On July 04 2012 12:13 ZeromuS wrote: If things like ICCUP could have antihack that worked better than blizzard currently (i know they were free accounts so you could make many but the account would most likely eventually be banned) and it was free and ICCUP wasn't making tons of money in the same way Blizzard can I am sure.
So yes, Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat lets be honest here.
And as a note, I wouldn't mind paying 40 bucks or 60 bucks for a year. I know I did it for XBL due to quality of server maintenance and generally good anti hack protection and I wouldn't mind doing it for SC2.
You're stretching a bit here, I think. (Personal opinion.) Especially when you're saying "lets be honest here."
The more popular a service is, the more hackers go to attack it. ICCUP is arguably less popular than Blizzard as a whole. Even so, you don't have to look far to find ICCUP hacks. Just do a youtube search for it. Took me 5 seconds.
In light of that, I don't see any clear superiority to Blizzard in the hack department.
If you're suggesting Blizzard should somehow integrate with ICCUP, perhaps you should write Blizzard a nice letter. (Maybe Blizzard just doesn't know about ICCUP's antihack at all? or if they know, maybe Blizzard just hasn't considered integration for whatever reason? perhaps simple reasons that a nice letter could solve? I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong in this.)
Regarding your personal willingness to pay 40-60 dollars, that's fine for you, but I think if Blizzard announced that Battle.net would now require a 40 to 60 dollar annual fee to use, but that they would implement antihack, that people would just end up playing another game. SC2 isn't a MMORPG with regular content release like WoW. Being honest? Sure, let's be honest. Do you really see most people lining up to pay a regular annual subscription fee to use Battle.net, considering the current competition for the entertainment dollar, and the history of Battle.net? (I don't. But then, that's personal opinion.)
As far as XBL featuring good antihack protection -
Again, 5 seconds. Not hard to find. This is a premium regulated service.
Once again, let me emphasize - real world considerations. I'm seeing a posted reply that says "it shouldn't be a problem, and I'd personally be willing to pay 40-60 a year." But the posted reply doesn't account for the fact that hacking IS a problem (even for premium services), nor does it begin to consider that most players may not share the same mindset when it comes to disposable income. It's just more poorly considered bashing, to my mind, topped off by the condescending "lets be honest here".
But then, you know, really, I don't think that was MEANT to be condescending, which is the mark of really great condescension. "You wouldn't understand, just get back in the kitchen now and look pretty" &c.
It's amazing how simple it is to solve things, especially when you don't need a solution that works.
(Oh, all right, that's a *bit* of a dig there. But really, let's be honest here.)
OK,
So I see you are a little salty. My "lets be honest here" is in reference to the fact that "Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat".
I am not saying most people could afford 40 bucks a year but if its simply a resource problem for Blizzard they can monetize it to make it affordable to maintain a less hacker filled server.
I never said Blizzard should integrate with ICCUP, instead I say that ICCUP a group that makes FAR less money than blizzard and has its own servers and ladder and admins that help to regulate hackers does a generally better job at simply regulating ladder and following up on hackers.
Of course hacks exist they will always exist. What I am saying is that other companies do a better job of regulating hackers than Blizzard. Can you hack on iccup? Sure. If you get high enough on their ladder, someone will notice, people will review you will probably get banned. Will everyone? No. Will people known as hackers who are exposed remain playing on the ICCUP ladder for long? No. Will players known to be hackers be invited to a major ICCUP LAN tournament? No.
I know XBL has hacks but they seem to do a better job dealing with XBL hackers than Blizzard has been lately.
As a note, you really shouldn't post any links to even videos with hacks when you post on TL, I dont think its looked upon kindly.
On July 03 2012 21:50 skrillex123 wrote: Doodsmack first it was hacking, now it's maphacking then got account leveled. You need to chill out. Until you got more evidence just be quiet. and stop whispering all my friends for replays. ur harassment is getting really annoying. I DONT HACK, isuruscham DOESNT HACK just stop accusing everyone if you don't have evidence. It's serious for top tier players
Lol I haven't asked your friends for replays unless isurus is your friend. And please don't claim that you use different hotkeys in team games and 1v1s. Your account got leveled into GM despite your association with blatant fog of war peaking teammates and probable hacking yourself. The leveler deserves to be outed.
Watch out with your claim, I personally used different hotkeys in 1v1 and team games, as for my apm its quite different as well, I can even provide replays of this just to prove we can't base any allegations on that. Team replays date from quite a while though as I haven't played those any in a few seasons... but still, it isn't something you can judge people off as solo and team games don't require the same mind state People would call me "apm clown" as I didn't have anything else to do than spammign which would make my average be 300-400. In solo, needless to say I can't do that and average 100-180 only. I would set myself new hotkeys in team games, just to get used to them for 1v1 later on.
Let's not accuse people with poor evidences, I really don't want to get into that.
On July 04 2012 12:13 ZeromuS wrote: If things like ICCUP could have antihack that worked better than blizzard currently (i know they were free accounts so you could make many but the account would most likely eventually be banned) and it was free and ICCUP wasn't making tons of money in the same way Blizzard can I am sure.
So yes, Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat lets be honest here.
And as a note, I wouldn't mind paying 40 bucks or 60 bucks for a year. I know I did it for XBL due to quality of server maintenance and generally good anti hack protection and I wouldn't mind doing it for SC2.
You're stretching a bit here, I think. (Personal opinion.) Especially when you're saying "lets be honest here."
The more popular a service is, the more hackers go to attack it. ICCUP is arguably less popular than Blizzard as a whole. Even so, you don't have to look far to find ICCUP hacks. Just do a youtube search for it. Took me 5 seconds.
In light of that, I don't see any clear superiority to Blizzard in the hack department.
If you're suggesting Blizzard should somehow integrate with ICCUP, perhaps you should write Blizzard a nice letter. (Maybe Blizzard just doesn't know about ICCUP's antihack at all? or if they know, maybe Blizzard just hasn't considered integration for whatever reason? perhaps simple reasons that a nice letter could solve? I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong in this.)
Regarding your personal willingness to pay 40-60 dollars, that's fine for you, but I think if Blizzard announced that Battle.net would now require a 40 to 60 dollar annual fee to use, but that they would implement antihack, that people would just end up playing another game. SC2 isn't a MMORPG with regular content release like WoW. Being honest? Sure, let's be honest. Do you really see most people lining up to pay a regular annual subscription fee to use Battle.net, considering the current competition for the entertainment dollar, and the history of Battle.net? (I don't. But then, that's personal opinion.)
As far as XBL featuring good antihack protection -
Again, 5 seconds. Not hard to find. This is a premium regulated service.
Once again, let me emphasize - real world considerations. I'm seeing a posted reply that says "it shouldn't be a problem, and I'd personally be willing to pay 40-60 a year." But the posted reply doesn't account for the fact that hacking IS a problem (even for premium services), nor does it begin to consider that most players may not share the same mindset when it comes to disposable income. It's just more poorly considered bashing, to my mind, topped off by the condescending "lets be honest here".
But then, you know, really, I don't think that was MEANT to be condescending, which is the mark of really great condescension. "You wouldn't understand, just get back in the kitchen now and look pretty" &c.
It's amazing how simple it is to solve things, especially when you don't need a solution that works.
(Oh, all right, that's a *bit* of a dig there. But really, let's be honest here.)
I don't think you should post "hacking videos" in this forum/thread at all. That's just not a good idea. Second of all what does WarCraft 3 Iccup has to do with starcraft2 or XBOX Live hacking? The point in this thread is to find hackers in higher masters league on EU/NA/KR serves and grandmasters players so we can get rid off them once and for all.
On July 04 2012 12:13 ZeromuS wrote: If things like ICCUP could have antihack that worked better than blizzard currently (i know they were free accounts so you could make many but the account would most likely eventually be banned) and it was free and ICCUP wasn't making tons of money in the same way Blizzard can I am sure.
So yes, Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat lets be honest here.
And as a note, I wouldn't mind paying 40 bucks or 60 bucks for a year. I know I did it for XBL due to quality of server maintenance and generally good anti hack protection and I wouldn't mind doing it for SC2.
You're stretching a bit here, I think. (Personal opinion.) Especially when you're saying "lets be honest here."
The more popular a service is, the more hackers go to attack it. ICCUP is arguably less popular than Blizzard as a whole. Even so, you don't have to look far to find ICCUP hacks. Just do a youtube search for it. Took me 5 seconds.
In light of that, I don't see any clear superiority to Blizzard in the hack department.
If you're suggesting Blizzard should somehow integrate with ICCUP, perhaps you should write Blizzard a nice letter. (Maybe Blizzard just doesn't know about ICCUP's antihack at all? or if they know, maybe Blizzard just hasn't considered integration for whatever reason? perhaps simple reasons that a nice letter could solve? I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong in this.)
Regarding your personal willingness to pay 40-60 dollars, that's fine for you, but I think if Blizzard announced that Battle.net would now require a 40 to 60 dollar annual fee to use, but that they would implement antihack, that people would just end up playing another game. SC2 isn't a MMORPG with regular content release like WoW. Being honest? Sure, let's be honest. Do you really see most people lining up to pay a regular annual subscription fee to use Battle.net, considering the current competition for the entertainment dollar, and the history of Battle.net? (I don't. But then, that's personal opinion.)
As far as XBL featuring good antihack protection -
Again, 5 seconds. Not hard to find. This is a premium regulated service.
Once again, let me emphasize - real world considerations. I'm seeing a posted reply that says "it shouldn't be a problem, and I'd personally be willing to pay 40-60 a year." But the posted reply doesn't account for the fact that hacking IS a problem (even for premium services), nor does it begin to consider that most players may not share the same mindset when it comes to disposable income. It's just more poorly considered bashing, to my mind, topped off by the condescending "lets be honest here".
But then, you know, really, I don't think that was MEANT to be condescending, which is the mark of really great condescension. "You wouldn't understand, just get back in the kitchen now and look pretty" &c.
It's amazing how simple it is to solve things, especially when you don't need a solution that works.
(Oh, all right, that's a *bit* of a dig there. But really, let's be honest here.)
I don't think you should post "hacking videos" in this forum/thread at all. That's just not a good idea. Second of all what does WarCraft 3 Iccup has to do with starcraft2 or XBOX Live hacking? The point in this thread is to find hackers in higher masters league on EU/NA/KR serves and grandmasters players so we can get rid off them once and for all.
What if instead of having to search for those hackers, you could have a service (JUST like W3 Iccup and XBL are) that prevent the use of hacks ? That would be far less complicated (on the user-side, the developement of such preventions isn't simple...) than having to investigate on every single person suspected of hacking.
That's what is pointed out by these arguments, and comparing with other similar services is relevant imo.
On July 04 2012 12:13 ZeromuS wrote: If things like ICCUP could have antihack that worked better than blizzard currently (i know they were free accounts so you could make many but the account would most likely eventually be banned) and it was free and ICCUP wasn't making tons of money in the same way Blizzard can I am sure.
So yes, Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat lets be honest here.
And as a note, I wouldn't mind paying 40 bucks or 60 bucks for a year. I know I did it for XBL due to quality of server maintenance and generally good anti hack protection and I wouldn't mind doing it for SC2.
You're stretching a bit here, I think. (Personal opinion.) Especially when you're saying "lets be honest here."
The more popular a service is, the more hackers go to attack it. ICCUP is arguably less popular than Blizzard as a whole. Even so, you don't have to look far to find ICCUP hacks. Just do a youtube search for it. Took me 5 seconds.
In light of that, I don't see any clear superiority to Blizzard in the hack department.
If you're suggesting Blizzard should somehow integrate with ICCUP, perhaps you should write Blizzard a nice letter. (Maybe Blizzard just doesn't know about ICCUP's antihack at all? or if they know, maybe Blizzard just hasn't considered integration for whatever reason? perhaps simple reasons that a nice letter could solve? I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong in this.)
Regarding your personal willingness to pay 40-60 dollars, that's fine for you, but I think if Blizzard announced that Battle.net would now require a 40 to 60 dollar annual fee to use, but that they would implement antihack, that people would just end up playing another game. SC2 isn't a MMORPG with regular content release like WoW. Being honest? Sure, let's be honest. Do you really see most people lining up to pay a regular annual subscription fee to use Battle.net, considering the current competition for the entertainment dollar, and the history of Battle.net? (I don't. But then, that's personal opinion.)
As far as XBL featuring good antihack protection -
Again, 5 seconds. Not hard to find. This is a premium regulated service.
Once again, let me emphasize - real world considerations. I'm seeing a posted reply that says "it shouldn't be a problem, and I'd personally be willing to pay 40-60 a year." But the posted reply doesn't account for the fact that hacking IS a problem (even for premium services), nor does it begin to consider that most players may not share the same mindset when it comes to disposable income. It's just more poorly considered bashing, to my mind, topped off by the condescending "lets be honest here".
But then, you know, really, I don't think that was MEANT to be condescending, which is the mark of really great condescension. "You wouldn't understand, just get back in the kitchen now and look pretty" &c.
It's amazing how simple it is to solve things, especially when you don't need a solution that works.
(Oh, all right, that's a *bit* of a dig there. But really, let's be honest here.)
I don't think you should post "hacking videos" in this forum/thread at all. That's just not a good idea. Second of all what does WarCraft 3 Iccup has to do with starcraft2 or XBOX Live hacking? The point in this thread is to find hackers in higher masters league on EU/NA/KR serves and grandmasters players so we can get rid off them once and for all.
You are missing his points, which i understood as -not everyone is gonna want to pay 60 bucks a year when they could go play something else for no sub -hacking will persist whether or not you have any form of ICCUP or premium regulated service -SC ICCUP had less hackers in part because it was less popular [side note: i would add that perhaps it was also more enticing to just pubstomp people on west/east endlessly then go to the trouble of setting up ICCUP] The videos arent him being an uber l33t hacker, he is demonstrating that hacking is easy to find and difficult to stop, even in premium services
On July 04 2012 12:13 ZeromuS wrote: If things like ICCUP could have antihack that worked better than blizzard currently (i know they were free accounts so you could make many but the account would most likely eventually be banned) and it was free and ICCUP wasn't making tons of money in the same way Blizzard can I am sure.
So yes, Blizzard can improve their stance at the very least somewhat lets be honest here.
And as a note, I wouldn't mind paying 40 bucks or 60 bucks for a year. I know I did it for XBL due to quality of server maintenance and generally good anti hack protection and I wouldn't mind doing it for SC2.
You're stretching a bit here, I think. (Personal opinion.) Especially when you're saying "lets be honest here."
The more popular a service is, the more hackers go to attack it. ICCUP is arguably less popular than Blizzard as a whole. Even so, you don't have to look far to find ICCUP hacks. Just do a youtube search for it. Took me 5 seconds.
In light of that, I don't see any clear superiority to Blizzard in the hack department.
If you're suggesting Blizzard should somehow integrate with ICCUP, perhaps you should write Blizzard a nice letter. (Maybe Blizzard just doesn't know about ICCUP's antihack at all? or if they know, maybe Blizzard just hasn't considered integration for whatever reason? perhaps simple reasons that a nice letter could solve? I doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong in this.)
Regarding your personal willingness to pay 40-60 dollars, that's fine for you, but I think if Blizzard announced that Battle.net would now require a 40 to 60 dollar annual fee to use, but that they would implement antihack, that people would just end up playing another game. SC2 isn't a MMORPG with regular content release like WoW. Being honest? Sure, let's be honest. Do you really see most people lining up to pay a regular annual subscription fee to use Battle.net, considering the current competition for the entertainment dollar, and the history of Battle.net? (I don't. But then, that's personal opinion.)
As far as XBL featuring good antihack protection -
Again, 5 seconds. Not hard to find. This is a premium regulated service.
Once again, let me emphasize - real world considerations. I'm seeing a posted reply that says "it shouldn't be a problem, and I'd personally be willing to pay 40-60 a year." But the posted reply doesn't account for the fact that hacking IS a problem (even for premium services), nor does it begin to consider that most players may not share the same mindset when it comes to disposable income. It's just more poorly considered bashing, to my mind, topped off by the condescending "lets be honest here".
But then, you know, really, I don't think that was MEANT to be condescending, which is the mark of really great condescension. "You wouldn't understand, just get back in the kitchen now and look pretty" &c.
It's amazing how simple it is to solve things, especially when you don't need a solution that works.
(Oh, all right, that's a *bit* of a dig there. But really, let's be honest here.)
I don't think you should post "hacking videos" in this forum/thread at all. That's just not a good idea. Second of all what does WarCraft 3 Iccup has to do with starcraft2 or XBOX Live hacking? The point in this thread is to find hackers in higher masters league on EU/NA/KR serves and grandmasters players so we can get rid off them once and for all.
You are missing his points, which i understood as -not everyone is gonna want to pay 60 bucks a year when they could go play something else for no sub -hacking will persist whether or not you have any form of ICCUP or premium regulated service -SC ICCUP had less hackers in part because it was less popular [side note: i would add that perhaps it was also more enticing to just pubstomp people on west/east endlessly then go to the trouble of setting up ICCUP] The videos arent him being an uber l33t hacker, he is demonstrating that hacking is easy to find and difficult to stop, even in premium services
yeah i do realize what he meant and i never said that it was him in the videos. Just posting hacking videos in a thread is just not a good way to do it. Perhaps explaining would be better? people can read I understand his point it's just that something like "ICCUP" won't be online for some while now ( i hope it will tho so everyone can play with lan latency and antihack..)
NA GM ID: whysomad At start: Sends reapers straight to my base, he does not even know where I spawned. 11:30 Sets his army up in concave and stims towards my army without even seeing it, did not have any map vision the entire game besides the reapers which only saw a small part of my base and died. Please watch replay, its obvious if you do. http://drop.sc/214537
On July 05 2012 03:42 intense555 wrote: NA GM ID: whysomad At start: Sends reapers straight to my base, he does not even know where I spawned. 11:30 Sets his army up in concave and stims towards my army without even seeing it, did not have any map vision the entire game besides the reapers which only saw a small part of my base and died. Please watch replay, its obvious if you do. http://drop.sc/214537
I just faced a map hacker now. I'm low Diamond and faced a high plat. Zerg on ladder who didnt use his overlords and blindly double hatched because I went 1 rax FE, then constantly peaked over to my base over the fog of war. This isn't just at the higher level, but also on the lower levels as well. Please take notice everyone. We should find a way to get rid of these map hackers asap. Thanks!
On July 05 2012 03:42 intense555 wrote: NA GM ID: whysomad At start: Sends reapers straight to my base, he does not even know where I spawned. 11:30 Sets his army up in concave and stims towards my army without even seeing it, did not have any map vision the entire game besides the reapers which only saw a small part of my base and died. Please watch replay, its obvious if you do. http://drop.sc/214537
This guy played against sheth on stream was pretty BM but didn't seem to be map hacking at least from what I saw in the sheth game. The replay you posted though is pretty damning evidence though.
The funniest thing about Impa/fanatictricky is both accounts were top diamond in the previous season before mysteriously jumping all the way to GM. Very very sad.
On July 05 2012 16:35 joquinn wrote: The funniest thing about Impa/fanatictricky is both accounts were top diamond in the previous season before mysteriously jumping all the way to GM. Very very sad.
I only saw 1 game of him and it was pretty evident this guy skillwise can't be more than diamond. Low/Mid master protoss i face have much better macro and multitasking :[
He maphacked me on the 4player map "verdammnisgrat" (called in german, im sry that i dunno the eng name, mb u can help me out there). He played Protoss, which seems to be the most popular race to Hack with.
The funniest thing about this is that he didnt make into masters with Tosschese without Hacks (cuz it requires high skill and an overall good mechanics (jk)). Tbh it makes me really disappointing to see ppl maphacking at all but this guy even manage it to lose with it. This is more than a joke and it should actually make this guy think about himself. Apart from the fact that i think tosscheese is in general imbalanced and the maps from blizzards mapool without suply depots is a good playground for evry stupid fags out there (i want gsl maps!!!). If dApollo would play against this guy im sure he would drive him more crazy than "Calvin Harris" did it few days before, becuz this guy treated me about 26 min with mass canons. But watch for urself and enjoy.
Btw here is the replay from Calvin Harris if u want to watch another Protossmaphackcheese (just to confirm my thesis before):
On July 06 2012 04:04 CisQ wrote: He maphacked me on the 4player map "verdammnisgrat" (called in german, im sry that i dunno the eng name, mb u can help me out there).
While this wasnt in gm, a diamond player i played against was really bm during the game and then after i watched the repaly it was very obvious he was looking at my army as it was moving out, and also seeing my 4th cc behind the rocks on entombed, obvious points of hacking were when he saw my 16 marine 2 medivac push and when i pushed to the southwest he looked at my army and then went straight to where i was going. Watch replay report if u believe guilty? (seems pretty obvious to me) http://drop.sc/215533
EU Mid master ID: Stromberg Map: Antiga shipyard Without scouting he sends his probe to my third and 2 gates me. (Looked through his match history, looks like he does this alot he had 7 or 8 wins a row where the games were short and in the build order tap he build a lot of zealots early (Probably 2gate.) Replay http://drop.sc/215609
This widespread hacking is pretty insane, it really undermines the competetive scene. Has there ever been a bliz game that hasn't been full of online hacks?
On June 23 2012 22:32 RDee wrote: Hello Teamliquid community. I just made my account today to post about a suspicious player I met on ladder. I am currently playing on NA ladder high master. I met a player named GoreGasm who proxy dubble gated me from inside of my own base at Tal'darim altar. I thought that its plausible that he pulled of some sick scouting that I did not notice. But after watching the replay I am sure that he is using maphack. Please take a look for yourselfs: http://drop.sc/202759
Even if he does not get busted I am happy just to spread the word that he is hacking. Thanks /RDee
Just had the same exact guy do the same exact thing. He is top 25 masters right now.
On July 07 2012 04:40 Doodsmack wrote: ^guess people are too lazy to read that this thread is for GM and top 400 master only lol. Or are you just mad that you got BMed/lost?
Lots of people ignored what i've said but anyway, if their name manages to climb up the ladder, atleast the evidence will already be here I guess!
EPT
I understand his point it's just that something like "ICCUP" won't be online for some while now ( i hope it will tho so everyone can play with lan latency and antihack..) 
