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On August 18 2013 07:16 Mayhemia- wrote:
Well. The fact that he has something to do with Team NewRoSoft (owner or manager or something like that) is significant reason to waste time on this case. I don't care that much about some 14yo kid cheating on ladder, because there is nothing community can do about it, but being in somewhat legit team and cheating blatantly? I can't write what I think.
It's funny how every day we find a new replay with equally shady things.
In that PvZ he finally did some scouting. I guess you could say that. He moved observer in the opponents base, but saw nothing with it. He could have at least covered the fact that he is cheating by moving the observer around to check what is going on. HOWEVER, he does not scout with the observer in his opponents base, but blindly goes into 2 stargate phoenix play.
Mayhemia, you are an obvious maphacker, I mean there is nothing more to say - you always scan where the army is, you peek in the FoW, move your army to counter my army movement without knowing where the army is and so on. So it is in fact hilarious that you come here and accuse me of maphacking. I assume that you keep posting because you want to shift blame from you to me but I think it will not work...
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On August 18 2013 02:19 Nyast wrote:
Also, while the PvP replay I posted is unconclusive alone, it still shows your camera jumping on to my army right at the moment it enters into your view. There's no delay here. It shows you having reaction times better than pros, OR map hacking. Guess which one is more likely.
That is a lie. The camera DOES NOT GO where you say that it goes at minute 5.26. I posted screenshots that the camera is NOT there. Furthermore there is another person on this thread that does not see the camera jumping at minute 5.26. Which means that you either have a problem with your starcraft either you somehow edited the screenshot. Something is wrong with your screenshot, it is the 100000000000th time we keep telling you this.
On August 18 2013 02:19 Nyast wrote:
You took at third at 7', without knowing ANYTHING about what Zerg was doing. In fact, for all you know, he could be preparing a banneling bust, a roach all-in, anything. That's an indredibly risky build you have here.
Why don't you explain your weird army movements ? Like at 18'30, you move your entire army away from your natural ( you have no idea where Zerg's army is, if you don't map hack ) to go at your fourth, where the zerglings you can't see are wandering. Then when Zerg's about to attack your natural with his mutas, at 19'05 exactly, you move your entire army at your natural before seeing the mutas ! Come on ! This isn't an isolated incident, that game is full of weird coincidences that happen exactly at the right timing Zerg's doing something !
And about our PvP, now you're saying I lied ? So I forged that screenshot where it shows that at 5'26 that your camera is jumping on my army before you can see it ? I have such a personal vandetta against you that I'd fake a screenshot ? Geez... stop being stubborn, just admit to the wrongs you've done, and let everybody move on, stop acting like a child !
And yes, I say that you either forged the screenshot either something is terribly wrong. There is at least another person on this thread that checked the replay and DID NOT SEE THAT CAMERA MOVE. You are the only one that sees it, I do not see it, nobody else sees it.
As about my army movements, I always cycle with it between my bases if I do not have info about what the enemy does. When I think that I have an army strong enough, I move out on the map, which I actually do.
This thread is full of lies. There is a list of suspect things happening - like me peeking in the FoW, but when I looked at the replay I saw that in fact I was checking some cannons that just finished, clicking on map and the zerg army is in fact NOT in the FoW and so on. I have posted screenshots that prove that I do not peek into FoW. I asked multiple times that you post screenshots with me peeking in the FoW but no one posted anything, Why is that? Basically you fabricated all the "suspect" things but when I point this fact to you, you all keep switching to some other "suspect" things and so on in a circular fashion. This is getting tiresome and I honestly do not have all the time some 16 old year kids have to post screenshots for each thing that you fabricate.
Can you please answer me this questions: Why are you the only one that sees camera jumping at minute 5.26? Don't you think that it is odd that you accuse me of maphacking based on a camera jump that you are the only person in the world that can see it ?
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And BTW, this guy Egomancer he's 36yo...
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On August 18 2013 14:34 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 13:47 ktimekiller wrote:On August 16 2013 12:21 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 16 2013 10:02 ZAiNs wrote:On August 15 2013 11:45 FabledIntegral wrote:Name: Bazinga Race: Protoss Server: NA League: Master Bazinga, very blatant maphacking, does not try to hide. No scouts, very hard counter builds with the throwing down of second gate and chrono zealots waiting for incoming attack, immediately goes to all proxy pylons, etc. Always knows when to do what. Replay here is a slam dunk. http://drop.sc/354217 Haven't seen your replay, but I just played (and beat haha) this guy and I'm 99% sure he was maphacking. Pretty much everything you described happened in my game. Luckily he sucked really badly and lost fights any ways  . http://drop.sc/354410 He had terrible micro indeed. It just so happens I did an early rush that cut probes. Hey, I am Dorrus from xSAGA, the clan Bazinga was under the past 2~ days. It recently came to the clans attention that Bazinga has been accused of hacking, and have looked into the matter. We talked to another player, Nethune, that claimed to have played against Bazinga with the suspicion that he is hacking. Here is the following screenshot of the chat with Nethune and replay of the game in question. http://i.imgur.com/4lLTK2d.pnghttp://drop.sc/354640While I will not go into excruciating detail of all the suspicious actions, it does hold up to what others have accused him of. Non scouting, blind countering, etc. Bottom line, he has promptly been removed from xSAGA. I played him earlier today, along with that other hacker guy I just posted about. Would be hilarious if I played 2 hackers in a row. That said, I will note he 13 forge and cannoned me when I was 10 gating... It's entirely possible he has no clue what he's doing but... not sure why he'd kill himself if he could clearly see my gate placement and timing which were both anti-cannon? The replay has no indication of him hacking and it was on Bel Shir so it's not like he randomly found my spawn or anything. @@;; My experience at least.
You should watch the other replay on newkirk. Every game no scout. His opponent opens with a 2 gate and he magically makes another gate instead of cyber. the logical build if you think you might get rushed is a 10 gate. double gate is when you know for sure another double gate is coming. again all these decisions being made w/o scouting.
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Also in the PvZ vs AcieDeucie the zerg makes two evolution chambers, 20 second later I put robo down, 10 seconds later he makes the hydralisk den, I put robobay down and 10 seconds later he cancels hydralisk den and put a mutalisk den. All of this without scouting.
His explanation: this was the build and this is what I wanted to do from start. Really? I say that he maphacks and when he saw robo bay down he just canceled hidras and went mutas. Furthermore, if you check the entire game, in 35 minutes he actually sees my army like 4-5 times, and he always attacks where the army is not without any scouting. His scouting is terrible, checks my main for tech like 2 times in the first 12 minutes and that's all (once more the game is 35 minutes long). Takes 4th without scouting what army I have and so on. The list of odd things is actually longer than the odd things on my side.
But for the people here it is fine to blindly change tech tree, it is fine to obviosly peek in the FoW (like the terran did in that game) and all kind of stuff and in the end I am the maphacker. It would be hilarious if it wasn't me accused...
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[inferi]Ashfall
EU server
Master league ---1400 points
http://drop.sc/354655
Pulls scv to defend before my probe comes into his base
Makes 2-3 turrets before he sees stargate, and salvages his bunker before seeing anything
Sends his army right to my third without scouting it
Starts building ghost academy before building any vikings and no scouting at all
14:05 - selects his ghosts to emp without seeing my army at all
he has already been accused in this thread some time ago
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Player: [Verse]TNBiggeR http://ggtracker.com/players/449339/TNBiggeR
NA
Master League 1099 points
Protoss
http://ggtracker.com/matches/3877037
hardest evidence:
21:00 sends 4 zealots exactly to unscouted random position hatchery during base trade all way across zerg dominated map
21:26 sends voidrays exactly to unscouted random position gas extractor during base trade across unsafe area
but also:
5:20 After "scouting" roach warren, he cuts probes to make a ridiculous double wall while zerg is making a bane nest in the fog but no roaches
10:00 handles mothership core repeatedly just as zerg is moving about outside his base in the fog
10:30 double stargate 20 seconds after unscouted zerg spire on 2 base 8 gateway robo (that masters level metagame)
11:26 lucky momma core "scout" of spire in the mid of zergs base
http://ggtracker.com/matches/3881195
5:20 sends "scout" at building zerg bane nest through fog, doesn't click on it or on gas, goes on to make a double wall anyway. But zerg doesn't make banes and goes lair drones instead - with no further scouting he gives up the wall and cancels structures.
13:30 moves his entire army completely out of the way straight to the zerg ninja base with no scouting
http://ggtracker.com/matches/3880986
3:30ish sends a zealot multiple times to the exact position of my unscouted proxy factory
Also being a dick in chat and paranoid about the other guy maphacking.
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On August 17 2013 11:40 Mayhemia- wrote:The fact how Egomancer behaves is pretty much enough evidence to deduce he is cheating. However. We have not one, but three replays of the "master level" player who does not scout. Nada, none at all. http://drop.sc/354369http://drop.sc/354364http://drop.sc/352984Even without any suspicious moves (which he does a lot), I would consider the level of scouting more than enough proof. If he really does not cheat and wants to clear his name he posts full replay pack of all of his latest games. However, I'd like to point out that his match history shows 8-24 record for today, soo, unless there's a way to find all the games played on the account and match the list with the replays I doubt he'll ever release conclusive evidence. (Is there a way to find all games someone has played, and not just last X games shown on match history?)
Just watched the first game. I don't think I've seen a sadder dt rush in my life. He's like minutes late because he forgets to move his warp prism forever, then drops two dts in an almost unscouted spot and does nothing with them until T kills them. Silver players would be ashamed.
He's spot on with the momma ship selected before marines walk in. He moves his whole army to the third right when the drop comes. He makes 3 cannons at his fourth and sends a probe to meet a tricky side push/drop so his army has an excuse to move in. He literally parks his entire army right at the very edge of the vision of the unscouted terran death ball for about a minute until his collosi arrive.
So cheat. And the typical paranoia the other guy hacking. Cheaters naturally expect others to cheat.
Sad.
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On August 18 2013 17:17 Egomancer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 02:19 Nyast wrote:
Also, while the PvP replay I posted is unconclusive alone, it still shows your camera jumping on to my army right at the moment it enters into your view. There's no delay here. It shows you having reaction times better than pros, OR map hacking. Guess which one is more likely.
That is a lie. The camera DOES NOT GO where you say that it goes at minute 5.26. I posted screenshots that the camera is NOT there. Furthermore there is another person on this thread that does not see the camera jumping at minute 5.26. Which means that you either have a problem with your starcraft either you somehow edited the screenshot. Something is wrong with your screenshot, it is the 100000000000th time we keep telling you this. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 02:19 Nyast wrote:
You took at third at 7', without knowing ANYTHING about what Zerg was doing. In fact, for all you know, he could be preparing a banneling bust, a roach all-in, anything. That's an indredibly risky build you have here.
Why don't you explain your weird army movements ? Like at 18'30, you move your entire army away from your natural ( you have no idea where Zerg's army is, if you don't map hack ) to go at your fourth, where the zerglings you can't see are wandering. Then when Zerg's about to attack your natural with his mutas, at 19'05 exactly, you move your entire army at your natural before seeing the mutas ! Come on ! This isn't an isolated incident, that game is full of weird coincidences that happen exactly at the right timing Zerg's doing something !
And about our PvP, now you're saying I lied ? So I forged that screenshot where it shows that at 5'26 that your camera is jumping on my army before you can see it ? I have such a personal vandetta against you that I'd fake a screenshot ? Geez... stop being stubborn, just admit to the wrongs you've done, and let everybody move on, stop acting like a child !
And yes, I say that you either forged the screenshot either something is terribly wrong. There is at least another person on this thread that checked the replay and DID NOT SEE THAT CAMERA MOVE. You are the only one that sees it, I do not see it, nobody else sees it. As about my army movements, I always cycle with it between my bases if I do not have info about what the enemy does. When I think that I have an army strong enough, I move out on the map, which I actually do. This thread is full of lies. There is a list of suspect things happening - like me peeking in the FoW, but when I looked at the replay I saw that in fact I was checking some cannons that just finished, clicking on map and the zerg army is in fact NOT in the FoW and so on. I have posted screenshots that prove that I do not peek into FoW. I asked multiple times that you post screenshots with me peeking in the FoW but no one posted anything, Why is that? Basically you fabricated all the "suspect" things but when I point this fact to you, you all keep switching to some other "suspect" things and so on in a circular fashion. This is getting tiresome and I honestly do not have all the time some 16 old year kids have to post screenshots for each thing that you fabricate. Can you please answer me this questions: Why are you the only one that sees camera jumping at minute 5.26? Don't you think that it is odd that you accuse me of maphacking based on a camera jump that you are the only person in the world that can see it ?
No, you are the one lying, and I'm tired of you trying to distract attention to somebody else's. It's not your fault, it's the 2 other guys who are maphackers, and it's me lying, yeah ? This is my last post in this thread, I've wasted enough time on you. I've streamed our game, now anybody can make his own opinion on whether you're hacking or not:
http://www.twitch.tv/nyast/b/447571522?t=2m25s
But of course, I'm sure you're gonna say something incredibly stupid, like, I "forged" that entire video. Bye.
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Egomancer
Just explain 16:47 in the AcieDeucie PvZ replay. You photon overcharge out of vision range in an anticipation of an attack.
You hack, there's the 100% proof anyone needs. And it's sad how you are the guy who tries to shift the blame towards anyone else. Oh, and btw it's not working. Since Everyone here thinks that you cheat.
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On August 18 2013 20:15 poker_dio wrote:
Just watched the first game. I don't think I've seen a sadder dt rush in my life. He's like minutes late because he forgets to move his warp prism forever, then drops two dts in an almost unscouted spot and does nothing with them until T kills them. Silver players would be ashamed.
He's spot on with the momma ship selected before marines walk in. He moves his whole army to the third right when the drop comes. He makes 3 cannons at his fourth and sends a probe to meet a tricky side push/drop so his army has an excuse to move in. He literally parks his entire army right at the very edge of the vision of the unscouted terran death ball for about a minute until his collosi arrive.
So cheat. And the typical paranoia the other guy hacking. Cheaters naturally expect others to cheat.
Sad.
This is what happens when you are born retarded...
I do not make and drop the DTs at once because the terran just makes a "magic" scan on the DT shrine exactly the moment the warpPrism pops up and he can figure out exactly when it reaches his base. This is also the reason I do nothing with the DTs, he would kill them before they actually make damage, I just kept them to attack when he moves out with the army.
I move my army at the 3rd because the guy scans without reason my army spot on at minute 12. Consequently 10 seconds later I move my army at my 3rd. This is standard...
If you look at the replay, starting minute 6.30 when the first marine pushes come, or most of the mine pushes come I cycle between my second nexus and the MC for like 10 seconds because I expect a push.
On August 18 2013 20:15 poker_dio wrote:
He makes 3 cannons at his fourth and sends a probe to meet a tricky side push/drop so his army has an excuse to move in.
This one is priceless, so I assume that I need to let my 4th unguarded because otherwise I am maphacking, right? Man, maybe in silver league where you play this happens, unfortunately for you this is masters...
On August 18 2013 20:15 poker_dio wrote:
He literally parks his entire army right at the very edge of the vision of the unscouted terran death ball for about a minute until his collosi arrive.
That is true and a coincidence, I mean I have a general idea that his army "should be" in front of his 3 bases so I place mine so I can attack him.
So, if you do not understand the game, the matchup and generally the world you are living in, please do not comment...
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On August 18 2013 20:18 Mayhemia- wrote:Egomancer Just explain 16:47 in the AcieDeucie PvZ replay. You photon overcharge out of vision range in an anticipation of an attack. You hack, there's the 100% proof anyone needs. And it's sad how you are the guy who tries to shift the blame towards anyone else. Oh, and btw it's not working. Since Everyone here thinks that you cheat.
Mayhemia - just explain the 11.30 peek into FoW please....
You hack, there's the 100% proof anyone needs. And it's sad how you are the guy who tries to shift the blame towards anyone else. Oh, and btw it's not working. Since Everyone here thinks that you cheat.
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On August 18 2013 20:31 Egomancer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:18 Mayhemia- wrote:Egomancer Just explain 16:47 in the AcieDeucie PvZ replay. You photon overcharge out of vision range in an anticipation of an attack. You hack, there's the 100% proof anyone needs. And it's sad how you are the guy who tries to shift the blame towards anyone else. Oh, and btw it's not working. Since Everyone here thinks that you cheat. Mayhemia - just explain the 11.30 peek into FoW please....
This only strengthens my point. You do not answer accusations, but you do try to derail the conversation away from you. Well, I have shocking news. You are the important one here, because there are no less than four replays of you. =) So, don't try to take this into childish levels. Don't try to take the focus out of yourself. Answer the question, and then, I don't know. Figure out something else to do, but starcraft.
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On August 18 2013 20:15 Nyast wrote:No, you are the one lying, and I'm tired of you trying to distract attention to somebody else's. It's not your fault, it's the 2 other guys who are maphackers, and it's me lying, yeah ? This is my last post in this thread, I've wasted enough time on you. I've streamed our game, now anybody can make his own opinion on whether you're hacking or not: http://www.twitch.tv/nyast/b/447571522?t=2m25sBut of course, I'm sure you're gonna say something incredibly stupid, like, I "forged" that entire video. Bye.
http://www.twitch.tv/egomancer/b/447580248
Here is the movie with the same replay on my computer and this is what I see ingame. I never said that you maphacked because there is no evidence of maphacking. However you accuse me that I am maphacking while in this movie it is obvious that I see the spot on minimap and I move the camera on it AFTER that. Check the movie...
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On August 18 2013 20:39 Mayhemia- wrote:
This only strengthens my point. You do not answer accusations, but you do try to derail the conversation away from you. Well, I have shocking news. You are the important one here, because there are no less than four replays of you. =) So, don't try to take this into childish levels. Don't try to take the focus out of yourself. Answer the question, and then, I don't know. Figure out something else to do, but starcraft.
Look, Nyast said that I maphacked and I made a movie prooving that I am not maphacking. I do not have the time now, but I will make a movie with the explanation of what happened at minute 16.30, I honestly do not remember what I did at that particular moment in a game 2 weeks ago.
However, when I was accused that I am peeking in FoW I made screenshots and movies that prove that I did not. I accuse you that you are maphacking because you peeked into FoW around minute 11-12, I do not remember the original timing. Make a movie that shows that you did not peek and all is fine...
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Accuser: "That's bad, it's not how people play in masters"
Egomancer: "I'm just stupid bro"
Accuser: "How do you explain this?"
Egomancer: "How do YOU explain THAT?!?!??!?"
Here, I saved you guys a bunch of time. Nothing to do about this one until nunez comes back.
One thing that I'll never understand is blatant hackers who tirelessly try to clear their name when they're basically nobodies.
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On August 18 2013 14:33 Legacy03 wrote:[EzBm] EZMODE hacker on NA high masters http://drop.sc/354644 Let me know what you guys think. It was whirlwind proxy gateway, into no scouting cannoning up for roach pressure, into cannoning second base in mineral line knowing my tech without scouting, teching phoenix vs my muta transition.
Reacts to muta flock being close in the fog, tries to move a proxy probe out of the way of a scouting ling before it comes out of fog, and what you said about double cannons in mineral line vs. unscouted muta is a dead giveaway. Looks pretty confirmed to me.
Check out his chat in this: http://drop.sc/353064 he admits hacking 4 times and complains about "all in" in chat without scouting zerg's roach attack.
" so love how u ahve hax as well and u hide it good ROfl "
" ur map hacking to faggot ROFL "
" u are fucking map hacing to ROFl "
" ur map hacking to nigger "
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On August 18 2013 20:59 RezJ wrote:
Accuser: "That's bad, it's not how people play in masters"
Egomancer: "I'm just stupid bro"
Accuser: "How do you explain this?"
Egomancer: "How do YOU explain THAT?!?!??!?"
Here, I saved you guys a bunch of time. Nothing to do about this one until nunez comes back.
One thing that I'll never understand is blatant hackers who tirelessly try to clear their name when they're basically nobodies.
Well hes not really a nobody he uses the team NrS tag and some have stated that he is the owner (I don't know myself) as Liquepedia says ZeroSkill (Andrei Gireada) is the owner but he could have just changed handles.
Their most notable player is Welmu.
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On August 18 2013 21:04 -Dustin- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:59 RezJ wrote:
Accuser: "That's bad, it's not how people play in masters"
Egomancer: "I'm just stupid bro"
Accuser: "How do you explain this?"
Egomancer: "How do YOU explain THAT?!?!??!?"
Here, I saved you guys a bunch of time. Nothing to do about this one until nunez comes back.
One thing that I'll never understand is blatant hackers who tirelessly try to clear their name when they're basically nobodies. Well hes not really a nobody he uses the team NrS tag and some have stated that he is the owner (I don't know myself) as Liquepedia says ZeroSkill (Andrei Gireada) is the owner but he could have just changed handles. Their most notable player is Welmu.
Interesting.
The Liquipedia page doesn't list a Lionheart. Can someone confirm his account is a member of the actual NrS clan on battle.net?
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Alright got it. Found him on twitter @Egomancer he is the owner of NrS.
Same name (Andrei Gireada) and asking how to get into contact with players for recruitment.
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