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On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game.
who gives a shit about taking an MLG? is that all anyone cares about??
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Awesome pickup by ROOT and another reason why I love ROOT. Always picking up players due to their great potential and then unleashing them into the scene. Looking forward to seeing RotterdaM's progress!
ROOT Fighting!
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Didn't have to open the thread to know there would be a lot of Debby Downers in here. It's amazing to have a top level caster doing anything to get better at playing. To all the pessimists, I will say it's very possible for Rotterdam to succeed at some level as a player. Sc2 is a game of decisions. If you practice enough and change your play style regularly, anything is possible.
GL Rotterdam.
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Haha, that's awesome! So looking forward to seeing Rotti play!
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Rotterdam fighting! Cant wait to see how well he gets now!!!
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you have my respect because as well as being a caster you play the game at a decently high level unlike most casters, I like that you are a calm relaxed guy that doesnt get bothered too much by most things
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On May 22 2012 17:00 TheDraken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game. who gives a shit about taking an MLG? is that all anyone cares about??
who gives a shit about the first paragraph? is that all anyone cares about??
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awesome, quit casting drunk 
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On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game.
Several points worth making.
From what I can tell, ROOT isn't trying to win tournaments right off the bat. They're a team owned by the players and to simply survive they need entertaining/charismatic personalities to help them get viewers, sponsorships, and popularity. Rotterdam is both entertaining and charismatic and he gives ROOT a HUGE amount of exposure by also working at NASL. From a business standpoint it's an incredibly smart pickup.
Second of all, it's not so much about how many hours Rotterdam spends practicing - it's the quality of practice he gives himself. Look at Stephano - he claims to only practice 4 hours a day. Or look at Grubby, who casts for MLG, and multiple times has run his own tournament. NASL may be more taxing, but if Rotterdam uses his practice time effectively I believe he'll have enough to improve a lot.
Finally, Rotterdam isn't some upstart NA ladder GM. Read this interview: http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=40. He worked a great deal with Grubby upon entering the WC3 scene and clearly knows how to be a top pro-gamer, including how to train very effectively. If Rotterdam is dedicated to improving, he'll be able to do it, no doubt. And no, he's not going to win an MLG, but I expect with the right amount of training he'll be able to take games off of some pretty good opponents. And who knows, maybe he'll actually get really good - he's got lots of incredibly skilled friends in the pro-scene.
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Can't wait to see him stream, go Rotti!
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Yes we get more Rotti!
Your streaming earlier was awesome.
<3
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woot woot. really nice =) Rotti fighting ~
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ROOT just keeps getting better! Can't wait to see them compete.
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On May 23 2012 03:31 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game. Several points worth making. From what I can tell, ROOT isn't trying to win tournaments right off the bat. They're a team owned by the players and to simply survive they need entertaining/charismatic personalities to help them get viewers, sponsorships, and popularity. Rotterdam is both entertaining and charismatic and he gives ROOT a HUGE amount of exposure by also working at NASL. From a business standpoint it's an incredibly smart pickup. Second of all, it's not so much about how many hours Rotterdam spends practicing - it's the quality of practice he gives himself. Look at Stephano - he claims to only practice 4 hours a day. Or look at Grubby, who casts for MLG, and multiple times has run his own tournament. NASL may be more taxing, but if Rotterdam uses his practice time effectively I believe he'll have enough to improve a lot. Finally, Rotterdam isn't some upstart NA ladder GM. Read this interview: http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=40. He worked a great deal with Grubby upon entering the WC3 scene and clearly knows how to be a top pro-gamer, including how to train very effectively. If Rotterdam is dedicated to improving, he'll be able to do it, no doubt. And no, he's not going to win an MLG, but I expect with the right amount of training he'll be able to take games off of some pretty good opponents. And who knows, maybe he'll actually get really good - he's got lots of incredibly skilled friends in the pro-scene.
Your first point is very valid. He's a good addition to any team due to the exposure he's providing (just like Catz) However, as you (unlike TheDraken, reading comprehension ftl, eh?) are very well aware, I was commenting on Rottis time constraints. Now I can't speak from personal experience and I'd appreciate a professionals opinion on this, but your entire "maybe if he practices efficiently" paragraph sounds very naive.
Maybe Stephano claimed that he only practices 4 hours daily. However, he also said that he doesn't do anything but Starcraft 2 in his life. So take that with a grain of salt.
And even if this was true, certainly Stephano is proving to be an exception. Compared to any other progamer (Korean progamers have been on a 10+ hours practice schedule for years) Rotti will be at a huge disadvantage.
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This is neat to see. ROOT is actually becoming a real team this time(twitch sponsership; more will follow I imagine)! That was really the only thing holding them back before; I guess all it needed was time...
Rotti is half of my favorite casting duo and I couldn't be happier to see him keep his competitive gaming side. It's stupid for people to say stuff like "he'll never win an MLG or anything". The guy is constantly busy and he has skill. That and ROOT always seemed more of a family than a super competetive(not that they aren't) team. Good place for him to land.
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On May 24 2012 00:30 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 03:31 Swords wrote:On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game. Several points worth making. From what I can tell, ROOT isn't trying to win tournaments right off the bat. They're a team owned by the players and to simply survive they need entertaining/charismatic personalities to help them get viewers, sponsorships, and popularity. Rotterdam is both entertaining and charismatic and he gives ROOT a HUGE amount of exposure by also working at NASL. From a business standpoint it's an incredibly smart pickup. Second of all, it's not so much about how many hours Rotterdam spends practicing - it's the quality of practice he gives himself. Look at Stephano - he claims to only practice 4 hours a day. Or look at Grubby, who casts for MLG, and multiple times has run his own tournament. NASL may be more taxing, but if Rotterdam uses his practice time effectively I believe he'll have enough to improve a lot. Finally, Rotterdam isn't some upstart NA ladder GM. Read this interview: http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=40. He worked a great deal with Grubby upon entering the WC3 scene and clearly knows how to be a top pro-gamer, including how to train very effectively. If Rotterdam is dedicated to improving, he'll be able to do it, no doubt. And no, he's not going to win an MLG, but I expect with the right amount of training he'll be able to take games off of some pretty good opponents. And who knows, maybe he'll actually get really good - he's got lots of incredibly skilled friends in the pro-scene. Your first point is very valid. He's a good addition to any team due to the exposure he's providing (just like Catz) However, as you (unlike TheDraken, reading comprehension ftl, eh?) are very well aware, I was commenting on Rottis time constraints. Now I can't speak from personal experience and I'd appreciate a professionals opinion on this, but your entire "maybe if he practices efficiently" paragraph sounds very naive. Maybe Stephano claimed that he only practices 4 hours daily. However, he also said that he doesn't do anything but Starcraft 2 in his life. So take that with a grain of salt. And even if this was true, certainly Stephano is proving to be an exception. Compared to any other progamer (Korean progamers have been on a 10+ hours practice schedule for years) Rotti will be at a huge disadvantage.
I am certainly not a professional, so I can't answer for sure, but I've heard a lot of pros talk about practicing efficiently (qxc and Naniwa are two examples that come to mind). Of course those guys practice efficiently for 8 hours or more at a time - so there's no doubt Rotterdam's at a disadvantage. If everyone is spending their entire day practicing effectively then Rotterdam just has less time than everyone. So I definitely agree with you that Rotti's at a disadvantage.
I just don't know how big a disadvantage it really is. I guess it all depends on how much of a drain NASL is on his day. If Rotti gets the avg amount of sleep most people do (ie: 8 hrs) he's got 16 hours for NASL and practice. I doubt NASL takes so much time that he couldn't dedicate himself to some pretty huge chunks of practice if he wanted to. That being said, there's a whole lot of ifs here and no real way to know. Unless Rotterdam hops into this thread and tells us his daily schedule - which seems kind of unnecessary 
Either way I don't imagine he's going to win much at all over the next year or so. He's a fine player and caster, but it takes a long time to really get to pro-level. Looking at Grubby or Moon it's still a hard transition even if you can dedicate yourself full time and you're a former WC3 pro (and we're talking the best of the best with those two).
And regardless he's really fun to watch.
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Idk if ya'll should pay someone to Voidray allin every game. jk <3 rotty gl I will be cheering for you man!
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On May 24 2012 00:44 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 00:30 Monsen wrote:On May 23 2012 03:31 Swords wrote:On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game. Several points worth making. From what I can tell, ROOT isn't trying to win tournaments right off the bat. They're a team owned by the players and to simply survive they need entertaining/charismatic personalities to help them get viewers, sponsorships, and popularity. Rotterdam is both entertaining and charismatic and he gives ROOT a HUGE amount of exposure by also working at NASL. From a business standpoint it's an incredibly smart pickup. Second of all, it's not so much about how many hours Rotterdam spends practicing - it's the quality of practice he gives himself. Look at Stephano - he claims to only practice 4 hours a day. Or look at Grubby, who casts for MLG, and multiple times has run his own tournament. NASL may be more taxing, but if Rotterdam uses his practice time effectively I believe he'll have enough to improve a lot. Finally, Rotterdam isn't some upstart NA ladder GM. Read this interview: http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=40. He worked a great deal with Grubby upon entering the WC3 scene and clearly knows how to be a top pro-gamer, including how to train very effectively. If Rotterdam is dedicated to improving, he'll be able to do it, no doubt. And no, he's not going to win an MLG, but I expect with the right amount of training he'll be able to take games off of some pretty good opponents. And who knows, maybe he'll actually get really good - he's got lots of incredibly skilled friends in the pro-scene. Your first point is very valid. He's a good addition to any team due to the exposure he's providing (just like Catz) However, as you (unlike TheDraken, reading comprehension ftl, eh?) are very well aware, I was commenting on Rottis time constraints. Now I can't speak from personal experience and I'd appreciate a professionals opinion on this, but your entire "maybe if he practices efficiently" paragraph sounds very naive. Maybe Stephano claimed that he only practices 4 hours daily. However, he also said that he doesn't do anything but Starcraft 2 in his life. So take that with a grain of salt. And even if this was true, certainly Stephano is proving to be an exception. Compared to any other progamer (Korean progamers have been on a 10+ hours practice schedule for years) Rotti will be at a huge disadvantage. I am certainly not a professional, so I can't answer for sure, but I've heard a lot of pros talk about practicing efficiently (qxc and Naniwa are two examples that come to mind). Of course those guys practice efficiently for 8 hours or more at a time - so there's no doubt Rotterdam's at a disadvantage. If everyone is spending their entire day practicing effectively then Rotterdam just has less time than everyone. So I definitely agree with you that Rotti's at a disadvantage. I just don't know how big a disadvantage it really is. I guess it all depends on how much of a drain NASL is on his day. If Rotti gets the avg amount of sleep most people do (ie: 8 hrs) he's got 16 hours for NASL and practice. I doubt NASL takes so much time that he couldn't dedicate himself to some pretty huge chunks of practice if he wanted to. That being said, there's a whole lot of ifs here and no real way to know. Unless Rotterdam hops into this thread and tells us his daily schedule - which seems kind of unnecessary Either way I don't imagine he's going to win much at all over the next year or so. He's a fine player and caster, but it takes a long time to really get to pro-level. Looking at Grubby or Moon it's still a hard transition even if you can dedicate yourself full time and you're a former WC3 pro (and we're talking the best of the best with those two). And regardless he's really fun to watch.
I work 5 days a week, from wednesday to sunday, on average 9 hours a day. Most days from 11 or 12 till 10 PM, on every 2nd wednesday I come in at 9 but can leave a bit earlier ;p. It will be hard but it's not like I won't have satisfaction from competing if I don't win a MLG. There are so many online tournaments and awesome team leagues, if I can play in those and get a 50%+ record I'll be more than happy ^_^
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On May 24 2012 02:35 RotterdaM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 00:44 Swords wrote:On May 24 2012 00:30 Monsen wrote:On May 23 2012 03:31 Swords wrote:On May 22 2012 16:24 Jetaap wrote:On May 22 2012 15:24 TheDraken wrote:On May 22 2012 15:11 Monsen wrote:
Like the guy, don't like his chances as a gamer though. There's no way he'll be able to commit the time needed to succeed. always someone to talk down on a person's achievement... i'm waiting for the day when i read a thread and people don't feel the need to throw in the classic "i doubt he has what it takes" or "there are players much better than him, but gl anyway" or "he's really only good at his previous activity, i doubt he'll be any good" or "he doesn't have the focus" every. single. thread. all aside, rotti is awesome. he should do whatever the hell he wants and ROOT is one of the best choices for a team. It has nothing to do with rotterdam's achievement, only with the fact that he is a full time caster for NASL (i don't know if you realised it but NASL produces a LOT of content, so he probably has to work a lot). It's hard to become one of the top players if you can't dedicate yourself completly to it. I think that it's awesome to have him try to play competitively, I just don't expect him to win an MLG because of the limited time in can put into playing the game. Several points worth making. From what I can tell, ROOT isn't trying to win tournaments right off the bat. They're a team owned by the players and to simply survive they need entertaining/charismatic personalities to help them get viewers, sponsorships, and popularity. Rotterdam is both entertaining and charismatic and he gives ROOT a HUGE amount of exposure by also working at NASL. From a business standpoint it's an incredibly smart pickup. Second of all, it's not so much about how many hours Rotterdam spends practicing - it's the quality of practice he gives himself. Look at Stephano - he claims to only practice 4 hours a day. Or look at Grubby, who casts for MLG, and multiple times has run his own tournament. NASL may be more taxing, but if Rotterdam uses his practice time effectively I believe he'll have enough to improve a lot. Finally, Rotterdam isn't some upstart NA ladder GM. Read this interview: http://www.wcreplays.com/page?section=interviews&id=40. He worked a great deal with Grubby upon entering the WC3 scene and clearly knows how to be a top pro-gamer, including how to train very effectively. If Rotterdam is dedicated to improving, he'll be able to do it, no doubt. And no, he's not going to win an MLG, but I expect with the right amount of training he'll be able to take games off of some pretty good opponents. And who knows, maybe he'll actually get really good - he's got lots of incredibly skilled friends in the pro-scene. Your first point is very valid. He's a good addition to any team due to the exposure he's providing (just like Catz) However, as you (unlike TheDraken, reading comprehension ftl, eh?) are very well aware, I was commenting on Rottis time constraints. Now I can't speak from personal experience and I'd appreciate a professionals opinion on this, but your entire "maybe if he practices efficiently" paragraph sounds very naive. Maybe Stephano claimed that he only practices 4 hours daily. However, he also said that he doesn't do anything but Starcraft 2 in his life. So take that with a grain of salt. And even if this was true, certainly Stephano is proving to be an exception. Compared to any other progamer (Korean progamers have been on a 10+ hours practice schedule for years) Rotti will be at a huge disadvantage. I am certainly not a professional, so I can't answer for sure, but I've heard a lot of pros talk about practicing efficiently (qxc and Naniwa are two examples that come to mind). Of course those guys practice efficiently for 8 hours or more at a time - so there's no doubt Rotterdam's at a disadvantage. If everyone is spending their entire day practicing effectively then Rotterdam just has less time than everyone. So I definitely agree with you that Rotti's at a disadvantage. I just don't know how big a disadvantage it really is. I guess it all depends on how much of a drain NASL is on his day. If Rotti gets the avg amount of sleep most people do (ie: 8 hrs) he's got 16 hours for NASL and practice. I doubt NASL takes so much time that he couldn't dedicate himself to some pretty huge chunks of practice if he wanted to. That being said, there's a whole lot of ifs here and no real way to know. Unless Rotterdam hops into this thread and tells us his daily schedule - which seems kind of unnecessary Either way I don't imagine he's going to win much at all over the next year or so. He's a fine player and caster, but it takes a long time to really get to pro-level. Looking at Grubby or Moon it's still a hard transition even if you can dedicate yourself full time and you're a former WC3 pro (and we're talking the best of the best with those two). And regardless he's really fun to watch. I work 5 days a week, from wednesday to sunday, on average 9 hours a day. Most days from 11 or 12 till 10 PM, on every 2nd wednesday I come in at 9 but can leave a bit earlier ;p. It will be hard but it's not like I won't have satisfaction from competing if I don't win a MLG. There are so many online tournaments and awesome team leagues, if I can play in those and get a 50%+ record I'll be more than happy ^_^
Awww Rotterdam! You didn't have to tell us your daily schedule!
That's sick though, I had no idea NASL production took so much time (I guess I'm kind of naive about this stuff), but it's great you guys put so much into it - this season has been awesome.
I'm really looking forward to watching you play for ROOT, and I think you're a fantastic addition to the team. Best of luck to you!
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