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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
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Mayhemia-
Finland58 Posts
However. We have not one, but three replays of the "master level" player who does not scout. Nada, none at all. http://drop.sc/354369 http://drop.sc/354364 http://drop.sc/352984 Even without any suspicious moves (which he does a lot), I would consider the level of scouting more than enough proof. If he really does not cheat and wants to clear his name he posts full replay pack of all of his latest games. However, I'd like to point out that his match history shows 8-24 record for today, soo, unless there's a way to find all the games played on the account and match the list with the replays I doubt he'll ever release conclusive evidence. (Is there a way to find all games someone has played, and not just last X games shown on match history?) | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On August 17 2013 11:40 Mayhemia- wrote: The fact how Egomancer behaves is pretty much enough evidence to deduce he is cheating. However. We have not one, but three replays of the "master level" player who does not scout. Nada, none at all. http://drop.sc/354369 http://drop.sc/354364 http://drop.sc/352984 Even without any suspicious moves (which he does a lot), I would consider the level of scouting more than enough proof. If he really does not cheat and wants to clear his name he posts full replay pack of all of his latest games. However, I'd like to point out that his match history shows 8-24 record for today, soo, unless there's a way to find all the games played on the account and match the list with the replays I doubt he'll ever release conclusive evidence. (Is there a way to find all games someone has played, and not just last X games shown on match history?) Because over 10 days ago people started accusing him of hacking....and it JUST NOW got to him and he goes 8-24... Because of being accused of hacking 12 days ago, he was SO pissed today he couldn't play properly. I have been accused of hacking since 4th of August and I lost the games only today because I was too pissed off to properly play because of all these people accusing me of maphacking. ON this thread there are 3 (three) replays and you keep refering only to one of them - please check the other 2 maybe you will find there the definitivie proof that I maphack... | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 17 2013 10:37 -Dustin- wrote: Have you even read the post about what he did in the replay? I find it more than convincing. + Show Spoiler + I want to start off by saying 20 minutes in he hasn't even left his bases. No observers no scouts nothing. 9:35 Zerg starts Hydra Den 9:40 he starts Robo Bay. Zerg starts spire 20 seconds later 2 Stargates 12:20: Mutas popped he builds an extra pylon and 3 cannons in his mineral line and chronos phoenix's out with no scout of anything. 12:58: Mutas move in to his expansions mineral lines (cannons finishing) BEFORE the Mutas are in vision he moves his camera into the FoW behind the mineral line (Right on the Mutas) 16:48 Zerg army about to run into his third he used Nexus Overcharge without seeing the Zergs army. 17:42 Zerglings going to run into expansion immediately warps in 5 Zealots into his choke. Again could not see the Lings. 19:05 Mutas flying into expansion again looks at them in FoW and then sends his Phoenix's there. No vision. 21:00 Sends DT's to unscouted base. 21:40 Army is clearing creep Zerglings go for run by on his 4th looks at ramp and pulls army back before their in vision. 27:35 Zerg leaves Swarmhosts unattended attacks directly on top of them without scouting where exactly they were (knew the general area but had not seen locusts pop or the Hosts) 29:40 Has army clearing 4th of a Hydralisk Zerg positions his army between expansion and 3rd he moves his army to the ramp above them and starts warping in Zealots there. If thats not enough evidence I don't know what is honestly. Just know that one replay that is highly suspicious is not the standard that we judge others by. Thankfully, others have helped you out by providing other replays that demonstrate impressive army control without scouting the opponent's army positioning. It's not how well he's able to defend actions. Once or twice into the fog of war is weak evidence. The strong evidence was blind nexus cannoning, zealot warping, the second muta reaction, obvious reactions to things he could not see. Build the body of evidence, and keep the specter of witch-hunting far away. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On August 17 2013 07:44 Egomancer wrote: J_EU I hope you realize that what that guy writes there is total bullshit... I mean those reasons are hilarious... Like: indeed I have scouted that you have 2 starports and I am making mutas, but I made them anyway because that was the build I was preparing from beggining. Really? So you do not adapt during the game based on what you scout? It is late here and I am too lazy to make some bullshit excuses for what I have done. Like the 2 starports that I put down because I see only zerglings the first 10 minutes of the game. Here is the explanation: "I wanted to make 2 startports to make phoenixes so I can hunt overlorlds all over the map and deny the zerg mapcontrol". While in itself the idea is logical, in the big picture of the game it makes no sense. Same thing goes with what he explains... That's ridiculous. If you play in masters you should be well aware that in ZvP, a popular build is to go mass lings into ultras. If you blind guess it's mutas while scouting nothing and make tons of phoenixes, and your opponent goes for ultras, you just lose the game. Nobody ever goes dual stargates phoenixes without confirming incoming mutas. Usually Protoss makes an obs or an hallucination to check for a spire, or check for dual evo chambers and mass lings, or things like that. You scouted nothing. In fact 20 minutes into the game you still have no idea where his base is. Also, while the PvP replay I posted is unconclusive alone, it still shows your camera jumping on to my army right at the moment it enters into your view. There's no delay here. It shows you having reaction times better than pros, OR map hacking. Guess which one is more likely. | ||
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J_EU
47 Posts
This game was played 4 days ago, HaiL vs LionHeart, and this contains some of the prev stuff, intercepting mutas entering the main with phoenixes without no real intel that it will happend, robo with 1 obs (more obs made later for SH) into double stargateplay. Stuff isnt that conclusive as the other game, still, being able to read when and where an unscouted mutatransition hits baffles me, its what kills me all the time atleast ... http://ggtracker.com/matches/3883079 | ||
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
On August 17 2013 23:45 J_EU wrote: Rather unshure how far to take this, how much time to spend on it. I usually dont care that much about masterplayers and theyre games, since i really dont play that many of them. However, there are players in lower leagues also doing this, and for me I feel learn alot by looking more indepth to them. This game was played 4 days ago, HaiL vs LionHeart, and this contains some of the prev stuff, intercepting mutas entering the main with phoenixes without no real intel that it will happend, robo with 1 obs (more obs made later for SH) into double stargateplay. Stuff isnt that conclusive as the other game, still, being able to read when and where an unscouted mutatransition hits baffles me, its what kills me all the time atleast ... http://ggtracker.com/matches/3883079 he actually built an early obs, but if i checked correctly, he never took a look at it in the zerg base. maybe he can identify a spire by the tiny pixels on the minimap. he also started double stargate before the obs even arrived. sends his phoenixarmy into perfect position right before the first muta attack. on the other hand he didn´t react to the swarmhost transition properly. i would have expected an instant robobay to counter them. | ||
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
On August 17 2013 21:47 Nyast wrote: That's ridiculous. If you play in masters you should be well aware that in ZvP, a popular build is to go mass lings into ultras. If you blind guess it's mutas while scouting nothing and make tons of phoenixes, and your opponent goes for ultras, you just lose the game. Nobody ever goes dual stargates phoenixes without confirming incoming mutas. Usually Protoss makes an obs or an hallucination to check for a spire, or check for dual evo chambers and mass lings, or things like that. You scouted nothing. In fact 20 minutes into the game you still have no idea where his base is. Also, while the PvP replay I posted is unconclusive alone, it still shows your camera jumping on to my army right at the moment it enters into your view. There's no delay here. It shows you having reaction times better than pros, OR map hacking. Guess which one is more likely. Right...you must be aware that the build with lings into ultras is with a lot more lings than the 20 I saw before mutas... so really...based on the number of units I see it is clear it is mutas. That particular zerg canceled the hydralisk den 10 seconds after I put robobay and goes mutas BTW, but hey, it is fine...zerg can do it... And OK, based on the replay that you posted you can say that I maphacked, right? And your evidence is what? A camera jump that we could not see, and where I posted screenshots that prove that you actually lie? I mean stop the bullshit and bring some evidence.... | ||
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On August 18 2013 02:02 Egomancer wrote: Right...you must be aware that the build with lings into ultras is with a lot more lings than the 20 I saw before mutas... so really...based on the number of units I see it is clear it is mutas. That particular zerg canceled the hydralisk den 10 seconds after I put robobay and goes mutas BTW, but hey, it is fine...zerg can do it... And OK, based on the replay that you posted you can say that I maphacked, right? And your evidence is what? A camera jump that we could not see, and where I posted screenshots that prove that you actually lie? I mean stop the bullshit and bring some evidence.... You took at third at 7', without knowing ANYTHING about what Zerg was doing. In fact, for all you know, he could be preparing a banneling bust, a roach all-in, anything. That's an indredibly risky build you have here. Why don't you explain your weird army movements ? Like at 18'30, you move your entire army away from your natural ( you have no idea where Zerg's army is, if you don't map hack ) to go at your fourth, where the zerglings you can't see are wandering. Then when Zerg's about to attack your natural with his mutas, at 19'05 exactly, you move your entire army at your natural before seeing the mutas ! Come on ! This isn't an isolated incident, that game is full of weird coincidences that happen exactly at the right timing Zerg's doing something ! And about our PvP, now you're saying I lied ? So I forged that screenshot where it shows that at 5'26 that your camera is jumping on my army before you can see it ? I have such a personal vandetta against you that I'd fake a screenshot ? Geez... stop being stubborn, just admit to the wrongs you've done, and let everybody move on, stop acting like a child ! | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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Cloudshade
91 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Right...you must be aware that the build with lings into ultras is with a lot more lings than the 20 I saw before mutas... so really...based on the number of units I see it is clear it is mutas. That particular zerg canceled the hydralisk den 10 seconds after I put robobay and goes mutas BTW, but hey, it is fine...zerg can do it... Right, you must be aware you most games never scouted their spawn position, and dance with their army that you never see through the fog of war, and leave bases empty that would get destroyed. And again, no protoss goes 2 stargate phoenix without 100% confirming mutas. Seeing 20 lings is bullshit guessing lings, hacker. lol | ||
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Mayhemia-
Finland58 Posts
On August 17 2013 23:45 J_EU wrote: Rather unshure how far to take this, how much time to spend on it. I usually dont care that much about masterplayers and theyre games, since i really dont play that many of them. However, there are players in lower leagues also doing this, and for me I feel learn alot by looking more indepth to them. Well. The fact that he has something to do with Team NewRoSoft (owner or manager or something like that) is significant reason to waste time on this case. I don't care that much about some 14yo kid cheating on ladder, because there is nothing community can do about it, but being in somewhat legit team and cheating blatantly? I can't write what I think. It's funny how every day we find a new replay with equally shady things. In that PvZ he finally did some scouting. I guess you could say that. He moved observer in the opponents base, but saw nothing with it. He could have at least covered the fact that he is cheating by moving the observer around to check what is going on. HOWEVER, he does not scout with the observer in his opponents base, but blindly goes into 2 stargate phoenix play. On August 18 2013 00:44 Wormi wrote: he actually built an early obs, but if i checked correctly, he never took a look at it in the zerg base. maybe he can identify a spire by the tiny pixels on the minimap. he also started double stargate before the obs even arrived. sends his phoenixarmy into perfect position right before the first muta attack. Yes, maybe he can identify it on just pixels. OH WAIT, THE OBSERVER DOES NOT SEE THE SPIRE. When the first mutalisks pop out he has 2 phoenix out and fleet beacon halfway done. This is also the first moment his observer sees anything mutalisk related, however, he doesn't look at the observer, but the army. So even at that moment he shouldn't have any real clue about what is coming. Except he already has the perfect counter out. There's just no freaking way, that someone at this level wouldn't check out the whole base with the observer. Pfft. This is so clear cut case, that I wish there were couple of more replays. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
name: [Apt] Talentz replay: http://drop.sc/354639 Well, just watch the replay. Haha. If you want to be lazy here is a stream highlight of the replay: http://www.twitch.tv/kyo7763/c/2769717 edit: adding talentz here as a stand alone so it's searchable. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
On August 16 2013 12:21 FabledIntegral wrote: He had terrible micro indeed. It just so happens I did an early rush that cut probes. Hey, I am Dorrus from xSAGA, the clan Bazinga was under the past 2~ days. It recently came to the clans attention that Bazinga has been accused of hacking, and have looked into the matter. We talked to another player, Nethune, that claimed to have played against Bazinga with the suspicion that he is hacking. Here is the following screenshot of the chat with Nethune and replay of the game in question. http://i.imgur.com/4lLTK2d.png http://drop.sc/354640 While I will not go into excruciating detail of all the suspicious actions, it does hold up to what others have accused him of. Non scouting, blind countering, etc. Bottom line, he has promptly been removed from xSAGA. | ||
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
On August 18 2013 07:16 Mayhemia- wrote: Yes, maybe he can identify it on just pixels. OH WAIT, THE OBSERVER DOES NOT SEE THE SPIRE. . arrr i expected him to use this as excuse. now you ruined it :-D | ||
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Legacy03
Canada2 Posts
http://drop.sc/354644 Let me know what you guys think. It was whirlwind proxy gateway, into no scouting cannoning up for roach pressure, into cannoning second base in mineral line knowing my tech without scouting, teching phoenix vs my muta transition. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On August 18 2013 13:47 ktimekiller wrote: Hey, I am Dorrus from xSAGA, the clan Bazinga was under the past 2~ days. It recently came to the clans attention that Bazinga has been accused of hacking, and have looked into the matter. We talked to another player, Nethune, that claimed to have played against Bazinga with the suspicion that he is hacking. Here is the following screenshot of the chat with Nethune and replay of the game in question. http://i.imgur.com/4lLTK2d.png http://drop.sc/354640 While I will not go into excruciating detail of all the suspicious actions, it does hold up to what others have accused him of. Non scouting, blind countering, etc. Bottom line, he has promptly been removed from xSAGA. I played him earlier today, along with that other hacker guy I just posted about. Would be hilarious if I played 2 hackers in a row. That said, I will note he 13 forge and cannoned me when I was 10 gating... It's entirely possible he has no clue what he's doing but... not sure why he'd kill himself if he could clearly see my gate placement and timing which were both anti-cannon? The replay has no indication of him hacking and it was on Bel Shir so it's not like he randomly found my spawn or anything. @@;; My experience at least. | ||
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NoobCrunch
79 Posts
On August 18 2013 13:11 -Kyo- wrote: Busy laughing at the game I just played... Really sad blizzard lets people like this get into GM when their MH is so blatant they even make a MH related remark at the end of their game... Rofl >.> name: [Apt] Talentz replay: http://drop.sc/354639 Well, just watch the replay. Haha. If you want to be lazy here is a stream highlight of the replay: http://www.twitch.tv/kyo7763/c/2769717 edit: adding talentz here as a stand alone so it's searchable. lmao User was warned for this post | ||
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