote: Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol. Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O. Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect. When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference? | ||
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Evangelist
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On July 06 2012 02:22 napo wrote: Like MC said, his own strength is confindece, his weakness is over-confidence. No matter how strong DRG is, Nani showed that he can prepare and put up a fight against anybody in the world. Naniwa can put up a fight against any protoss or terran in the world. | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:48 Greggle wrote: I think you're sort of hanging on his every word here and this kind of reaction is why things get blown out of proportion. People need to remember that the collective community puts far more thought and analysis into what players say than the players themselves. For every sentence a pro says entire pages are written by us. What is easily just a little quip for them is translated and taken out of context by a massive number of people. You have a point there. Might also be a translation issue. Also, we can't say anything about intonation and HOW he said things, That is why I used expressions like "Either the interview is a tad misleading" or "was quoted". Actually I did not post this to launch a personal assault on DRG, but rather to defend Naniwa in some sense. But overall: You have a point. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
Maybe its translation, maybe there is something we dont know about with him and Naniwa. Either way (coming from a fanboy) i think its a badass thing to say. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:48 Olinim wrote: Creator is simply not accomplished enough to even be considered for number 1 protoss...he's not even close. Sure, achievements aren't EVERYTHING but to be considered the "best" you need something to actually back it up. +/- 2 spots for everyone :p When Creator plays well its amazing, I don't know. I don't get quite the same feel from Parting or Squirtle. MC is different completely though, but he hasn't come close to a final in a long time. I'm more concerned about who is considered a top protoss than the ranks within that group. Right now my favorite is Creator, but I'd rather not debate to heavily about a list I made in 3 or 4 minutes and put 0% of my heart and soul into. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:42 Greggle wrote: I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa +/- a place or two for everyone. But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that. Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season. Forgot Seed + Show Spoiler + and SaSe. On July 06 2012 03:48 SeaSwift wrote: How on Earth do you justify having Creator above MC, Squirtle and Parting? Probably because Naniwa said he's the best Protoss :p. | ||
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artosismermaid
213 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 06 2012 03:51 Iamyournoob wrote: Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect. When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference? Calling Nestea trash and acting like a douche after defeating him isn't arrogant? Claiming your double Ro8 is more impressive than a previous foreigner because "It was easy back then, and he sucks now" isn't arrogant? Probe rushing a "rival" (who you called trash) because you don't deem the match worthy isn't arrogant? I could go on, but I think I've made my point... DRG is confident because he deserves to be confident. This is NaNi's worst matchup and arguably DRGs best. DRG is a champion and NaNi's only accomplishment recently is Ro8 in GSL. If anything, the comment was a dig at NaNi for always being so arrogant towards other Koreans. | ||
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
On July 06 2012 04:14 ZAiNs wrote: Forgot Seed + Show Spoiler + and SaSe. Probably because Naniwa said he's the best Protoss :p. Like I said, Seed wasn't anybody before this season. Everyone else on the list has had a strong presence for at least 2 seasons. And I only care about GSL/GSTL achievements so I don't care to rank SaSe. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
2. Squirtle 3. Creator 4. Parting 5. NaNiwa On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit. This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG. | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On July 06 2012 04:31 polyphonyEX wrote: 1. MC 2. Squirtle 3. Creator 4. Parting 5. NaNiwa This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG. If nestea crushed this push, i'm pretty sure DRG will do the same. | ||
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