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On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.
I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.
But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)
Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.
Why are you even on this site other than to just shit on SC2 every post?
What are you going to do when there is no more BW games to watch?
Just make inflammatory comments until you get banned?
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On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.
I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.
But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)
Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.
seriously in BW forums sc2 players get banned for saying shit like this all the time
User was warned for this post
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He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern.
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On June 13 2012 07:19 Probe1 wrote:
He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern.
Look at his post history, he goes out of his way, like in this post, to make sure everybody knows how much he hates sc2 and how inferior he thinks it is to bw.
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Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.
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On June 13 2012 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.
That is bad logic. Just because someone has content in their post doesn't mean they can be an asshole. And a lot of his posts, at least in bw section, was just pure bashing.
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On June 13 2012 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.
It doesn't work that way. That line was totally not needed at all.
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On June 13 2012 08:21 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:19 Probe1 wrote:
He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern. Look at his post history, he goes out of his way, like in this post, to make sure everybody knows how much he hates sc2 and how inferior he thinks it is to bw.
Does it matter how many lines it was? He was trying to flame, just report the guy and move on.
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I could see this actually airing on Showtime. The reason is that they don't have to worry about broadcast schedule with the news and 60 minutes and stuff. the NFL.
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On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.
I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.
But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)
Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.
I think it would be best if you refrained from posting on SC2 forums.
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This can be nothing but positive for the eSports community!
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That's a big company there, but I have no clue what they plan to do with it. MLG is tiny when it comes to how much runtime it is vs viewers. It's not gonna fit 30 minute to 1 hour time slots, and it won't bring enough viewers to even justify that.
They might be able to broadcasts MLG finals in a subsidiary channel. Or feature MLG via internet instead of TV.
I do dream that SCII will make it onto mainstream TV with the big boys
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On June 13 2012 10:13 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.
I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.
But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)
Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with. I think it would be best if you refrained from posting on SC2 forums.
Pfft. Most of my post was in regards to how an unsuccessful endeavor would be detrimental to E-sports. My bit on SC2 is just my opinion, and I was addressing real concerns in regards the the future proliferation of E-sports. I would much prefer if the organizers pursued sponsors/broadcasters from major media corporations after the scene is more solidified. Right now, the only successful way for e-sports in the foreign scene is online streaming. It just doesn't make fiscal sense to major broadcasters like CBS to dabble in a product that will get less viewers than horrendous shows like Whitney. All it will show CBS and other companies like them is that E-sports isn't profitable.
Are we going to sit down and watch whatever they broadcast? Most of us knowing that VODs will be released soon after will just watch those at our convenience. When shows like Community which has a cult following is on the verge of being cancelled due to horrible ratings, what will happen to SC2 when the ratings won't even be close to these other shows that are struggling with viewers. Plus it doesn't help that it won't be on the main CBS channel, and with such a multinational following that SC2 scene has, I doubt most of us will even have the channel to watch it on whatever channel it will be broadcasted on. I have an extensive Satelite TV plan, I don't have the subsidiary channels for CBS sports or CBSi. This is a valid concern.
Another factor is that E-sports shines when there is a figure that the audience falls in love with. E-sports in Korea couldn't have succeeded without an iconic figure, Boxer. Right now in MLG with mostly the Koreans dominating it, I just can't see the appeal that would draw in the casual viewers needed to boost the ratings. "Oh, it's another random korean whose name I can't say playing another Korean in the finals. I think I'll turn the channel." You NEED a charismatic character to have the show revolve around to sell the product. Unfortunately, I don't really see one currently on the scene that will make it far in the MLG, especially if they decide just to broadcast the later stages of the tourney.
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Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...
Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.
How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.
I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).
I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports.
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On June 14 2012 02:54 Garaman wrote:
Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...
Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.
How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.
I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).
I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports.
Community is a prime-time comedy. I'm not sure why your comparing eSports to it? How is this relevant?
You need to learn why boxing went to and was successful with a PPV model. Boxing PPVs are completely driven by the top of the ticket, by superstars who only fight a few times a year. People are willing to pay for it when it is one of the three times these athletes will compete all year. MLG calls their broadcast PPV, but in reality paying for 3 full days of content is nothing similar to paying for 2-3 hours worth of content (which is what boxing/UFC/WWE PPVs are). It would be a very hard sell for an eSports fan to pay for a single BoX on TV PPV.
I don't need to correct your sc2 bashing, because the error in that is self evident.
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On June 14 2012 03:05 Dante_A_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 02:54 Garaman wrote:
Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...
Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.
How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.
I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).
I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports. Community is a prime-time comedy. I'm not sure why your comparing eSports to it? How is this relevant? You need to learn why boxing went to and was successful with a PPV model. Boxing PPVs are completely driven by the top of the ticket, by superstars who only fight a few times a year. People are willing to pay for it when it is one of the three times these athletes will compete all year. MLG calls their broadcast PPV, but in reality paying for 3 full days of content is nothing similar to paying for 2-3 hours worth of content (which is what boxing/UFC/WWE PPVs are). It would be a very hard sell for an eSports fan to pay for a single BoX on TV PPV. I don't need to correct your sc2 bashing, because the error in that is self evident.
It's relevant because some people were advocating for it to be on the CBS main channel. It would be subject to comparisons with other TV shows no? Why shouldn't we compare numbers for lagging shows?
MLG finals are only a handful of times a year right? I can't imagine CBS devoting such a large chunk of time to broadcast the whole of MLG, I can only see quarters and up being broadcasted.
I don't see where I bashed sc2 in the previous post, and there is no error that is evident. It's simply a matter of opinion, a very valid one at that.
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I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe
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On June 15 2012 10:30 rift wrote:
I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe
Does having Koreans in the final really detriment the viewership of the game THAT much where major companies are turned off by it? Would it really matter that much to a casual fan who probably wont be seeing the players because they are in a booth? And if the casters hype up a player, say LiquidHerO for instance, and talk about how unique he is and aggressive his styles are; wouldnt that be enough to keep people watching?
I am seriously wondering because i have always heard this and was wondering what the exact reasoning is.
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wow this is pretty big for MLG
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On June 17 2012 23:41 Oblivion753 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 10:30 rift wrote:
I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe Does having Koreans in the final really detriment the viewership of the game THAT much where major companies are turned off by it? Would it really matter that much to a casual fan who probably wont be seeing the players because they are in a booth? And if the casters hype up a player, say LiquidHerO for instance, and talk about how unique he is and aggressive his styles are; wouldnt that be enough to keep people watching? I am seriously wondering because i have always heard this and was wondering what the exact reasoning is.
Unfortunately I think Oblivion is right; having Koreans in the finals DOES detriment the viewership of a game that most people don't know about (for the average TV viewer). Watch the Olympics coming up and see how much time is dedicated to the heart warming story stuff instead of the actual games. Maybe if the casters talk about the human story and the players are able to talk about themselves in English, and maybe it could work. Compound all of that on top of the fact that SC2 is a difficult thing for people who don't play games to understand and big networks will really think twice before taking a risk on it.
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