[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group D - Page 13

zefreak

United States2731 Posts

July 05 2012 23:18 GMT

#241

I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

July 05 2012 23:19 GMT

#242

yay nestea scared of byun haha, goooo byunjwa!!!

DoctorDeath

17 Posts

July 05 2012 23:21 GMT

#243

I think should stop talking about Stephano on a DRG/Nestea post, as fun as this has been :p.

I'll admit I've been pretty tough on Stephano here; he is a very, very good PvZer. We'll have our differences on his ranking, however.

edit: also, i'm too lazy to look up the total record of those two but i'm pretty sure MC had 8 wins before their bo9 series.

Kal_rA

United States2925 Posts

July 05 2012 23:25 GMT

#244

On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote:
its ok, i know im the underdog

we will see how it goes.

You got this!

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

July 05 2012 23:52 GMT

#245

On July 06 2012 06:54 Iamyournoob wrote:

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On July 06 2012 05:40 Canucklehead wrote:

On July 06 2012 03:51 Iamyournoob wrote:

On July 06 2012 03:37 blade55555 wrote:

On July 06 2012 03:35 Iamyournoob wrote:

On July 06 2012 03:21 tdt wrote:

On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote:
Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.

lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?

Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation.
However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody.
When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.

The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea.
But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.

The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.

Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.

Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.

Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.

When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started.
"I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?

Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.

, but what I do demand is not to brush somebody off by saying "can't debate with such people anyways." Thanks.

Sorry for the last sentence then, it was not my intent......or was it

However, I do disagree with everything you said in your rebuttal because your stance takes the assumption that naniwa is a social idiot who says things without thinking and he doesn't really mean to be disrespectful and arrogant. I like to give naniwa a little more credit and think naniwa knows exactly what he's saying and knows he's being disrespectful and arrogant, but he just doesn't care what others think about him.

See the diffrence b/w my stance and yours? You think naniwa does it unintentionally, so excuse his behaviour, while I think he does it intentionally because he just doesn't care what others think of him, so has no filter. Also, I don't care about the naniwa examples you gave such as "I will win" or "I'm going to win" this tournament because I don't really consider those things that arrogant because everyone thinks they're going to win a tournament and no one says I'm going to lose a tournament or I'm going to lose this match.

When I talk about his bm, I'm talking about things like how he tried to get nightend kicked from his team, how he called MLG a joke tournament live on stream, etc.

neoghaleon55

United States7435 Posts

July 06 2012 00:02 GMT

#246

DRG: [I want to thank] last but not least, the fans who cheer for me.

a love arrow to my heart
<3333333

polyphonyEX

United States2539 Posts

July 06 2012 00:05 GMT

#247

On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote:
I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.

Zergs that I think are better than Stephano:
DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa

Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa:
MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)

..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.

ImNightmare

1575 Posts

July 06 2012 00:11 GMT

#248

On July 06 2012 09:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:

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a love arrow to my heart
<3333333

----<3----> He has a gf though

neoghaleon55

United States7435 Posts

July 06 2012 00:13 GMT

#249

On July 06 2012 09:11 ImNightmare wrote:

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----<3----> He has a gf though

I don't think you understand our relationship.
It's not conventional.

zefreak

United States2731 Posts

July 06 2012 00:13 GMT

#250

On July 06 2012 09:05 polyphonyEX wrote:

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I don't think Naniwa is better than Genius, even if he beat him several times head to head. That's not how you determine who is a better player. Genius' PvT and PvZ is better than Naniwa's IMO, and his PvP might be better as well (he outplayed Naniwa in the final match but forgot colossus range, Naniwa should have died).

I also think Puzzle and Hero are better well-rounded, even if they aren't currently in ro8.

artosismermaid

213 Posts

July 06 2012 01:03 GMT

#251

On July 06 2012 09:05 polyphonyEX wrote:

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LOL at all those zergs being better then stephano

xNebulous

United States142 Posts

July 06 2012 01:08 GMT

#252

On July 06 2012 10:03 artosismermaid wrote:

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LOL at all those zergs being better then stephano

haha yeah i laughed too

zeratul_jf

United States808 Posts

July 06 2012 01:10 GMT

#253

Naniwa will die to DRG. DRG rapes toss for breakfast,lunch, and dinner. Also Nani PvZ worst match up gg

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

July 06 2012 01:11 GMT

#254

On July 06 2012 07:45 DoctorDeath wrote:

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I looked at Stephano's top 3 tournaments (in terms of monetary earnings): IPL 3, ESWC 2011, and IPL 4 Qualifiers.

The only top koreans he faced in each tournament were:

IPL 3: can't say any were top tier, best was TheStC
ESWC 2011: Marineking
IPL 4 qualifiers: TAiLS was the best

Honestly, I like Stephano, but the notion that he's one of the best players in the world is unfounded.

He places top 5 in every major tournament except GSL bro. He's a top 5 zerg, if only he wouldnt party so hard on saturday and be completely hung over for sunday =[

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

July 06 2012 01:13 GMT

#255

On July 06 2012 07:51 Gladiator333 wrote:
1. MC
2. Squirtle
3. Seed
4. Genius
5. NaNiwa
6. Creator
7. HerO
8. PartinG
9. Oz
10. Puzzle

No way in motherfucking shit god damn hell is Naniwa ahead of Hero and Parting.

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

July 06 2012 01:14 GMT

#256

On July 06 2012 08:02 GhostLink wrote:
These are two polar opposite interviews. While DRG is booming with confidence, Nestea is being incredibly modest. I wonder which one makes it. DRG still has Symbol to go through.

Not if Nestea has something to say about that.

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

July 06 2012 01:16 GMT

#257

Also somebody said they are mad at DRG for being cocky and that hes changed on us. Actually at MLG Columbus he was asked if the Kespa players would ever be better than him in Sc2 and he said "No!! never" and he also said that he was going to take that championship and MKP was his only competition.

Wrathsc2

United States2025 Posts

July 06 2012 01:23 GMT

#258

DRG will eat naniwa alive.

TomoeMami

Japan48 Posts

July 06 2012 01:31 GMT

#259

On July 05 2012 23:43 priestnoob wrote:
No need to worry, DRG and Naniwa fans. MC will defeat the winner in ro4 anyways.

I'm a big MC fan but Liquid_Taeja has shown a great progress

hugman

Sweden4644 Posts

July 06 2012 01:32 GMT

#260

On July 06 2012 07:53 Ruscour wrote:
STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH MY OPINION

Player rankings are always subjective and usually bias, it's impossible to know who's where, compare players who don't often meet eachother/play the same opponents etc. Getting mad at people who think other players are better is completely pointless.

please look up how to use that word

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