Eight Korean eSports Association (KeSPA) Players to Participate in StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty Expo Tournament at Major League Gaming Spring Championship
MLG Releases Details for Premiere Event Taking Place Saturday, June 9 Beginning at 9pm PT
Major League Gaming (MLG), in cooperation with Blizzard Entertainment, International ESports Group (IEG), and the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA) is excited to announce the eight KeSPA players who will be attending the MLG Spring Championship in Anaheim from June 8-10 and participating in their first-ever StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty tournament in the United States.
The players were selected based on their outstanding performance and history in the prestigious KeSPA ProLeague and StarLeague. They represent seven of the eight KeSPA teams and include:
Players will be participating in the expo tournament beginning Saturday, June 9 at 9pm PT and continuing until approximately midnight. The competition will take place on the Main Stage and will be broadcast LIVE at www.majorleaguegaming.com/live.
In addition to the gameplay, the players will also participate in autograph sessions throughout the weekend. Spectator passes are available online, and fans not attending in person can upgrade to watch the expo match and the entire Spring Championship in HD, and also get access to additional StarCraft II streams and immediate HD VOD, by purchasing a pass here.
The Spring Championship, taking place at the Anaheim Convention Center in Anaheim, CA, is expected to be the largest Pro Circuit competition in the history of MLG. For more details about the event visit the event page.
edit: Fantasy's stats cannot be right though. 15 1st place, since 2003, that is very likely a mistake. His debut was far later and he normally gets second.
First off - this is so damn awesome - and second off - I'm sure this will get more people to throw money at MLG if they weren't doing so already. I don't know how you could put on a bigger and more entertaining special at this point
On May 25 2012 05:47 Archerylady wrote: They better improve quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is a separate tournament just for them (which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG). Doesn't sound like Kespa is ready to release their boys yet. Really wish they would let them join the open bracket and see what happens.
On May 25 2012 05:47 Archerylady wrote: They better improve quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is a separate tournament just for them (which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG). Doesn't sound like Kespa is ready to release their boys yet. Really wish they would let them join the open bracket and see what happens.
MLG has already said multiple times that the tournament will have time on main stage. Which means FREE stream for everybody. Why all the hate when you don't have all the details?
And i'm pretty sure neither KeSPA or the playeres themselves want to play in the "real" tournament before they feel they are ready. IMO this is the best for people who want to see them play, don't let them be humiliated because they were rushed into playing official SC2.
Wow, looking at jaedong's and flash's wins, it looks weird that flash was given bonjwa title and not jaedong, since they were over about the same amount of time as well. I guess it depends what tournament they won though
On May 25 2012 05:47 Archerylady wrote: They better improve quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is a separate tournament just for them (which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG). Doesn't sound like Kespa is ready to release their boys yet. Really wish they would let them join the open bracket and see what happens.
MLG has already said multiple times that the tournament will have time on main stage. Which means FREE stream for everybody. Why all the hate when you don't have all the details?
Don't see where the hate is? I would just rather see them in the Open Bracket so we get a decent idea on how good they are. If being on the main stage automatically means free, then good.
TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY, here, I don't want it.... just....... WHY can't I be there in person, whyyyyy!?!
It breaks my heart that the majority of the people who have the priviledge to go there and see these guys in person, aren't interested, knoledgable, or passionate in the least for them. Goddam, each and every one of these players (even the first two) are worth travelling across 1/2 of the US just to have the off chance of seeing and fanboy over. Serious, AAAAH, this blows my mind, our my BW heroes actually coming to life by making their bodies approachable on US/foreign soil. I will be VERY dissapointed if they don't get absolutely showered with fandom. You guys had better not dissapoint, cause if I was there, fuck, I'd BRING IT. ^^ make us proud Anaheim-goers, show respect to your elders!
Is there a reason why leta is the only one with his name westernized? (신상문 shin sang-moon)
also soulkey wasn't in proleague in 2008
edit- in addition to soulkey, listing dream league accomplishments makes me sad. Would rather have seen something like "most zerg wins in SK planet season 1" with jaedong, since that is true (both 12-6).
On May 25 2012 05:47 Archerylady wrote: They better improve quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is a separate tournament just for them (which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG). Doesn't sound like Kespa is ready to release their boys yet. Really wish they would let them join the open bracket and see what happens.
MLG has already said multiple times that the tournament will have time on main stage. Which means FREE stream for everybody. Why all the hate when you don't have all the details?
Don't see where the hate is? I would just rather see them in the Open Bracket so we get a decent idea on how good they are. If being on the main stage automatically means free, then good.
You said: "which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG" when MLG said 2 weeks ago that the tournament would be on main stage. That's some pretty MLG hate.
Also just look at them play? That's enough to see how good they are. The Open Bracket you would only see they results because their games wouldn't be featured on any stream because of the MLG tournament layout. And I doubt any of them would be good enough yet to get far enough in the open bracket to get on any stream.
On May 25 2012 05:47 Archerylady wrote: They better improve quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is a separate tournament just for them (which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG). Doesn't sound like Kespa is ready to release their boys yet. Really wish they would let them join the open bracket and see what happens.
MLG has already said multiple times that the tournament will have time on main stage. Which means FREE stream for everybody. Why all the hate when you don't have all the details?
Don't see where the hate is? I would just rather see them in the Open Bracket so we get a decent idea on how good they are. If being on the main stage automatically means free, then good.
You said: "which could also mean PPV only knowing MLG" when MLG said 2 weeks ago that the tournament would be on main stage. That's some pretty MLG hate.
Also just look at them play? That's enough to see how good they are. The Open Bracket you would only see they results because their games wouldn't be featured on any stream because of the MLG tournament layout. And I doubt any of them would be good enough yet to get far enough in the open bracket to get on any stream.
No it isn't. I don't know why I would be hating as a buy of their PPV. Try again.
And they could do both. I believe there are other tournaments going on outside of the main one.
This is seriously huge. They will either crush face or get crushed, and regardless it's going to be good. They might get motivated to practice before the tournament, and if they don't, they'll be motivated as hell once they get crushed in front of the huge foreign scene. Real cool stuff, great move by MLG to bring the SC scene together.
On May 25 2012 06:11 Steel wrote: This is seriously huge. They will either crush face or get crushed, and regardless it's going to be good. They might get motivated to practice before the tournament, and if they don't, they'll be motivated as hell once they get crushed in front of the huge foreign scene. Real cool stuff, great move by MLG to bring the SC scene together.
Get crushed by each other yeah. They aren't participating in the tournament but only in exhibition.
also will there be atleast a few showmatches of heart of the swarm on stage? since if there is not only the people who are actually going to the event/live in america will get to see what heart of the swarm looks like.
On May 25 2012 06:15 trinxified wrote: Hey MLG_Adam,
Will this be free to watch via stream?
Every match will be cast in this single elimination 8 man tournament. There will be multiple free streams for this event as well as first person POV for those that are on main stage (free)
On May 25 2012 06:15 trinxified wrote: Hey MLG_Adam,
Will this be free to watch via stream?
Every match will be cast in this single elimination 8 man tournament. There will be multiple free streams for this event as well as first person POV for those that are on main stage (free)
As a complete noob for BW, I only recognize Stork, Bisu, Jaedong, Fantasy, Leta and Flash. And having all them names participating in MLG, I'm expecting MLG to be the benchmark of "Are SC1 players going to dominated SC2", not SPL.
So far, SC1 players have shown pathetic games so hopefully they can step it up a little.
Typing is proving to be a lot easier than trying to verbalize my excitement. This is unreal. I never thought I would actually see these guys live.
Also, I'm holding MLG liable for my medical bills from this point forward. I seem to have come down with some sort of affliction that is causing me to hop up and down in my seat uncontrollably and indefinitely.
Edit: Hoping we get some proper chants going for player names and not their IDs.
I'm glad my ex-friend fucked me over, because I was originally going to go to EVO in Vegas this July, but wound up changing plans to Anaheim and it turns out that may have been one of the most serendipitous things that could have happened.
could they also be playing in the open bracket of the real tournament? I mean, i guess it would be worth a shot if you are flash^^, though if the two tourneys are at the same time there is no possibility for them to play,
On May 25 2012 06:23 Regime wrote: cant wait for flash bisu fantasy jaedong and stork to be smashed and mashed into the ground by MC MKP NESTEA SEPHANO AND MVP for now anyway
They aren't playing with those guys... They have their own tournament.
GOD is coming! i really hope they all show better games than the ones that they have been showing in the Proleague but still super excited! I mean GSL code S players plus good Foreigners and BW pros?!?! omg
a dream comes true! well done MLG! from what ive seen, they really have to improve! (sounds weird, speaking about jd, flash, bisu...) but this event collides with the european soccer championship... :-(
I feel bad for Kespa players. They have so much pressure and such high expectations on their shoulders, yet are given no time whatsoever to improve and learn the game. Hoping to see good games from them though, still pretty exciting.
Omg, sick, flash and bisu along with jeadong its cool to see these sc1 pros aproch sc2 and im pumped to see how the game gonna develop with the recent patch
Kind of slack on enumerating the actual achievements of these players and the different ways in which they excel (Flash 3OSL 3MSL vs stork having infinite OSL appearances). For instance, Jaedong's 11 "first place finishes" (I don't even know what this means) apparently dwarfs Calm's MSL win, but at least now we know exactly what Calm won. Also, why is Leta's name backwards?
remind me why everyone wants to watch a bunch of high masters players losing to people who are good at sc2? on the plus side, idra might actually get some wins this way, so at least someone will be happy
THIS ROSTER Scenario 1: Soulkey minrolls to a victory. EPIC Scenario 2: Brain Zerg wins it. EPIC Scenario 3: Stork uses bird power for teh win. EPIC Scenario 4: Flash... gods his way to the trophy. EPIC Scenario 5: Leta dresses up. EPIC Scenario 6: Bisu wins with penix. EPIC Scenario 7: Fantasy happens. EPIC Scenario 8: LEE JAE DOOOOOONG EPIC ZOMG
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
On May 25 2012 06:35 halfies wrote: remind me why everyone wants to watch a bunch of high masters players losing to people who are good at sc2? on the plus side, idra might actually get some wins this way, so at least someone will be happy
On May 23 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: The MLG-Kespa partnership and MLG being basically the international agent for all KESPA's players could also reinforce those problems. In Bisu's interview, he say he didn't even knew he had to play a sc2 tournament at the next MLG >< It shocked me, but perhaps I misunderstood.
I completely forgot about that but yeah I read that interview. God the last thing these guys need right now is to be paraded around as fucking show pieces whenever mlg wants them or a foreign tournament talks mlg/kespa into it. As much as several players have expressed an interest in getting to travel and enjoy new fans it really need to be on their terms and when they are comfortable with it. God this is possibly going to suck even harder than it already does.
Although this is awesome, I feel its a poor time when they have so much on their plate already. Have to worry about BW, SC2, lack of practice, jetlag, possiblitiy of showing poor exhibition, and have to put up a fake smile to the crowd and press when everything is piled on their shoulders.
I expect the tournament to be quite the letdown considering the skill level being demonstrated in ProLeague atm, but it will be fantastic to see the players getting some exposure in the scene since most of them have been 'mythical figures' to most of us for so long.
Hopefully they'll also take the time to watch some of the pro games and learn from them. Could help them transition a bit quicker if they study the absolute best in action
On May 25 2012 06:35 halfies wrote: remind me why everyone wants to watch a bunch of high masters players losing to people who are good at sc2? on the plus side, idra might actually get some wins this way, so at least someone will be happy
On May 25 2012 06:35 MLG_Lee wrote: Was a pretty close call on Effort vs Leta.
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
what was the deciding factor? if it was race balance then leta makes it 4 T 2 P 2 Z since clam plays T in sc2
On May 25 2012 06:35 MLG_Lee wrote: Was a pretty close call on Effort vs Leta.
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
On May 25 2012 06:35 MLG_Lee wrote: Was a pretty close call on Effort vs Leta.
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
plz get Janbi and effort next time.
Yeah I'd rather see Jangbi than the two abovementioned
On May 23 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: The MLG-Kespa partnership and MLG being basically the international agent for all KESPA's players could also reinforce those problems. In Bisu's interview, he say he didn't even knew he had to play a sc2 tournament at the next MLG >< It shocked me, but perhaps I misunderstood.
I completely forgot about that but yeah I read that interview. God the last thing these guys need right now is to be paraded around as fucking show pieces whenever mlg wants them or a foreign tournament talks mlg/kespa into it. As much as several players have expressed an interest in getting to travel and enjoy new fans it really need to be on their terms and when they are comfortable with it. God this is possibly going to suck even harder than it already does.
Although this is awesome, I feel its a poor time when they have so much on their plate already. Have to worry about BW, SC2, lack of practice, jetlag, possiblitiy of showing poor exhibition, and have to put up a fake smile to the crowd and press when everything is piled on their shoulders.
I think Bisu was only saying that because he did not to reveal anything since the interview is quite old and the player list wasnt released yet.
So, as this isn't a lame pay-per-view arena - is all MLG content going to be free? Will this be on a separate stream that is run simultaneously to the main event? And if so will it be available to all?
Guys, we need to go absolutely NUTS over this. Like, the most hyped we've been since BoxeR's first trip to MLG.
This is FANTASTIC. Even if they're still behind where the GSL guys (and maybe foreigners?) are at, these guys deserve our UTMOST respect and fandom.
We owe it to them, and to the BW fans who could only dream of seeing these players all at once at a north american event. (Although I think they may have come to a blizzcon? Some of them at least. But that will be NOTHING compared to this I think in terms of hype).
On May 25 2012 06:45 resilve wrote: So, as this isn't a lame pay-per-view arena - is all MLG content going to be free? Will this be on a separate stream that is run simultaneously to the main event? And if so will it be available to all?
To m the article suggests this is PPV? If I'm wrong please correct me but if it is indeed PPV pretty poor effort from MLG.
On May 25 2012 06:46 Krogan wrote: Wake me up when they are good enough to play in a real tournament.
There are spots held for them in the open bracket, and I can assume MLG will encourage them to enter if the players want to. I don't really see how anyone would want to force them into the SC2 scene like this though, it's good they have the option but don't make them play in an MLG if they don't feel ready.
On May 25 2012 06:41 0neder wrote: Oh em gee. I'm a closet fan, but it's pretty tempting to go see them so close.
Guys, we better show up in droves, if nothing else to thank them for their BW careers.
YES
PS : This is an awesome birthday present for me, even if I won't be there to see it. One thing though Adam (I presume you'll read this): we love our players, we as fans don't want to demand things of them that would be bad for them and hurt them. That means, as much as we love seeing our heroes on foreign soil, I would much rather they have peace of mind and spirit rather than being dragged around. Please please please make these things happen, but not at the expense of too much stress and pain for our Progamers, us fans don't want to be the death of them by demanding too much. That means, please plan it way ahead of time (through Kespa) with their pro-teams so that it isn't a last minute stress and scheduling nightmare!
On May 25 2012 06:45 resilve wrote: So, as this isn't a lame pay-per-view arena - is all MLG content going to be free? Will this be on a separate stream that is run simultaneously to the main event? And if so will it be available to all?
To m the article suggests this is PPV? If I'm wrong please correct me but if it is indeed PPV pretty poor effort from MLG.
A confirmation whether or not this tournament is PPV or not would be highly appreciated.
On May 25 2012 06:46 Krogan wrote: Wake me up when they are good enough to play in a real tournament.
Wake up already then, they're OSL and MSL champions. Nothing against MLG, but you're comparing OSL/MSL to a tournament that has platinum league people play in it -_-
On May 25 2012 06:35 MLG_Lee wrote: Was a pretty close call on Effort vs Leta.
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
what was the deciding factor? if it was race balance then leta makes it 4 T 2 P 2 Z since clam plays T in sc2
each team got a single player to repesent. Airforce was not able to attend (due to military travel restrictions) so the extra invite went to Bisu/Fantasy.
On May 25 2012 06:45 resilve wrote: So, as this isn't a lame pay-per-view arena - is all MLG content going to be free? Will this be on a separate stream that is run simultaneously to the main event? And if so will it be available to all?
To m the article suggests this is PPV? If I'm wrong please correct me but if it is indeed PPV pretty poor effort from MLG.
A confirmation whether or not this tournament is PPV or not would be highly appreciated.
HD costs you (or attend a barcraft!) but regular stream is free. (I hope... I swear to god if that's not the case I'm gonna be so disappointed in MLG, even though I bought the season's pass already so I'm safe)
Edit: but don't get me wrong I am SO FUCKING STOKED for this.
It's really sick to see them aboard of korea but i'm not pumped at all by the tournament who will be a demonstration of their weakness above all. in a game they just being to play.
Not so exciting after watching them in Proleague to be honest, they have a lot of catching up to do. Good for getting autographs for people who go though.
On May 25 2012 06:45 resilve wrote: So, as this isn't a lame pay-per-view arena - is all MLG content going to be free? Will this be on a separate stream that is run simultaneously to the main event? And if so will it be available to all?
To m the article suggests this is PPV? If I'm wrong please correct me but if it is indeed PPV pretty poor effort from MLG.
A confirmation whether or not this tournament is PPV or not would be highly appreciated.
HD costs you (or attend a barcraft!) but regular stream is free. (I hope... I swear to god if that's not the case I'm gonna be so disappointed in MLG, even though I bought the season's pass already so I'm safe)
I am a Gold Member so I already have access to the entire event in HD, still interested in knowing if it is PPV or not.
Edit: Two free streams confirmed after asking on Twitter.
On May 25 2012 06:46 Krogan wrote: Wake me up when they are good enough to play in a real tournament.
Wake up already then, they're OSL and MSL champions. Nothing against MLG, but you're comparing OSL/MSL to a tournament that has platinum league people play in it -_-
That used to have platinum level players that could sign up for the open bracket, that now sells out competitor badges neigh instantly, and has a massive volume of pro players, both foreigner and korea. Don't discount MLG (And I am not discounting OSL or MSL, obviously the list of players there are top caliber BW players).
After watching some proleague, I'm not as excited as I was to watch them play sc2, but it's still awesome, and I hope they do enter the open bracket so we can see where they stack up.
would be cool if one would have the courage to try out the real tournament at mlg (not that they are allowed to anyway), nevertheless will be as funny as the current sc2 kespa games. Games look like with mechanics on far above grandmaster level with a decision making level of silver level. Which makes these games so unique to see, since this is probably the last time this will be happening.
Eh I understand the hype/excitement but quite frankly non of these players are any good yet. They have an amazing background but they haven't been playing sc2 long enough to really provide that great of games.
Ahahahaha, such a fucking epic lineup. MLG can't come soon enough, so excited for Fantasy and Leta, wish I could be there but I'm on the other side of the country
Without having seen Calm/Stork/Bisu in SC2 yet, my money is on Leta. If they chose Leta over Effort, I'm thinking it's not just for name value, because Effort is arguably the bigger name/more famous player between the 2. Also, given how solid Effort looked, if Leta is better than that I don't think he's going to lose.
Then again, Effort might have just declined and Leta was next up.
Edit: Wait, has Leta played SC2 yet in PL? I'm blanking.
On May 25 2012 07:16 Ryuu314 wrote: ...i haven't followed SC2 proscene for a long time...but i think i'm gonna have to buy the ppv pass now
anyone know what races they'll be playing?
If I'm not mistaken, they all play the same race as they do in BW. There were some rumors about Fantasy switching to zerg, and Bisu to Terran but afaik they have decided to stay with their respective races.
On May 25 2012 07:05 DrunkeN. wrote: Tell me when they are playing in a REAL tournament. AKA the MLG Championship.
They have their pride. Probably won't happen until they stop playing BW and a few months after that. I just can't see how you can play both games at the very highest level no matter how much of a beast you are.
On May 25 2012 07:16 Ryuu314 wrote: ...i haven't followed SC2 proscene for a long time...but i think i'm gonna have to buy the ppv pass now
anyone know what races they'll be playing?
If I'm not mistaken, they all play the same race as they do in BW. There were some rumors about Fantasy switching to zerg, and Bisu to Terran but afaik they have decided to stay with their respective races.
This would be awesome, if they were playing the game they excel in. They have their star power, so watching a Flash Bisu Sotkr Jaedong Fantasy team play HoN would be fun. But just for 1 or 2 games.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
Insane. Just plain insane. I do hope they will show up at DH some time in the future, just the thougth of meeting the likes of Stork and JaeDong makes me all weak in my knees.
Omg this is gonna be great! I've seen a few of these guys play SC2 but it's hard looking through the VOD's to find their games from Proleague if you missed it live. And I doubt many of these big name players have played against each other yet anway.
Bisu recently said in an interview that he didn't even know he had to play when he goes to MLG. Also felt as if they aren't very confortable with playing SC2 rightnow because of their current skill and knowledge of the game is too shallow.
Question: will the stream of their games be free to watch?
I wish they could play a couple broodwar show matches on the big stage. Having some good ex-broodwar players/commentators guiding the non-broodwar fans along could really help demonstrate why it's so exciting to see these guys switching over.
As it stands, the majority of people there will just be seeing some guys they keep hearing about(but don't care about) play some bad SC2.
On May 25 2012 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: I wish they could play a couple broodwar show matches on the big stage. Having some good ex-broodwar players/commentators guiding the non-broodwar fans along could really help demonstrate why it's so exciting to see these guys switching over.
As it stands, the majority of people there will just be seeing some guys they keep hearing about(but don't care about) play some bad SC2.
I think you're underestimating the fans. I've never watched or followed BW, but if they put these guys up on stage and I was there I would be cheering. The hatred you see between SC2 and BW at times on these forums is nothing but drama for the sake of drama.
(I've got nothing against showing a BW match, but I couldn't tell a high level one from a low level one. A few games wouldn't be enough to explain the game fully and I'd probably tune out.)
On May 25 2012 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: I wish they could play a couple broodwar show matches on the big stage. Having some good ex-broodwar players/commentators guiding the non-broodwar fans along could really help demonstrate why it's so exciting to see these guys switching over.
As it stands, the majority of people there will just be seeing some guys they keep hearing about(but don't care about) play some bad SC2.
Most people responded very favorably to watching huk vs boxer in BW when IPL 3 had technical issues
Wouldn't it be nice if the RTS/ARTS community played a bit nicer, we could see something similar to the fighting game company where so many games get played and enjoyed
On May 25 2012 07:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I apologize for jizzing everywhere.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
No, they would not. Did you see them play in the PL?
I'm curious what the reaction is, considering many SC2 fans aren't too familiar with the BW scene; if this mini tournament is a farce, it could hurt MLG's basic strategy of hyping these players. I can just imagine JP hailing Flash as "the greatest RTS player of all time" before he loses to a simple 4 gate.
I doubt Kespa will allow the players to enter the open bracket. This is about image over talent right now, and will be until the players improve; that may take months. If this was being held in September sure, they'd be ready to play some good games. But right now? Nah
On May 25 2012 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: I wish they could play a couple broodwar show matches on the big stage. Having some good ex-broodwar players/commentators guiding the non-broodwar fans along could really help demonstrate why it's so exciting to see these guys switching over.
As it stands, the majority of people there will just be seeing some guys they keep hearing about(but don't care about) play some bad SC2.
So I'm assuming July for the Spring Championships, how does that fit into the OSL Proleague schedule, will they be over by that time? Hoping they have enough time to show some good games. Oh, and SICK lineup.
On May 25 2012 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: I wish they could play a couple broodwar show matches on the big stage. Having some good ex-broodwar players/commentators guiding the non-broodwar fans along could really help demonstrate why it's so exciting to see these guys switching over.
As it stands, the majority of people there will just be seeing some guys they keep hearing about(but don't care about) play some bad SC2.
Most people responded very favorably to watching huk vs boxer in BW when IPL 3 had technical issues
Wouldn't it be nice if the RTS/ARTS community played a bit nicer, we could see something similar to the fighting game company where so many games get played and enjoyed
hd uploaded some bw casts a few months ago and Jaedong v Flash got 230,606 views. So I don't think the assumption that the sc2 audience would hate a broodwar cast by their favourite commentators is true at all.
Sc2bw would also be a really cool thing to play. I still think having them play sc2 is a bad idea because the first impression of them to a lot of people could be them looking bad. First impressions are important!
meh =/ Seems more like a publicity stunt, they are still far away from the current sc2 pros skill level. On top of that, they will all miss proleague and what is more important, practice time for OSL (i.e. SK; Fantasy, Flash, Stork). Should have used 4 other players from their respective teams. Well, I guess it will be nice for the fans in NA.
On May 25 2012 07:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I apologize for jizzing everywhere.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
No, they would not. Did you see them play in the PL?
I'm curious what the reaction is, considering many SC2 fans aren't too familiar with the BW scene; if this mini tournament is a farce, it could hurt MLG's basic strategy of hyping these players. I can just imagine JP hailing Flash as "the greatest RTS player of all time" before he loses to a simple 4 gate.
I doubt Kespa will allow the players to enter the open bracket. This is about image over talent right now, and will be until the players improve; that may take months. If this was being held in September sure, they'd be ready to play some good games. But right now? Nah
It's already been said that they would be playing in a mini-tournament as exhibition.
Alright, look at the quality of play at an MLG. Sure there's a bunch of NA pros and a scattering of Koreans Europeans who ultimately make up most of the groups, brackets, seeds whatever. However, there's also Jimmy Plat League and Peter Mid-Masters in the open brackets. Sometimes, they sneak into the group stages because they avoid any sharks in the open bracket. Do they go farther? I don't actually know if an unknown player actually ever made it to brackets, but heck, there are some (former) no-namers who do pretty well.
However, I would argue that these guys are a bit better than those guys. Most of them are already in Masters, and a few are even GM in Korea, which says they must be pretty decent already- probably on par with your run-of-the-mill NA "pro". Sure, they don't have any SC2 tourney experience yet, so that plays negatively. Still in pure skill, they are from from being scrubs.
Yes, I watched them play in PL. Yes, some of them made embarrassingly bad mistakes *coughJDcough*. Still, it wasn't that bad.
As someone who skipped broodwar (competetivly) I still am hyped about seeing these players develop. I still remember from the WC3 days people talked about them switching over and them dominating the scene, but it never really happened. I think it is smart for them to be left out of the main competition however. Much of the hype would die if none of them even made it out of the open bracket especially vs some random masters players.
So I know MLG has confirmed 2 free streams for this, and have confirmed first person views would be be free. Assuming each player has a first person stream, does that mean the casted stream for this is not free, despite being main stage? It'd be nice if MLG just simply stated if the casted stream is free or not, rather than dancing around technicalities. (And please don't misinterpret, I'm not complaining about if it is PPV or not for the casted stream, rather not being direct in their clarifications.)
OH SHIT. I'm actually going to watch this MLG, purely for my boy Soulkey! Awesome to see the other superstars coming over as well, they made great choices with who they brought over.
to all of you that can be at the event: give them ALL your love or I will hunt you down with my level 60 hardcore munk. ...and ye. give a hug from me to Stork plz <3
btw: DO NOT TALK ABOUT HOW GOOD THEY ARE. Irrelevant right now. Only give them the best welcome ever.
Ok, I only read a few pages and I don't pretend to know the layout of the tourney.. but why not throw them in the open bracket? man, that'd be so damn sweet.. who wouldn't pay for that? maybe if they genuinely don't want to and would turn down the open bracket offer.. why not see what happens, just for fun.. epic, right?
MLG could've done at least some basic research and got their records right...
Soulkey somehow got a record of 67-25 the year BEFORE he had the most wins in the B-League 2009...
Boosting Fantasy and Bisu's win records with STX Masters team wins as well as other team stuff... To anyone new to BW it looks like Fantasy has been really dominant (from 2003 onwards LOL) with 15 wins when the majority of those aren't individual/actual titles. How the hell do you give a guy who's won 1 starleague 15 first place finishes?? Have they somehow merged him with Boxer and Oov and got him debuting 4 or so years before he actually did. edit: ok maybe it's nada, still I don't get how you confuse Fantasy and Nada
Considering the quality of the sc2 games from BW pros this far I do not believe I will miss much, though I would like there were a free stream just to see them, them being who they are.
i never been into competitive brood war so i dont know anyone of them but i sincerly hope none of them get into top 10 it would be a straight up punch into all the "sc2 players are no skiller wait for the BW pros" trolls faces. but well see maybe sc2 will get a bonjwa within the next months and one of them gonna rule the world ^^
They aren't going in the open bracket because they aren't good yet, and they won't be good in time for MLG either. People who are excited to see top level sc2 played in this 8 man tournament are going to be disappointed.
On May 25 2012 07:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I apologize for jizzing everywhere.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
No, they would not. Did you see them play in the PL?
I'm curious what the reaction is, considering many SC2 fans aren't too familiar with the BW scene; if this mini tournament is a farce, it could hurt MLG's basic strategy of hyping these players. I can just imagine JP hailing Flash as "the greatest RTS player of all time" before he loses to a simple 4 gate.
I doubt Kespa will allow the players to enter the open bracket. This is about image over talent right now, and will be until the players improve; that may take months. If this was being held in September sure, they'd be ready to play some good games. But right now? Nah
It's already been said that they would be playing in a mini-tournament as exhibition.
Alright, look at the quality of play at an MLG. Sure there's a bunch of NA pros and a scattering of Koreans Europeans who ultimately make up most of the groups, brackets, seeds whatever. However, there's also Jimmy Plat League and Peter Mid-Masters in the open brackets. Sometimes, they sneak into the group stages because they avoid any sharks in the open bracket. Do they go farther? I don't actually know if an unknown player actually ever made it to brackets, but heck, there are some (former) no-namers who do pretty well.
However, I would argue that these guys are a bit better than those guys. Most of them are already in Masters, and a few are even GM in Korea, which says they must be pretty decent already- probably on par with your run-of-the-mill NA "pro". Sure, they don't have any SC2 tourney experience yet, so that plays negatively. Still in pure skill, they are from from being scrubs.
Yes, I watched them play in PL. Yes, some of them made embarrassingly bad mistakes *coughJDcough*. Still, it wasn't that bad.
You actually don't have a single fucking clue what you're saying about the MLG open bracket. Getting to groups as mid-master? ...........................................................................................................
On May 25 2012 07:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I apologize for jizzing everywhere.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
No, they would not. Did you see them play in the PL?
I'm curious what the reaction is, considering many SC2 fans aren't too familiar with the BW scene; if this mini tournament is a farce, it could hurt MLG's basic strategy of hyping these players. I can just imagine JP hailing Flash as "the greatest RTS player of all time" before he loses to a simple 4 gate.
I doubt Kespa will allow the players to enter the open bracket. This is about image over talent right now, and will be until the players improve; that may take months. If this was being held in September sure, they'd be ready to play some good games. But right now? Nah
It's already been said that they would be playing in a mini-tournament as exhibition.
Alright, look at the quality of play at an MLG. Sure there's a bunch of NA pros and a scattering of Koreans Europeans who ultimately make up most of the groups, brackets, seeds whatever. However, there's also Jimmy Plat League and Peter Mid-Masters in the open brackets. Sometimes, they sneak into the group stages because they avoid any sharks in the open bracket. Do they go farther? I don't actually know if an unknown player actually ever made it to brackets, but heck, there are some (former) no-namers who do pretty well.
However, I would argue that these guys are a bit better than those guys. Most of them are already in Masters, and a few are even GM in Korea, which says they must be pretty decent already- probably on par with your run-of-the-mill NA "pro". Sure, they don't have any SC2 tourney experience yet, so that plays negatively. Still in pure skill, they are from from being scrubs.
Yes, I watched them play in PL. Yes, some of them made embarrassingly bad mistakes *coughJDcough*. Still, it wasn't that bad.
You actually don't have a single fucking clue what you're saying about the MLG open bracket. Getting to groups as mid-master? ...........................................................................................................
Some people make it to round 5 by walk overs then get DQ'ed by bad refs tho D: .. XD
Seriously though, yeah... Getting to groups midmaster not happening. Just look at scarlet's tournament run. Knocking out very well known KOREAN players into lower bracket in very early rounds. >< Mid masters is practically free wins for all the other players.
edit: I'd donate my legs to someone to be able to practice with Bisu. I seriously wish I could go to anaheim. makes me so sad Q_Q
Damn, used to live in San Francisco, could've had an 8 hour drive to Anaheim to attend....now I'm on the other side of the world wishing I was there T_T
TaekBangLeeSsang in the flesh at MLG....fuck I'm crying a river of nerd tears T_T
EPIC! Maybe the games won´t be topnotch, but I couldn´t care less, because i know who is playing It´s like watching celebrities doing a car race against each other: You just have fun watching, no matter what!
On May 25 2012 07:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I apologize for jizzing everywhere.
I would argue that most of them *could* compete in a MLG. I doubt any of them would win, but at least a few would manage to get into the brackets I think.
No, they would not. Did you see them play in the PL?
I'm curious what the reaction is, considering many SC2 fans aren't too familiar with the BW scene; if this mini tournament is a farce, it could hurt MLG's basic strategy of hyping these players. I can just imagine JP hailing Flash as "the greatest RTS player of all time" before he loses to a simple 4 gate.
I doubt Kespa will allow the players to enter the open bracket. This is about image over talent right now, and will be until the players improve; that may take months. If this was being held in September sure, they'd be ready to play some good games. But right now? Nah
It's already been said that they would be playing in a mini-tournament as exhibition.
Alright, look at the quality of play at an MLG. Sure there's a bunch of NA pros and a scattering of Koreans Europeans who ultimately make up most of the groups, brackets, seeds whatever. However, there's also Jimmy Plat League and Peter Mid-Masters in the open brackets. Sometimes, they sneak into the group stages because they avoid any sharks in the open bracket. Do they go farther? I don't actually know if an unknown player actually ever made it to brackets, but heck, there are some (former) no-namers who do pretty well.
However, I would argue that these guys are a bit better than those guys. Most of them are already in Masters, and a few are even GM in Korea, which says they must be pretty decent already- probably on par with your run-of-the-mill NA "pro". Sure, they don't have any SC2 tourney experience yet, so that plays negatively. Still in pure skill, they are from from being scrubs.
Yes, I watched them play in PL. Yes, some of them made embarrassingly bad mistakes *coughJDcough*. Still, it wasn't that bad.
You actually don't have a single fucking clue what you're saying about the MLG open bracket. Getting to groups as mid-master? ...........................................................................................................
I'm saying that all sorts of people sign up for open brackets. You've been to open brackets right? In addition to getting smashed by a pro, you've probably played some guy who you think just wasted their money. But, sometimes they do well. They get lucky. Their favored pro opponent gets DQ'd for arriving late. Shit happens.
I'm using the term Mid-Master here jokingly. People always like to say low/mid/mid-high/high/top x, y, z master. There's 200 GM in the NA, and I doubt every single player is GM anyways.
It doesn't even matter if my example is shit. I'll admit my knowledge of MLG OB is pretty shit. Still, I think my point still stands. BW pros have shown that they're at least good as any NA pro on ladder, and the more I think about it, the more I believe they could bash their way through there.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
I wish mlg released more information about what they are going to do with our bw pro gamers instead of just releasing a list of professional bw names . Will they be playing only with themselves ? or participating with sc2 pro gamers ?
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
Too bad Effort isn't going ;-;. Hopefully Leta is worthwhile :3
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
On May 25 2012 10:43 Sawamura wrote: I wish mlg released more information about what they are going to do with our bw pro gamers instead of just releasing a list of professional bw names . Will they be playing only with themselves ? or participating with sc2 pro gamers ?
I think MLG said something earlier about it being an exhibition tournament between the BW pros. It wouldn't make sense to throw in an SC2 pro and have him thrash them - unless it was Boxer, because that would be awesome.
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
Hyun got into Code A 5 months after he began playing SC2. This is just for shits, giggles and of course drooling over such legendary layers that are starting to get into our game
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
i cant tell if you're serious
haha yea if only time translate into skill. although if they are this good with a month of practice. i can see them improving quickly.
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
This is good, but somewhat bad too..good is that, we will get to see these greats in action in english commentary...bad thing is...they are still learning the new sc2 game and might get roflstomped at MLG...anyways hope for the best.. Definetely will watch this one
I hope they show some BW games with english casting, that would really be something nice.
For their SC2 games i'm really not that excited, im going to tune in and watch to see but my expectations are not that high >< In another few months I'm sure they'll be great though.
Honestly, how long is this month talk is going to go on?? I heard these BW Gods were playing sc2 for a month...... 2 months ago. I swear by the end summer, people will still say give them time, they only been playing for a month.
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
yeah this only works if time stops.
Bitch please its Jeaeodn and Flash and Bisu and Stork and so on playin SC2 on MLG, can tell you for sure one at least one o the bw gods will be in top 3 MLG wanna bet on this ? 100 bucks got balls ?
I guess Air Force ACE being a military team prevents them from sending any player. Would have been fun to see some new FBH ceremonies. But I guess he must behave well as a member of the military, oh well.
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
yeah this only works if time stops.
Bitch please its Jeaeodn and Flash and Bisu and Stork and so on playin SC2 on MLG, can tell you for sure one at least one o the bw gods will be in top 3 MLG wanna bet on this ? 100 bucks got balls ?
Which MLG? In the future quite possibly yes, that is not "for sure" but very possible. This MLG? No.. They are not even playing in it if you read the article, just this exhibition tournament amongst the 8 of them... No exBW vs SC2 pros.
On May 25 2012 11:45 GTR wrote: fantasy 15 1st places what?
Yeah, on second thought, what are those 1st/2nd/3rd places? Kespa rankings? No way Fantasy has 15 if so o_o
Well the word "finish" implies that tournaments of some sort were involved... I would hope... ??? Who made that chart? Also, Soulkey's listed accomplishment is his Dream League record from years ago? And not the fact he's the best (BW) zerg this year (Crazy-Hydra pending)?
On May 25 2012 11:45 GTR wrote: fantasy 15 1st places what?
Yeah, on second thought, what are those 1st/2nd/3rd places? Kespa rankings? No way Fantasy has 15 if so o_o
Well the word "finish" implies that tournaments of some sort were involved... I would hope... ??? Who made that chart? Also, Soulkey's listed accomplishment is his Dream League record from years ago? And not the fact he's the best (BW) zerg this year (Crazy-Hydra pending)?
I guess, I assumed it was tournament wins at first but then I thought about finishing a period ranked (i.e. tennis, golf, or any ranked sport that has a points race, finishing 1/2/3). More realistically *maybe* they just compiled all of their tournament wins big and small? Yeah this chart looks fishy.
Cool lineup, I wanted to see Effort on that list though can't really complain though.
On May 25 2012 07:13 jpak wrote:
Where are they getting these info from? Directly from Kespa itself?
Because I am pretty sure that Flash does not have 10 1st place finishes or Jaedong 11.
I'm really confused by these stats.
It seems like MLG thinks iloveoov is Fantasy's aka rather than coach. Fantasy's first game was in 2007.
I dunno what a first place finish is. It should be tallied on OSL/MSL/GSL golds/silvers and WCG wins. Even if you tallied them up, I dunno if it still reaches 10, it might for Jaedong/Flash only.
I thought Bisu had the proleague win record, dream league doesn't mean a lot, its like a rookie league.
Stork's 100 OSL wins is probably more significant than Leta's 100 PL wins.
Jaedong should probably be noted for his "royal road" into OSL gold.
Flash should probably be noted for being the youngest OSL winner at 15 years old.
EDIT: It looks like the info came from the TLPD, a lot of the wins come from minor leagues like WCG and invitationals.
In BW its best to just tally up OSL and MSL golds/silvers as they are the only medals that are relevant. I know in SC2 they like to hype up the players by listing a lot of minor league wins, but in BW we only care about OSL/MSL and PL if its significant (like Bisu PL win record).
damn my only gripe is that effort isn't there lol this lineup is still sick
predictions stork 2nd (ez) fantasy having good bio control (ROFL JKJK though i am looking forward to fantasy vs clam in sc2 if it happens) clam shows up bigtime due to massive crowd leta is a master of 1-1-1 macro variations (where he can allin if he wishes but probably would use the early damage to take an economic lead) soulkey i have nothing for QQ flash gets 3rd (possible FvJ in sc2?) bisu/jd get either 1st or 4th
what i want to happen stork and jaedong to show up and just roflstomp everyone lol bisu vs stork (winner: stork) leta vs soulkey (winner: leta) jaedong vs flash (winner: jaedong) fantasy vs calm (winner: the viewers who die of laughter)
On May 25 2012 12:11 arvinds94 wrote: They are gonna get destroyed by Violet
KT_Violet is coming too?
He's referring to Empire.Violet, a Texas grown Korean Zerg that won Spring Arena 2. But the KesPa's players won't play in the main tournament so that's not possible to be seen
On May 25 2012 12:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm not excited to see my dual-gaming stressed out icons burn themselves out in the US at an SC2 event...
Indeed. I really hope these players actually WANT to be there rather than being forced to go. Because the timing is really weird given that Flash/Stork/Fantasy/Soulkey are still playing in the OSL in addition to the hybrid league. And these guys are going to be able to go wherever they want in the future anyway given the international participation.
And MLG's totally fucked up descriptions of these players' achievements is so depressing. I know for SC2 fans where there are seemingly a tournament every other week, and GSL every month, things like "3 OSL titles" may look bland. But it's still sad for them to list misleading or downright false achievements.
Putting them in the OB kills the hype, because they're not ready to compete with the best SC 2 players. KESPA wants to hype these players. To do that, they have to avoid them getting owned by today's SC 2 players the first time they play in front of an international crowd.
On May 25 2012 12:16 unit wrote: damn my only gripe is that effort isn't there lol this lineup is still sick
predictions stork 2nd (ez) fantasy having good bio control (ROFL JKJK though i am looking forward to fantasy vs clam in sc2 if it happens) clam shows up bigtime due to massive crowd leta is a master of 1-1-1 macro variations (where he can allin if he wishes but probably would use the early damage to take an economic lead) soulkey i have nothing for QQ flash gets 3rd (possible FvJ in sc2?) bisu/jd get either 1st or 4th
what i want to happen stork and jaedong to show up and just roflstomp everyone lol bisu vs stork (winner: stork) leta vs soulkey (winner: leta) jaedong vs flash (winner: jaedong) fantasy vs calm (winner: the viewers who die of laughter)
Soulkey is GM on Korea and along with effort is considered to be maybe the best Kespa sc2 player. I'd expect him to win personally.
My prediction is that Soulkey wins just because he's been hyped as being so good at SC2. Stork will take second place and Flash + Jaedong will take 3rd/4th. Making a prediction without Flash in top...1 feels weird
On May 25 2012 13:10 Valikyr wrote: My prediction is that Soulkey wins just because he's been hyped as being so good at SC2. Stork will take second place and Flash + Jaedong will take 3rd/4th. Making a prediction without Flash in top...1 feels weird
flash, stork nd soulkey has a osl ro16 match to play 1 week before anaheim and those games pretty much determines whether they advance into ro8. given that this might be the last bw osl, i would think that they would pay more attention to it rather than the match in anaheim.
This is great and all, but now it has become the one thing I feared the most with this partnership and KeSPA going global - Proleague has to suffer. Everyone has a game on the 9th and 10th and every team will now miss one clutch player each except SKT who will miss two big names and ACE none since they aren't allowed abroad and won't play at MLG. It's even worse now with the hybrid format where your star players matters more than ever to balance out the squads etc.
Other than that, this will be fun to watch I guess? I wonder who's gonna cast it. I hope they won't have alot of awkward interviews on stage before every game like they do on other MLG's with games on the mainstream where they ask questions like "HOW DO YOU LIKE USA MAN? Can you beat your opponent?" etc with translators and then KeSPA players having the most PC answers ever.
Leta over EffOrt is a little shock too tbh. And I would prefer if KHAN got to send 2 players instead so we could have Stork + Jangbi!
I really can't wait to see the amount of attention these players get when they come overseas. I mean, we all love MVP and MKP, but even SC2 people who've NEVER seen him play know that he's a few orders of magnitude above the SC2 competition (at least, in Brood War). Once Ke$pa sees the kind of popularity outside of Korea that these players actually have... the scene is going to change forever. Be ready.
On May 25 2012 13:28 Gosi wrote: This is great and all, but now it has become the one thing I feared the most with this partnership and KeSPA going global - Proleague has to suffer. Everyone has a game on the 9th and 10th and every team will now miss one clutch player each except SKT who will miss two big names and ACE none since they aren't allowed abroad and won't play at MLG. It's even worse now with the hybrid format where your star players matters more than ever to balance out the squads etc.
Other than that, this will be fun to watch I guess? I wonder who's gonna cast it. I hope they won't have alot of awkward interviews on stage before every game like they do on other MLG's with games on the mainstream where they ask questions like "HOW DO YOU LIKE USA MAN? Can you beat your opponent?" etc with translators and then KeSPA players having the most PC answers ever.
Leta over EffOrt is a little shock too tbh. And I would prefer if KHAN got to send 2 players instead so we could have Stork + Jangbi!
I dunno, Leta isn't bad and he has that whole creepy Gender Terran thing going so why not? Maybe he's as good at SCII as he is at drag?
On May 25 2012 13:28 Gosi wrote: This is great and all, but now it has become the one thing I feared the most with this partnership and KeSPA going global - Proleague has to suffer. Everyone has a game on the 9th and 10th and every team will now miss one clutch player each except SKT who will miss two big names and ACE none since they aren't allowed abroad and won't play at MLG. It's even worse now with the hybrid format where your star players matters more than ever to balance out the squads etc.
Other than that, this will be fun to watch I guess? I wonder who's gonna cast it. I hope they won't have alot of awkward interviews on stage before every game like they do on other MLG's with games on the mainstream where they ask questions like "HOW DO YOU LIKE USA MAN? Can you beat your opponent?" etc with translators and then KeSPA players having the most PC answers ever.
Leta over EffOrt is a little shock too tbh. And I would prefer if KHAN got to send 2 players instead so we could have Stork + Jangbi!
check what game these people would be lined up to play. With the exceptions of 1-3 of those listed people, none of them are sc2 stars from what i saw opening night and first round. If those people are lined up for sc2 that week, they might not be as key as supposed.
On May 25 2012 13:56 dronefarm wrote: Leta? Really? As a CJ fan, I feel robbed
Effort is probably the best player in PL when combining BW and SC2, he's truly the messiah of CJ now. Rest are not so good at SC2 so it won't matter as much if they don't get fielded for one week.
Flash + Bisu + Jaedong + Fantasy + Stork + neo.g_soulkey + calm (well and leta ) SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSICK the only guys i will miss here is is JangBi and Effort, but maaaan...
On May 25 2012 12:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm not excited to see my dual-gaming stressed out icons burn themselves out in the US at an SC2 event...
And MLG's totally fucked up descriptions of these players' achievements is so depressing. I know for SC2 fans where there are seemingly a tournament every other week, and GSL every month, things like "3 OSL titles" may look bland. But it's still sad for them to list misleading or downright false achievements.
Indeed, how can anything be a "major tournament" or "premier league" if there's a shitload of them? Seasonal MLG Arenas (2 now? Why?), MLG Season championships, MLG Championship championships, seasonal Dreamhack, IPL, IronSquid, GSL Seasons 1,2,3,4,5, IEM, and so on.
On May 25 2012 06:35 MLG_Lee wrote: Was a pretty close call on Effort vs Leta.
Very excited to have them there. As Adam has said, we will be streaming every match of this 8-man. so there will be plenty of free content for everyone :D
what was the deciding factor? if it was race balance then leta makes it 4 T 2 P 2 Z since clam plays T in sc2
each team got a single player to repesent. Airforce was not able to attend (due to military travel restrictions) so the extra invite went to Bisu/Fantasy.
Any chance we can see them in the open bracket if they wanted to enter , or are they just there for this tournament ?
On May 25 2012 12:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm not excited to see my dual-gaming stressed out icons burn themselves out in the US at an SC2 event...
Indeed. I really hope these players actually WANT to be there rather than being forced to go. Because the timing is really weird given that Flash/Stork/Fantasy/Soulkey are still playing in the OSL in addition to the hybrid league. And these guys are going to be able to go wherever they want in the future anyway given the international participation.
And MLG's totally fucked up descriptions of these players' achievements is so depressing. I know for SC2 fans where there are seemingly a tournament every other week, and GSL every month, things like "3 OSL titles" may look bland. But it's still sad for them to list misleading or downright false achievements.
I'm with you guys. I wish we could know what this players think. Specially the OSL guys. (Hell, this maybe-last OSL can be Flash's 4th title!!) Is this showmatch that important? Can these players actually CHOOSE what to do?
Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
On May 25 2012 14:37 Fionn wrote: Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
On May 25 2012 14:37 Fionn wrote: Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
Where is FBH then D:<
in ace...
No, Lann555. No one in SKT changed race because of the hybrid league.
On May 25 2012 14:37 Fionn wrote: Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
THe fucking stars ever in history of BW, are coming. I hope for them to improve fast this 2 weeks to let them live to the hype, cause I cant face to see bisu/fantasy/flash/stork/jaedong, playing horribly SCII.
On May 25 2012 14:37 Fionn wrote: Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
On May 25 2012 14:37 Fionn wrote: Effort is probably better than Leta, but since these are show matches, Leta has the most personality than any of the other players going to the event. I expect him to be doing back flips, dancing, and interacting with the crowd.
Stork is a legend and its great he's coming but it would've been awesome to see Jangbi too. Disappointed no Effort but I mean still this is going to be awesome. Obviously they aren't going to be the best games ever, but just to see them playing will be entertainment enough as long as people aren't expecting something amazing.
Wow so sick. But yeah, I really hope they get a ton of practice and make a worthwhile show of it. Would be absolutely amazing if they could show some amazing games! Cant wait!
pretty awesome, hope that they have improved enough to give us good games by the time this mlg rolls around. Most of them haven't gotten there play down to anything near impressive yet, though effort had some impressive macro (not that hes coming, but he was pretty badass to watch vs flash)
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Putting them in the open bracket would be the worst PR move Sundance could do. Even if Soulkey and someone else made it out of the open bracket, there would probably be a big name beaten by some no name. This would kill the hype around the players and show them to be what they are currently, and that being that they're good players but not close to the best players in the world.
In my opinion, the biggest hype thing they could have done is get the KESPA 8 and face them against Polt, DRG, MMA, Huk, Idra, etc., but we all know that would have ended with the KESPA guys looking amazingly weak. This way, even if the games aren't great, the KESPA players are losing to themselves and the winner will probably look good in the process.
On May 25 2012 09:33 CarlosOmse wrote: i never been into competitive brood war so i dont know anyone of them but i sincerly hope none of them get into top 10 it would be a straight up punch into all the "sc2 players are no skiller wait for the BW pros" trolls faces. but well see maybe sc2 will get a bonjwa within the next months and one of them gonna rule the world ^^
I don't understand this. Pretty much every top SC2 pro was a BroodWar pro before...
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Putting them in the open bracket would be the worst PR move Sundance could do. Even if Soulkey and someone else made it out of the open bracket, there would probably be a big name beaten by some no name. This would kill the hype around the players and show them to be what they are currently, and that being that they're good players but not close to the best players in the world.
In my opinion, the biggest hype thing they could have done is get the KESPA 8 and face them against Polt, DRG, MMA, Huk, Idra, etc., but we all know that would have ended with the KESPA guys looking amazingly weak. This way, even if the games aren't great, the KESPA players are losing to themselves and the winner will probably look good in the process.
The best way would be to just let them be and introduce them 3 months later. Best PR move.
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Putting them in the open bracket would be the worst PR move Sundance could do. Even if Soulkey and someone else made it out of the open bracket, there would probably be a big name beaten by some no name. This would kill the hype around the players and show them to be what they are currently, and that being that they're good players but not close to the best players in the world.
In my opinion, the biggest hype thing they could have done is get the KESPA 8 and face them against Polt, DRG, MMA, Huk, Idra, etc., but we all know that would have ended with the KESPA guys looking amazingly weak. This way, even if the games aren't great, the KESPA players are losing to themselves and the winner will probably look good in the process.
The best way would be to just let them be and introduce them 3 months later. Best PR move.
True, and even better would have been to somehow stop KESPA from having Proleague before Anaheim and pulling back the curtain so early that most of them aren't very good, but this showmatch tournament is way less risky than throwing them in the open bracket.
Can you imagine what would happen if some mid-masters NA player took out Flash in the second round? Madness.
Bad bad bad move. After having seen the Proleague-games, it should be obvious nobody is anywhere near competing with the big guns in sc2 atm. They just should have given em the time to train sc2 and I dont believe any of the Kespa players is satisfied by being thrown into MLG after such a short amount of time.
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Then you, sir, are totally oblivious, or better ignorant, of the great things these people have achieved in the past.
I don't see any SC2 1st place or anything else, so I guess New Zealand shouldn't go into FIFA world cup qualifiers because they won much with rugby...
They're not going from rugby to soccer. They're going from rugby union to rugby league.
EDIT: I actually think this is a really good analogy in hindsight. League is faster, there's more spur of the moment brilliance, a lot more punishing, less reliance on weight (which can be compared to APM I guess), less reliance on defensive lines and making metres etc.
On May 25 2012 09:33 CarlosOmse wrote: i never been into competitive brood war so i dont know anyone of them but i sincerly hope none of them get into top 10 it would be a straight up punch into all the "sc2 players are no skiller wait for the BW pros" trolls faces. but well see maybe sc2 will get a bonjwa within the next months and one of them gonna rule the world ^^
I never been into competitive BW either, but still I'll explain: The teams were they come from, are professional teams with a lot of years of experience in training and producing champions. Compare that with the teams we currently have, except, maybe, IM, where for example, foreign teams, you don't even have a practice schedule, you do whatever you want when you want, there's no theory sessions, there's no coach and no manager, who work as hard as the players to understand the game theory , and then explain it to the players, or manage all of their affairs, without them having to do anything besides listening to their coach, practice partner, and doing their practice.
Their methods of practicing and learning are refined to the very top, almost perfected. Also, these are players that have already proved themselves to be very good at either working really hard (Jaedong?) , having talent (Bisu?) or a mix of both (Flash ?). They're champions in a game with a much fiercer competition than SC2 had for at last the 1st one and half years.
So them getting into the top 10 would not be a troll face, it would be a "You have been lazy. Let us show you how it's done."
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Then you, sir, are totally oblivious, or better ignorant, of the great things these people have achieved in the past.
I don't see any SC2 1st place or anything else, so I guess New Zealand shouldn't go into FIFA world cup qualifiers because they won much with rugby...
They're not going from rugby to soccer. They're going from rugby union to rugby league.
EDIT: I actually think this is a really good analogy in hindsight. League is faster, there's more spur of the moment brilliance, a lot more punishing, less reliance on weight (which can be compared to APM I guess), less reliance on defensive lines and making metres etc.
No, they are going from International Politics to Space Invaders.
Well, they certainly will be motivated to train hard. I doubt that these top players, with all their korean pride, could stomach losing to mediocre foreigners in front of a big audience.
:S From what I'm reading they're not actually doing free streams for this showmatch tourney. If this is the case I'm going to be sorely disappointed. MLG are not yet at a professional enough quality to deserve my money. Especially when DreamHack offer higher quality streams for free than the MLG paid streams :S
On May 25 2012 18:36 elimzkE wrote: :S From what I'm reading they're not actually doing free streams for this showmatch tourney. If this is the case I'm going to be sorely disappointed. MLG are not yet at a professional enough quality to deserve my money. Especially when DreamHack offer higher quality streams for free than the MLG paid streams :S
They will get roflstomped if they get matched with current sc2 players. If so then this is a total bullshit and I don't think they should get invitations just like this. It's even MORE unfair than giving invitations to foreigners in GSL.
On May 25 2012 19:01 pms wrote: They will get crushed...
By who, each other? They're playing against each other in an exhibition tournament -- they're not entering the open bracket. They're eligible to do so, apparently, if they wanted, but if they were going to there'd be a big news thing about that, so at the moment -- just the exhibition tournament among the eight of them.
I don't know why people say they aren't good players at SC2 - they are excellent at the fundamental mechanics, and their micro/macro looks to be good as well. Their decision making and strategies need to adapt, but I am also hoping that they can help innovate at the same time since they aren't part of the dominant force in the metagame (GSL) - they might come up with something new and different in how to play some match ups. I will be very very surprised if any of the players wish to enter the open bracket, and extremely surprised if KeSPA or their coaches let them. The structure there is different from GSL/Foreign SC2 - players have less of a say about things, and I don't think any of them could enter the open bracket if they want to without both Team/KeSPA agreeing.
Wish I could go - the exhibition tournament may not show GSL Code-S quality matches, but it'd still be great to see such accomplished players playing a new game and finally meeting face to face all of their foreign fans. I mean, yeah... when MKP or Huk or (insert SC2 player here) wanders around the MLG floor, they get stopped for autographs pretty frequently. But if, for example, Flash decides to check out the Dr. Pepper girls booth or cheer for an old friend in the main tournament, there may need to be some security on hand to prevent nerds from throwing themselves at him while screaming "TAKE ME!" (or y'know, something like that.)
Idea for future exhibition - 2v2 tournament with KeSPA players partnering with MLG players. (Flash/MVP vs. SoulKey/MC anyone?)
On May 25 2012 19:01 pms wrote: They will get crushed...
They will probably only play eachother...
I hope they will. There is no point in flying them in only to get them humiliated by pros who were playing this game since beta. Sure, it's awesome to see legends compete in a new game but it's too early for that imo. Just give them more time. At least till the hybrid proleague season is over and they can focus on one game instead of two..
On May 25 2012 19:01 pms wrote: They will get crushed...
By who, each other? They're playing against each other in an exhibition tournament -- they're not entering the open bracket. They're eligible to do so, apparently, if they wanted, but if they were going to there'd be a big news thing about that, so at the moment -- just the exhibition tournament among the eight of them.
Oh I see. Well, that's better but still I don't know how happy they are to show their play already. As for myself, I would rather wait till they feel more comfortable with the game although it's interesting to see their progress in such a small amount of time. But at MLG.. dunno. We'll see ^^
On May 25 2012 12:04 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm not excited to see my dual-gaming stressed out icons burn themselves out in the US at an SC2 event...
And MLG's totally fucked up descriptions of these players' achievements is so depressing. I know for SC2 fans where there are seemingly a tournament every other week, and GSL every month, things like "3 OSL titles" may look bland. But it's still sad for them to list misleading or downright false achievements.
Indeed, how can anything be a "major tournament" or "premier league" if there's a shitload of them? Seasonal MLG Arenas (2 now? Why?), MLG Season championships, MLG Championship championships, seasonal Dreamhack, IPL, IronSquid, GSL Seasons 1,2,3,4,5, IEM, and so on.
Yah it really sucks that there are more events and SC2 continues to grow. How dare those players and teams desire more money and opportunities. And how dare they have more tournaments in the entire world than BW did in one country. None of those can be called major anymore!
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Then you, sir, are totally oblivious, or better ignorant, of the great things these people have achieved in the past.
Of course he isn't. It's a different game. They aren't super good in SC2. Not even close actually.
No one said they are "super good in SC2." The hype is due to the fact that they are the best BW players in the world at the moment, and most of them are among the best to ever play the game. And now the switch to SC2 is beginning, and they will be at a FOREIGN event, which is a big deal whether you guys realize it or not.
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Then you, sir, are totally oblivious, or better ignorant, of the great things these people have achieved in the past.
Of course he isn't. It's a different game. They aren't super good in SC2. Not even close actually.
I think the point was that the first guy is saying, they're just playing show matches against each other, who cares? They're not good enough to win the actual tournament.
And the other guy is saying it doesn't matter that they aren't serious contenders in the main tournament, theses guys are fucking legends, and they're going to be in Anaheim, where people can actually go see them, get stuff signed. They could be playing hopscotch, and there'd still be crowds there cheering them on.
In which case, I side with the second guy :-p Not only is it a big thing for SC2, it's just awesome for them to be coming to an MLG period. Think of all the fans in the US that have watched these guys for years and now get a chance to see them in person, it's huge.
On May 25 2012 17:24 Conny Duck wrote: I dont understand this hype. Put them in the open bracket and hype them after they won the whole thing.
Then you, sir, are totally oblivious, or better ignorant, of the great things these people have achieved in the past.
Of course he isn't. It's a different game. They aren't super good in SC2. Not even close actually.
No one said they are "super good in SC2." The hype is due to the fact that they are the best BW players in the world at the moment, and most of them are among the best to ever play the game. And now the switch to SC2 is beginning, and they will be at a FOREIGN event, which is a big deal whether you guys realize it or not.
It would be hype-worthy if they were playing SC BW.
With the recent PL matches in mind, I'm a little torn on this. Sure it will probably be hype as fuck but I really hope they step up their game. Flash and Jaedong did not impress me whatsoever, it's a shame KeSPA pushed SC2 so hard on the players, the result was just "well this kinda sucks". IMO people have been hyping these players too much (myself included) and I fear this will be a disappointment if none of them can show code-S level play or something equally impressive.
How can anyone expect them to play on code S lvl after month of training, you guys are hyping things too much. They will be best but it will take a time.
On May 25 2012 20:55 John Madden wrote: You got fantasy's record wrong, definately not that
Maybe he was secretly winning Starleagues wearing his Iloveoov disguise? And MLG happened to be first to notice it. You just all got tricked into this "iloveoov" business.
This is gonna be great !!! Glad T1 got to send Bisu and Fantasy. Unfortunately I live over 30 hours away from Cali, so I'll have to catch them when they get a bit closer. Going to be an epic event.
I think things like the Proleague and this show tournament is a good thing for them. It gives everyone an idea of their current skill level and stops them from being over-hyped (which would lead to greater disappointment if those expectations aren't met).
To those that don't understand what the deal is with all the hype around these guys, for me it is about their potential in SC2. Yes, you can argue that it's a different game, but let's not kid ourselves, there is a large amount of carry-over in skill between these games.
What I love about these tournaments is they offer us a look into their speed of improvement. It has been said that SC1 Korean teams are even stricter than SC2 Korean teams. I imagine the quantity and quality of practice is higher. What excites me the most is seeing what results this kind of practice will produce. The innovations to the game that it will bring.
If foreigners had the same amount and grade of practice, I'm sure we would be see more foreigners in Code S.
looking forward to seeing it, it will be excited just for the hype and the atmosphere etc, should be epic! I hope they can improve their level some on the first pro-league matches as well though.
oh my god................................................................................................................... ..............................................nuff' said
Looking from the recent PL VODs, we can all agree that they are not on the same level as the tip top code s level pros. In addition to this, these players still have to practice BW at the same time. So with this in mind, I don't think we should EXPECT results like 1st to 3rd place finishes from these players. I'm not saying that wouldn't be OMGWTFBBQAWESOME!!! but we, as fans, shouldn't be disappointed if they don't finish in the higher places. Gonna be looking forward to how far they can get into the tournament ^^
On May 26 2012 00:38 Sankanyo wrote: Looking from the recent PL VODs, we can all agree that they are not on the same level as the tip top code s level pros. In addition to this, these players still have to practice BW at the same time. So with this in mind, I don't think we should EXPECT results like 1st to 3rd place finishes from these players. I'm not saying that wouldn't be OMGWTFBBQAWESOME!!! but we, as fans, shouldn't be disappointed if they don't finish in the higher places. Gonna be looking forward to how far they can get into the tournament ^^
If I didn't read it wrong they will only be playing each other in an expo tournament. Therefore we can indeed expect top3 finishes.
I think he meant Effort looks the best in SC2 among the BW players.
of course he does. i'm just saying effort isn't there because leta is ahead on the tlpd and its clear that mlg just picked the 8 top players off tlpd, with one from each team bar ace.
I think he meant Effort looks the best in SC2 among the BW players.
of course he does. i'm just saying effort isn't there because leta is ahead on the tlpd and its clear that mlg just picked the 8 top players off tlpd, with one from each team bar ace.
Yeah lol... They picked the top 7 from TLPD + calm. Also their stats are from TLPD too lmao..
On May 26 2012 00:48 Duval wrote: I couldn't help but notice Soulkey's name being Min Chul. Does he happen to be related to our own MC o.O ?
I think he meant Effort looks the best in SC2 among the BW players.
of course he does. i'm just saying effort isn't there because leta is ahead on the tlpd and its clear that mlg just picked the 8 top players off tlpd, with one from each team bar ace.
Yeah lol... They picked the top 7 from TLPD + calm. Also their stats are from TLPD too lmao..
holy sh***t, what a lineup. unfortunately though, they will certainly not be top sc2 level players yet, just way too few time to catch up to those players that started sc2 two years ago.
oh, did anyone else almost fall off his chair laughing when he read the list of achievements: "player X - 10 first places, player Y - 15 first place finishes.... leta: over 100 proleague wins"
On May 26 2012 01:30 Black Gun wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ????!!!
holy sh***t, what a lineup. unfortunately though, they will certainly not be top sc2 level players yet, just way too few time to catch up to those players that started sc2 two years ago.
oh, did anyone else almost fall off his chair laughing when he read the list of achievements: "player X - 10 first places, player Y - 15 first place finishes.... leta: over 100 proleague wins"
Actually I fell off my chair too haha. But I mean 100+ pl wins isn't something to look down on. Also I'd be happy for these programers if they made it to group stage haha. A few months doesn't compare to around two years.
On May 26 2012 01:49 zerglingrodeo wrote: This is going to be extremely interesting to watch. Seeing exactly how these top-tier progamers approach SC2 is a dream come true.
Also, it will be great to watch JD win everything.
it was already exciting to see flash's brilliant medivac control in that fpvod posted some days ago. you could clearly see that he is still very new to the game, but already does certain things better than 90% of current active pros. (and im not talking about pros like incontrol or jinro, im talking about code s......)
THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On May 26 2012 02:02 WorkerRush wrote: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything official.. I would imagine they would have to play in the open bracket, why would they not be allowed to compete?
On May 26 2012 02:02 WorkerRush wrote: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything official.. I would imagine they would have to play in the open bracket, why would they not be allowed to compete?
It was said right in the announcement that:
Players will be participating in the expo tournament beginning Saturday, June 9 at 9pm PT and continuing until approximately midnight. The competition will take place on the Main Stage and will be broadcast LIVE at www.majorleaguegaming.com/live.
On May 26 2012 02:02 WorkerRush wrote: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything official.. I would imagine they would have to play in the open bracket, why would they not be allowed to compete?
they arent playing in the open bracket. Been stated across a lot of podcasts and interviews. Theyre in their own tournament. They could compete if they wish but they arent as of now
On May 26 2012 02:02 WorkerRush wrote: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT PLAYING WITH THE SC2 PROS THEY ARE PLAYING ANOTHER 8-player TOURNAMENT TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you reading this? I haven't seen anything official.. I would imagine they would have to play in the open bracket, why would they not be allowed to compete?
they arent playing in the open bracket. Been stated across a lot of podcasts and interviews. Theyre in their own tournament. They could compete if they wish but they arent as of now
Stork will win this. But if they`re doing OB he`ll get second.
For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
I agree, cheer for bisu.
also, fatansy is sooooooooooooooooooooooo underrated, please cheer hard for him, he really needs some love.
I really hope that they've had enough time to practice SC2 to do justice to themselves. I'd rather wait longer than see a less-than-stellar performance out of one of the greats.
As much as Im excited to read this Im sure that MLG will still maintain the crappy policy on free streams. Edit: Thank you MLG for thinking straight this time.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
Vote for Bisu is not bandwagoning? What the que? How is rooting for T1 Ace not being a bandwagon fan?
If you want to be a BW hipster fan, vote for Leta. Many people don't think he belongs (Effort for CJ) and he's a good dancer.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
sorry but you dont know crap if you thin the steelers and cowboys are that team :p Thats more along the lines of Patriots and Colts (with peyton) and the Saints.
On May 26 2012 04:48 ProxyKnoxy wrote: I'm just scared of what will happen if Jaedong vs Flash happens but they are really boring/low skill games. It won't look good!
So? They're incredibly new to the game and their current workload is much greater than that of a regular SC 2 pro because they have to know two games inside and out, which is unprecedented. I'm sure people wont be dicks that dont understand it's hard to progress when your time is potentially split depending on the team's strategy for certain players.
On May 26 2012 05:43 excal wrote: How are those gold/silver/bronze numbers calculated?
Probably with the most prestigious indivual league like OSL, MSL and WCG (probably several others since even Flash has 6 MSL/OSL gold combined)
Looks more like they just took whatever the fuck they saw on Liquipedia and stuck it on there. e.g. Bisu has 10 golds, if including a bunch of IEF wins, WCG Korea, Blizzard Invitational in 2007, and the GOM Classic. Flash's 1st place finishes include a few invitationals as well, while one of Jaedong's golds was a special match where he literally did nothing but play Bisu in a Bo5 and win 3-2. No other players were involved.
im more anxious to see flash and all the bw play then the usual x player vs x race same boring fight even tho i got a feeling this will happend since its sc2, but atleast i know they got remarkable skills from bw and wont dissapoint me
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
Vote for Bisu is not bandwagoning? What the que? How is rooting for T1 Ace not being a bandwagon fan?
Don't listen to him. The Empire is all that is right and good in the world. You root for them out of the purity of your heart.
On May 26 2012 07:36 SiroKO wrote: I hope they don't take it too seriously because chances are that they will get demolished, except 1 or 2 who will lose in the later stage of the tournament.
read the fuckin post ffs. they gonna play in an exclusive tournament on they own.
On May 26 2012 06:26 ]343[ wrote: lol @ fantasy's 15 first-place finishes...???
lmao, they went to TLPD and saw that he had 15 games for the Bacchus Starleague...
15 games in a tournament != 15 career championships
gg MLG
"As part of the collaboration, KeSPA players will compete in MLG events—marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States." @ MLG-KesPA partnership announcement
And now they just completely butchering the achivements of the players. I think MLG just wants to much out of this...
On May 26 2012 06:26 ]343[ wrote: lol @ fantasy's 15 first-place finishes...???
lmao, they went to TLPD and saw that he had 15 games for the Bacchus Starleague...
15 games in a tournament != 15 career championships
gg MLG
Really dumb of them. But at the same time, they might as well hype him up since he is by far the best BW player right now (sorry, Flash fans, but it's true).
On May 26 2012 08:00 Jisall wrote: Is this a SC2 tournament or BW.
I heard the players are playing both. They alternate in the BoX series and the game (BW or SC2) to start game 1 of the BoX series alternates between rounds.
On May 26 2012 08:00 Jisall wrote: Is this a SC2 tournament or BW.
I heard the players are playing both. They alternate in the BoX series and the game (BW or SC2) to start game 1 of the BoX series alternates between rounds.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
bisu is most comparable to the modern-day cowboys.
No, you root for Stork because you can chant "Song Byung Gu".
Leta interests me since he is a king of Wraiths (along with Light) so I wonder if he can come up with some good Air Terran. But otherwise I gotta root for Fantasy.
Since ZerO isn't going, Soulkey gets my zerg vote since he modelled his play style after ZerO.
On May 25 2012 22:28 amazingxkcd wrote: Are they playing BW?
If not, not worth a single thread at all :/
...and your post is not worth anything also. Trolls should get banned imo.
Its Sc2 section , so ... People get bans or warnings for post like that in Bw section..
Actually, what you are doing is trolling. We don't have hype threads for SC2 players playing SC BW, do we?
SC BW people playing SC2, SC2 people playing BW, neither something to be excited about. Doesn't have anything to do with the game.
Actually, when HuK played BW against Boxer at some MLG when the internet was down, there was a lot of threads and even VODs.. Not really pre-hype and not really the same deal since Boxer did play his fair share of BW back in the day, but anyway.
The first post is really stupid, because yes they will be bad but the BW legends are still absolutely AMAZING to see, regardless the format. I would watch them play a tournament in chess as well.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
bisu is most comparable to the modern-day cowboys.
Because he hasn't won anything lately? I think he is right that Bisu has gotten little credit the last couple of years, he just hasn't won anything (Big) since 2008 (MSL) while still being considered top 3 (FBJ) 2009-2010 (2011?), being super-consistent in PL and so forth.. Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't been following closely since SC2 came out..
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
bisu is most comparable to the modern-day cowboys.
Because he hasn't won anything lately? I think he is right that Bisu has gotten little credit the last couple of years, he just hasn't won anything (Big) since 2008 (MSL) while still being considered top 3 (FBJ) 2009-2010 (2011?), being super-consistent in PL and so forth.. Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't been following closely since SC2 came out..
Go Bisu!
Bisu 2010 was garbage (relative to top form Bisu). Losing in every Ro32 / Ro36, relatively unimpressive SPL record, and was the source of countless fanboy tears. There was even a thread about how Bisu wasn't even a top 10 Protoss. He only picked it up when the next SPL season began toward the end of that year. Kal was Kespa Protoss of the year 2010, and for other parts of that year Free was the best Protoss.
Bisu probably peaked from fall 2008 to mid-to-late 2009, when he was an SPL king and also picked up an MSL and GSL gold. His 2011 SPL run is the best ever, but he never made it past a Ro16 around then so he wasn't as good overall. And 2007 Bisu won 2 MSLs, but was not that impressive in SPL (Stork was the Protoss SPL boss that year).
Bisu hasn't made it past a Ro16 since Q2 of 2009, irrc. But he's still baller in SPL in 2011 and 2012 - I don't know if the Cowboys have to do with that.
Ok, I had to dig out the old "Bisu sucks" threads from early 2010.
On May 25 2012 22:28 amazingxkcd wrote: Are they playing BW?
If not, not worth a single thread at all :/
...and your post is not worth anything also. Trolls should get banned imo.
Its Sc2 section , so ... People get bans or warnings for post like that in Bw section..
Actually, what you are doing is trolling. We don't have hype threads for SC2 players playing SC BW, do we?
SC BW people playing SC2, SC2 people playing BW, neither something to be excited about. Doesn't have anything to do with the game.
Actually, when HuK played BW against Boxer at some MLG when the internet was down, there was a lot of threads and even VODs.. Not really pre-hype and not really the same deal since Boxer did play his fair share of BW back in the day, but anyway.
The first post is really stupid, because yes they will be bad but the BW legends are still absolutely AMAZING to see, regardless the format. I would watch them play a tournament in chess as well.
Thats what i think MLG is going for. You have to watch to enjoy your BW players play. The games won't be as high tier as some others, since the structure they follow practices two games. They need more experience.
All in all, you have to know and like the players for this tournament to be worthwhile imo.
Sc2 scrubs should watch closely, these ppl will be dominating the scene in no time. If you dont want to see future champs in action - sure, dont bother. They will get enough viewers regardless.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
bisu is most comparable to the modern-day cowboys.
Because he hasn't won anything lately? I think he is right that Bisu has gotten little credit the last couple of years, he just hasn't won anything (Big) since 2008 (MSL) while still being considered top 3 (FBJ) 2009-2010 (2011?), being super-consistent in PL and so forth.. Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't been following closely since SC2 came out..
Go Bisu!
Bisu 2010 was garbage (relative to top form Bisu). Losing in every Ro32 / Ro36, relatively unimpressive SPL record, and was the source of countless fanboy tears. There was even a thread about how Bisu wasn't even a top 10 Protoss. He only picked it up when the next SPL season began toward the end of that year. Kal was Kespa Protoss of the year 2010, and for other parts of that year Free was the best Protoss.
Bisu probably peaked from fall 2008 to mid-to-late 2009, when he was an SPL king and also picked up an MSL and GSL gold. His 2011 SPL run is the best ever, but he never made it past a Ro16 around then so he wasn't as good overall. And 2007 Bisu won 2 MSLs, but was not that impressive in SPL (Stork was the Protoss SPL boss that year).
Bisu hasn't made it past a Ro16 since Q2 of 2009, irrc. But he's still baller in SPL in 2011 and 2012 - I don't know if the Cowboys have to do with that.
Ok, I had to dig out the old "Bisu sucks" threads from early 2010.
That was a sad time to be a Bisu fan. Thank god he turned it around.
First of all thanks for an amazing recap!
Haha, I remember the slump period since it was pre-SC2 :D Yeah, except 2010 he has been such a boss in proleague though. You are correct he doesn't preform in the individual leagues, but a starleague is a lot less games so I believe you can't really say he wasn't good overall. He just didn't make it in individuals.
What I was trying to say is that everyone always expected so much from him, because he has shown enormous potential, but he always seemed to not go all the way..
I don't know if this has been addressed yet but i think that this is also a two-way street... these bw players have incredible influence and have huge fan bases in korea.... some people have said that sc2 is not yet established in korea and there are some other games that are as popular or even more popular.... if these influential bw players aren't impressed by what the foreign sc2 players and audience has to offer and these bw players choose to express anything other than love and passion for sc2, then this could turn away many potential korean fans.....
personally, i come from the bw side of things so i may be a little ignorant... however, i believe that because of this situation, even the most apathetic person has reason to cheer for these 'elephants'.... if these players can somehow bring their fans to sc2 (really hard to do but if it is possible, these players will do it), this could mean more fans for players like stephano, idra, ret, etc....
On May 26 2012 00:38 Sankanyo wrote: Looking from the recent PL VODs, we can all agree that they are not on the same level as the tip top code s level pros. In addition to this, these players still have to practice BW at the same time. So with this in mind, I don't think we should EXPECT results like 1st to 3rd place finishes from these players. I'm not saying that wouldn't be OMGWTFBBQAWESOME!!! but we, as fans, shouldn't be disappointed if they don't finish in the higher places. Gonna be looking forward to how far they can get into the tournament ^^
If I didn't read it wrong they will only be playing each other in an expo tournament. Therefore we can indeed expect top3 finishes.
On May 27 2012 00:19 ETisME wrote: I wonder how many can really make a dominating scene in SC2. highly doubt all of them can be as good as they were in bw.
Especially the bw zergs because you just can't really play aggressive zerg in SC2 (at least not the same way in bw anyway)
You probably will be able to when maps are designed properly and are larger.
On May 27 2012 02:05 Micket wrote: Are they allowed to enter the main tournament if they so choose to? Pretty sure they will be able to crush mid-tier foreigners already.
On May 27 2012 00:19 ETisME wrote: I wonder how many can really make a dominating scene in SC2. highly doubt all of them can be as good as they were in bw.
Especially the bw zergs because you just can't really play aggressive zerg in SC2 (at least not the same way in bw anyway)
You probably will be able to when maps are designed properly and are larger.
Ahh can't wait till the full switch for PL and they start making their own maps <3
On May 26 2012 06:26 ]343[ wrote: lol @ fantasy's 15 first-place finishes...???
lmao, they went to TLPD and saw that he had 15 games for the Bacchus Starleague...
15 games in a tournament != 15 career championships
gg MLG
I still think its Nada's record, since it says Kespa record 2003, instead of 2007 when Fantasy started playing.
Fail. Nada has been in pro-scene 2001.
Most likely oov because people interchange Fantasy's name with oov, due to won games always being given credit to oov instead of Fantasy. Now that oov has left and Fantasy is beating the likes of Flash, we know that Fantasy is the real deal.
On May 27 2012 08:10 GoRushKinG wrote: Flash isnt as good as people say, he lost to fantasy i think it was in SPL oo
Its a single bo1 game. The game was tight and lasted a while. Fantasy is in the top 5 bw players for years, making it into the finals of the 2 last OSLs.
On May 26 2012 03:49 ZergMaestro wrote: For those Who Never watched bw, and don't know who to root for. Let me tell you.
If you want to root for a 'toss root for Bisu. The evil zerg killer. i'm finally over the beating he gave sAviOr. hes pretty cool, and Super underrated. When people talk about the best ever they Always talk about the terrans, and zergs. Never him.
If you want to root for a Terran root for Leta, or maybe Oov 2.0... I MEAN Fantasy. Leta CJ fanboyism Also Fantasy beat Flash in the last proleague finals.
If you want to Root for a Zerg root for Neo.G_Soulkey.
Rooting for Flash, or Jaedong is like rooting for the super popular banwagoning team in whatever sport you happen to watch. For Example in american football the steelers, or the cowboys. Don't be those kind of people.
If you don't care about the race. (I can't believe i'm going to say this) cheer for Bisu.
bisu is most comparable to the modern-day cowboys.
Protoss in general is the bills. Its hard to banwagon protoss. Fuck even I've started wanting more toss to win Starleagues. I hate toss
edit: know what my sports analogy fucking sucks. when a savior fan tells you to root for bisu you listen. Never forget 0-3 ((
Flash, Jaedong, Bisu? At MLG? That's going to be so sick. That being said, they're not going to win, not with so little experience in the game, but it's definitely a huge event in the scene. To see these legends at a foreigner tournament? I really wish I could attend.
now we can see if the gods instantly own everything, like a good portion of forumusers believed. After seeing the proleague games i think everyone realised that it will take quite some time for them to catch up. stupid, 1231ß230xxx pages elevant thread.....
Sorry if this has been answered before but now that proleague players are playing SCII, can they participate in GSL? I'm guessing no for whatever reason but..
On May 29 2012 22:14 theramstoss wrote: Sorry if this has been answered before but now that proleague players are playing SCII, can they participate in GSL? I'm guessing no for whatever reason but..
Mr Chae said whenever they want to enter they're welcome to so it's entirely up to the players, or more likely the teams, themselves.
On May 29 2012 22:17 Nekovivie wrote: Lets see if these players are any good at SC2 :p :p :p
Have you been watching them in their normal proleague tournaments (they now have both BW and SC2 games)?
You can answer that question for yourself, already!
I think the answer so far is: Right now, they're nowhere near the level of the top tier SC2 progamers, but that may be because they're practicing for both games and so if they have a few more months of just SC2 training, then they may really start to impress us.
Does anyone know how the deals with Kespa work? Will we be able to see their players compete with current SC2 pros? I'd really like to see how they hold up now vs people who have been playing for a while. And then again in 6 months to a year and see how much they improve.
WWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTT?? LEE JAE DONG FIGHTING!! I do fear for the venue though. California soil gonna crack under so much Korean awesomeness.
On May 29 2012 22:33 ThirdDegree wrote: Does anyone know how the deals with Kespa work? Will we be able to see their players compete with current SC2 pros? I'd really like to see how they hold up now vs people who have been playing for a while. And then again in 6 months to a year and see how much they improve.
Well the way I see it is that they are going to play amongst themselves in an exhibition showmatch, and not vs current SC2 pros. You just have to watch PL to see how they would fare vs SC2 pros : they would get dismantled.
On May 27 2012 00:19 ETisME wrote: I wonder how many can really make a dominating scene in SC2. highly doubt all of them can be as good as they were in bw.
Especially the bw zergs because you just can't really play aggressive zerg in SC2 (at least not the same way in bw anyway)
You probably will be able to when maps are designed properly and are larger.
On May 27 2012 00:19 ETisME wrote: I wonder how many can really make a dominating scene in SC2. highly doubt all of them can be as good as they were in bw.
Especially the bw zergs because you just can't really play aggressive zerg in SC2 (at least not the same way in bw anyway)
You probably will be able to when maps are designed properly and are larger.
Let's just make it 100% impossible to win PvZ against mutas.
All as predicted; I considered Leta instead of Effort - but frankly, I think Effort would have been the better choice both as a legend and as SC2 transition. But of course, Leta is a great guy, hope he'll make MLG even more entertaining.
On May 30 2012 16:21 Elec wrote: i wont be able to watch it on the weekend... how does one watch it after it has aired? do i still have to pay? youtube? other source? link please
Normally 1 week after MLG you can watch the VODs for free from their website.
On May 27 2012 00:19 ETisME wrote: I wonder how many can really make a dominating scene in SC2. highly doubt all of them can be as good as they were in bw.
Especially the bw zergs because you just can't really play aggressive zerg in SC2 (at least not the same way in bw anyway)
You probably will be able to when maps are designed properly and are larger.
Let's just make it 100% impossible to win PvZ against mutas.
Make arcons :D no zerg will attack ground army with arcons mixed in with muta!
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Oh really? They've played the game for about a month, maybe a month in a half. There's no reason to send them into a pool of sharks.
I personally believe this partnership is a greedy and stupid move by MLG. They're just trying to monopolize SC E-Sports. Oh! Were here to help E-sports! Then they request an "exclusive-agreement".
It's all about business and bragging rights which is completely understandable, but at least be smart about it, by showing respect to the people who gave your organization a way to make a profit. Everybody know's the current Brood War players aren't ready to attend an event such as MLG. They've been playing SC2 for how long now? 1 1/2 months? While dual practicing for Brood War? For crying out loud, GIVE THEM TIME TO BREATHE! MLG is just hosting this event for some extra revenue, they could give a fuck less about the players reputation and criticism they will receive IF they don't meet the critics expectations. It wouldn't be a problem if they had of waited 6-12 months to do this event but while they're still practicing Brood War? Really?
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Oh really? They've played the game for about a month, maybe a month in a half. There's no reason to send them into a pool of sharks.
I personally believe this partnership is a greedy and stupid move by MLG. They're just trying to monopolize SC E-Sports. Oh! Were here to help E-sports! Then they request an "exclusive-agreement".
It's all about business and bragging rights which is completely understandable, but at least be smart about it, by showing respect to the people who gave your organization a way to make a profit. Everybody know's the current Brood War players aren't ready to attend an event such as MLG. They've been playing SC2 for how long now? 1 1/2 months? While dual practicing for Brood War? For crying out loud, GIVE THEM TIME TO BREATHE! MLG is just hosting this event for some extra revenue, they could give a fuck less about the players reputation and criticism they will receive IF they don't meet the critics expectations. It wouldn't be a problem if they had of waited 6-12 months to do this event but while they're still practicing Brood War? Really?
Six months would be too late -- heck, even the Summer Championships at Raleigh would be too late -- for an exhibition like this, given OGN's plans to hold an individual SC2 tournament, possibly as early as next month. As far as I know, there hasn't been any further news on it since the big joint press conference, but that had to have had an impact on MLG's planning there.
I don't think OGN will do any SC2 singles tournament till October when they switch fully to SC2. Having a SC2OSL alongside the actual OSL would be unfair to the players still in the late states of the final BW OSL. And the games wouldn't really show us who is the best player because they're still practicing both games.
On June 02 2012 21:46 Fionn wrote: I don't think OGN will do any SC2 singles tournament till October when they switch fully to SC2. Having a SC2OSL alongside the actual OSL would be unfair to the players still in the late states of the final BW OSL. And the games wouldn't really show us who is the best player because they're still practicing both games.
They might do it for the current SC2 players though.
On June 02 2012 21:46 Fionn wrote: I don't think OGN will do any SC2 singles tournament till October when they switch fully to SC2. Having a SC2OSL alongside the actual OSL would be unfair to the players still in the late states of the final BW OSL. And the games wouldn't really show us who is the best player because they're still practicing both games.
They might do it for the current SC2 players though.
I think that would be a bit of a slap in the face to the KeSpa players
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Oh really? They've played the game for about a month, maybe a month in a half. There's no reason to send them into a pool of sharks.
I personally believe this partnership is a greedy and stupid move by MLG. They're just trying to monopolize SC E-Sports. Oh! Were here to help E-sports! Then they request an "exclusive-agreement".
It's all about business and bragging rights which is completely understandable, but at least be smart about it, by showing respect to the people who gave your organization a way to make a profit. Everybody know's the current Brood War players aren't ready to attend an event such as MLG. They've been playing SC2 for how long now? 1 1/2 months? While dual practicing for Brood War? For crying out loud, GIVE THEM TIME TO BREATHE! MLG is just hosting this event for some extra revenue, they could give a fuck less about the players reputation and criticism they will receive IF they don't meet the critics expectations. It wouldn't be a problem if they had of waited 6-12 months to do this event but while they're still practicing Brood War? Really?
Six months would be too late -- heck, even the Summer Championships at Raleigh would be too late -- for an exhibition like this, given OGN's plans to hold an individual SC2 tournament, possibly as early as next month. As far as I know, there hasn't been any further news on it since the big joint press conference, but that had to have had an impact on MLG's planning there.
To add onto it the exact start time is unique to each team but several admitted to full time practicing sc2 the moment they were eliminated from the playoffs which was well longer than 1.5 months ago.
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Oh really? They've played the game for about a month, maybe a month in a half. There's no reason to send them into a pool of sharks.
I personally believe this partnership is a greedy and stupid move by MLG. They're just trying to monopolize SC E-Sports. Oh! Were here to help E-sports! Then they request an "exclusive-agreement".
It's all about business and bragging rights which is completely understandable, but at least be smart about it, by showing respect to the people who gave your organization a way to make a profit. Everybody know's the current Brood War players aren't ready to attend an event such as MLG. They've been playing SC2 for how long now? 1 1/2 months? While dual practicing for Brood War? For crying out loud, GIVE THEM TIME TO BREATHE! MLG is just hosting this event for some extra revenue, they could give a fuck less about the players reputation and criticism they will receive IF they don't meet the critics expectations. It wouldn't be a problem if they had of waited 6-12 months to do this event but while they're still practicing Brood War? Really?
People need to stop using the word monopoly for everything. Guess what, MLG has a monopoly on MLG events! OMG. A partnership with another organization isn't a monopoly, man.
You're acting like MLG is physically forcing these players against their will to do this, when really the only ones doing that are probably their coaches/Kespa. Do you know that the players don't want to do this/don't feel ready? Can you stop assuming how everyone involved in this deal feels? Maybe all 8 of these people really want to play for foreigners. Guess what, you don't know every side of the story
And also, organizations generally want to make money.
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Problem. This isn't even a BW Tournament, so all of that becomes void. These guys are still going to need a buttload of time with the current build. I don't know why the hell they don't just put the matches on the HotS build they're getting.
Then again, there's a lot of things that MLG does that just doesn't make sense.
On June 02 2012 21:46 Fionn wrote: I don't think OGN will do any SC2 singles tournament till October when they switch fully to SC2. Having a SC2OSL alongside the actual OSL would be unfair to the players still in the late states of the final BW OSL. And the games wouldn't really show us who is the best player because they're still practicing both games.
They might do it for the current SC2 players though.
I think that would be a bit of a slap in the face to the KeSpa players
Isn't OSL finish like at the end of July? So it might be possible to see the OSL for SC2 then, and BW pro would just reduce the practice time of BW to like 5% because Ace match in PL is SC2 anyway.
On June 02 2012 21:46 Fionn wrote: I don't think OGN will do any SC2 singles tournament till October when they switch fully to SC2. Having a SC2OSL alongside the actual OSL would be unfair to the players still in the late states of the final BW OSL. And the games wouldn't really show us who is the best player because they're still practicing both games.
They might do it for the current SC2 players though.
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Problem. This isn't even a BW Tournament, so all of that becomes void. These guys are still going to need a buttload of time with the current build. I don't know why the hell they don't just put the matches on the HotS build they're getting.
Then again, there's a lot of things that MLG does that just doesn't make sense.
They are going there to do some work for blizzard probably record ads for HOTS. Those showmatches they gonna play are just bonus I bet they dont even want to play.
On June 03 2012 04:40 StarStruck wrote: Now you guys are highlighting their KeSPA record?
What the fuck gives? They're not even playing BW, so why the fuck are you highlighting their BW records Adam? WTH. ._.
On June 01 2012 15:37 SealOverseer wrote:
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
Problem. This isn't even a BW Tournament, so all of that becomes void. These guys are still going to need a buttload of time with the current build. I don't know why the hell they don't just put the matches on the HotS build they're getting.
Then again, there's a lot of things that MLG does that just doesn't make sense.
They are going there to do some work for blizzard probably record ads for HOTS. Those showmatches they gonna play are just bonus I bet they dont even want to play.
How about instead of bitterly picking apart this event and looking at the glass half empty we try to flip it around.
For many of these players, they have never been to US or Anahiem for that matter. This will be their first MLG experience which is different from the typical Korean affair. They are getting all travel and hotel accomodations paid for, so this won't likely cost them much. Disney Land is across the street, I hear its alright. They get to see the hype the foreign scene has for them, even if it is BW, we still remember their accomplishments on the other side of the world. Even at their worst, they are going to be better then 99% of those spectating, so they won't embarass themselves. And they get a kind of insight into how an MLG event is run so that if they attend seriously in the future, they will know what to expect.
Not to mention they are almost certainly invited to the parties, barcrafts, and other festivities.
So I seriously doubt playing a handful of exhibition matchs one day and having the other 2.5 days to experiece everything above is weighing all that heavily on them.
On June 03 2012 04:40 zul wrote: Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, ... Fantasy, Stork, Calm ... reading this is weird. Those names have so much weight and all I do is hope for them to keep it.
They could screw it all up and it'd keep the weight. Remember Boxer?
On June 03 2012 04:40 zul wrote: Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, ... Fantasy, Stork, Calm ... reading this is weird. Those names have so much weight and all I do is hope for them to keep it.
They could screw it all up and it'd keep the weight. Remember Boxer?
You could even argue that the rise in popularity abroad got him a net increase in "weight" even with the decrease from hardcore BW fans or Korea.
Looks like OGN's going ahead with singles SC2 as planned. With the first SC2 OSL prelims next month, Anaheim was the only MLG venue that made sense for such an exhibition.
I feel like CJ is the team that get the most advantage out of the MLG Showmatch because they get to keep their best player (Effort) and send out Leta instead
On May 30 2012 16:36 SniXSniPe wrote: I hope that the BW Pros actually decide to compete in the open MLG Bracket
The entire purpose of this BW Tournament is to hype up even more the SC2 PL and the kespa-MLG partnership.
They want the dull, ignorant and clueless people to think "OMG FLASH VS JAEDONG SO GOOD WTFOMG JIZZ IN MY PANTS MY BODY IS NOT READY" and not "Oh god..Flash just got rolled by a codeB no namer and Jaedong got anally raped by Socke".
It would be against their interests to send BW pros in the open Bracket, because they would get utterly destroyed and it would lessen the hype by a great amount.
They want them to play against themselves so that the viewers can't properly tell their level of skill compared to the codeS level of play, and soon people will start nonsense like "omg did you see that Flash timing vs Soulkey? Could totally beat DRG with it"
You really say nasty things about Jaedong.
People really shouldn't be allowed to say such things about Jaedong. I think this is great though that it will introduce the BW Pros to the casual viewership that haven't seen them before. Kind of like Exhibition games.
On June 12 2012 03:57 Duskbane wrote: Is there any way I can go back and see these likely awesome games for free?
go here http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/live#sc2 around hour 28 of the rebroadcast is the kespa invitational. The best part was the player introductions at the begining.
On May 25 2012 10:40 Goldfish wrote: To put this into another perspective:
Most of them have played SC2 for only a month.
That means the first week after, they'll get 25% better before (1 month and 1 week of practice).
The next week, they'll get 20% better than before (5 weeks > 6 weeks).
And the next week they'll get about 17% better than before.
In other words, by the time MLG comes, they'll be almost twice as better than their SPL debut.
(Motive had 4 months of SC2 practice and he is already approximately Code A level. Effort has had 1 month and is almost Code A level. I think an extra month will significantly help them.)
i cant tell if you're serious
Hey I noticed Idra replied to this. Most of them did do almost twice as better than their SPL debut (well at least the Zergs and Flash did). (Also I'm not counting Jaedong's attempt at doing a queen nydus rush.)
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