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On June 22 2012 22:13 NemesysTV wrote:Ok, first off i want to start off by saying that I'm usually not paranoid of everyone i play being hackers,cheaters, etc. However, this Random player really caught my attention. On this replay www.drop.sc/202339In the PvP me playing as the blue protoss, I watched replay afterwards since i saw that he literally never scouted me throughout the entire game, and that he was blinking his stalkers back without selecting each individually. All i want to know out of this is if these are signs of a hacker mainly or if it was a uncommon replay bug.
Player 'wrb' uses auto blink hack in that replay. I did not watch the replay as it was evident already from the replay's action list. Each auto blink sequence happens during one frame and includes 4 actions. In-game it seems he does not individually select the units as the hack does it during one frame. Lots of example sequences happen around 8:25 real time / frame 44760 (you can check the action lists with sc2gears). Hacks that include automation hacks often have also other features like map hack, production bar hack, etc, but the automation hacks are really easy to spot. The sequence for his blink hack is:
1) Deselect previous selection & select individual stalker
2) Blink
3) Attack
4) Reselect previous selection
Blizzard would catch a lot of these automation hackers, if they just would save the replays on bnet server (even temporarily just for checking) and ran automatic program that would search automation patterns that happen in too short time window.
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this thread is an invitation for everyone to hack
even the most blatant hackers get defended XD
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"Solo" Top master Protoss on EU ladder maphack Replay.
Watch his vision and you can know why i say he map hack. He proxy photon in cross while has no scooted.
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On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure.
Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it.
No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision.
All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production.
What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure
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On June 23 2012 01:24 esiex3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure. Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it. No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision. All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production. What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure
Or he has terrible minimap awareness come the later portions of the game. Can't watch replay atm but the production hack.maphack also has auto worker production which stops at certain intervals when set or just stops when a max is hit. That would be good to look at too 
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On June 23 2012 01:28 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:24 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure. Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it. No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision. All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production. What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure Or he has terrible minimap awareness come the later portions of the game. Can't watch replay atm but the production hack.maphack also has auto worker production which stops at certain intervals when set or just stops when a max is hit. That would be good to look at too
I don't think he has auto worker production because he cuts it randomly. I haven't seen it in action though, maybe bad macro is a feature
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if you don't think blind double reactored starport for vikings with 0 scouting isnt involving some kind of cheating idk what to say to you.
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On June 23 2012 03:05 TylerThaCreator wrote:
if you don't think blind double reactored starport for vikings with 0 scouting isnt involving some kind of cheating idk what to say to you.
I wouldn't quite say 100% cheating, I'd say my hairs are on end, my mind is tingling shouting "What is going on!!???!!" and my cheese is probably feeling like it will be seen so it's going back into the fridge, but eh you never know when they decide they've had enough of col and just assume it.
So, not 100%, but damn is it strange...
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On June 23 2012 03:14 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:05 TylerThaCreator wrote:
if you don't think blind double reactored starport for vikings with 0 scouting isnt involving some kind of cheating idk what to say to you. I wouldn't quite say 100% cheating, I'd say my hairs are on end, my mind is tingling shouting "What is going on!!???!!" and my cheese is probably feeling like it will be seen so it's going back into the fridge, but eh you never know when they decide they've had enough of col and just assume it. So, not 100%, but damn is it strange...
with 0 actual scouting its weird but u dont have to scout colo to know its coming 99% so idk what ur talking about specifically but in the absolute its doable( if u see army gas timing at nat/scouted the robo when it started)
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On June 23 2012 03:22 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:14 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 23 2012 03:05 TylerThaCreator wrote:
if you don't think blind double reactored starport for vikings with 0 scouting isnt involving some kind of cheating idk what to say to you. I wouldn't quite say 100% cheating, I'd say my hairs are on end, my mind is tingling shouting "What is going on!!???!!" and my cheese is probably feeling like it will be seen so it's going back into the fridge, but eh you never know when they decide they've had enough of col and just assume it. So, not 100%, but damn is it strange... with 0 actual scouting its weird but u dont have to scout colo to know its coming 99% so idk what ur talking about specifically but in the absolute its doable( if u see army gas timing at nat/scouted the robo when it started)
if you watch replay he has literally 0 vision of my base for the first 11 minutes, maybe more. he doesnt know ANYTHING i am doing. nothing. no army scouting, no gas timings, no expand timings nothing. again, watch his army positioning the entire game and notice how perfect it is despite how terrible his macro/mechanics are
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The thing about the double starport is that there's possible reasons for it. Like I said, you had some failed aggression, so you were behind on tech. Being marine heavy, you'd need either collo or HT to deal with it. Double reactored viking + medivac should be an autowin against collo, considering the collo just die too fast to vikings and that you won't have blink or anything to defend against both drops and collo snipes. On the other hand, if you're going straight templar/chargelot, he would know that your templar is kinda delayed and maybe wouldn't be out in time because he saw your obs.
In any case, I did say it's possible he's using production tab hacks, considering he canceled +1 and a few vikings, and we need more replays of this guy to make sure this isn't just some weird occurence.
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At first i thought this guy was just plain stupid and bad (seemed like i was playing a gold player). I watched the replay, and realized he was a hacker.
 vs  jjangukenny vs Skaem ![[image loading]](http://www.topreplays.com/img/layout/download.png)
watch his vision, he doesn't even try hiding it with that camera block thingy
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On June 22 2012 21:43 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Even though these guys are hacking, I still find it strange that they still manage to make it into Grandmasters. I just watched IdrA completely destroy Impa several times on his stream yesterday like he was nothing.
most ppl mainly use it as an excuse on when they lose imo. The better players wont have much issue anywyas against ppl who use hacks
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On June 23 2012 03:58 Strela wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 21:43 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Even though these guys are hacking, I still find it strange that they still manage to make it into Grandmasters. I just watched IdrA completely destroy Impa several times on his stream yesterday like he was nothing. most ppl mainly use it as an excuse on when they lose imo. The better players wont have much issue anywyas against ppl who use hacks
It's almost fully dependant on the Match Up. If you get proxy 2 gate inside your base on a 4 player map in PvP and you do a normal build with say, zealot stalker, or no zealot 3 stalker you have a pretty high chance of losing to 3 zealots lol.
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On June 23 2012 04:59 l_Kyo_l wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:58 Strela wrote:On June 22 2012 21:43 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Even though these guys are hacking, I still find it strange that they still manage to make it into Grandmasters. I just watched IdrA completely destroy Impa several times on his stream yesterday like he was nothing. most ppl mainly use it as an excuse on when they lose imo. The better players wont have much issue anywyas against ppl who use hacks It's almost fully dependant on the Match Up. If you get proxy 2 gate inside your base on a 4 player map in PvP and you do a normal build with say, zealot stalker, or no zealot 3 stalker you have a pretty high chance of losing to 3 zealots lol.
oh yea im sure there are people out there using hacks and bots but im also sure many ppl just use it as an excuse on why they lost. I really hope blizzard will do something against the people who use those kind of programs
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On June 22 2012 21:41 chadissilent wrote:
I get called a hacker more than I play against hackers. It's quite comical really. With that said, I played against my first (suspected) hacker yesterday, ByFlaSh. He scouted me once with an SCV, saw nothing but 1 gas at my expo and never scouted again. The exact second I create 30 zerglings, he drops 3 bunkers blindly. He then sends out his entire army to intercept my scouting ling. every scan was perfectly on my army, no matter where it was on the map. I'll do a detailed map analysis when I get home.
Oh, and he went from 165 wins diamond last season to 54-3 in Masters this season.
I faced him and went through replay, his micro was really good and I didn't suspect MH. I just felt like he was getting leveled by a good player.
On June 23 2012 03:05 TylerThaCreator wrote:
if you don't think blind double reactored starport for vikings with 0 scouting isnt involving some kind of cheating idk what to say to you.
Fishy, but not clear enough to confirm him, would need more replays.
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Is anyone else amazed at how some of these guys are even GM? I mean their mechanics are just awful. Horrible inject timing if they don't have an autoinjecter, terrible macro, horrible army control, floating so many mins, how do they even hit GM? It really hit me how much scouting and knowing what your opponent is doing/where their army is makes a difference in a game.
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Hello Teamliquid community.
I just made my account today to post about a suspicious player I met on ladder.
I am currently playing on NA ladder high master. I met a player named GoreGasm who proxy dubble gated me from inside of my own base at Tal'darim altar. I thought that its plausible that he pulled of some sick scouting that I did not notice.
But after watching the replay I am sure that he is using maphack.
Please take a look for yourselfs: http://drop.sc/202759
Even if he does not get busted I am happy just to spread the word that he is hacking.
Thanks
/RDee
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On June 23 2012 22:32 RDee wrote:Hello Teamliquid community. I just made my account today to post about a suspicious player I met on ladder. I am currently playing on NA ladder high master. I met a player named GoreGasm who proxy dubble gated me from inside of my own base at Tal'darim altar. I thought that its plausible that he pulled of some sick scouting that I did not notice. But after watching the replay I am sure that he is using maphack. Please take a look for yourselfs: http://drop.sc/202759Even if he does not get busted I am happy just to spread the word that he is hacking. Thanks /RDee
Just had the same exact guy do the same exact thing. He is top 25 masters right now.
http://drop.sc/202773
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http://drop.sc/202806
Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm.
I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe
and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism.
Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke.
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