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On April 19 2013 16:55 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming. He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious.
There is no Map hack currently that can be hidden from streaming. All true map hacks are internal and would be captured by the stream as it injects into the game itself.
Now what you can hide on stream are External Overlays of say the persons production/income/and the mini map, but not a full blown map hack.
So he could be cheating, on stream, but would not be able to see the persons base/builds/proxy locations, only the external overlay information and blobs on a external mini map.
But it's impossible to hide a full blown map hack from a stream, so if he was using a true map hack, it would show up on the stream and twitch would close his channel. Even then, only way to hide the Overlays on stream, he would have to capture the game source from w/e broadcasting he uses xsplit or obs and not use screen region.
So he would have to keep alt/tabing out of the game to look at the overlays, which would show up on stream as alot of pauses ect. Pretty hard to Cheat on stream and remain hidden, it certainly shows up.
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On April 19 2013 17:12 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 16:55 blade55555 wrote:On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming. He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious. There is no Map hack currently that can be hidden from streaming. All true map hacks are internal and would be captured by the stream as it injects into the game itself. Now what you can hide on stream are External Overlays of say the persons production/income/and the mini map, but not a full blown map hack. So he could be cheating, on stream, but would not be able to see the persons base/builds/proxy locations, only the external overlay information and blobs on a external mini map. But it's impossible to hide a full blown map hack from a stream, so if he was using a true map hack, it would show up on the stream and twitch would close his channel.
that is misinformation at worst, inaccurate at best.
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i agree that xsplit, obs or whatever will catch a internal maphack but since external MH are an overlay, they can be bypassed by the stream program by using the source game instead of the full region screen as LingBlingBling said but capturing the game source don't make any overlay unavailable for the player !
Proof with a simple overlay (keyboard from windows) :
Check
By the way, if anyone here is a mac user, a new user of TL made a MAC Version of the Sc2 HDB Online Checker Tool. His name is SPoF. you can find the tool here :
www.starcraft2hackerdatabase.com
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On April 19 2013 17:57 Sc2HDB wrote:i agree that xsplit, obs or whatever will catch a internal maphack but since external MH are an overlay, they can be bypassed by the stream program by using the source game instead of the full region screen as LingBlingBling said but capturing the game source don't make any overlay unavailable for the player ! Proof with a simple overlay (keyboard from windows) : CheckBy the way, if anyone here is a mac user, a new user of TL made a MAC Version of the Sc2 HDB Online Checker Tool. His name is SPoF. you can find the tool here : www.starcraft2hackerdatabase.com
Hi, do you mind putting a brief description on your linked links for us readers? Cuz I feel unsafe clicking links dno about what is behind them.
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On April 19 2013 18:14 Lobbo wrote:
Hi, do you mind putting a brief description on your linked links for us readers? Cuz I feel unsafe clicking links dno about what is behind them.
Nunez made a brief description on the original post and you can find a dedicated thread here :
Sc2HDB TL Thread
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Please guys Help. I am completely sure this guy is maphacking
Farbauti (aka LiquidSul) maphacking in GM league on Europe.
replays : http://drop.sc/325412
Second time i catch this guy maphacking. No scout on Star Station but sends his probe directly to my base mid game to proxy his dts. i go dt too and he builds robo with no scouting , expects my attacks, what a lowlife. please confirm.
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On April 19 2013 17:19 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 17:12 LingBlingBling wrote:On April 19 2013 16:55 blade55555 wrote:On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming. He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious. There is no Map hack currently that can be hidden from streaming. All true map hacks are internal and would be captured by the stream as it injects into the game itself. Now what you can hide on stream are External Overlays of say the persons production/income/and the mini map, but not a full blown map hack. So he could be cheating, on stream, but would not be able to see the persons base/builds/proxy locations, only the external overlay information and blobs on a external mini map. But it's impossible to hide a full blown map hack from a stream, so if he was using a true map hack, it would show up on the stream and twitch would close his channel. that is misinformation at worst, inaccurate at best.
It's very accurate, I work with computer reverse engineering software and very aware what programs (private) and public are out for sc2, only External overlays can be hidden from stream, any internal hacks can be seen via stream period. There is no way other then External overlays to hide a map hack. So streaming can at the very least weed out the person using any type of external hacks. (external hacks being the most common and have the automation features).
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if your post only stated: only External overlays can be hidden from stream, any internal hacks can be seen via stream period.
it would still be inaccurate and unprecise.
maybe you have a decent point in there somewhere, but you're wrapping it in too much nonsense.
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On April 19 2013 20:31 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 17:19 nunez wrote:On April 19 2013 17:12 LingBlingBling wrote:On April 19 2013 16:55 blade55555 wrote:On April 18 2013 22:22 tirexuk wrote:
u can stream with mh lol
it is simple to hide mh from stream While it's true if you are streaming and map hacking sorry it would be kind of obvious as a viewer if I were watching a player and he just happened to always scout a proxy on the first try, if he always attempted to scout a drop or an attack incoming. He may be able to hide it from the viewer seeing the actual map hack (dunno how) but his play would still be suspicious. There is no Map hack currently that can be hidden from streaming. All true map hacks are internal and would be captured by the stream as it injects into the game itself. Now what you can hide on stream are External Overlays of say the persons production/income/and the mini map, but not a full blown map hack. So he could be cheating, on stream, but would not be able to see the persons base/builds/proxy locations, only the external overlay information and blobs on a external mini map. But it's impossible to hide a full blown map hack from a stream, so if he was using a true map hack, it would show up on the stream and twitch would close his channel. that is misinformation at worst, inaccurate at best. It's very accurate, I work with computer reverse engineering software and very aware what programs (private) and public are out for sc2, only External overlays can be hidden from stream, any internal hacks can be seen via stream period. There is no way other then External overlays to hide a map hack. So streaming can at the very least weed out the person using any type of external hacks. (external hacks being the most common and have the automation features).
Dont really see how being limited to only an external overlay is much of a limitation at all. They could still code an entire production panel and unit in the overlay pretty easily and an external minimap would be plenty. If anything it would almost be good for them as they cannot be caught doing impossible actions, like clicking on things in the fog of war. Equally staring at fog of war would be unproductive for them, not to mention how much more vulnerable to warden an injected program is than just an external memory reading program.
Only real advantage of an internal program is the automation
On April 19 2013 20:41 nunez wrote:
if your post only stated: only External overlays can be hidden from stream, any internal hacks can be seen via stream period.
it would still be inaccurate and unprecise.
maybe you have a decent point in there somewhere, but you're wrapping it in too much nonsense.
Perhaps im missing something but i dont think his point is unclear. An injected hack reveals the map uses the internal production and units tabs, has internal automation features etc. Hiding that on stream is just completely impossible.
An external hack would be undetectable on stream, as streamers record just the starcraft window via game capture or window capture. Even if they used monitor capture they could have the overlays on another monitor. Any overlayed windows would not be revealed. Dont really see any way of detecting a smart hacker using overlays without analysing hundreds of replays and just proving it based on a huge amount of coincidental army movements or tech choices, even if they streamed every game.
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On April 19 2013 18:52 bGr.MetHiX wrote:Please guys Help. I am completely sure this guy is maphacking Farbauti (aka LiquidSul) maphacking in GM league on Europe. replays : http://drop.sc/325412Second time i catch this guy maphacking. No scout on Star Station but sends his probe directly to my base mid game to proxy his dts. i go dt too and he builds robo with no scouting , expects my attacks, what a lowlife. please confirm.
He maphacks 100%, he knows when to bring obs and warpprism to avoid turrets, and he hardcoutners everytime and 0 scouting all game long, but knows mech transition without even seeing 1 factory.
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Sokvisou vs VGN
Name of possible hacker = Sokvisou
Current league= Master
First thing I notcied when I followed the replay was that he dont really follow his scout , its just on move commond to every base (to show that he is scouting) , but when he scouts the second location he just goes up the ramp and then down, not in range of spotting anything. Without scouting ANYTHING he goes Robo and DT shrine and chronos out obs right before my DTs are on their way. And when my DTs comes he moves his stalkers in that direction ( knowing they will come from there).
He then warps in his own DTs and ye GG
He also got really low APM and no multi tasking.
It wasnt nice of me being so BM during the game , but I am so angry at hackers now busting a teammate 2 weeks ago.
Replay
http://drop.sc/325433
http://drop.sc/replays?player=#175271
the other replay is from 1 year ago, he doesnt even try to hide the hack in that replay
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@lksf i was making the point that he was being inaccurate. an internal hack doesn't necessarily produce visible results on a stream. it depends on what it does.
in addition an external hack and automation are not mutually exclusive.
maybe overly pedantic, but there's no point stating vague claims you can not possibly back up. keep it simple, all that needs to be stated here is that you can stream and hack at the same time.
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why is it important that you can hide a maphack from stream?
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On April 20 2013 00:10 coldscars wrote:
guys stop talking about whether you can hide a maphack or what, just post replays and maphacker names.
You are talking to the guy (Nunez) who updates this important topic, and gives it its validation. Surely you wouldn't want him to feel like you give the directive over this topic instead of him?
I'll take this opportunity to show my respect for nunez, great work and keep it up m8. Truly a big commitment and you're doing an awesome job of fullfilling it.
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ahaha. i don't mind some critique, but since the title is gm / master map hacker and general cheating thread i figured you guys would let it pass.
thanks for the back pat!
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On April 20 2013 00:10 coldscars wrote:
why is it important that you can hide a maphack from stream?
because there are a ton of confirmed hackers/unconfirmed who claimed they can show their play via stream to prove they arent cheating. if they can maphack and stream at the same time without it showing up then streaming your pov play is no longer a viable proof that you are not cheating.
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since i haven't been able to confirm myself yet using sc2hdbs tool (it doesn't seem to pick up on what gateway i am on) i made a small tool myself. i will improve it in the future, just need to finish exams etc.
edit sc2hdb tool was working today! nevermind that part.
it's just a console app for now and plays a neigh sound and prints alert when you queue vs a hacker.
note that it does read from sc2 process memory and thus is violating the eula. it only reads player 1 name for checking if you're in a game, player 1 id and player 2 id as well as the first two letters in the gateway url. use at your own discretion.
tl antihack
source
you can edit the "nlist.txt" file where the hackers are stored to add new ones etc. it should be pretty apparent what the format is. it's just a modified version of the list compiled by sc2hdb, currently 134 hackers on it, don't know how many active. the first two entries are my id's on eu and na, if you queue vs soulbrother and it neighs don't be alarmed. you can remove them if you like.
it's not thoroughly tested, and there are probably plenty of bugs and shortcomings, but i tested it with a friend in a custom game on eu, and when i added myself to the list it neighed. i am not sure if it works with shorter id. let me know if you try it and it doesn't work or you actually meet a hacker on ladder.
sorry for the terrible coding, but since i am doing it for fun i didn't really care that much about design etc.
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On April 09 2013 01:02 LennoxPM wrote:Hacker name: Farbauti Server: EU League: Masters Description: Map hacker. I did Grubby's opening I saw on his stream, thats stargate/forge/cannon in front. He went for blind twilight council and while it was building he wrote "ahahahaha hacker", I did not understand what the hell he speaks about.But now im almost sure that he wanted to go blind dt. After that there are multiple times when he watches my army like 7:40-7:50 or 8:05. 8:22 he suddendly switche to his base and targets his mothershipcore and waits my phoenix to fly nearby, then he buffs his nexus. After that there a lot of times when he randomly blinks or gets into the position to defend against my phoenix pressure. rep: http://drop.sc/319454
pls confirm this
EDIT: its already confirmed, sorry for the post, you can delete it.
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Hi, just played a hacker at EU and its quite obvious after he dronespulls to kill a nydus he yet have not seen. But thats just the start, have fun watching.................. Mainly blind finding every nydus the instant i put it down. But it would be a pleasure to see him busting himself in other ways i have not seen yet.
http://drop.sc/325554
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