I feel great. I’m happy to have secured my Code S spot for next season and that I was able to showcase various styles of play today. The fans seem to think of me a macro only player so I prepared timing rushes only on purpose.
You advance in first place, was this expected?
Not first place. I knew I would be able to beat Violet and I thought if Taeja beats MVP, maybe it would be possible. Taeja has a very obvious style of play so I was confident about beating him.
What do you think about PvZ lately?
It’s true that Terran has trouble against Zerg. However, Protoss stands a chance. Whether you win or not against a Zerg as a Protoss depend on how good you are. I’ve been doing the gateway opening for a while and it was to show other protosses what should be done. Many Protosses prefer the forge opening but that makes it harder to win. Especially, in a multi-game series, if you play too passively, it’s impossible for Protoss to beat the Zerg. I hope other Protosses start to vary up their play like myself.
Is there a player you wish to face in the upper rounds?
Honestly, every player in Code S is scary. However, since I can’t run, I’ll try to play my best against whomever comes up.
How far do you think you will go this season?
Usually when I play, I try to avoid having unnecessary thoughts. I think this helps me play my best because I don’t get nervous. I think I can get very far as long as I don’t give in to nerves.
You are in the OSL qualifier, are you confident about qualifying?
Seeing the bracket reminded me of Code S. I think you could broadcast the qualifiers and call it a day. I’ll just play like usual and try not to get nervous.
Any plans to attend foreign tournaments?
Of course. I want the titles but even more, I want the experience of going overseas as well. If possible, I want to have the great experience of attending a foreign tournament.
Anything to add?
I’m happy to have played without being nervous and played well as a result. I really want to thank Horror for helping me extensively. Also, I want to thank the coach, his wife, my family and my two friends So Hyun and Jin Soo who always cheer me on. Lastly, I want to thank the sponsors who are so generous: LG electronics, SteelSeries, Googims, Nvidia and Cocacola. Especially SteelSeries who sent me a keyboard on the same day that my old one broke three days ago.
Your thoughts on advancing after some close matches
I thought I would advance in first place but I’m happy to advance even if it’s in second place.
You are full of confidence. What’s causing this?
I have jumped up a level in skill recently. At the recent MLG, I got through the first qualifier with straight wins so I was confident that I would take first place in the group today.
You seem to be doing better since changing teams.
I think TeamLquid suits me better. There are a lot more fans who cheer for me now so it’s given me a boost.
You were against MVP in your first match, were you confident going into that?
I was. I am confident about my TvT and I was in the same group with him at the MLG qualifier and after seeing him lose to Jjakji, I knew I would win.
You must regret your loss in the winner’s match.
I never expected to lose. I have been very confident about TvP lately and I had already beaten Seed 2:0 at the MLG qualifier so I was sure I would win. Being too passive was my downfall. I thought Seed would play passively so I was matching that but he went for a 4 gate rush which crushed me. Initially, I still thought I would hold but it’s been a while since I have had to defend against a 4 gate so my execution wasn’t smooth.
You won a very closely fought final match.
Violet always had more army than I expected him to so there was no way for me to attack into him. So I changed up my style to be more harass oriented and that seemed to work. The power of harass carried me to victory.
Your TvZ has been 100% until today this year
The secret to my victories is control. I think the reason why I lost my first set was because the map didn’t suit my style.
Do you wish to face a Zerg in the upper rounds?
I want to take a break from TvZ for a while. I wish to face MC in the upper rounds. However, I have a feeling that MarineKing will be first in his group which is concerning. He’s such a great player and it won’t be easy to take him on. There are many great players in Group B but MKP is one of a kind.
It seems like you could be aiming rather high this season
I’m going to be satisfied with nothing less than the finals. I think once I get to the finals, a championship is a possibility too.
Did you check the bracket for the OSL qualifier?
It’s such a shame that they are picking only one player per group. GSL always has the best players seeded so it’s easier for the qualifying players but for OSL, everyone has to start from the beginning which will make it hell. However, I am confident I will make it through.
What do you think about your OSL group?
I think Sniper and Puma will be the players to watch out for. I’m a little worried because there are four Zergs in my group.
Anything to add?
I want to thank the sponsors theLittaleAppFactory, Twtich TV and Razer and also say thanks to my teammates who cheered me on. I’ll work even harder from now on. TeamLquid Hwaiting!
Ryung：Playing on NA Server resulted in TvZ all loss, MMA can get out of his slump
Q: It's been so long since you've qualified for Code S Ro16, your thoughts? A: The hardest part of Code S is the Ro32, Ro16 has the same rule set as Ro32, so it's equally as hard. If I can break through Ro16 I think I have a chance to win the gold. This time going abroad let me let alot, so I have more confidence to play bettre.
Q: What did you learn? A: It's not something directly related to the game. It's the mentality of playing in a large tournament which changed for me. I attended 2 major tournaments, and played over 7 days straight so I learned alot. But I won't talk about it in detail (laugh).
Q: Everyone is saying your condition today was great. A: I just came back the day before yesterday from America, my practice was done on NA server. My mechanics didn't change much, my macro was successful today. I played to my ability today.
Q: Today against Leenock you won 2-0 flawlessly. A: When I practice TvZ I'm completely lost (loses). Even when i'm playing on NA server I still lose everything. Feels like every opponent is like Stephano. I can't even win on NA Bnet, so I was very worried about winning in Korea. It felt like Leenock just failed himself, he didn't use the most OP parts of a good zerg play(er).
Q: How do you explain your TvZ today? A: I just learned the strategy from other people ~ The first game's strategy was the on Polt used in MLG. But I didn't use it well and it put me at a disadvantage. The second game I ruled out any rush/all-in early game play from the opponent and just went for economy. And Leenock chose to economy up just like me, so I had a chance.
Q: The games against Ace was very spectacular A: On Ohana I wanted to use a 1-1-1, but later chose to go macro, because I just thought if it didn't go well I would use 1-1-1 in the second game instead. In reality I didn't need to use that strategy in the second game either, but I wanted to let everyone see me will to win, so I chose this strategy.
Q: Your performance lately is the best out of Team Slayers A: In Ro32 I didn't feel much, but qualifying for Ro16 I feel really proud. But in in-team practice matches I'm below average, but through losing I learned alot, so I'm not too bothered by losing in practice.
Q: Your best GSL record is Ro8 A: In the super tournament and GSL I've gotten to the Ro8 twice. At that time I didn't realize how hard it was to qualify for the Ro8. But this long with out any record makes me regret not capitalizing on the opportunity then. Recently even in my dreams I dream about getting to the Ro8, feels like if I can get into the Ro8 and break-through my fate would be swapped with MMA's (laugh).
Q: Recently MMA's record has declined A: MMA has played well for a long time, you will always have a peak and bottom period. But he's had experience of being in the lowest slump then coming back to the highest peak, so we aren't worried about him. And honestly, I'm not in a position to worry about him, I can't even secure myself ~
Q: What race do you think is the largest road-block on your way to the championship? A: It's definitely zerg, othre players are all scared of zerg. In the beginning I was already thinking that way and I thought I was alone, and that it was isolated to inside our team. But meeting other players in MLG they were also scared of zerg. But I haven't played alot of TvZ yet, yet I feel zerg is so strong in NA bnet, that's enough to prove that the race is the most unbalanced in history. But conversely, if someone can make a good show in vZ, he would be a big star. I was thinking that way too. During this difficult times if you make a break through you will definitely leave a large print (image) for everyone. I also talk about it with my team. If we can find some new strategy before the Ro16 I think I can make a breakthrough.
Q: What are your hopes for the Ro16? A: I don't want anyone to pick me, just let me fall into the last group. Recently all the opponents are strong, and the skill level is around the same, so any group is fine, as long as it's not zerg (laugh).
Q: Last words? A: My record in MLG was really bad, but I met alot of good people. It let me understand alot, dispelled alot of frustrations and insecurities that I had. That experience makes me feel happy/fortunate just thinking about it. On the plane back from America I ate too much and felt really bad, thanks to everyone who helped me then from Blizzard and my manager.
DongRaeGu: "Zerg advantage season I have to be the champion, I want 3 terrans in my group."
Zerg leader DRG progressed from his group with first place, he just won MLG and says that this season has zerg advantage, so he wants to be grouped with 3 terrans for the Ro16, and says "If you don't win the championship now, what are you waiting for?" And DRG also said this about opponent viOLet: He was always playing in America, and he never practices with the team, DRG reaffirms viOLet's potential as a player.
Q: After winning the GSL, how does it feel to return to the Ro16 after a season? A: Before every season I felt that getting into the Ro16 was very easy/relaxed, but after playing alot I found that the Ro32's pressure is getting larger~ Not only are you afraid of being disqualified from the Ro32, but you are also afraid of instantly being demoted to Code B. Last season I was ranked first, but I didn't even attend the group selection ceremony, in the end I'm happy to qualify.
Q: You took alot of difficulty in ZvT A: The first match was okay, but the second match wasn't played well, the third match I also almost lost my defense. But luckily I spread my creep early and won, that's credit to the queen (laugh).
Q: Winners match was against viOLet who was your teammate. A: I was happy, its the first time being matchd against viOLet in the GSL, even though he left the team we kept contact with each other, always studied strategies and learned from each other. Even though winning against viOLet to qualify made me a bit remorseful, but I believe that he can also make the Ro16. I think it's amazing that he doesn't play in the team house, and was always playing in America, yet is still playing so well.
Q:You made alot of mistakes in your micro, why is this? A: My play style is focused and depends on micro in important battles, but during other encounters I rather macro well than waste my control on unimportant things. Though I'm slightly disadvantaged in micro, I get more of an advantage from other places, that's my playstyle. It's not that important to the overall match, I will control carefully for important engagements, you don't have to worry~
Q: In the interview after winning MLG you showed great confidence for this GSL A: I've improved alot, now I have confidence that I can win regardless of who my opponent is. As long as I don't make huge mistakes, I'm confident I can get a great record.
Q: What kind of group do you want in the Group selection ceremony? A: I've watched other Zerg interviews and it's roughly the same I also want 3 Terrans in my group, for the same reasons as other Zergs. I need to talk about it in detail when the time comes (laugh).
Q: It seems that in the Code S (GSL) zergs aren't performing that well, why do you think this is? A: I have a different view, regardless of rather it's practice, GSL, or GSTL, Zergs are very easy to play. But for the GSL the preparation time is long, so other races can have the time to prepare strategies, but Zergs definitely have alot of advantage.
Q: Is the goal this time to be the champion? A: This is required, it's a great time to try for the gold, have to win a gold when zergs have the advantage~
Q: Last words? A: I want to thank sponsor Razer and our partner team MYM, and also thank everyone who helped me practice ~
MarineKingPrime: TvZ is the most unbalanced match-up in history, win-rate 10%
MarineKingPrime advanced second out of his group, after the match he said that it's the most unbalanced match-up in history, his win rate dropped from 60% to 10%, and he also feels extremely pressured by it. MarineKingPrime also expresses that he knows he's very stubborn at times, as such he will try his best to improve. Lastly he says that MaruPrime can treat tomorrow's match against DongRaeGu as a practice match, because DRG is too strong.
Q: Third consecutive advancement into the Ro16, how does it feel? A: I've always had an easy time qualifying into the Ro16, so this season I thought it was be easy too, but I was too arrogant and careless. So in the end I put myself in a difficult position. But it's thanks to that difficult encounter that I learned how hard it is to qualify for the Ro16.
Q: Was the game against YuGiOh difficult because of Zerg advantage? A: From the first match I've already prepared, but from the first match's opener I got countered so I was psychologically disadvantaged, so I couldn't play out alot of prepared strategies.
Q: In the winners match you completely lost. A: He's been really strong lately, I've also seen his GSTL matches. I feel like he's the Zerg player that's playing the best right now~ In the MLG I was lucky to beat him, but it (that) also gave me some confidence. But Zergs really are strong, it's so hard to win.
Q: How do you feel about the recent state of TvZ? A: It's the most unbalanced match-up in history, before the patch (my) TvZ win-rate was around 60%, now it's plummeted to 10%. I'm really lost, why did this happen, I've studied alot of counter zerg strategies, and I haven't found any solutions yet. In hindsight it's (strategies) all like that game on metropolis, playing to the late-game and setting up the prefect defense all around, it's kind of a solution with out a solution. I I've watched alot of zergs that do well on ladder's records, alot of people basically haven't lost to Terran in a whole week. It's basically impossible for a terran with the same skill level as the zerg to win. Unless you all-in, or the opponent's psyche collapses, or your luck is just too good, it's hard to win. Even in practice I don't want to play TvZ, I always lose.
Q: As the inventor of 2 rax marine, do you feel a certain duty? A: Today before arriving at the game studio I was thinking that I can't let everyone down, but playing the game really isn't like what you think. If I had another chance and I run into a Zerg I hope I can make up for the mistakes I made today, try my best to play an entertaining/spectacular game.
Q: In the end you were matched against PartinG again, how did you feel after seeing the match-up? A: Because I won against YuGiOh, I had a normal mindset playing against him again (I didn't care much). But last CodeS I dropped out because of PartinG, and I also didn't want to lose against Startale players~ So after I saw the match-up I felt good and satisfied. I hoped that I would not only win, but also play an interesting game.
Q: In the end both of you played very aggressively, why do you think that is? A: Basically playing against PartinG we both like to expand and macro, but this time we both tried to counter each other's macro tendency. That's why we were so aggressive.
Q: In the second round was salvaging the bunkers a judgement mistake? A: I scanned the opponent's Robotics facility, but I forgot~ I even thought that the opponent wouldn't have an observer or void prism, it's a huge mistake.
Q: Alot of your fans like to point out your blind confidence as a big weakness A: I also know that if games are going in my tempo confidence is a strength, but if the game wasn't going smoothly it's a big weakness. I'm trying to improve on this point constantly.
Q: This is almost a question that every interview asks: After getting second place you never achieved anything past the Ro16 A: I'm still practicing hard, my condition now is still problematic, but I still have time. If I had a bit of luck then getting to the finals should be possible, I might even have a chance to win.
Q: NesTea got the Nestea award, how did you feel? A: As a professional player recieving awards like this one is very honourable, from my standpoint I'm quit jealous, just not falling out of the GSL Code S is already a great achievement. I also want to get 20 consecutive Code S appearances for a MarineKing Award.
Q: In the MLG you played a spectacular series against Stephano, but you couldn't get into the finals. A: After winning against Stephano in the winners bracket I got too relaxed, I didn't even know how I lost the proceeding matches, I just didn't perform well, I'm very regretful. DongRaeGu's skill level is even a step above Stephano, so before the match I felt that I couldn't win.
Q: What are your plans for the Ro16 group selection ceremony? A: I will use my experience to get a group that's advantageous for me, I will simply/definitely choose weak opponents.
Q: What's your goal this season? A: My goal now is getting out of the Ro16, as long as I don't get eliminated in the Ro16 I have confidence to win in a series, this way I can go for the championship.
Q: Last words? A: Thanks to players who helped me practice. Tomorrow Maru is playing and his opponent is DRG, so I hope he doesn't have a "must win" mentality, just treat it as a practice match (laugh). Also I want to thank sponsors Tt esports and OCZ.
viOLet: DRG is too strong, I will stay in Korea for the OSL
Code S group G, viOLet advances hand in hand with DongRaeGu, after the match he admits that DRG really is strong, and has alot of things he could learn from, this advancement in the GSL is a breakthrough and personal improvement for him. Also he proclaims that he's signed up for the preliminaries for the OSL, and will stay in Korea for atleast a month. His long time crusade overseas has helped train his English, for this viOlet thanks team Empire.
Q: After 5 seasons how does it feel to return to the Code S Ro16? A: Today's match was very important to me, not that this particular advancement was that significant, but that it's a breakthrough in Code S. Everything I sit in the gaming booth I'm very tense, and instantly loses my confidence. But That feeling was completely gone today, ofcourse I'm a little anxious, but I'm happy that I won.
Q: When you were told that the sponsor's code S seed was given to you what did you think? A: I was astonished myself, there's still alot of players stronger than me, but they actually gave it to me, I was quit surprised, and really grateful. Though I have alot of weaknesses, I will try to not disappoint everyone, and repay them with my best condition.
Q: Your first game back into the Code S was a flawless 2-0 A: The first match I was fully prepared, but the game didn't play smoothly. But Oz-hyung also made alot of mistakes. I might have cared more (put a bigger emphasis) about the match and that's why I won.
Q: Winners bracket opponent was previous teammate DRG A: It's my first meeting with him in the GSL, in terms of opponents he's very strong, but to me he's also a good friend and a good younger brother. Before the match I was talking with him, and the games played out spectacularly too. But I made alot of mistakes in the match, whereas DRG basically didn't make any. In real game experience he's definitely ahead of me, as a player he's one worth studying after.
Q: Against Maru in the final set you lost the first game A: After losing the first game I was very disappointed with myself. After holding a 11-11 strategy perfectly, my macro, tech, and resource management was terrible. It made me think of the last time when I was disqualified from Cod S, it unsettled me. But in the second game the opponent chose mech which was a chance for me, I have alot of confidence against mech, and on daybreak it's very easy to handle it. After seeing the mech composition I found confidence again, and i didn't make alot of mistakes, the match went smoothly too. After winning the second match I felt I could qualify. The third match I was really lucky, I thought that the opponent would use early pressure and switch into macro, but my drone scouted the forward 2 rax. Even though the map and the situation was a bit disadvantageous for me, I felt like I had a big chance to win.
Q: Everyone is saying that Zerg is OP, what do you think? A: Zerg definitely got more powerful, but personally I just feel that other races were sniping zergs too easily before, so now they are finding zergs hard. ZvP hasn't changed match, ZvT is improved, because Terrans are too focused (affected) on the queens, so they are playing very cowardly in ZvT, that's why this phenomenon exists now.
Q: You've been out of Korea for more than half a year, how is your english? A: It's alright (laugh). I haven't especially made time for it, but living with so many foreigners makes learning English quite interesting. In the start it was still awkward to say English, but slowly I could converse with people, it was very strange / amazing. Especially foreign fans like me to converse with them in English, so my English has improved quite a bit.
Q: What kind of team is Empire? A: It's a Russian team. At first when they contacted me I wasn't too concerned, because I heard about precedents of foreign teams not paying the salary to players, so initially I didn't want to go. But now it seems like they are even giving each player a manager, and paying on time, giving alot of support to the players.
Q: What do you want to happen in the Ro16 group selection? A: Though I lost today, I still want to play mirrors. If I can be placed in the same group as Zergs it would be interesting. If not zergs I want to meet protoss. When I won MLG I was very confident, but now I think my ZvT needs alot of improvement. Ironically I'm very confident in my ZvP.
Q: Where did you live before coming to Code S? A: Because my family lives on Jeju island, I'm staying at the MVP team house. Before I was the MVP team captain, so even now it feels like home, very comfortable. When was playing Warcraft 3 I even often slept in Saunas~ I also applied for the OSL SC2 preliminaries, so until then I think I have to stay in Korea, at least for a month. Since I'm back in Korea I need to use the opportunity to practice. Korea is different from foreign countries, abroad it's basically practice over Bnet (ladder), so in Korea there's alot of chance for improvement.
Q: What's your goal for this Code S? A: When I saw DRG win Code S I thought he was genuinely so good. As to being a champion, it was undreamed of before I won MLG. I was always thinking about how to win, not how to get the gold. As a progamer the goal should be the championship, but personally I rather use the opportunity to improve my abilities.
Q: Last words? A: I want to thank our team and the team sponsors Razer and Adidas. I also want to think my manager. Even though he's my manager, I'm already treating him like an older brother ~ And thanks to fans who are always cheering for me. I hope everyone can continue supporting me.
If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.
if anyone wants an interview translated also please post, it's difficult to track which ones have been posted on TL since I don't pay attention to SC2 daily. thanks
On June 21 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote: If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.
On June 21 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote: If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.
Hmm, so now MMA, MVP and MKP are all complaining about the present state of TvZ. If a guy like MKP has a 10% winrate in TvZ, there is clearly something very very wrong with this MU.
This whole Z players laughing about this horrible matchup and T players crying about this horrible matchup is pretty fucking disgusting. Look at the stats. Look at the players whining. Something is wrong.
On June 21 2012 21:52 Sroobz wrote: This whole Z players laughing about this horrible matchup and T players crying about this horrible matchup is pretty fucking disgusting. Look at the stats. Look at the players whining. Something is wrong.
Thank you for putting the interviews up, interesting to see the opinions of probably two of the most authorative voices on this recent patch.
That said, let's not go too deep into balance discussion, that belongs in another thread ^^
On June 21 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote: If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.
I dont mind :D
<3
Would be better if you made a separate thread for it though. Like for each group/day. Easier to sort out that way.
: P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....
Q: How do you feel about the recent state of TvZ? A: It's the most unbalanced match-up in history, before the patch (my) TvZ win-rate was around 60%, now it's plummeted to 10%. I'm really lost, why did this happen, I've studied alot of counter zerg strategies, and I haven't found any solutions yet. In hindsight it's (strategies) all like that game on metropolis, playing to the late-game and setting up the prefect defense all around, it's kind of a solution with out a solution. I I've watched alot of zergs that do well on ladder's records, alot of people basically haven't lost to Terran in a whole week. It's basically impossible for a terran with the same skill level as the zerg to win. Unless you all-in, or the opponent's psyche collapses, or your luck is just too good, it's hard to win. Even in practice I don't want to play TvZ, I always lose.
that's when you realize that the patch is a stupid idea. at least to make 2 changes (one to help hold off all-ins, also from 3->5 rather than 3->4 then eventually ->5, and the other to SCOUT for the all-ins better)
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....
I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote: I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
Code S is the only tournament where Terrans are doing well, every other tournament since the patch Terran has done awful.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MKP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...
Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH, sure against a zerg but he won handily? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament also which again faults your "100% exaggeration" logic....
So what's your argument? People played bad games, no use of stats. Terran's didn't play phenomenal games either recently, and this is past the queen change... All subjective opinionated garbage.
On June 21 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote: If storywriter / other community translators don't mind I can translate new ones and put them in this thread too, usually up on plu.cn before it's up on here.
I dont mind :D
<3
Would be better if you made a separate thread for it though. Like for each group/day. Easier to sort out that way.
bleh but having like 10 threads up a month is pretty silly.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MKP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...
Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...
Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.
Mvp won, not MKP
You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote: I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...
Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.
Mvp won, not MKP
You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.
You made some good points in your post, I just helped you out making it accurate. No need for the snobby "obviously it was a misclick" remark.
On June 21 2012 22:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote: : P It's no different than Terran in 2010/11 seasons -.- A patch made Zerg imba, look back at BW, before Bisu came Protoss was getting raped in ZvP (to the point maps were being made to favor protoss) and then a new idea came along...
Everyone needs to relax, Blizzard said that if in about a month or so the rates don't even and the pros/high level players still feel its imbalanced and they feel its imbalanced (without bias) than they will revert it.
That being said, hopefully a zerg wins... T has like one hundred championships now ?
It was waaaay different. Terran never looked 100% better than zerg/toss at ALL aspects of the game. Now Z looks better than T at all aspects of the game. MKP and DRG and Mvp complaining...it just is too good to be true huh
Z does not look 100% better at all, what are you raving about? 6 (or 7) terrans are in the GSL ro16 right now... 4 zerg and either 5 or 6 protoss. By your logic, it would be every zerg that came to play and met a terran....
Don't over exaggerate the issue, it really debunks any points you want to make because it seems sensationalist... Didn't a protoss win DH? I saw a lot of Terrans beat zergs that tournament.
DRG says if he plays perfect against a Terran it doesn't matter how well his opponent plays and that he'll win.
MVP and MKP both say at the same skill level it is impossible for Terran to win.
Leenock played like absolute trash today, plain and simple. But for a player like MKP-- who is clearly one of the best mechanical and strategic players in the world, to go from 60% winrate to 10% winrate vs Z is alarming.
If you are the better player you should win. You should not feel like your back is against the wall like tvz (and tvp to some extent) feels now.
Wait... DRG said something? Ok so that means the statistics don't matter. MVP and MKP say it's impossible? MVP the recent GSL winner? setting a GSL record and MKP running off a great 2012 start (including past patch) and advancing into ro16...
Again, you keep looking where you want to see data and not objectively at all -.- What about Yugi? he played really good.... Or the other countless zergs? Let's just mention whatever... If you look back, this isn't the first time everyone screamed imbalance and the game balanced out evenly, the only difference is that for the first time in all of the million championships Terran is feeling the need to adapt because of a major balance shift... Sure they get tiny nerfs each patch, on reasonable things, but here we are with something major and everyone is ready to throw their hands in the air.
Mvp won, not MKP
You'll notice I say "MKP the recent GSL winner, and MKP starting a great 2012 season" obviously it was a misclick because MVP and MKP are rather similar. Thanks for sorting that out.
You made some good points in your post, I just helped you out making it accurate. No need for the snobby "obviously it was a misclick" remark.
I'll be frank, I actually when messaging saw "Mvp won, not MKP" and for some reason someone quoting what you said, embarassingly it was me (though I didn't know) so I was more being a dick regarding the person (who doesn't exist) that quoted what you said.
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote: I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)
-.- Can you attempt to clarify your point, it's hard to read through all of your assumption based comments.
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote: I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)
I've watched all the games and pretty sure you are misinterpreting my comment. What I am saying is the queen buff is being blown out of proportion and being blamed for terrans playing silly, losing, then blaming the queens. I've learned not to take the communities reaction to heart when it comes to balance..i.e , the uproar caused by increasing the roach range from 3-4..that was a fun time.
On June 21 2012 22:32 Sc2Null wrote: I love how people take these professional gamers opinions to heart like this. There are only 4 zergs in the ro16.(imo the best of the best). Pretty sure the queen range increase of 3 didn't automatically cause all terrans to go full retard.
I love how people only read stats and don't watch the actually games, where the zergs who dropped out actually played bad. Just because Zerg got buffed doesn't mean some of the worst Zerg (Line, Sniper) will automatically win against some of the best Terran (MVP, Supernova), or doesn't mean you can just play real derpderp and still advance (Curious, Leenock)
I've watched all the games and pretty sure you are misinterpreting my comment. What I am saying is the queen buff is being blown out of proportion and being blamed for terrans playing silly, losing, then blaming the queens. I've learned not to take the communities reaction to heart when it comes to balance..i.e , the uproar caused by increasing the roach range from 3-4..that was a fun time.
Amulet nerf! GAMES OVER! Infestor change! GAMES OVER! Forge upgrades decreased! GAMES OVER! and the list goes on and on...
7 terrans through to round of 16! Not sure how all the games went but so far looks like a good showing
Watch the games. Zergs just playing like shit...
Yup Leenock playing pretty badly though.
GSL is the highest skill level tournament.Zergs are the least represented race in Code S ever since the beginning and now we have seen slight changes.
I wouldn't call it imbalanced just yet just because terrans are still doing well in the GSL although zerg is looking stronger now If ever the terrans number drop below the zergs,then maybe we got something to talk about but until then there is nothing much to talk really.
Please don't take what MKP said so literally.60% winrate to 10%winrate?Definitely an exaggeration.People are so blind to believe so easily.
Sad to see pros really hate the TvZ match up. (I hate it too when playing T, but when I'm playing Z...) even the Zerg players seem to think they have a huge advantage.
DRG summed it up well, GSL is really a special case, because players have a lot of time to study their opponents and plan carefully laid out builds to counter the player as a whole, not only his builds but his styles as well, even abusing things like his scouting patterns etc. Terran seems to be a race that is really good and well suited for that kind of thing.
So while Terran is still doing well in the GSL, look at all the other tournaments, you have either zerg or protoss domination.
And the number of pro's that keep coming forward and talking about the current patch changes is becoming bigger and bigger, MVP, MMA, MKP, SuperNova, DRG. All of them saying the MU is zerg favored, that's pretty damning.
Thanks for the translations, hope you can get the Violet, Symbol, Ryung and Taeja ones up fast as well!
lol wow, MKP's winrate in TvZ from 60% to 10%? Is it that bad for terrans nowadays? Doesn't look like it in Code S but then again, live matches have different weight added to them.
Also, I feel like this season's code S is truly a Game of Thrones. There are so many insanely good players in ro16. This is the most stacked code S ro16 I have ever seen (and I don't think that every season). I bet all the BW pros are all watching their favorites play as well.
On June 21 2012 23:13 Destructicon wrote: DRG summed it up well, GSL is really a special case, because players have a lot of time to study their opponents and plan carefully laid out builds to counter the player as a whole, not only his builds but his styles as well, even abusing things like his scouting patterns etc. Terran seems to be a race that is really good and well suited for that kind of thing.
So while Terran is still doing well in the GSL, look at all the other tournaments, you have either zerg or protoss domination.
And the number of pro's that keep coming forward and talking about the current patch changes is becoming bigger and bigger, MVP, MMA, MKP, SuperNova, DRG. All of them saying the MU is zerg favored, that's pretty damning.
Thanks for the translations, hope you can get the Violet, Symbol, Ryung and Taeja ones up fast as well!
On June 21 2012 23:21 FidoDido wrote: lol wow, MKP's winrate in TvZ from 60% to 10%? Is it that bad for terrans nowadays? Doesn't look like it in Code S but then again, live matches have different weight added to them.
Also, I feel like this season's code S is truly a Game of Thrones. There are so many insanely good players in ro16. This is the most stacked code S ro16 I have ever seen (and I don't think that every season). I bet all the BW pros are all watching their favorites play as well.
That includes MKP's two losses in TSL Qualifiers where he got 6 and 7pooled... lol
When MKP was owning Zergs left and right it was considered normal but now that he's losing it's automatically imbalance.
On June 21 2012 23:13 Destructicon wrote: DRG summed it up well, GSL is really a special case, because players have a lot of time to study their opponents and plan carefully laid out builds to counter the player as a whole, not only his builds but his styles as well, even abusing things like his scouting patterns etc. Terran seems to be a race that is really good and well suited for that kind of thing.
So while Terran is still doing well in the GSL, look at all the other tournaments, you have either zerg or protoss domination.
And the number of pro's that keep coming forward and talking about the current patch changes is becoming bigger and bigger, MVP, MMA, MKP, SuperNova, DRG. All of them saying the MU is zerg favored, that's pretty damning.
Thanks for the translations, hope you can get the Violet, Symbol, Ryung and Taeja ones up fast as well!
Thanks, I missed this one. Edit: You can put the Ryung interview in here, but in the future it would probably be best to have interviews separate as they come out, like on monday have the Group A interviews, tuesday Group B interviews etc.
On June 21 2012 23:21 FidoDido wrote: lol wow, MKP's winrate in TvZ from 60% to 10%? Is it that bad for terrans nowadays? Doesn't look like it in Code S but then again, live matches have different weight added to them.
Also, I feel like this season's code S is truly a Game of Thrones. There are so many insanely good players in ro16. This is the most stacked code S ro16 I have ever seen (and I don't think that every season). I bet all the BW pros are all watching their favorites play as well.
That includes MKP's two losses in TSL Qualifiers where he got 6 and 7pooled... lol
When MKP was owning Zergs left and right it was considered normal but now that he's losing it's automatically imbalance.
Every Terran is getting owned by Zergs. Besides, MKP never had a 100% winrate against Zerg or something, he just dominated mid-level Zergs that he's a lot better than. He never dominated someone like DRG consistently.
On June 21 2012 23:21 FidoDido wrote: lol wow, MKP's winrate in TvZ from 60% to 10%? Is it that bad for terrans nowadays? Doesn't look like it in Code S but then again, live matches have different weight added to them.
Also, I feel like this season's code S is truly a Game of Thrones. There are so many insanely good players in ro16. This is the most stacked code S ro16 I have ever seen (and I don't think that every season). I bet all the BW pros are all watching their favorites play as well.
That includes MKP's two losses in TSL Qualifiers where he got 6 and 7pooled... lol
When MKP was owning Zergs left and right it was considered normal but now that he's losing it's automatically imbalance.
Well he does have the best micro in the game, it makes sense that he should be able to win from time to time.
On June 22 2012 00:30 Aunvilgod wrote: If you already give up so much time for translating, why don´t you fix grammar mistakes too? Was hard to read sometimes.
Anyway, thanks for the interview.
sorry its a bit rushed tonight, trying to get alot done, i gotta sleep soon dont want to leave empty thread, lol
God I miss my days in War3 where it was common ettique among pro players not to complain about balance (Of course with a few exceptions but those were looked down upon). It gave everyone else something to look up to. It created this image that pros don't think balance, they think solutions.
I dunno why everyone has gotten so whiny in SC2 TT. There has litterally never been a periode where a big chunck of pros (+part of community, of course) didn't cry imba on the behalf of their race. First Zerg, then Toss and now even the Terrans have fallen.
MKP in particular is a little disappointing. Been watching his games, and amazing as they are, I get kinda frustrated watching how often he gets killed by a cheese just cause he tries to be greedy too often, and people have figured this out. Watching Symbol actually go one base vs him on Entombed should let him know it's time to play abit safer I feel :p He definitely has the skill to play safe and win.
On June 22 2012 04:38 Cereb wrote: God I miss my days in War3 where it was common ettique among pro players not to complain about balance (Of course with a few exceptions but those were looked down upon). It gave everyone else something to look up to. It created this image that pros don't think balance, they think solutions.
I dunno why everyone has gotten so whiny in SC2 TT. There has litterally never been a periode where a big chunck of pros (+part of community, of course) didn't cry imba on the behalf of their race. First Zerg, then Toss and now even the Terrans have fallen.
MKP in particular is a little disappointing. Been watching his games, and amazing as they are, I get kinda frustrated watching how often he gets killed by a cheese just cause he tries to be greedy too often, and people have figured this out. Watching Symbol actually go one base vs him on Entombed should let him know it's time to play abit safer I feel :p He definitely has the skill to play safe and win.
Other than that, great interviews
lol he explains he has 10% winrate vs zerg. cereb answer: he should stop being greedy and rely on standard play.
huh
also war3 players were like ten times as whiny as star2 ones ? and also very bm too.
the game has never been as imbalanced as it is now, maybe back in the beta. You have to understand how stupid the game is right now where NA zergs can easily beat KR terrans. Just imagine how frustrating it is for them and their pride, it really is understandable why they are whining so much.
Edit: blizz won't fix till HotS unless ALOT of progamers voice their opinions, which is what we need.
On June 22 2012 04:38 Cereb wrote: God I miss my days in War3 where it was common ettique among pro players not to complain about balance (Of course with a few exceptions but those were looked down upon). It gave everyone else something to look up to. It created this image that pros don't think balance, they think solutions.
I am really curious how this went with BW since there barely are any patches.
On June 22 2012 04:38 Cereb wrote: God I miss my days in War3 where it was common ettique among pro players not to complain about balance (Of course with a few exceptions but those were looked down upon). It gave everyone else something to look up to. It created this image that pros don't think balance, they think solutions.
I dunno why everyone has gotten so whiny in SC2 TT. There has litterally never been a periode where a big chunck of pros (+part of community, of course) didn't cry imba on the behalf of their race. First Zerg, then Toss and now even the Terrans have fallen.
MKP in particular is a little disappointing. Been watching his games, and amazing as they are, I get kinda frustrated watching how often he gets killed by a cheese just cause he tries to be greedy too often, and people have figured this out. Watching Symbol actually go one base vs him on Entombed should let him know it's time to play abit safer I feel :p He definitely has the skill to play safe and win.
Other than that, great interviews
The reason for everyone crying is because Blizzard are a bunch of incompetent fools who keep messing up the game and wasting everyones time.
The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
If the game is unbalanced, you should WANT people to bring it up. Balance whining is only annoying when the problem lies with the player, not the game.
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
That's so untrue. UD and NE complained for years about tanks/towers which on a lot of maps was an unbeatable strat when plaid right. It eventually got patched.
Same thing about HU tower-rush.
Do you remember mass dryads back at the time they only were 40xp and that the tree of life buildtime was ridiculously low ? It got patched as well.
Also mass druid of the talons back when Orc SW were not resistant to cyclone was way too strong : all Orcs complained about it and it got patched.
Also gnollwood was considerd as a freewin for Orc, and LT a freewin for HU. That mattered a lot since War3 had only ~6-7 maps in its pool.
Plus, 80% of all the comment section of both replayers.com and wcreplays.com consisted in balance complains.
Everybody complained about balance in War3. Even when the game was dying, people were still complaining about balance, about the blademaster more precisely, and the fact that Orc was winning 3/4 of the tournaments.
On June 22 2012 04:38 Cereb wrote: God I miss my days in War3 where it was common ettique among pro players not to complain about balance (Of course with a few exceptions but those were looked down upon). It gave everyone else something to look up to. It created this image that pros don't think balance, they think solutions.
I dunno why everyone has gotten so whiny in SC2 TT. There has litterally never been a periode where a big chunck of pros (+part of community, of course) didn't cry imba on the behalf of their race. First Zerg, then Toss and now even the Terrans have fallen.
MKP in particular is a little disappointing. Been watching his games, and amazing as they are, I get kinda frustrated watching how often he gets killed by a cheese just cause he tries to be greedy too often, and people have figured this out. Watching Symbol actually go one base vs him on Entombed should let him know it's time to play abit safer I feel :p He definitely has the skill to play safe and win.
Other than that, great interviews
The mentality behind his getting greedy is the fact that Zerg cannot be punished early game anymore because of the recent patch buffs.
Therefore, if Terran is unable to pressure Zerg, the only other option is to try and keep up with them in a macro game. And of course this is exploitable and appears "greedy", but it's the only way to win now against a half decent Zerg player.
That's why the patch was dumb - it took away one Terran's only TvZ advantages between the early game and the extended late game. Now, Terran has to try and get to the extended late game as fast as possible, but in the meantime Zerg has a 20 minute timing window to kill Terran. It's kind of sad.
And if MKP has only a 10% winrate doing that, something is wrong indeed.
I think violet got the closest to the problem in tvz right now. The terrans that do fine are the ones that just don't care about the 6 queens. While the zerg just has nothing in response to banshees or drops of any kind. I am sure terrans will find a solution again, that won't end up into being do or die. But i kinda fear that this time it will be to late and we will end up getting zerged up by Blizzard. In other words they buff us needlessly and we will be lazy like a zerg and won't bother finding new ways.
People always way undervalue the importance of mindgames and preparation in the GSL, general strength of the player/race is not as important as it is in a tournament where you can't prepare for an specific opponent, the GSL is when the better players shine through fighting against all odds, that and SuhoSin, Leenock and Sniper played very very badly(meh "opinionated", this is factual)
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
That's so untrue. UD and NE complained for years about tanks/towers which on a lot of maps was an unbeatable strat when plaid right. It eventually got patched.
Same thing about HU tower-rush.
Do you remember mass dryads back at the time they only were 40xp and that the tree of life buildtime was ridiculously low ? It got patched as well.
Also mass druid of the talons back when Orc SW were not resistant to cyclone was way too strong : all Orcs complained about it and it got patched.
Also gnollwood was considerd as a freewin for Orc, and LT a freewin for HU. That mattered a lot since War3 had only ~6-7 maps in its pool.
Plus, 80% of all the comment section of both replayers.com and wcreplays.com consisted in balance complains.
Everybody complained about balance in War3. Even when the game was dying, people were still complaining about balance, about the blademaster more precisely, and the fact that Orc was winning 3/4 of the tournaments.
You do make alot of good points. Unfortunately, people definitely complained alot then too, but I still feel like the actual pro players would be much more silent on the balance issue. Alot of them had adopted the "I don't comment/think about balance" kind of attitude.
But regardless of whether that's right or wrong (as it is only my perception), I guess it didn't really do much to decrease the amount of balance complaint from the regular player base, but I still find it admirable and nice that many pros stayed clear of balance talk.
I can't really force pro's to not talk about it, but I surely have alot of respect for those who are able to simply play with the tools they are given without having to complain about these publicly. We already have more than enough fuel on that particular fire without their remarks.
On a side note: They nerfed tower rushes?! When was this ? What a treat, I hated those! hehe
Also that is very true CakeSauc3. Good points! But I still feel stuff like failing to wall in scan or scout and also going for CC first in many many games is just taking it abit too far...As we saw in Taeja's games today vs Leenoch - If you have excellent building placement you can pretty much nolify those early game roach bane attacks which I would love to see more of from MKP just cause he effing smashes 95% of his opponents once he survives the early game attacks
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
That's so untrue. UD and NE complained for years about tanks/towers which on a lot of maps was an unbeatable strat when plaid right. It eventually got patched.
Same thing about HU tower-rush.
Do you remember mass dryads back at the time they only were 40xp and that the tree of life buildtime was ridiculously low ? It got patched as well.
Also mass druid of the talons back when Orc SW were not resistant to cyclone was way too strong : all Orcs complained about it and it got patched.
Also gnollwood was considerd as a freewin for Orc, and LT a freewin for HU. That mattered a lot since War3 had only ~6-7 maps in its pool.
Plus, 80% of all the comment section of both replayers.com and wcreplays.com consisted in balance complains.
Everybody complained about balance in War3. Even when the game was dying, people were still complaining about balance, about the blademaster more precisely, and the fact that Orc was winning 3/4 of the tournaments.
You do make alot of good points. Unfortunately, people definitely complained alot then too, but I still feel like the actual pro players would be much more silent on the balance issue. Alot of them had adopted the "I don't comment/think about balance" kind of attitude.
But regardless of whether that's right or wrong (as it is only my perception), I guess it didn't really do much to decrease the amount of balance complaint from the regular player base, but I still find it admirable and nice that many pros stayed clear of balance talk.
I can't really force pro's to not talk about it, but I surely have alot of respect for those who are able to simply play with the tools they are given without having to complain about these publicly. We already have more than enough fuel on that particular fire without their remarks.
On a side note: They nerfed tower rushes?! When was this ? What a treat, I hated those! hehe
Also that is very true CakeSauc3. Good points! But I still feel stuff like failing to wall in scan or scout and also going for CC first in many many games is just taking it abit too far...As we saw in Taeja's games today vs Leenoch - If you have excellent building placement you can pretty much nolify those early game roach bane attacks which I would love to see more of from MKP just cause he effing smashes 95% of his opponents once he survives the early game attacks
The only people who SHOULD be discussing balance is the pros. It is their livelihood, and a balanced game that rewards skill regardless of race is of primary importance, not the misplaced respect you have for people who are 'above' balance discussion. If there is an imbalance, it SHOULD be discussed. Balance discussion is only taboo because there are idiots in gold and plat league who are clueless and complain about things that are perfectly fine. There is certainly nothing wrong with it when done by professionals who understand the game at a much deeper level.
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
If Blizzard didn't feel the need to push out a patch without testing it in depth and screw over the professional players maybe they wouldn't have to complain about it. Everyone is saying " lol no need to patch it let the terrans figure it out "
Why did we need the patch in the first place if balance should not be changed via patches, we should have let the zergs " figure it out " instead. People defending this situation just blows my mind. I guess It's okay to force one race to adapt to a patch but not the other ones. Same shit happened with the Blue Flame nerf because Zergs didn't use building walls and sim city like other races to prevent the damage, they started doing it after the nerf already happened.
The Snipe nerf is just as silly. Terran has been constantly getting nerfed over time while Zerg has been buffed ( fungal patch, now this ) and now It's finally been tipped over the edge of ridiculousness where Zerg is favored in all phases of the game in ZvT.
On June 22 2012 09:58 Itsmedudeman wrote: Let's just bring back steppes of war.
You could also think of it this way, pros put their careers and livelihood at risk by playing esports in general, and when you have a patch as game changing as the queen range buff suddenly come out of nowhere without warning forcing you to rethink your entire playstyle, I would get pretty mad and whine all the time too. This is why I get mad at the people that just say "LOL TERRAN LEARN TO PLAY". Tell that to the korean pros who took the risk of doing esports as their career and tell them to learn to play. The buffs literally came out of nowhere with no input from any of the pros, changed the metagame entirely and have even made it to the point to where terrans cannot even compete at the same level as protoss and zerg for a month and people just say they have no right to complain and they should just "figure things out over time"? If this was any other sport everyone would be asking for a change in management but since this is SC2, people are just happy about terran getting "justice" .
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
That's so untrue. UD and NE complained for years about tanks/towers which on a lot of maps was an unbeatable strat when plaid right. It eventually got patched.
Same thing about HU tower-rush.
Do you remember mass dryads back at the time they only were 40xp and that the tree of life buildtime was ridiculously low ? It got patched as well.
Also mass druid of the talons back when Orc SW were not resistant to cyclone was way too strong : all Orcs complained about it and it got patched.
Also gnollwood was considerd as a freewin for Orc, and LT a freewin for HU. That mattered a lot since War3 had only ~6-7 maps in its pool.
Plus, 80% of all the comment section of both replayers.com and wcreplays.com consisted in balance complains.
Everybody complained about balance in War3. Even when the game was dying, people were still complaining about balance, about the blademaster more precisely, and the fact that Orc was winning 3/4 of the tournaments.
You do make alot of good points. Unfortunately, people definitely complained alot then too, but I still feel like the actual pro players would be much more silent on the balance issue. Alot of them had adopted the "I don't comment/think about balance" kind of attitude.
But regardless of whether that's right or wrong (as it is only my perception), I guess it didn't really do much to decrease the amount of balance complaint from the regular player base, but I still find it admirable and nice that many pros stayed clear of balance talk.
I can't really force pro's to not talk about it, but I surely have alot of respect for those who are able to simply play with the tools they are given without having to complain about these publicly. We already have more than enough fuel on that particular fire without their remarks.
On a side note: They nerfed tower rushes?! When was this ? What a treat, I hated those! hehe
Also that is very true CakeSauc3. Good points! But I still feel stuff like failing to wall in scan or scout and also going for CC first in many many games is just taking it abit too far...As we saw in Taeja's games today vs Leenoch - If you have excellent building placement you can pretty much nolify those early game roach bane attacks which I would love to see more of from MKP just cause he effing smashes 95% of his opponents once he survives the early game attacks
The only people who SHOULD be discussing balance is the pros. It is their livelihood, and a balanced game that rewards skill regardless of race is of primary importance, not the misplaced respect you have for people who are 'above' balance discussion. If there is an imbalance, it SHOULD be discussed. Balance discussion is only taboo because there are idiots in gold and plat league who are clueless and complain about things that are perfectly fine. There is certainly nothing wrong with it when done by professionals who understand the game at a much deeper level.
There are idiots among pros that do it too, watch sotg 71.
I think Violet hit the nail on the head. Terran are so worried about the queens that they aren't playing like they should/usually would.
On the flip side of things, I believe the queen patch helped to stabilize ZvZ immensely (sorry Terran, the world doesn't revolve around you :/) which is why he prefers mirror matchups over vT.
On June 22 2012 06:59 Cereb wrote: The fact that I'm getting more balance complaints as a respons to me being sad and tired of the pro's of every race in SC2 complaining about balance is kinda saddening.
Blizzard is definitely not a bunch of incompetent fools. Making the most balanced and successful RTS games of all time, with the second place not even being close to their ability to make amazing games. War3 pros definitely complained alot less. I followed that scene for many many years. Am I not allowed to comment on MKP's play? Is this right reserved for Terran players talking about how horrible every Zerg player who loses are? I am not talking about this 10% winrate that he apparantly has in practice unlike his tournament games. I just wish he wouldn't.
I long for the day when this game will no longer be patched. Maybe then people will feel that their complaints are fruitless unlike these times where people are acting like children begging their daddy (Blizzard) for stuff all the bloody time.
That's so untrue. UD and NE complained for years about tanks/towers which on a lot of maps was an unbeatable strat when plaid right. It eventually got patched.
Same thing about HU tower-rush.
Do you remember mass dryads back at the time they only were 40xp and that the tree of life buildtime was ridiculously low ? It got patched as well.
Also mass druid of the talons back when Orc SW were not resistant to cyclone was way too strong : all Orcs complained about it and it got patched.
Also gnollwood was considerd as a freewin for Orc, and LT a freewin for HU. That mattered a lot since War3 had only ~6-7 maps in its pool.
Plus, 80% of all the comment section of both replayers.com and wcreplays.com consisted in balance complains.
Everybody complained about balance in War3. Even when the game was dying, people were still complaining about balance, about the blademaster more precisely, and the fact that Orc was winning 3/4 of the tournaments.
You do make alot of good points. Unfortunately, people definitely complained alot then too, but I still feel like the actual pro players would be much more silent on the balance issue. Alot of them had adopted the "I don't comment/think about balance" kind of attitude.
But regardless of whether that's right or wrong (as it is only my perception), I guess it didn't really do much to decrease the amount of balance complaint from the regular player base, but I still find it admirable and nice that many pros stayed clear of balance talk.
I can't really force pro's to not talk about it, but I surely have alot of respect for those who are able to simply play with the tools they are given without having to complain about these publicly. We already have more than enough fuel on that particular fire without their remarks.
On a side note: They nerfed tower rushes?! When was this ? What a treat, I hated those! hehe
Also that is very true CakeSauc3. Good points! But I still feel stuff like failing to wall in scan or scout and also going for CC first in many many games is just taking it abit too far...As we saw in Taeja's games today vs Leenoch - If you have excellent building placement you can pretty much nolify those early game roach bane attacks which I would love to see more of from MKP just cause he effing smashes 95% of his opponents once he survives the early game attacks
It is hard to adopt that kind of attitude, if blizzard is so eager (and daring) with patching. :-/
If anyone can find a breakthrough, it'd be the SlayerS Terran roster. Doesn't guarantee anything though.
On June 21 2012 21:51 Dodgin wrote: I wonder how many S class Terran players opinions it takes to get a Queen buff reverted.
Blizzard believes that all pro players are so biased, its barely worth listening to them, regardless of game knowledge. Almost all of the balance "discussions" are internal.
2:30
I exaggerated slightly, but listening to his entire opinion on community polling for balance makes it appear that they really don't want input on what they're doing, regardless of skill tier.
Ryung: "But I haven't played alot of TvZ yet, yet I feel zerg is so strong in NA bnet, that's enough to prove that the race is the most unbalanced in history. But conversely, if someone can make a good show in vZ, he would be a big star. I was thinking that way too. During this difficult times if you make a break through you will definitely leave a large print (image) for everyone. I also talk about it with my team. If we can find some new strategy before the Ro16 I think I can make a breakthrough."
what the fuck? zerg is so imbalanced yet he hopes to make a "breakthrough" in ro16 already (if tvz)? stop the fucking whining already. fucking hell so sick of it
On June 30 2012 04:52 PredY wrote: Ryung: "But I haven't played alot of TvZ yet, yet I feel zerg is so strong in NA bnet, that's enough to prove that the race is the most unbalanced in history. But conversely, if someone can make a good show in vZ, he would be a big star. I was thinking that way too. During this difficult times if you make a break through you will definitely leave a large print (image) for everyone. I also talk about it with my team. If we can find some new strategy before the Ro16 I think I can make a breakthrough."
what the fuck? zerg is so imbalanced yet he hopes to make a "breakthrough" in ro16 already (if tvz)? stop the fucking whining already. fucking hell so sick of it
I read and reread and reread your comment. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
On June 30 2012 04:52 PredY wrote: Ryung: "But I haven't played alot of TvZ yet, yet I feel zerg is so strong in NA bnet, that's enough to prove that the race is the most unbalanced in history. But conversely, if someone can make a good show in vZ, he would be a big star. I was thinking that way too. During this difficult times if you make a break through you will definitely leave a large print (image) for everyone. I also talk about it with my team. If we can find some new strategy before the Ro16 I think I can make a breakthrough."
what the fuck? zerg is so imbalanced yet he hopes to make a "breakthrough" in ro16 already (if tvz)? stop the fucking whining already. fucking hell so sick of it
I read and reread and reread your comment. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Could you please rephrase it?
yes sorry, i quoted ryung's views on tvz, where he says zerg is "the most imbalanced in history". then he goes on to say he hopes to make a breakthrough in ro16 (against the most imbalanced state of a race in history) which is like in few weeks. i hope blizzard keeps it like it is for as long as possible and let players figure out new ways to play, which is what blizzard should have been doing since the beggining.
Good interviews, and very interesting opinions about TvZ. I have to admit that 10% sounds bad, but at least all of these guys are really top level, and will stay that way. Go GSL.
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Ryung：Playing on NA Server resulted in TvZ all loss, MMA can get out of his slump![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MTeU9.jpg)
Leenock you won 2-0 flawlessly.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d2V6L.jpg)
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PartinG again, how did you feel after seeing the match-up?![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lzO3w.jpg)
