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On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:On May 24 2012 12:43 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Can anyone elaborate on the "flak Day9 has been catching recently" (around 47:45 of the video) that IdrA's talking about? Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you.
because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money
to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community
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On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:On May 24 2012 12:43 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Can anyone elaborate on the "flak Day9 has been catching recently" (around 47:45 of the video) that IdrA's talking about? Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money
I'll repeat what I said in my previous post (which has been edited as I had more thoughts on the topic):
Exploitation would be him charging for a service and then not delivering on it. (For example, a subscriber-only daily in which all he does is play text twist instead of teaching us something about starcraft.)
He's not targeting his advertisement at young kids. He's not asking for an unreasonable sum of money. He's not promising something and not delivering on it. If you only want to donate to him to help him live through the month, and not to reward him for doing something extremely well, then you have to understand that you're making that decision without any real information. That's personal responsibility right there. I'd say $5 is a small price to pay for that lesson.
to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community
But that would be entirely his decision, and there would be nothing wrong with his choice either way. I think the other way from you; namely, that the financial loss he'd take from viewership / community respect losses he'd incur from charging $5 for a year or whatever would be nowhere near as large as the fiscal gain he'd make from those who chose to pay the $5.
What I'm saying is that he's not doing anything wrong by asking for donations. He's not saying "I'm poor, feed me." He's saying "If you like what I do, consider paying me for it if you can afford that." What on earth is wrong with that?
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mememolly, if i wanted to subscribe to Idra's stream, would i ask him to publish his exact finacial income for the year? No.
Stop acting like such a child.
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On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:On May 24 2012 12:43 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Can anyone elaborate on the "flak Day9 has been catching recently" (around 47:45 of the video) that IdrA's talking about? Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community
Oh, this is for the children. Think of the children soemone!
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On May 25 2012 02:01 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:
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Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community Oh, this is for the children. Think of the children soemone!
Poor Orphan Billy gave his last $5 to Day[9]...
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On May 25 2012 01:50 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:
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Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money I'll repeat what I said in my previous post (which has been edited as I had more thoughts on the topic): Exploitation would be him charging for a service and then not delivering on it. (For example, a subscriber-only daily in which all he does is play text twist instead of teaching us something about starcraft.) He's not targeting his advertisement at young kids. He's not asking for an unreasonable sum of money. He's not promising something and not delivering on it. If you only want to donate to him to help him live through the month, and not to reward him for doing something extremely well, then you have to understand that you're making that decision without any real information. That's personal responsibility right there. I'd say $5 is a small price to pay for that lesson.
I agree with this statement. Day9 never implies that you are going to get something out of donating. The idea that "do you like what you see, well you can through a few dollars my way if you want", is not new or bad in any way. The community has a way of taking a simple idea like that and turning into something else, such as Day9 begging for money while making 100K a year(which is also unconfirmed as far as I can tell).
Also, on the topic of Day9 and how much he makes, we have no idea what his overhead is. The community has a very limited concept of how much money is needed to be an independant media personality like Day9. The man has to cover everything from the ground up, health insurance, travel(which is sometimes covered, but AHGL is not paying for his car), PCs and streaming tech, internet, services to host his content(it costs money to host that much video). Also, student loans and the cost of living itself. Things like this start adding up really fast and it can be hard to tell how much Day9 or someone like him is paying out of pocket and or what costs are covered. He was recently invited to speak at MIT with several other leaders in the Esports world. We have no idea if his flight, hotel or food were covered by MIT, but I doubt it.
I am not making a pity plea for Day9. The man is attempting to make his way in the world and do it by promoting Esports. Being your own business is terrifying and we shouldn't blame him for trying to make a money where he can. The community needs to get away from the idea that people are either giving to the community for free or just in it for the money. It is not binary. People want to make a living providing the entertainment we love to watch and that takes money. Sometimes they might ask us for money and we need to get used to it. After all, we can always say no.
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Please don't turn this into another freaking day9 drama thread ...
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On May 25 2012 02:03 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:01 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:
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Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community Oh, this is for the children. Think of the children soemone! Poor Orphan Billy gave his last $5 to Day[9]...
How is he going to live a sustainable independent life below the age of 18 if he gave his money ):
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On May 25 2012 01:50 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:On May 24 2012 14:12 sAfuRos wrote:
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Day[9] asking for donations and money despite making well over $100,000 a year from his streams, casting, youtube channel, etc. (20k a casting gig). Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money I'll repeat what I said in my previous post (which has been edited as I had more thoughts on the topic): Exploitation would be him charging for a service and then not delivering on it. (For example, a subscriber-only daily in which all he does is play text twist instead of teaching us something about starcraft.) He's not targeting his advertisement at young kids. He's not asking for an unreasonable sum of money. He's not promising something and not delivering on it. If you only want to donate to him to help him live through the month, and not to reward him for doing something extremely well, then you have to understand that you're making that decision without any real information. That's personal responsibility right there. I'd say $5 is a small price to pay for that lesson. Show nested quote +to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community But that would be entirely his decision, and there would be nothing wrong with his choice either way. I think the other way from you; namely, that the financial loss he'd take from viewership / community respect losses he'd incur from charging $5 for a year or whatever would be nowhere near as large as the fiscal gain he'd make from those who chose to pay the $5. What I'm saying is that he's not doing anything wrong by asking for donations. He's not saying "I'm poor, feed me." He's saying "If you like what I do, consider paying me for it if you can afford that." What on earth is wrong with that?
the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
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On May 25 2012 02:04 Plansix wrote:
I am not making a pity plea for Day9. The man is attempting to make his way in the world and do it by promoting Esports. Being your own business is terrifying and we shouldn't blame him for trying to make a money where he can. The community needs to get away from the idea that people are either giving to the community for free or just in it for the money. It is not binary. People want to make a living providing the entertainment we love to watch and that takes money. Sometimes they might ask us for money and we need to get used to it. After all, we can always say no.
People forget how freaking hard it is to own your own business, and they also forget that even people who love something very much also need to make a living, part of making a living is making as much money as you can (within ethical boundaries) and nobody is going to say "Welp, I've made enough money for the year, I am now going to not make any more money because of THE LOVE."
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On May 25 2012 02:09 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:50 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:46 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:38 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:27 mememolly wrote:On May 25 2012 01:21 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 01:19 mememolly wrote:On May 24 2012 14:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 24 2012 14:20 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:16 Mr Showtime wrote:
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Don't just start throwing numbers out there that you can't be sure of. Day9's nebulous approach to describing his financial situation tends to rub people the wrong way. I (and nobody else) wants exact numbers from him. That would be an inappropriate request, but he should be more clear. He does make a lot of money from his content, but remember, a lot of that money will go back into stuff he produces (e.g. AHGL). Oh yeah, that league nobody cared about, and helped the community(or the industry, as he likes to call it) in no way. He probably got some sweet contacts off of it so again, cant really blame him. Also, people do want exact numbers from him. and they have no right to know what they are they kinda do when he is asking for money to help him live of esports Not really. He is not demanding donations with the assertion that he will starve to death if he doesn't get them. He's not holding his content hostage. He's just asking for people to pitch in if they feel like it. A person's income is entirely his own business. Nobody but the IRS has the right to know what somebody else makes. he doesn't have to demand donations, he is a very well respected member of the community, I think it is borderline exploitative and irresponsible to ask for donations without disclosing how much you're making Why on earth would disclosing your income be a requirement for asking for donations? That seems...absurdly arbitrary. You can easily choose not to donate. Every single person gets to make that choice. If they decide that the reason they do or don't want to donate hinges on his income, then that's their decision. If they want to donate because they appreciate what he does for the community, regardless of how much he already makes, that's their decision too. It seems horribly entitled to expect something from him when he's not expecting anything from you. because a lot of people in the community are young kids who may not be able to distinguish between someone who needs the money to live and someone who just would like some money I'll repeat what I said in my previous post (which has been edited as I had more thoughts on the topic): Exploitation would be him charging for a service and then not delivering on it. (For example, a subscriber-only daily in which all he does is play text twist instead of teaching us something about starcraft.) He's not targeting his advertisement at young kids. He's not asking for an unreasonable sum of money. He's not promising something and not delivering on it. If you only want to donate to him to help him live through the month, and not to reward him for doing something extremely well, then you have to understand that you're making that decision without any real information. That's personal responsibility right there. I'd say $5 is a small price to pay for that lesson. to answer your other point, he could charge for the daily but he would lose market share and his position in the community (which is worth money because he gets invited to events/casting etc) because there are people who would undercut him and be willing to do it for free because they know it will give them a better foothold in the community But that would be entirely his decision, and there would be nothing wrong with his choice either way. I think the other way from you; namely, that the financial loss he'd take from viewership / community respect losses he'd incur from charging $5 for a year or whatever would be nowhere near as large as the fiscal gain he'd make from those who chose to pay the $5. What I'm saying is that he's not doing anything wrong by asking for donations. He's not saying "I'm poor, feed me." He's saying "If you like what I do, consider paying me for it if you can afford that." What on earth is wrong with that? the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
www.teamliquid.net they can ask if they think so.
You're now thinking for others and presuming. first the children, now the easily naive and mislead
You're a real hero aren't you?
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On May 25 2012 02:09 mememolly wrote:
the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
But that's not his problem. That's their problem. He's not being intentionally misleading to try to get sympathy donations, he's asking for volunteers to pay him for his service. And even if he was, and they did mistakenly donate $5, presumably they had an extra $5 to burn, and they're not going to be evicted or kicked out of college, or else they're literally the dumbest people I can imagine.
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On May 25 2012 02:11 Vega62a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:09 mememolly wrote:
the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
But that's not his problem. That's their problem. He's not being intentionally misleading to try to get sympathy donations, he's asking for volunteers to pay him for his service. And even if he was, and they did mistakenly donate $5, presumably they had an extra $5 to burn, and they're not going to be evicted or kicked out of college, or else they're literally the dumbest people I can imagine.
he's not intentionally misleading anyone but he isn't doing anything to prevent misleading anyone either
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On May 25 2012 02:19 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:11 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 02:09 mememolly wrote:
the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
But that's not his problem. That's their problem. He's not being intentionally misleading to try to get sympathy donations, he's asking for volunteers to pay him for his service. And even if he was, and they did mistakenly donate $5, presumably they had an extra $5 to burn, and they're not going to be evicted or kicked out of college, or else they're literally the dumbest people I can imagine. he's not intentionally misleading anyone but he isn't doing anything to prevent misleading anyone either
That's 100% not his responsibility. People are going to mislead themselves if they really feel like it, and he neither can nor should be expected to do anything about that.
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On May 25 2012 02:19 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:11 Vega62a wrote:On May 25 2012 02:09 mememolly wrote:
the thing is some people do read it as "I'm poor fed me" and that is the problem
But that's not his problem. That's their problem. He's not being intentionally misleading to try to get sympathy donations, he's asking for volunteers to pay him for his service. And even if he was, and they did mistakenly donate $5, presumably they had an extra $5 to burn, and they're not going to be evicted or kicked out of college, or else they're literally the dumbest people I can imagine. he's not intentionally misleading anyone but he isn't doing anything to prevent misleading anyone either
The word "donate" should pretty much handle that. If you want to donate something, you should know your not getting anything back. You cannot prevent people from misleading themselves or not taking the time to read something fully. In my work experience in the legal field, even seasoned professionals still neglect to read documents fully or simply assume things that just not true. It is the nature of how people are.
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Really awesome show  Love it so far, keep up the great work JP! Cant wait for the next one
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ROFL @ how badly mememolly is getting destroyed in this thread. The Orphan Billy comment takes the cake IMO. This is a great example of the reasonable fans stepping in and drowning out the vocal minority that likes to stir up controversy and get their panties bunched over trivial things. He now has resorted to one-line responses that don't really address the main points against him and really just are not intelligent responses to be honest.
Looking forward to more posts countering the vocal minority in this thread in this thread and others .
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Great interview. Next one better be Naniwa so he can tell his side of the conflict between him and Idra. Though, i dont think you want to because that might look bad for Idra; who is one of your friends in the scene... Fuck the haters Naniwa <3
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I liked the Idra interview, but the first part seemed so unnecessary and then JP tried to get Idra to talk about Nani again when he asked for people that he thought deserved the flack they get. It was pretty good overall but those parts left me with a bad taste.
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On May 25 2012 03:08 Weson wrote:
Great interview. Next one better be Naniwa so he can tell his side of the conflict between him and Idra. Though, i dont think you want to because that might look bad for Idra; who is one of your friends in the scene... Fuck the haters Naniwa <3
Do you REALLY want to hear naniwa talk for an hour ? Damn I already want to kill myself when he does 5 mins interviews so meh
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