• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:07
CET 16:07
KST 00:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0247LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) WardiTV Team League Season 10 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April The Dave Testa Open #11
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh BW General Discussion TvZ is the most complete match up CasterMuse Youtube ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Mexico's Drug War Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
YOUTUBE VIDEO
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1147 users

CBS May Broadcast MLG On TV This Fall - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
245 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 Next All
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
June 12 2012 19:56 GMT
#221
On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.

I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.

But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)

Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.


Why are you even on this site other than to just shit on SC2 every post?
What are you going to do when there is no more BW games to watch?
Just make inflammatory comments until you get banned?
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 21:54:57
June 12 2012 21:54 GMT
#222
On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.

I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.

But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)

Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.



seriously in BW forums sc2 players get banned for saying shit like this all the time

User was warned for this post
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 22:20:27
June 12 2012 22:19 GMT
#223
He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
June 12 2012 23:21 GMT
#224
On June 13 2012 07:19 Probe1 wrote:
He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern.


Look at his post history, he goes out of his way, like in this post, to make sure everybody knows how much he hates sc2 and how inferior he thinks it is to bw.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 23:52:33
June 12 2012 23:51 GMT
#225
Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
June 13 2012 00:16 GMT
#226
On June 13 2012 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.


That is bad logic. Just because someone has content in their post doesn't mean they can be an asshole. And a lot of his posts, at least in bw section, was just pure bashing.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#227
On June 13 2012 08:51 Probe1 wrote:
Actually I did. He can dislike Starcraft 2. That is allowed. If it was only SC2 bashing then there may be a point to be had but as you can see, there is usually content along with it. That is a factor often missing in BW bashing posts.

It doesn't work that way. That line was totally not needed at all.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
June 13 2012 00:53 GMT
#228
On June 13 2012 08:21 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:19 Probe1 wrote:
He only said one negative line about SC2. The first half of his post was on point and a legitimate concern.


Look at his post history, he goes out of his way, like in this post, to make sure everybody knows how much he hates sc2 and how inferior he thinks it is to bw.


Does it matter how many lines it was? He was trying to flame, just report the guy and move on.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 13 2012 00:56 GMT
#229
I could see this actually airing on Showtime. The reason is that they don't have to worry about broadcast schedule with the news and 60 minutes and stuff. the NFL.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
June 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#230
On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.

I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.

But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)

Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.


I think it would be best if you refrained from posting on SC2 forums.
simian_sc
Profile Joined August 2010
United States91 Posts
June 13 2012 12:43 GMT
#231
This can be nothing but positive for the eSports community!
"I only speak two languages, english and bad english."
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
June 13 2012 15:01 GMT
#232
That's a big company there, but I have no clue what they plan to do with it. MLG is tiny when it comes to how much runtime it is vs viewers. It's not gonna fit 30 minute to 1 hour time slots, and it won't bring enough viewers to even justify that.

They might be able to broadcasts MLG finals in a subsidiary channel. Or feature MLG via internet instead of TV.

I do dream that SCII will make it onto mainstream TV with the big boys
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 13 2012 17:43 GMT
#233
On June 13 2012 10:13 Mr Showtime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 02:58 Garaman wrote:
This isn't going to work. The offshoot channels of CBS... even with Dish Network top 200 package, I don't get access to the channel.

I feel like they will dabble, find out it isn't profitable, and it will instead set back E-sports even more by discouraging future major networks from bothering with it after the precedent is set by CBS and whichever subsidiary service they use for this experiment.

But then again, SC2 suffering... music to my ears =)

Bad for e-sports though. I would have waited for the scene to become more solidified, and have heroes/figures like Boxer to emerge from the American scene that people will fall in love with.


I think it would be best if you refrained from posting on SC2 forums.



Pfft. Most of my post was in regards to how an unsuccessful endeavor would be detrimental to E-sports. My bit on SC2 is just my opinion, and I was addressing real concerns in regards the the future proliferation of E-sports. I would much prefer if the organizers pursued sponsors/broadcasters from major media corporations after the scene is more solidified. Right now, the only successful way for e-sports in the foreign scene is online streaming. It just doesn't make fiscal sense to major broadcasters like CBS to dabble in a product that will get less viewers than horrendous shows like Whitney. All it will show CBS and other companies like them is that E-sports isn't profitable.

Are we going to sit down and watch whatever they broadcast? Most of us knowing that VODs will be released soon after will just watch those at our convenience. When shows like Community which has a cult following is on the verge of being cancelled due to horrible ratings, what will happen to SC2 when the ratings won't even be close to these other shows that are struggling with viewers. Plus it doesn't help that it won't be on the main CBS channel, and with such a multinational following that SC2 scene has, I doubt most of us will even have the channel to watch it on whatever channel it will be broadcasted on. I have an extensive Satelite TV plan, I don't have the subsidiary channels for CBS sports or CBSi. This is a valid concern.

Another factor is that E-sports shines when there is a figure that the audience falls in love with. E-sports in Korea couldn't have succeeded without an iconic figure, Boxer. Right now in MLG with mostly the Koreans dominating it, I just can't see the appeal that would draw in the casual viewers needed to boost the ratings. "Oh, it's another random korean whose name I can't say playing another Korean in the finals. I think I'll turn the channel." You NEED a charismatic character to have the show revolve around to sell the product. Unfortunately, I don't really see one currently on the scene that will make it far in the MLG, especially if they decide just to broadcast the later stages of the tourney.

Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 13 2012 17:54 GMT
#234
Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...

Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.

How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.

I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).

I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports.
Dante_A_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States161 Posts
June 13 2012 18:05 GMT
#235
On June 14 2012 02:54 Garaman wrote:
Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...

Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.

How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.

I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).

I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports.


Community is a prime-time comedy. I'm not sure why your comparing eSports to it? How is this relevant?

You need to learn why boxing went to and was successful with a PPV model. Boxing PPVs are completely driven by the top of the ticket, by superstars who only fight a few times a year. People are willing to pay for it when it is one of the three times these athletes will compete all year. MLG calls their broadcast PPV, but in reality paying for 3 full days of content is nothing similar to paying for 2-3 hours worth of content (which is what boxing/UFC/WWE PPVs are). It would be a very hard sell for an eSports fan to pay for a single BoX on TV PPV.

I don't need to correct your sc2 bashing, because the error in that is self evident.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 13 2012 18:22 GMT
#236
On June 14 2012 03:05 Dante_A_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 02:54 Garaman wrote:
Just to put ratings into numbers for a major broadcasting station...

Community at 3.1 million views on live TV (ratings don't include hulu and online streaming BTW, even if you watch the commercials when it is streamed by the company that broadcasts it) and is considered horrendous rating wise. The number is actually a lot higher if you include people on Hulu, other people watching it streamed on the parent company's website, and people who TiVo the show.

How many people watched the MLG? Most people streamed it, and the people who showed up paid to watch it, that's great for the sponsors.

I actually believe they are better off making MLG PPV first, like boxing does with their matches. While it isn't great for the fans, it would benefit the e-sports industry if they proved to network television, SC2 can be viable broadcast on TV. Maybe it will sway a company to dabble in it on their major channels that everyone has (like ESPN2, Discovery, etc etc).

I just don't believe from the information provided in the OP, that this will be successful, and actually more harmful in the long run to e-sports.


Community is a prime-time comedy. I'm not sure why your comparing eSports to it? How is this relevant?

You need to learn why boxing went to and was successful with a PPV model. Boxing PPVs are completely driven by the top of the ticket, by superstars who only fight a few times a year. People are willing to pay for it when it is one of the three times these athletes will compete all year. MLG calls their broadcast PPV, but in reality paying for 3 full days of content is nothing similar to paying for 2-3 hours worth of content (which is what boxing/UFC/WWE PPVs are). It would be a very hard sell for an eSports fan to pay for a single BoX on TV PPV.

I don't need to correct your sc2 bashing, because the error in that is self evident.


It's relevant because some people were advocating for it to be on the CBS main channel. It would be subject to comparisons with other TV shows no? Why shouldn't we compare numbers for lagging shows?

MLG finals are only a handful of times a year right? I can't imagine CBS devoting such a large chunk of time to broadcast the whole of MLG, I can only see quarters and up being broadcasted.

I don't see where I bashed sc2 in the previous post, and there is no error that is evident. It's simply a matter of opinion, a very valid one at that.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 01:35:37
June 15 2012 01:30 GMT
#237
I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe
Oblivion753
Profile Joined May 2011
United States73 Posts
June 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#238
On June 15 2012 10:30 rift wrote:
I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe

Does having Koreans in the final really detriment the viewership of the game THAT much where major companies are turned off by it? Would it really matter that much to a casual fan who probably wont be seeing the players because they are in a booth? And if the casters hype up a player, say LiquidHerO for instance, and talk about how unique he is and aggressive his styles are; wouldnt that be enough to keep people watching?
I am seriously wondering because i have always heard this and was wondering what the exact reasoning is.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire
FlyingBanana
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia43 Posts
June 19 2012 08:37 GMT
#239
wow this is pretty big for MLG
Like A Boss
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 19 2012 20:46 GMT
#240
On June 17 2012 23:41 Oblivion753 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 10:30 rift wrote:
I can see CBS slowly stepping away once they see almost only Koreans in the top 16 lol...they know the necessity of relatable white people to your average network TV watching joe

Does having Koreans in the final really detriment the viewership of the game THAT much where major companies are turned off by it? Would it really matter that much to a casual fan who probably wont be seeing the players because they are in a booth? And if the casters hype up a player, say LiquidHerO for instance, and talk about how unique he is and aggressive his styles are; wouldnt that be enough to keep people watching?
I am seriously wondering because i have always heard this and was wondering what the exact reasoning is.


Unfortunately I think Oblivion is right; having Koreans in the finals DOES detriment the viewership of a game that most people don't know about (for the average TV viewer). Watch the Olympics coming up and see how much time is dedicated to the heart warming story stuff instead of the actual games. Maybe if the casters talk about the human story and the players are able to talk about themselves in English, and maybe it could work. Compound all of that on top of the fact that SC2 is a difficult thing for people who don't play games to understand and big networks will really think twice before taking a risk on it.
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
PiGFest 7 Playoffs Day 1
Serral vs herOLIVE!
PiGStarcraft1851
ComeBackTV 833
Rex204
IndyStarCraft 186
BRAT_OK 152
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1851
Lowko415
Rex 204
IndyStarCraft 191
BRAT_OK 152
ProTech37
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34392
Sea 4877
Rain 2414
Jaedong 2094
BeSt 738
Soma 668
Stork 472
ZerO 312
hero 297
Light 220
[ Show more ]
Rush 154
Dewaltoss 108
EffOrt 90
Movie 65
Barracks 64
Nal_rA 59
Snow 55
Hm[arnc] 53
JulyZerg 49
Mind 47
[sc1f]eonzerg 47
Backho 47
ToSsGirL 34
ggaemo 32
sorry 32
JYJ 25
IntoTheRainbow 16
Shine 13
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5518
qojqva1780
Fuzer 173
XcaliburYe114
Other Games
singsing2905
B2W.Neo816
Hui .188
crisheroes177
mouzStarbuck117
djWHEAT89
Sick52
QueenE51
Mew2King43
ArmadaUGS36
ToD31
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL332
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1609
• TFBlade920
Other Games
• WagamamaTV217
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 53m
Shino vs DnS
SpeCial vs Mixu
TriGGeR vs Cure
Korean StarCraft League
11h 53m
PiG Sty Festival
17h 53m
Reynor vs Clem
ShowTime vs SHIN
CranKy Ducklings
18h 53m
OSC
19h 53m
SC Evo Complete
22h 23m
DaveTesta Events
1d 3h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 17h
Maru vs TBD
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-26
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.