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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
RivalHoney
Profile Joined June 2015
6 Posts
June 10 2015 20:51 GMT
#9681
On June 11 2015 05:45 zDreaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 20:19 Adnap wrote:
Hacker name: TES Believe
Protoss
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4697733/1/Believe/
EU
In many stages of the game he does fishy things, but when he sniped my drop I became sure he is hacking. He had no vision, he just blinked in dark on my drop ship, @ 9th min.
http://drop.sc/400041



Lol...

Believe, say what you say this replay is so blatant. You can have all the people in the world defending you, but seriously this one replay takes the cake.

The GIF itself is pretty damning evidence no matter how you cut it.


LOL If one simple GIF of lucky blink defines someone a hacker then everyone can be a hacker.
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
June 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#9682
On June 11 2015 05:50 ItzShakti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 05:48 MorDka wrote:
On June 10 2015 20:19 Adnap wrote:
Hacker name: TES Believe
Protoss
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4697733/1/Believe/
EU
In many stages of the game he does fishy things, but when he sniped my drop I became sure he is hacking. He had no vision, he just blinked in dark on my drop ship, @ 9th min.
http://drop.sc/400041

also he has his mothership on the natural ramp when the marines are coming to his base and he moves back the mothership core before seeing the marines. Looks like a cheater to me


Thats what u do when u kill a reaper......
U back ur mothership core so he doesnt kill it with marine poke.

Well maybe you are right but he moves it back just exatctly when the marines go in, but when i saw the blink i laughed perfect timing again
RivalHoney
Profile Joined June 2015
6 Posts
June 10 2015 20:57 GMT
#9683
On June 11 2015 05:48 MorDka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 20:19 Adnap wrote:
Hacker name: TES Believe
Protoss
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4697733/1/Believe/
EU
In many stages of the game he does fishy things, but when he sniped my drop I became sure he is hacking. He had no vision, he just blinked in dark on my drop ship, @ 9th min.
http://drop.sc/400041

also he has his mothership on the natural ramp when the marines are coming to his base and he moves back the mothership core before seeing the marines. Looks like a cheater to me

He's patrolling his mamaship between 2 bases =_= how's that hacking =_=
MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
June 10 2015 20:58 GMT
#9684
On June 11 2015 05:57 RivalHoney wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 05:48 MorDka wrote:
On June 10 2015 20:19 Adnap wrote:
Hacker name: TES Believe
Protoss
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4697733/1/Believe/
EU
In many stages of the game he does fishy things, but when he sniped my drop I became sure he is hacking. He had no vision, he just blinked in dark on my drop ship, @ 9th min.
http://drop.sc/400041

also he has his mothership on the natural ramp when the marines are coming to his base and he moves back the mothership core before seeing the marines. Looks like a cheater to me

He's patrolling his mamaship between 2 bases =_= how's that hacking =_=

I ment the 1st marine attack where his mothership stands still on the natural ramp
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
June 10 2015 20:58 GMT
#9685
On June 11 2015 05:47 IAmBelieve wrote:
So, a gif of someone blindly blinking and being lucky enough to catch a medivac is sure bulletproof evidence someone is a hacker? that's some interesting logic man...


Well could you please explain your reasoning behind that blink? It would help clear a lot of others skepticism about you.
ItzShakti
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil43 Posts
June 10 2015 21:08 GMT
#9686
So I went to my friend who ques vs believe rly often and asked what he thought about this.
He showed me this replay:
http://drop.sc/400061

Nexus first vs reaper opening close positions then is completely caught out of position vs that marine followup.
I really like apollo
IAmBelieve
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada70 Posts
June 10 2015 21:09 GMT
#9687
@duckk yes, if you see i was making a pylon with my probe, i blinked them down becasuse its allot faster to get near his base to do counter harass, if you watch the rest of the replays youll see that i do blink harass allot vs reaper opener, and i was just lucky enough that his med was there
Follow me on twitter @BelieveSC2 / My stream at Twitch.tv/IAmBelieve !!!
Isaac1729
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1 Post
June 10 2015 21:13 GMT
#9688
On May 17 2015 22:38 PiPiGranDe wrote:
Blatant MH and production tab hack in a 4 player map. Absolutely NO SCAN or Scout at all....

Builds perfect unit compo and just walks to my natural.

Server: America
Race: Terran
Name: Cheerio

User was warned for this post


I have a replay of this same Terran maphacking. (low-GM/high masters level)
http://drop.sc/400062

I decided to go for a roach rush on Iron Fortress, after scouting with an OL that he isn't opening reaper. With absolutely zero scouting info, he full walls his nat with 2 bunkers, rushes out a tank, and pulls scvs to his bunkers just before my roaches arrive (before he has any vision of any roaches). The game goes on further from here, but I didn't bother looking closely for any other signs that he was maphacking. If anyone finds any, feel free to let me know.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
June 10 2015 21:15 GMT
#9689
I don't think he's hacking, think it's just a coincidence.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
CreatureSC2
Profile Joined July 2010
United States156 Posts
June 10 2015 21:17 GMT
#9690
On June 11 2015 04:29 EJK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 04:08 IAmBelieve wrote:
Hey guys, just to clarify yes i can see how it looks fishy, but there is also luck, and i am not a hacker. To prove so I have uploaded 55 of my latest ladder games, anyone who has any spare time can see, and I've lost to some early pools on iron etc, you guys can be the judge for yourselves. replay pack of last 50-60 ladder games -> http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1917


he's not a hacker, i practice with him regularly, in the replay he had all the other positions covered with photon + observer coverage so it was safe for his stalkers to poke around there

I would like to know why he was blinking down there in the first place if he presumably isn't hacking here. If he was just sending the stalkers across the map to pressure then that's a pretty unnecessary route to take. And sure he had the natural covered with a photon overcharge and observer but he did not have the main covered if the medivac were to instead fly over the ledge into the main rather than directly over the 3rd base location. Also his next observer that was about to pop was directly rallied to his opponent so if the medivac were to fly over the ledge into the main he would have taken a lot of unnecessary damage.

Also practicing with someone regularly doesn't mean it's impossible that they're not a hacker. I'm sure Spades and Daisuke had people they practiced with regularly that had no idea they hacked.
Kelazhur
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil57 Posts
June 10 2015 21:19 GMT
#9691
Played vs [TES] Believe a few times on both servers, don't think he ever did anything suspicious, seemed pretty legit. That was around the time he qualified for WCS as well. From the replay it seemed pretty standard PvT moves aside from the Stalker blink, but he did have vision everywhere else pretty much. Don't think this is enough evidence, seems more of a rant if anything.
Progamer
duckk
Profile Joined March 2013
United States622 Posts
June 10 2015 21:21 GMT
#9692
On June 11 2015 06:17 TheCreature wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 04:29 EJK wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:08 IAmBelieve wrote:
Hey guys, just to clarify yes i can see how it looks fishy, but there is also luck, and i am not a hacker. To prove so I have uploaded 55 of my latest ladder games, anyone who has any spare time can see, and I've lost to some early pools on iron etc, you guys can be the judge for yourselves. replay pack of last 50-60 ladder games -> http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1917


he's not a hacker, i practice with him regularly, in the replay he had all the other positions covered with photon + observer coverage so it was safe for his stalkers to poke around there

I would like to know why he was blinking down there in the first place if he presumably isn't hacking here. If he was just sending the stalkers across the map to pressure then that's a pretty unnecessary route to take. And sure he had the natural covered with a photon overcharge and observer but he did not have the main covered if the medivac were to instead fly over the ledge into the main rather than directly over the 3rd base location. Also his next observer that was about to pop was directly rallied to his opponent so if the medivac were to fly over the ledge into the main he would have taken a lot of unnecessary damage.

Also practicing with someone regularly doesn't mean it's impossible that they're not a hacker. I'm sure Spades and Daisuke had people they practiced with regularly that had no idea they hacked.


This is what I thought as well. Also if he was trying to go asap and not look for a drop wouldnt a protoss player shift click around the edge to blink? The way he blinks he sort of moves to the edge, moves forward a little more, and then blinks down as if to catch a drop and not go across the map.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
June 10 2015 21:34 GMT
#9693
On June 11 2015 06:17 TheCreature wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 04:29 EJK wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:08 IAmBelieve wrote:
Hey guys, just to clarify yes i can see how it looks fishy, but there is also luck, and i am not a hacker. To prove so I have uploaded 55 of my latest ladder games, anyone who has any spare time can see, and I've lost to some early pools on iron etc, you guys can be the judge for yourselves. replay pack of last 50-60 ladder games -> http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1917


he's not a hacker, i practice with him regularly, in the replay he had all the other positions covered with photon + observer coverage so it was safe for his stalkers to poke around there

I would like to know why he was blinking down there in the first place if he presumably isn't hacking here. If he was just sending the stalkers across the map to pressure then that's a pretty unnecessary route to take. And sure he had the natural covered with a photon overcharge and observer but he did not have the main covered if the medivac were to instead fly over the ledge into the main rather than directly over the 3rd base location. Also his next observer that was about to pop was directly rallied to his opponent so if the medivac were to fly over the ledge into the main he would have taken a lot of unnecessary damage.

Also practicing with someone regularly doesn't mean it's impossible that they're not a hacker. I'm sure Spades and Daisuke had people they practiced with regularly that had no idea they hacked.


Like the last two points there.


And rivalhoney, nice new account made today man. Not suspect at all that you're defending believe.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
June 10 2015 21:39 GMT
#9694
On June 11 2015 06:15 ROOTiaguz wrote:
I don't think he's hacking, think it's just a coincidence.


Same, hes not hacking for sure
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
WhalesFromSpace
Profile Joined March 2012
390 Posts
June 10 2015 21:56 GMT
#9695
One thing that makes me think it is a coincidence is that such an action is so suspicious that a hacker would likely refrain from doing something so blatant as to draw attention to themselves... if they knew a medi was coming they would wait to pick it off, but this specific incident seems like it could be a consequence of aggressive army movement being allowed by proper defensive zoning.
Nihility
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 22:00:27
June 10 2015 21:58 GMT
#9696
On June 11 2015 06:09 IAmBelieve wrote:
@duckk yes, if you see i was making a pylon with my probe, i blinked them down becasuse its allot faster to get near his base to do counter harass,

From where your stalkers were? No it's not. It's absolutely slower.

Without more replays with blatant things, though the consistency of the PvP counter tech choices are interesting, I'm not ready to jump on the 'you're hacking' bandwagon, but this is the WORST possible defense you could have chosen and makes me lean towards hacking more.
On June 11 2015 06:56 WhalesFromSpace wrote:
One thing that makes me think it is a coincidence is that such an action is so suspicious that a hacker would likely refrain from doing something so blatant as to draw attention to themselves... if they knew a medi was coming they would wait to pick it off, but this specific incident seems like it could be a consequence of aggressive army movement being allowed by proper defensive zoning.

Things like this is how hackers get caught. They do something without information that they should have sat on, but forget what they're reacting to isn't 'actually' seen yet. It's a slip up.
RivalHoney
Profile Joined June 2015
6 Posts
June 10 2015 22:05 GMT
#9697
On June 11 2015 06:34 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 06:17 TheCreature wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:29 EJK wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:08 IAmBelieve wrote:
Hey guys, just to clarify yes i can see how it looks fishy, but there is also luck, and i am not a hacker. To prove so I have uploaded 55 of my latest ladder games, anyone who has any spare time can see, and I've lost to some early pools on iron etc, you guys can be the judge for yourselves. replay pack of last 50-60 ladder games -> http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1917


he's not a hacker, i practice with him regularly, in the replay he had all the other positions covered with photon + observer coverage so it was safe for his stalkers to poke around there

I would like to know why he was blinking down there in the first place if he presumably isn't hacking here. If he was just sending the stalkers across the map to pressure then that's a pretty unnecessary route to take. And sure he had the natural covered with a photon overcharge and observer but he did not have the main covered if the medivac were to instead fly over the ledge into the main rather than directly over the 3rd base location. Also his next observer that was about to pop was directly rallied to his opponent so if the medivac were to fly over the ledge into the main he would have taken a lot of unnecessary damage.

Also practicing with someone regularly doesn't mean it's impossible that they're not a hacker. I'm sure Spades and Daisuke had people they practiced with regularly that had no idea they hacked.


Like the last two points there.


And rivalhoney, nice new account made today man. Not suspect at all that you're defending believe.



LolOloL why I can't make an account to defend my friend? I just speak the truth. I don't need an account to read news from here until ppl started doing this
adnap_banned
Profile Joined June 2015
1 Post
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 22:49:22
June 10 2015 22:47 GMT
#9698
Ok so my main account adnap2 has been banned for sending this replay of the hacker TES believe (in my opinion).
Thank you very much to teamliquid to support hackers.
Peace out. Im done with this website <3
ISIMBA adnap

User was banned for this post.
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
June 10 2015 23:10 GMT
#9699
I'm not a terran or a protoss player so obviously my PvT knowledge is limited, but just a small point I noticed regarding the believe replay

at 6:41 the terran has enough money to make his medivac from the starport, but he doesn't start it til 7:20.

Considering Believe was playing without scouting and trying to tailor his build to the TvP metagame of mine drop, wouldn't the terrans mistake of starting the medivac a whole 40 seconds late considerably fuck up the expected timing in which the mine drop would hit.
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
willyouscout
Profile Joined June 2015
3 Posts
June 11 2015 04:42 GMT
#9700
Hacker name:[LTTB] Apple
Server:NA
League:TOP 50 GRANDMASTER
Description: No scout on my 3rd gold base and just attack there directly, and in the beginning of the game, his zealot was attacking my gas which built in his base, but when my lings were half way to his base, he just stop attack and went to hold the ramp.

http://drop.sc/400078
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