GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…

You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.

Shin_Gouki

United States312 Posts

December 14 2012 04:06 GMT

#4061

On December 14 2012 13:03 oOOoOphidian wrote:
lost the replay, but a high masters terran on NA called Tragic is maphacking lately

I've gone against tragic a few times, but I never suspected him of foul play. O.o

oOOoOphidian

United States1400 Posts

December 14 2012 04:08 GMT

#4062

On December 14 2012 13:04 ( bush wrote:

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really? played him twice today and havent found anything weird.

He opened 2 vikings and right clicked them straight to every single overlord, never once missing direction despite them being all over the place and in locations you wouldn't expect. Then I nydus outside his 3rd and he sends his army directly there without scouting whatsoever. It was incredibly blatant. On top of that, he had 40 scvs and only 1-1 by 20 minutes, yet he is 1k point masters. You should post your replay even if you don't think it's suspicious. If I play him again, I'll post one.

yeohong

United States5 Posts

December 14 2012 04:10 GMT

#4063

On December 14 2012 13:03 oOOoOphidian wrote:
lost the replay, but a high masters terran on NA called Tragic is maphacking lately

HAHA WHAT A COINCIDENCE (sorry caps)

He just accused me of maphacking and said he was going to post all over reddit and TL, for beating him. I was even streaming with TWO webcams so I'd have all the proof in the world. He really is an immature kid. I don't think he's maphacking though, he just does stupid builds (proxy factory and made like 20 hellions (I'm Protoss)) He said my 2 cannons on the edge of my 4th nexus on day break was maphacks. and my reacting by warping in stalkers in my third was also maphack, although he killed 40 probes. Shall I link my stream to the game if anyone is interested?

tassblaster

Canada47 Posts

December 14 2012 04:11 GMT

#4064

yup tragic did the same to me after i stopped his cheese dead in his tracks said he was going to post alll over reddit and TL I even scouted like a MAD MAN

yeohong

United States5 Posts

December 14 2012 04:11 GMT

#4065

On December 14 2012 13:11 tassblaster wrote:
yup tragic did the same to me after i stopped his cheese dead in his tracks said he was going to post alll over reddit and TL I even scouted like a MAD MAN

Time to pm this guy

oOOoOphidian

United States1400 Posts

December 14 2012 04:13 GMT

#4066

Yeah he is kind of cheesy and bm, but his maphacking was blatant. Maybe you guys have some evidence that would be useful.

tassblaster

Canada47 Posts

December 14 2012 04:14 GMT

#4067

On December 14 2012 13:11 yeohong wrote:

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Time to pm this guy

ya he told me blizzard was going to ban me for playing safe XD

yeohong

United States5 Posts

December 14 2012 04:16 GMT

#4068

On December 14 2012 13:14 tassblaster wrote:

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ya he told me blizzard was going to ban me for playing safe XD

how do i upload a replay. is there any way to attach

yeohong

United States5 Posts

December 14 2012 04:19 GMT

#4069

hmm. won't let me download. let me try again

http://drop.sc/284214

Erik.TheRed

United States1654 Posts

December 14 2012 04:30 GMT

#4070

On December 14 2012 13:03 oOOoOphidian wrote:
lost the replay, but a high masters terran on NA called Tragic is maphacking lately

I used to play vs him a lot a few months ago. I remember him being absurdly BM but I never noticed anything like hacks. He might have started since then though, and I wouldn't be too surprised given his attitude towards the game.

Eggi

475 Posts

December 14 2012 04:32 GMT

#4071

Is there a HoTs beta cheating thread?
def just played one

yeohong

United States5 Posts

December 14 2012 04:42 GMT

#4072

wow, people hack in hots? what's the point? lol

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 08:08 GMT

#4073

On December 14 2012 13:19 yeohong wrote:
hmm. won't let me download. let me try again

why did you remove the replay link? it worked fine.

reposting it for later.

http://drop.sc/284214

ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

December 14 2012 08:11 GMT

#4074

EGIdrARC on HOTS ladder (plays protoss though) is a hacker. I'm pretty sure its Gerudo, ivansKi,

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 08:48 GMT

#4075

this tragic guy chose a fitting name.
tvt's are so revealing.

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 09:09 GMT

#4076

Hacker name:

RatzDeezer
Server: NA
League: master, 689 points, 122 wins / 100 losses
Description:

RatzDeezer (z, top right) vs YellOwSky (p, bot left) @ shakuras plateu

On December 13 2012 11:55 YellOwSky wrote:
@0:55 looks into fog of war
@1:30 looks into fog of war
@2:27 looks into fog of war
@2:38 sends all drone and lings cross spawn without scouting
@3:10 looks into fog of war, My nexus in his natural
@3:12 - 3:37 looks into for of war directly on my base the whole time
@4:12 looks into fog of war at his natural where my cannons are
@4:23 types out i cannon his expo without seeing anything.
RatZDeeze wrote: you just cannoned my expo.

RDGNight (p, bot left) vs RatzDeezer (p, top right) @ entombed valley

On December 11 2012 08:17 Nightshade_ wrote:
2 Gates in my base on a 4 player map, obvious maphack by the most obvious maphacker and cheater.

EDIT: I wasn't actually streaming, I said that as a joke because I know he's a stream cheater. you can check my stream for vods if you like, I haven't streamed in ages.

The fact that he was already on the way to my base without having the time to load my stream anyway is a dead giveaway anyway, please use your heads.

RatzDeezer (z, bot right) vs uWuMavvie (z, top left) @ antiga shipyard

@0:30 looks into fow at Mavvie's base.
@1:45 same as above. is 7 pooling.

Conclusions

blatant maphack, makes no attempt to hide it. looking into fow, guessing right spawns on 4 player map.

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 11:20 GMT

#4077

Hacker name:

Tragic
Server: NA
League: master, 1069 points, 96 wins / 92 losses
Description:

Tragic(t, top right) vs aigoo (p, bot left) @ daybreak le
note: had to reupload, seems like someone removed the initial rep

@4:56 hasn't scouting anything. is proxying a fact. starts up a bunker on top of his ramp as aigoo is moving up to pressure with zeal stalk.
@9:22 at this point he's teching up to reactored starport and getting +1. at the same time he's getting blueflame after making a techlab at the proxied fact (he already built a reactor there). either he's fooling around with this build, or he's silver/gold bad.
@11:07 first scouting is a scan. sees all the tech.
@11:20 aigoo pressures front with army, Tragic has camera in position when it enters his view. he has built another factory in his main, he's not using it. starts up his first 2 units from the starport.
@12:57 sends an scv to start a fourth cc at the third base. has no scouting intel still besides the scan in aigoo's main.
@15:54 is sending out a drop. at first he sends it toward were a cannon, an ht and some stalkers are, but changes it to a bit further north where nothing is protecting.
@16:44 is moving out. looks through fow at army.
@16:58 has been massing up hellions, sends all of them into third.
@18:29 after retreating to his nat, and losing his third he puts units in bunkers as aigoo is moving towards the nat. aigoo turns around and Tragic sends a third cc out to land at the third, where aigoos army was, without scouting.
@21:22 looks through FOW at aigoos army sitting at the eastern watchtower.
@22:38 after engaging and losing most of his units he retreats with the rest. aigoo decides to retreat with his army as well. tragic immediately sends his main cc to land at the fourth, where he had just lost his army to aigoos.
@23:40 drops aigoos fourth with no scouting info
@23:48 as aigoos army comes into vision at his newly landed fourth his camera pans to the edge of his vision where it appears.
@26:22 sends army to third without having no vision of aigoos army that just poked up the natural before moving around to strike the third.
@27:09 selescts his three ghost at the third and moves out with them, wihtout having any vision of aigoos army. aigoo is sending hts towards the third.
@27:40 sends his army back to the nat as aigoo is moving his army there. no vision.

never took a xelnaga tower, barely scanned only on tech once and maybe army one or twice.

Tragic(t, bot left) vs Jimmeh (t, top right) @ entombed valley

@6:03 blindly making turrets, j making a sp at the tech lab.
@6:32 scans his main revealing all the tech, he is already close to done with his second turret.
@8:30 has a banshee queued up after his raven, but cancels. j was also building a raven.
@11:42 scans j's front. j is moving out on the map with his army.
@12:32 earlier he lost a hellion at the watchtower, but it was positioned outside the LOSblockers, so all he saw was a banshee. starts positiononing his tanks outside his third with no intel of any approaching push, j is moving a force all around to the fourth.
@19:13 scans j's army.
@21:00 j moves out and kills the 3 o'clock expo, leaving his siege tanks and vikings there he moves his bio around to attack the fourth. Tragic has no vision of this, but unsieges and moves his entire army to the fourth.
@23:15 scans js army midmap.
@24:43 moves his entire army around the left side of the map and attacks into j's fourth and fifth. he's basically blind while doing this.
@25:38 has a cc floating away from his fifth towards the corner, wants to land it, at first he sends it to the corner base, but there's a marine waiting, so he tries the 8 o'clock base, but there's a marine there as well, so he gives up the endeavor. he had vision of neither.
@27:35 looks into fow at tanks moving towards him, sieges just as one of them comes into vision.
@28:21 blindly sends army cross map outside j's natural ramp where 3 starports are. clicks exactly at the spot they are.
@30:03 has his camera at choke outside the fourth where j's army is approaching. he has no vision of it. sieges a tank.
@31:08 blidnly sends hellions to the 11 o'clock base that j just took.
@31:31 redirects them to the 12 o'clock where a fresh batch of mules landed, before he sends them back up to the 11 o'clock.
@34:20 looks into fog of war on j's army.
@35:04 j is sending a pack of marauders around the left side of the map. tragic has his army midmap and has no vision of this. sends 4 tanks back to his fourth.
@39:53 is looking through fog of war at tanks, then does a perfect scan to the top left of the center of his screen beneath js air units.

Tragic(t, bot left) vs Jimmeh (t, top right) @ daybreak le

@7:11 after cancelling a low ground cc, he sits back at the nat with marines. does a perfect scan in the main revealing 1 gas and 1-1-1.
@10:32 as a banshee is moving across the map he starts up two turrets at the edge of his main, he already has one at the mineral line. he has no scouting intel besides the initial scan.
@13:47 scans Jims army, at his front.
@14:12 sends cc to land at third, also sends two marines along with it (unlike the previous game). jimmeh has a marine there.
@14:31 camera pans towards jims army just as he's intercepting it with his own.
@16:16 jim is moving towards Tragics natural ramp, Tragic has 3 medevacs and a handful of units behind Tragics army left behind from the previous scirmish. as Jim turns his army around and loads up for a drop into the main, Tragic immediately sends the units he had at his front to his main, looks through the FOW at drop, and shifts his focus from his natural front to the left behind units, sending the medevacs into the main and stimming the units towards Jims medevacs just as their shadows come into view.
@18:20 moves out to clear watchtower, and sees the tailend of Js army move to the north, sends his entire army towards the bottom side of the map.
@18:22 after a camera lock between his nat and third he scans jims third.
@18:26 jim turns his army back around towards tragics third, so does tragic.
@18:31 jim now has his focus on his own third and sieges up a tank there, just in this second a sensor tower finishes, simulaneously he evacuates the scv.
@19:34 is looking at his third as a drop comes in.
@21:50 j has a big bio army moving towards Tragics third, tragic starts up a bunker there and sends units to it.
@22:06 as j runs in tragic has his camera there.
@22:48 sends his army to the 12 o'clock expo that j has taken, floating his main cc. has no vision of it.
@23:58 moves his army from the third to the nat, j is moving around the bottom side of the map.
@24:36 stims all his marines at the ramp towards it as three marines run up, j is following with his army.
@25:10 sends two drops, one to the third and one to the midmap fourth of j.
@28:21 moves his army to the north of his fourth to intercept a bio ball from j, after scanning js tanks at the fourth.
@29:45 scans js army at the fourth.
@30:50 moves to the bottom towards the 4 o'clock, turns around just as j sieges up.
@31:01 moves back and blindly stims all of his army towards the fourth base.

Tragic(t, top right) vs GrBPaiN (z, bot left) @ daybreak le

@6:50 is building a starport, and a techlab next to the starport with the barracks. decides to build another techlab on the starport instead and starts a marauder, but starts a marine instead. Pain is going for a roach attack,
@8:50 after holding off the roach attack he starts a cc at the third. still hasn't scouted anything.
@9:24 is sending his hellions through the top side, but changes his mind and sends them to the watch tower instead, Pain has about 20 lings running towards it from the bottom side.
@17:30 first scan, right on Pains army.
@17:50 as Pain is attacking into him, he tries to split. his split consists of selecting his marines, stimming them three times and running away in a clump.

Conclusion:
horrible macro, is down about 20 scvs vs jimmeh in the game on entombed before any scirmishes happen, even though getting a faster third.
horrible micro, doesn't know how to split marines.
never ever takes the xel naga towers, only moves up to them to kill off something holding them. the only times he bothered to take them, his unit wasn't even within the LOS blockers, so he didn't get any vision.
never misses a scan, and often scans just before he does some blind army movement that wouldn't make sense even with the scan. like scanning jimmeh's fourth at antiga where the tanks and vikings were, before moving to the topside of the map to intercept his bio.
never ever any scouting besides the perfect scans, but blind army movement to counter his opponent.
i'd like some more reps of this guy just to be 100% sure, because being certain regarding maphacks when a player is trying to hide it is a bit tricky. however i'm pretty confident when i say this guy is using maphacks. especially the game on daybreak vs jimmeh was revealing.
as a side note, he also always calls out his opponents on maphacking. a recurring theme with maphackers.

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 11:27 GMT

#4078

Hacker name:

lllIIIIllllI
Server: NA
League: master, 615 points, 32 wins / 13 losses
Description:

lllIIIIllllI(p, top right) vs UiCarrot (z, top left) @ entombed valley

@8:27 autoprobe and impossible selection, not that Nexus(10308) is his main.
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replay littered with autoprobe productions and impossible selections.

On December 13 2012 16:17 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Just played a barcode who proxied outside my main without scouting on antiga. checked his match history and he's been winning a lot of pvps on 4 player maps by proxying.

http://drop.sc/283946

nunez

Norway4002 Posts

December 14 2012 11:31 GMT

#4079

@soujuuu there doesn't seem to be a hots cheating thread atm, but until hots is released or someone with beta access starts up a hots thread this thread is a good place to spread awareness about suspects.

JMDj

United States397 Posts

December 14 2012 21:10 GMT

#4080

I've played Tragic on NA a few times in the past week as well, every game he does the same barracks wall off cheese at my ramp. Watching the replays it's pretty obvious he is hacking. Every single time he scans its either literally directly over my army, no matter where it is, or it's always scanning some burrow banelings.

Never once does he scan somewhere where there aren't banelings, he somehow knows EXACTLY how many scans to use and exactly where to use them EVERY TIME he pushes out late game. I'll try to upload some replays from the games if I can find them.

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