EPTOn June 17 2015 14:37 Wormi wrote:
daybreak and akilon! did you play him in a tournament?
daybreak and akilon! did you play him in a tournament?
he says: League: Dia(wol)
GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
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damrud
Poland5 Posts
he says: League: Dia(wol) | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On June 17 2015 06:18 Tocon wrote: Nick: [eXoDiu]CancerDuSein + Show Spoiler + Server: EU Race: Zerg League: Masters Battle.net acc: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6190829/1/CancerDuSein/ I've got 4 replays on this guy. First 2 are mine against this guy, 3rd and 4th I've found on sc2replaysstats. I don't know the players who uploaded them. I will post them in order that I've watched/played them, not in chronological. It seems that it's new account because it's first time he is placed in league and he has only 53% win ratio, but I think that he started cheating recently that's why it's so low. Anyway, here we go: 1st one: http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1701577 This one is from 15.06.2015, he is yet in diamond. At the beginning he says that he is playing unranked which is a lie as it turned out after the game. Basically I was tired so I decided to 8/8/8 him. He didn't scout neither my raxes nor my base yet his response was perfect. He played one base speed ling flood which against terran is most ridicolous strat because simple wall-in closes this build. I've lost to him quickly because of that blind counter. End of story. 2nd one: http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1704323 This one is from today: 16.06.2015, he got into clan which is Exodium and managed to get into masters. I asked their clan leader about him but didn't get any response from him so either he don't care/he knows that he is cheating. Basically after game from earlier I decided to scout him properly. He plays pool first to make 6 lings which were supposed to cancel my natural expansion, normal, common build. Since I've sent my SCV I've seen exactly what he is going to do, what I didn't see is that he pulled his lings outside of my SCVs visual range and shift clicked them exactly to go around it without even knowing that said SCV is in his base. His lings went exactly to my 3rd without scouting fully my position on map and waiting for my reapers (which he didn't know that they were in my expansion) to leave it to cancel my expansion. I've scouted that he is planning to play 2 base roach push so I decided to build a few bunkers and tanks to defend it. Meanwhile I've had my reapers and hellions sitting outside of his base to check if he is planning to expand, since 2 base roach push with speed and upgrade is big commitment most reasonable zergs try to make it work even if terran has already prepared defences, but he didn't even left his base, neither he scouted that I've prepared for him nor decided to make expansion. Instead he made nydus. Since timing of his push was late, he didn't have expansion I started to scout him and found it, I've placed a bunch of units in places that he could throw nydus (plus couple of turrets because earlier I thought he could go muta switch which was the only thing that could really kill me). Again without scouting my preparations he decided not to attack, instead he decided to finally expand at 13-14 minute mark. I tried to drop him but without any knowledge of it he placed his army directly to under fly path of medivacs. For whatever reason he didn't see second drop which killed his 3rd before it could even build. So here we have zerg at 16 minute mark on 2 bases. I had my CC ready and since I had 200/200 I decided that I'll expand to my 3rd because there was no point in doing so earlier. Just when I flew over position he played nydus exactly at this position in attempt to destroy it (still without scouting it) but since he had about 160 supply by then and I had 200 I kicked him and he left. Replay timestamps for all the obvious stuff: 3:40 - Lings around SCV, 4:40 - Lings in my 3rd without scouting it and waiting till my reapers will run away, 14:00 - without seeing drop he defends it nearly perfectly, 3rd one, not mine: CancerDuSein vs Codex http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1701272 Also 15.05.2015. For whatever reason he doesn't have his rank here. There is not much to say here except that fact that again he didn't scout anything. The next thing is that he put down couple of spores without scouting banshees. Teoretically it's nothing strange since he played roach hydra but considering that he played almost exactly same build vs me he decided to put down spores in this one and not in one vs me.(Again, he didn't scout neither me nor him so it's not standard safe play for him). After that the game is very passive so it's hard really to show any more maphacking evidence so I decided to put it here just for the sake of comparison between builds used in this game and one against me. 4th one. Again not mine. CancerDuSein vs Twice http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1699589 14.05.2015 so it's the earliest of all four of them. After seeing that Twice is playing CC first he decided to play 14/14. Nothing strange, right? Yeah, but he did it without scouting him (Again). If you compare timings of those 2 players you can see that he decided to play 14/14 after he has seen that Twice is not putting raxes. So that's all from replays standpoint. Imho his macro is really, really poor and most of those wins are coming from blind counters that he can pull of thanks to both maphack and seeing production tab. I think that he has opponent production tab because without looking at opponent base he was able to tell that he is playing banshees and placed the spores, he couldn't do so otherwise. For maphack reasoning you have all that wall of text up there. Oh, one more thing. Before posting this I consulted those replays with couple GMs and Masters(I am master myself) of all the races, we came to same conclusions about it, so it's not just my fantasy. You can report this guy for his name. It's french for "Breast Cancer" which isn't a name Blizzard would approve. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
The last time I played Believe, he messaged me after the game telling me "I made two phoenix before I scouted you didn't have a stargate, with a sentry." This was in response to me asking him why he canceled his stargate when he had to assume I was making a stargate too (I have every other time versus him, upon scouting stargate, besides this game). Just flat out blatantly lying is going on from hackers. You know what he did upon realizing I was just going to try to expand asap, as a response? He canceled his stargate and expoed before me. He made sentries... he made several passes over my main and nexus. He had complete vision. Then, later in the game he makes a stargate. An oracle for harass and 2 phoenix for drop defense. It's absolutely pathetic how much of an imbecile you can act, while being "top 10 GM," when every single player thinks you're 100000000x more suspicious than you're good. Blatantly lying. You know who needs to lie? People who have something to hide. I'll probably get banned since I didn't think to take a screenshot. Could care less. Yesterday I played a guy in GM, "King," who told me he didn't get detection because "I always do the same thing" (I always go dt...). He also told me he scouted my stargate: it was on vanni and instead of scouting my tech he just had his probe go to my in-base natural, and, apparently, he forgot he didn't actually scout anything with it besides my cyber... I can post that replay if anyone wants, but I mean, it's pointless given the replays that haven't resulted in people being barred from any tournaments, etc. I'm sure people have shared similar experiences as I have, so the larger point is a poll of sorts is needed. I'm pretty sure everyone suspects the same people. Once people would know who to post replays on, though, they would just go back to barcodes. So, w/e, though. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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guestex
United States10 Posts
I was recently playing an off race (protoss) vs a terran who was able to hit my void rays on high ground with low ground marines without any vision (no scan, no high ground unit, though he did send a marine up the ramp right before my unit was destroyed.. which makes it even more questionable). If anyone could give me feedback to if this is proof or not, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm not really caring that I lost or that he may have cheated (he seemed pretty bad lol); I'm more so looking to see if this is a "way to detect hackers." Saying that though, if it is proof, I will upload replay and give his username and all that. I don't want to accuse someone of cheating if he isn't. Please bear in mind this was on WoL. I am not sure if the targetting system differs from HoTS, though I'm pretty sure it doesn't in this sense. Pics: http://i.imgur.com/qWoVtJM.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/DV2CejG.png?1 | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2614 Posts
On June 18 2015 07:46 guestex wrote: Hi, I was recently playing an off race (protoss) vs a terran who was able to hit my void rays on high ground with low ground marines without any vision (no scan, no high ground unit, though he did send a marine up the ramp right before my unit was destroyed.. which makes it even more questionable). If anyone could give me feedback to if this is proof or not, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm not really caring that I lost or that he may have cheated (he seemed pretty bad lol); I'm more so looking to see if this is a "way to detect hackers." Saying that though, if it is proof, I will upload replay and give his username and all that. I don't want to accuse someone of cheating if he isn't. Please bear in mind this was on WoL. I am not sure if the targetting system differs from HoTS, though I'm pretty sure it doesn't in this sense. Pics: http://i.imgur.com/qWoVtJM.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/DV2CejG.png?1 This just has to do with the way targeting works in sc2. since the void ray is air, if it attacks a ground unit while in range of the ground unit, the ground unit will then always be able to attack it back. But if you didn't attack his marines with a void ray, he wouldn't be able to shoot at the void ray without high ground vision. | ||
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guestex
United States10 Posts
On June 18 2015 07:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote: This just has to do with the way targeting works in sc2. since the void ray is air, if it attacks a ground unit while in range of the ground unit, the ground unit will then always be able to attack it back. But if you didn't attack his marines with a void ray, he wouldn't be able to shoot at the void ray without high ground vision. Alright, thanks for the reply. I thought that if I was moving away from the marines after attacking onto high ground, they would be forced to stop attacking the moment I get in range of high ground. Guess I was wrong  I can now play with peace of mind again ^^ | ||
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Nisticism
41 Posts
Name: barcode Edit - League: high masters Server: NA Not sure on bnet account but here is his sc2ranks account http://www.sc2ranks.com/character/us/5241784/IIIIIIIIIIII/hots/1v1 Obvious Hacker. He mains protoss but proxy 3 raxed next to my base, no scout, on iron fortress. What a joke. Wondering - how can we get these people banned? KelticThunDa is still up and hacking but no one cares? Blizzard? Replay: http://spawningtool.com/24535/ | ||
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Sacrilege
United States199 Posts
On June 18 2015 11:39 Nisticism wrote: Wondering - how can we get these people banned? KelticThunDa is still up and hacking but no one cares? Blizzard? Out of curiosity, what hacking tools does KelticThunDa use? I played him a few days ago on Inferno Pools in a ZvZ. We both 14/14'd and after watching the replay, his was a bit more reactionary (I.E: He threw down his gas and pool shortly after myself) but I didn't notice anything particularly out of the ordinary. Besides the exact point he sent his first overlord, we were horizontal and he sent it right to my main instead of my natural or near the ramp to check for early lings or a hatch timing. But I didn't think to much of it since he sent his second overlord down vertically. I'm quite bad at identifying small details of hacking though and not defending or vouching for him. Replay I played him: http://spawningtool.com/24536/ | ||
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Nisticism
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FosTA
Canada154 Posts
Battle net: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6871850/1/Oklahoma/ Server: NA League: Diamond Race: Protoss Replay: http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/1713485 Map is Iron Fortress, he spawns top left and I'm bottom left. Being a 4 player map i go 3 hatch before pool. and he goes cannon rush. He looks at my base and start building pylons before i even started my hatch. He also sends 2 probes before hes even seen my base and cannons my third hatch without seeing it. | ||
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acslayer
United States9 Posts
Battle net: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5251880/1/SKiller/ Server: NA League: Diamond Race: Terran Replay: http://www.sc2overwatch.com/game/download/133 ------------ Evidence - 3 Points in the game 1) Reaction to drops without Vision Time @ 10:28 in the replay, Skiller's army (6 Helions + 1 Reaper) is found sitting at the southern base of the watch tower. Please note he does not take control of the watch tower either. He has no vision of the double drop on the left side of the map. At this point, if you were to select my double drop, it is clearly on a queued path to his natural, you will see a green dot by the natural of Skiller. That green dot is the location where my double drop is going. Time @ 10:48, Skiller's army, without vision, attack moves in to the same area where my drop is going. If you select the army and follow the red dot, the attack move location is just a few pixels away from my drop location. 2) Pre-emptive Reposition of Units without Vision or Indication Time @ 14:09, My army is about to move out and attack Skiller. At this point, he suspiciously repositions his tank on the lower ground. He meticulously controls it to the point where 100% of his attention is dedicated to defending his natural ramp. He has no vision of my army. He has no watch tower. 3) Unwarranted Scan without vision or notification or indicators (Extremely Blatant) Time @ 14:24, Skiller scans my army for no reason. He has no vision and no reason to scan there. He did not have the watch tower and had no reason to believe that I was moving out or even remotely close to that location. ------------- In addition to the evidence placed forward, I streamed the entire ordeal on twitch found here: http://www.twitch.tv/sc2marathon/c/6853858 I have reported this to hacks@blizzard.com as well as sc2overwatch.com | ||
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TelecoM
United States10646 Posts
On June 20 2015 02:09 acslayer wrote: Name: [Ever] SKiller Battle net: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5251880/1/SKiller/ Server: NA League: Diamond Race: Terran Replay: http://www.sc2overwatch.com/game/download/133 ------------ Evidence - 3 Points in the game 1) Reaction to drops without Vision Time @ 10:28 in the replay, Skiller's army (6 Helions + 1 Reaper) is found sitting at the southern base of the watch tower. Please note he does not take control of the watch tower either. He has no vision of the double drop on the left side of the map. At this point, if you were to select my double drop, it is clearly on a queued path to his natural, you will see a green dot by the natural of Skiller. That green dot is the location where my double drop is going. Time @ 10:48, Skiller's army, without vision, attack moves in to the same area where my drop is going. If you select the army and follow the red dot, the attack move location is just a few pixels away from my drop location. 2) Pre-emptive Reposition of Units without Vision or Indication Time @ 14:09, My army is about to move out and attack Skiller. At this point, he suspiciously repositions his tank on the lower ground. He meticulously controls it to the point where 100% of his attention is dedicated to defending his natural ramp. He has no vision of my army. He has no watch tower. 3) Unwarranted Scan without vision or notification or indicators (Extremely Blatant) Time @ 14:24, Skiller scans my army for no reason. He has no vision and no reason to scan there. He did not have the watch tower and had no reason to believe that I was moving out or even remotely close to that location. ------------- In addition to the evidence placed forward, I streamed the entire ordeal on twitch found here: http://www.twitch.tv/sc2marathon/c/6853858 I have submitted this replay to the Clan Leader of Ever and the officers. They have already proceeded to take action to remove the member from the clan. There was a unanimous vote of Yes from the Ever community to declare that it was enough evidence to claim the accused was guilty of hacking. I have reported this to hacks@blizzard.com as well as sc2overwatch.com Just watched with other members in Ever, he is not hacking, there is 100% no proof in this replay of maphacking, literally the only slightly suspicious move was the scan, which can just be said is good star sense in TvT, in order to safely move out to take 3rd (because he is going pure mech in a TvT) . Sorry, not hacking. | ||
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EverClanHacks
2 Posts
On June 20 2015 13:44 GGzerG wrote: Just watched with other members in Ever, he is not hacking, there is 100% no proof in this replay of maphacking, literally the only slightly suspicious move was the scan, which can just be said is good star sense in TvT, in order to safely move out to take 3rd (because he is going pure mech in a TvT) . Sorry, not hacking. Did you even watch the replay carefully or read acslayer's post? At 10:48, Why would Skiller even move his hellions on attack move right near where the drops would land in his base? He even MOVED THEM at very similar timing with the drops coming in from the left side. He did not even have ANY vision on the left side or even took tower vision at the center of the map. Yet he just suddenly moves his hellions on attack move BACK TO HIS NATURAL right when drops were coming, LOL. | ||
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flipstar
226 Posts
On June 21 2015 22:30 EverClanHacks wrote: Did you even watch the replay carefully or read acslayer's post? At 10:48, Why would Skiller even move his hellions on attack move right near where the drops would land in his base? He even MOVED THEM at very similar timing with the drops coming in from the left side. He did not even have ANY vision on the left side or even took tower vision at the center of the map. Yet he just suddenly moves his hellions on attack move BACK TO HIS NATURAL right when drops were coming, LOL. Did you watch anything that acslayer did not lay out? Aside from the lucky moveback with hellions there were plenty of subpar reactions that wouldn't have happened with mh. Huge credibility with the 1 post account btw. So much trash in this thread.. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On June 18 2015 02:13 playa wrote: Can we just create a list of people in GM and make a poll on whether we think they're hacking and go from there? Believe, for instance, acts like a 5 year old. If I'm to believe this game takes any intelligence, then obviously I haven't even considered the possibility of Believe being legit. The last time I played Believe, he messaged me after the game telling me "I made two phoenix before I scouted you didn't have a stargate, with a sentry." This was in response to me asking him why he canceled his stargate when he had to assume I was making a stargate too (I have every other time versus him, upon scouting stargate, besides this game). Just flat out blatantly lying is going on from hackers. You know what he did upon realizing I was just going to try to expand asap, as a response? He canceled his stargate and expoed before me. He made sentries... he made several passes over my main and nexus. He had complete vision. Then, later in the game he makes a stargate. An oracle for harass and 2 phoenix for drop defense. It's absolutely pathetic how much of an imbecile you can act, while being "top 10 GM," when every single player thinks you're 100000000x more suspicious than you're good. Blatantly lying. You know who needs to lie? People who have something to hide. I'll probably get banned since I didn't think to take a screenshot. Could care less. bobross = believe's other acc as stated by elhaym not sure where those tweets went, also no idea the validity of it; but regardless, everyone hates Believe in NA so it's not like it really matters. l0l | ||
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MokaLatte
4 Posts
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
Remember there was some Cup game and a Team League game that i got blind countered in and got my movements predicted. | ||
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EverClanHacks
2 Posts
On June 21 2015 23:20 flipstar wrote: Did you watch anything that acslayer did not lay out? Aside from the lucky moveback with hellions there were plenty of subpar reactions that wouldn't have happened with mh. Huge credibility with the 1 post account btw. So much trash in this thread.. Are you part of Ever clan or what? Is that why you are so defensive of your team? Yeah, I guess you must be really credible since you have 100 posts. Are you a detective of SC2 Hacks on Blizzard's Team by any chance? Acslayer only has 5 posts. Yeah, by your logic, he probably has low credibility too so you wouldn't even bother reading his claim? Thanks for bashing on people who don't really post much on TL forums since everyone must have their own account years ago with significant post contributions for someone just to believe one another on the internet. User was banned for this post. | ||
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flipstar
226 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/180890/1/fLipsTar/ I take it that the answer to the "Did you watch anything that acslayer did not lay out?" question is "No.", otherwise you would address it. If you wanna talk logic, don't you think it's logical that I've watched the game when I'm asking if you saw more than the bulletpoints? Time for new account, flipstarLOVESever maybe? | ||
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BoZiNeverDie
Korea (South)6 Posts
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