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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On April 18 2013 22:23 nunez wrote:you can stream and still hack. it doesn't prove or disprove anything. posting like a douche serves only to hurt the legitimacy of this thread.
Ahh, allright, but calling someone a hacker just because hes smart enough to send his drone 5 seconds earlier than usual to scout for possible proxies (which quite often happen on ladder) before expanding at the natural is legitimate?
That is actually the douche-move
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On April 18 2013 22:41 doggy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 22:23 nunez wrote:you can stream and still hack. it doesn't prove or disprove anything. posting like a douche serves only to hurt the legitimacy of this thread. Ahh, allright, but calling someone a hacker just because hes smart enough to send his drone 5 seconds earlier than usual to scout for possible proxies (which quite often happen on ladder) before expanding at the natural is legitimate? That is actually the douche-move
yes, i do it myself frequently when i don't see a scouting probe.
he's accusing you of hacking, saying 'obviously' maphack. this is of course not an acceptable way to submit a replay, you would have to be a fool to think i was condoning that.
it is in some people's interest that this thread does not produce results, and they will try to disrupt it. or they could be enraged after losing and post it to vent. in his case it is probably one of these, as you can see from this previous page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16323169
either way the best course of action is to point out where he's wrong and leave it at that. there's nothing to be gained by posting like a douche.
edit: if you feel that he is posting just to slander you or with malicious intent, you can just report it and i'm sure a mod will deal with it for you. if you don't have the ability to report yet i suggest you crank out some battle reports blogs from your laddering adventures.
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Hi guy, i dont where i have to post it, but i got a replay against map hacker. I want know what you think about it!
http://drop.sc/325170
A zerg taking 0 information. Going spore hydra with 0 information.
0 overlord scooting, even not looking front of my B2.
And at 10 min mark, he see my void ray going in B1 with Watch tower, i go back to come again on Watch tower see if he moves, and he go back at Watch tower without seeing my void ray....
1400 master zerg...ridiculous!
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On April 18 2013 23:10 FoUsTyY wrote:Hi guy, i dont where i have to post it, but i got a replay against map hacker. I want know what you think about it! http://drop.sc/325170A zerg taking 0 information. Going spore hydra with 0 information. 0 overlord scooting, even not looking front of my B2. And at 10 min mark, he see my void ray going in B1 with Watch tower, i go back to come again on Watch tower see if he moves, and he go back at Watch tower without seeing my void ray.... 1400 master zerg...ridiculous!
In his defense, he only saw a few zealots so your gas was obviously going somewhere. Though the timings are pretty clutch.
The weirdest part i think is when you are going towards his base at 11:15, and hes going to defend, but then as you back up he goes back to his 4th without seeing that you backed up. Maybe since you took too long to get there he guessed that you backed up.
That's all I could find :S
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On April 18 2013 23:10 FoUsTyY wrote:Hi guy, i dont where i have to post it, but i got a replay against map hacker. I want know what you think about it! http://drop.sc/325170A zerg taking 0 information. Going spore hydra with 0 information. 0 overlord scooting, even not looking front of my B2. And at 10 min mark, he see my void ray going in B1 with Watch tower, i go back to come again on Watch tower see if he moves, and he go back at Watch tower without seeing my void ray.... 1400 master zerg...ridiculous!
Nothing really fishy up to 11 mins except poor scout and pretty bad mechanics for a 1.4k player
the movement you mentioned was pretty fishy, after that at 12 mins he attacks his hydras towards your air units without knowing their position. 12:30 another risky and uninformed hydra interception.
Crude inject hack seems present. Hotkey 6 is only changed when injects occur, some form of selection storage, all injects happen extremely fast
12:15 Utah Hotkey Assign 1 (add selection) <army>
12:16 Utah Hotkey Assign 6 <selection storage group?>
12:16 Utah Hotkey Select 5 <queen group>
12:16 Utah [MinimapClick] Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Lair (1028c); target: x=127.50,y=119.50
12:16 Utah [MinimapClick] Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Hatchery (1033c); target: x=145.50,y=98.50
12:17 Utah [MinimapClick] Spawn Larva (Queen); target: Hatchery (10378); target: x=149.50,y=61.50
12:17 Utah Hotkey Select 6 <selection storage group?>
12:18 Utah Select Hatchery (50400), Deselect all
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Look 2 times at 11 to 13 min.
One time he go back on Watch tower (that all see)
One other time he go on my void ray with only hydralisk without seeing that my void ray are here. Just look 11 : 54 too.
I just speak with otehr of his opponent and he thinks too MH.
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Name: SheWantsTheD http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3347090/1/SheWantsTheD/
Server: NA
Currently ranked 8 WoL GM ladder.
Replay: http://drop.sc/325214
Thing that got me to investigate was his accusing me of hacking after he lost which I figured might be self-projection, and upon viewing the replay seems a very clear case of map hacking.
Points of note:
-Sends first 2 marines straight to my natural without scv scouting after I nex first on Entombed.
-Pushes blindly across the map straight to my third without scouting that it was there.
-Blind counters Templar with with not 1 but 2 ghost academies without ever actually scouting Templar tech.
-Sends random ghosts in straight line to try to snipe/emp templar which he theoretically does not know where are
-Suspicious scans of stationary observers at 23:05 and 24:02, note he scans directly on top of the observers not on top of his army
-Blind drops an unscouted ninja expo at 23:50
But overall the most damning thing is probably just this players poor micro/macro/mechanics for someone who prior to this game was ranked 7th in GM, you'll note he had to call down supply twice by 9:30 and also notice a propensity for eating storms to the face with medivacs stacked on top of bio without any micro attempted.
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Name: Kpaxi
Server: NA
he is master top 8
replay: http://drop.sc/325369
Hack: MAP HACK!
So obvius map hacker .... he never scout, he snipe my ninja expa and he snipe my drops as a god...
the question is.. how hackers can lose a game >.<?
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On April 18 2013 22:41 doggy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 22:23 nunez wrote:you can stream and still hack. it doesn't prove or disprove anything. posting like a douche serves only to hurt the legitimacy of this thread. Ahh, allright, but calling someone a hacker just because hes smart enough to send his drone 5 seconds earlier than usual to scout for possible proxies (which quite often happen on ladder) before expanding at the natural is legitimate? That is actually the douche-move
How can you stream and maphack at the same time. Won't it show on your stream? Sincerely confused
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Screw up ur rally and ur a MH. Deal with drops half decent? MH must be. GG. Get lucky with a proxy once? MUST BE A MH! GG~.~ Thanks for ruining my legit playstyle guys! I'm done with this game. Woln't be logging in again, pce. Gunna go to a game where when u play legit people don't blame you for dumb !*@#.
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Great! one hacker less :D good bye Kpaxi ^^
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Hackers lose games because their MMR is higher then it should be because of freewins vs people that cheese.
If you play solid and standard you will generally win against them as they aren't as good as you if you end up against them.
And yeah Kpaxi, typical hacker reaction, thanks for leaving Starcraft 2, make battlenet a better place!
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Name: RDSTyle starcraft://profile/3/3753552390205210624
Server: KR
League: Master
Replay: http://drop.sc/325382
Description:
5:46 He looks at most random place on the map far away from his base (which where i sent my probe at) and sends mothership despite not scouting anything.
6:34 Again, he looks at random place in fog of war exactly where my oracle was moving that moment.
7:53 He looks exactly where my units are, at random location on the map under fog of war.
8:53 He moves his camera right before phoenix show up and blinks on them instantly.
9:34 Despite he has no vision at all, he moves ALL his stalker at random place to catch my phoenix en route.
9:57 After he seemed like he was going back his base, he quickly changed direction of his units because i changed my phoenix path
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On April 19 2013 14:12 HeafynK wrote:Name: Kpaxi Server: NA he is master top 8 replay: http://drop.sc/325369Hack: MAP HACK! So obvius map hacker .... he never scout, he snipe my ninja expa and he snipe my drops as a god... the question is.. how hackers can lose a game >.<?
Blatant maphack, the zerg never scouted yet he knew about every drop, he had his units ready to counter your drops, he never scouted your ninja expo yet he send the right amount of units to deal with it, what a disgrace man, the saddest thing is that this dude lost a game using map hacks, how in the fuck do you lose a game using hacks, well played HeafynK.
BYE Kpaxi.
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On April 19 2013 14:32 Kpaxi wrote:
Screw up ur rally and ur a MH. Deal with drops half decent? MH must be. GG. Get lucky with a proxy once? MUST BE A MH! GG~.~ Thanks for ruining my legit playstyle guys! I'm done with this game. Woln't be logging in again, pce. Gunna go to a game where when u play legit people don't blame you for dumb !*@#.
I didn't know a legit playstyle included auto inject LOL.
Aren't you the leader of your clan? After a suspicious game on this thread, I can't believe you were stupid enough to keep hacking so blatantly. Can't say I'm surprised at this replay with how obnoxious and immature you are. Always funny watching terrible hackers get absolutely crushed by standard play, thanks for the laughs!
Parting is such sweet sorrow.
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poor kpaxi, almost shed a tear for him. what would bnet do without another blatant mher?
and whoever is calling Pulsedoggy a mher is an idiot. check your replay and stop blaming your losses on different things other than yourself.
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On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream
While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming.
He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious.
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On April 19 2013 16:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming. He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious.
a good example of this would be with that wlhgeorge guy. he used 'i'm streaming' as an excuse, but when you checked his vods it was fairly easy to see that he was hacking. (in addition to all the other proof ofc)
however his mental capacity is probably well below average, and i don't think it would be hard for a more gifted person to pull it off without raising eyebrows. looking at you blade. 
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