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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On June 24 2012 02:16 KingDime wrote:http://drop.sc/202806Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm. I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism. Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke.
He's LGlightpwnr, well known hacker. There was a big drama earlier in this thread where first he denied it, then said he sold his account, then said he is quitting SC2, then threatened to sue the OP. Well, more like claimed he already did and to expect a court date in 2 weeks  . Pretty sad kid.
edit - was kicked out of LG though
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On June 24 2012 04:53 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:16 KingDime wrote:http://drop.sc/202806Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm. I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism. Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke. He's LGlightpwnr, well known hacker. There was a big drama earlier in this thread where first he denied it, then said he sold his account, then said he is quitting SC2, then threatened to sue the OP. Well, more like claimed he already did and to expect a court date in 2 weeks . Pretty sad kid. edit - was kicked out of LG though
I caught him chatting in the tl channel a few days ago and he denies it like no tomorrow, trying to cover up his 6th sense maphacks stating things are common sense "when" you scout, which he doesn't do at all.
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anything about Fnatic.Tricky yet here?
never seen more obvious maphack
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On June 24 2012 05:10 KalWarkov wrote:
anything about Fnatic.Tricky yet here?
never seen more obvious maphack
well hes in the thread name hes impa
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On June 23 2012 01:24 esiex3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure. Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it. No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision. All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production. What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure
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The hack most people are using gives both production tab and maphack + the camera freeze that he can use when needed, which isn't really necessary. Which makes it even harder to detect as you say. But this guy is hacking.
A high Masters/GM Terran that blindly doesnt make bunkers, doesnt scan, doesnt scout, avoids armies, hits where the protoss army isnt without even sending a unit or scan?? Plus, the constant observer snipes. As in every single one of them?? Come on... What minimap vision man? The guy just sends pure marines into the protoss bases, multiple times! The fact that this was in Masters further supports this.
Either that of he is the luckiest Terran ever. $10 says he is just looking at minimap (maphack of course) and production tab. :/
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On June 24 2012 04:53 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:16 KingDime wrote:http://drop.sc/202806Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm. I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism. Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke. He's LGlightpwnr, well known hacker. There was a big drama earlier in this thread where first he denied it, then said he sold his account, then said he is quitting SC2, then threatened to sue the OP. Well, more like claimed he already did and to expect a court date in 2 weeks . Pretty sad kid. edit - was kicked out of LG though
I can't believe this guy still hasn't been banned.
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On June 24 2012 05:54 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:53 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 24 2012 02:16 KingDime wrote:http://drop.sc/202806Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm. I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism. Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke. He's LGlightpwnr, well known hacker. There was a big drama earlier in this thread where first he denied it, then said he sold his account, then said he is quitting SC2, then threatened to sue the OP. Well, more like claimed he already did and to expect a court date in 2 weeks . Pretty sad kid. edit - was kicked out of LG though I can't believe this guy still hasn't been banned.
its another account apparently they were cleaning the ladder a bit so that they wouldnt throw invite to maphackers at wcs, now its done theyre kinda free. impa is playing too...
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just played Venusaur
can upload replay if anyone isnt already convinced
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On June 24 2012 05:10 KalWarkov wrote:
anything about Fnatic.Tricky yet here?
never seen more obvious maphack
Will be updated tomorrow, currently painting my house and have no access to my desktop with all the files.
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On June 24 2012 06:14 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:54 Sein wrote:On June 24 2012 04:53 EtherealDeath wrote:On June 24 2012 02:16 KingDime wrote:http://drop.sc/202806Other guy is venusaur, rank 1 master zerg player atm. I would pay attention to his lack of scouting, lack of taking watchtowers, lack of overlord spread, lack of checking my third. His omniscient play when killing my scouting probes and zealot and most importantly at 11:20 on the pylon snipe and secondly when his mutas switch from doing damage on my natural to killing my warp prism. Otherwise if ladder is going to be like this any practice partners around...... this is a joke. He's LGlightpwnr, well known hacker. There was a big drama earlier in this thread where first he denied it, then said he sold his account, then said he is quitting SC2, then threatened to sue the OP. Well, more like claimed he already did and to expect a court date in 2 weeks . Pretty sad kid. edit - was kicked out of LG though I can't believe this guy still hasn't been banned. its another account apparently they were cleaning the ladder a bit so that they wouldnt throw invite to maphackers at wcs, now its done theyre kinda free. impa is playing too...
zack and lightpwnr are on their old accounts, never got banend. Zack being the WCS guy, is in GM right now too.
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I'm only keeping track of GM or top 400 server wide masters players or else i'd be in for a full time job doing this...
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On June 24 2012 05:44 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 01:24 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure. Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it. No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision. All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production. What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure ??? The hack most people are using gives both production tab and maphack + the camera freeze that he can use when needed, which isn't really necessary. Which makes it even harder to detect as you say. But this guy is hacking. A high Masters/GM Terran that blindly doesnt make bunkers, doesnt scan, doesnt scout, avoids armies, hits where the protoss army isnt without even sending a unit or scan?? Plus, the constant observer snipes. As in every single one of them?? Come on... What minimap vision man? The guy just sends pure marines into the protoss bases, multiple times! The fact that this was in Masters further supports this. Either that of he is the luckiest Terran ever. $10 says he is just looking at minimap (maphack of course) and production tab. :/
Yeah w/e, like I said, we need more replays. My point is that you shouldn't count out that he's just plain lucky.
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Here is another obvious map hacker. Yes this is in the lower leagues but still relevant enough to the point that at the start to end it shows hes map hacking. Here is a replay of the game too that includes plenty of evidence.
http://drop.sc/204227
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On June 24 2012 09:57 esiex3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:44 Psychobabas wrote:On June 23 2012 01:24 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 21:17 Psychobabas wrote:On June 22 2012 16:50 esiex3 wrote:On June 22 2012 14:52 TylerThaCreator wrote:http://drop.sc/202248Demonoid, high masters/gm MMR. Blatant as fuck maphacking by a Terran, absolutely 0 scouting entire game - snipes off proxy pylons he has no vision of at several times : 5:48 rallies units to attack pylon he could have possibly had no idea about..w/e I'll give this one to him... 6:40 randomly moves marines over to "spot" a hidden pylon in his nat. At 19:00~ - attack clicks minimap (so not shift clicked trying to find pylon) EXACTLY? where a hidden proxy pylon is after killing a pylon in his vision. With 0 vision: Goes double reactored starport to counter my collosus. Immediately puts up ghost academy right after my templar archives goes down with 0 vision of templar archive timing. Sends army to attack wherever my army isn't several times (just watch replay). With 0 vision. CONSTANT instant scans of my observer without even looking at his army for more than 2 seconds. Throughout the game makes 0 missile turrets at all of his expansions because he doesn't fear drops/dt cause he knows im not making any or he's just fucking complete garbage. I'm extremely embarassed to have lost this game. 6:40 - He'd be a bad player to not look for hidden pylons anyway... 19:00 - He could be checking for a fourth About the observers... not sure what you're talking about. Maybe he has really good vision? I think the only valid comment that you might have is the double starport. That's odd, but it might be a response to how you did some aggression with no damage at all. I think this replay isn't sufficient, in fact there's a few things that point to him not being a hacker at all. IE 15:00, he tries to go in for a collo snipe after a scan, and finds out the collo isn't there. No way, the guy is hacking for sure. No scouting whatsoever? Constantly avoiding protoss army without scanning? Multiple attacks that almost never meet the protoss army? He just threw a couple of scans to fake. Hacker for sure. Thanks for the lack of real analysis, but I took a second look at it. No scouting is fine. Suspicious, but needs more supporting evidence. Avoiding the protoss army? When? The multiple attacks that never met the toss army? When? After the mid-game or so, he knows where the toss army is through normal minimap vision. All that other probably bad evidence aside, I found something that's a bit suspicious. He cancels +1 air weaps when the other guy stops collo production. What I think is most likely is that he's using a production tab hack, but that's incredibly hard to prove. I doubt he has minimap vision, there's several moments when he gets caught when he shouldn't if he had it. If anybody has more replays of this guy, you should definitely post, because like I said, this replay isn't sufficient evidence. One game means he could be playing stupid, but if it's a consistent pattern, then it'd be raising a red flag for sure ??? The hack most people are using gives both production tab and maphack + the camera freeze that he can use when needed, which isn't really necessary. Which makes it even harder to detect as you say. But this guy is hacking. A high Masters/GM Terran that blindly doesnt make bunkers, doesnt scan, doesnt scout, avoids armies, hits where the protoss army isnt without even sending a unit or scan?? Plus, the constant observer snipes. As in every single one of them?? Come on... What minimap vision man? The guy just sends pure marines into the protoss bases, multiple times! The fact that this was in Masters further supports this. Either that of he is the luckiest Terran ever. $10 says he is just looking at minimap (maphack of course) and production tab. :/ Yeah w/e, like I said, we need more replays. My point is that you shouldn't count out that he's just plain lucky.
nice argument there. It's like a caught thief is guilty only if he steals again. lol
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Yeah... That was beyond blatant.. LOL. Obviously a map hacker.
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On June 25 2012 02:28 Enzymatic wrote:Yeah... That was beyond blatant.. LOL. Obviously a map hacker. Although I'm happy you lost since you elected to SCV all-in instead of macro.
you would rather see someone who is cheating win over someone who decided to all in? I posted this to raise awareness to a cheater, I don't see how my decision to all in is relevant to the discussion
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Genie,
I watched this replay and saw no evidence of maphacking. What I saw was poor unit control, and some random chance, but no evidence of maphacking. If he had been maphacking, he wouldn't have engaged unsieged on your creep and let himself get flanked, he would have presplit his marines, he would have attacked when he had about a 20 marine to 2 zergling advantage in the extreme early game instead of teching up to drops.
The only thing that could have indicated maphacking was that he caught your western expansions as they were morphing, but the timing on all of those expos were extremely late. There seems to me to be an element of luck there. It was completely reasonable to assume you had bases on that side at the 14 minute + mark, but instead you stayed on three base for way too long.
This was just a bad game, with bad unit control on both sides, and this poor guy who you face-stomped could not have been maphacking imo. However, I did see that you were very bad manner and had an enormous overbank of minerals with no gas, unsaturated gases at your natural, and didn't sync any of your timings up (your greater spire and hive, your upgrades and attacks) and you still won. The idea that this guy was maphacking and the game would be so one sided is silly.
Let's not accuse everyone who catches an expansion morphing of being a maphacker. Both of you had terrible scouting and map control, AND YOU CRUSHED HIM. The one thing that you might argue is his blind throwing down of extra starports without having yet scouting your spire. It's possible that he saw a corruptor (since you had so many before getting BLs) but keep in mind he did this after the twenty minute mark! The timing on broodlords is way before that so throwing down blind starports at that point doesn't strike me as in anyway unreasonable.
Anyway, we all deeply care about maphacking in this community, and that's why I took the time to look at this replay, but what I saw was just terrible play and your incredible BM. We need to be very careful when we accuse people, and have lots of documentation, and also, let's be civil when we play games. That guy opened with a gl hf, and never smack talked at all and you were both bm and a bad player.
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On June 25 2012 02:39 mewbert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 02:28 Enzymatic wrote:Yeah... That was beyond blatant.. LOL. Obviously a map hacker. Although I'm happy you lost since you elected to SCV all-in instead of macro. you would rather see someone who is cheating win over someone who decided to all in? I posted this to raise awareness to a cheater, I don't see how my decision to all in is relevant to the discussion
I was just being silly :p I will edit my post. Hopefully that hacker gets banned.
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