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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
It's from by.FlaSh's Facebook /its not his ,its a fan one/ http://drop.sc/178342 Its not 100% confirmed but Kawaii says GG God at the end..and this is the same account from the one that GTR showed FlaSh playing in the gaming house. So i think its legit. UPDATE 1. THE GAME CASTED / Thanks for the PM Lowko | ||
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pAnJayK
Switzerland56 Posts
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote: If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/ I agree 100%. | ||
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BumsenDK
Denmark137 Posts
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote: If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/ As a huge flash fan I can't get enough of it. I still want to see him going out of BW on a high though.  | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote: If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/ I agree, but I don't have a problem with it.  | ||
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Darkman
United States64 Posts
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
That's very fast already! | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
i dont agree 100%. many people including myself and you too refresh TL many many times an hour looking for new content or discussion to read. however i dont enjoy opening an old thread in hopes of new content and finding spam trolls. i can refresh. see a fresh replay from whoever, Its not like new threads are booming nonstop and its out of control. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:15 Ryps wrote: I like how Flash's facebook aint even run by him, more like a fanclub. That's the point of a Korean proteam, let the player's life be about the game and only the game. | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:14 BumsenDK wrote: 40 apm flash.. seems unlikely. Flash has never been insanely fast player. | ||
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
I mean its pretty good for now | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:17 Warillions wrote: i dont agree 100%. many people including myself and you too refresh TL many many times an hour looking for new content or discussion to read. however i dont enjoy opening an old thread in hopes of new content and finding spam trolls. i can refresh. see a fresh replay from whoever, Its not like new threads are booming nonstop and its out of control. Problem is there is going to be alot of leaked replays in the future, it will be pretty anoying to see these threads come up all the time which is why compiling them into 1 thread would make it alot less anoying to look at He still had very good mechanics, he just wasent known for being fast if you compaire him to jaedong for instance. Does not mean he was this slow | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
He still had very good mechanics, he just wasent known for being fast if you compaire him to jaedong for instance. Does not mean he was this slow ...236 apm is not at all slow... | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:18 ragnorr wrote: Problem is there is going to be alot of leaked replays in the future, it will be pretty anoying to see these threads come up all the time which is why compiling them into 1 thread would make it alot less anoying to look at He still had very good mechanics, he just wasent known for being fast if you compaire him to jaedong for instance. Does not mean he was this slow Yeah I don't mean that he is slow or anything like that. Of course he is fast player, but not someone who spams with 400 APM. | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Simply insane that he can beat a well established pro like KawaiiRice after only a few months with the game. I'm not surprised at all by this. You're talking about Flash... he was a god at BW which was much more demanding than sc2. If i can do it a god like Flash should have no problem. I'm so pumped to see what he can do. :D On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote: If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/ It's a big deal. Probably the biggest deal that has happened in SC2 since the game was first announced. Don't underestimate flash. :D | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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Drinc
Sweden98 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:18 ragnorr wrote: Problem is there is going to be alot of leaked replays in the future, it will be pretty anoying to see these threads come up all the time which is why compiling them into 1 thread would make it alot less anoying to look at He still had very good mechanics, he just wasent known for being fast if you compaire him to jaedong for instance. Does not mean he was this slow I don't know about you, but seeing "Bisu plays Bomber replay" won't be annoying. | ||
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NaEjeOn88
United States134 Posts
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
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Ripebananaa
Canada129 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:23 Tippecanoe wrote: It is kawaii rice. He was streaming when the game happened. Of course it's Kawaii rice, that's not being questioned. The concern it whether that's actually Flash.. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
The hotkey setup is the same. 1-2 for army 4 Raxes 5 Factories 6 Starports 0 Orbitals Luckily both the replay and the VOD features TvT on Cloud Kingdom. Kawaii's opponent employs the same tactics as in the VOD. Marines into fast medivacs and then tanks. Hard 2 base aggression pushing his opponents 3rd base. He delays his own 3rd quite a bit, but in both games it pays off and secures the win. Notice that the drops into the main happens in both games when he has managed to push the opponent back to his nat. The rallying of units across the map is the same. I would say that the replay is featuring Flash without a doubt. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:14 BumsenDK wrote: 40 apm flash.. seems unlikely. maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : ) | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34488 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:33 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : ) Or with just 1 hand? HMM. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:33 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : ) You have to remember Sc2 requires far less APM especially early game, and this is Flash he doesn't spam shit to keep APM high he just is accurate and efficient with his apm. Which by the end is at like 246? Thats not exactly slow.... not insanely fast but not slow by any means. Also he was probably just playing with his feet | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 starcraft911 wrote: I watched the replay and it looked like 2 1k level AM masters playing. Flash's APM was pretty low, but that doesn't mean it's not him. The thing that I noticed that made me think it was him is that he hotkeyed his fac and port separate from the raxes. From the interview flash said he kept his hotkeys from bw. His eapm was 186 and krice's was 174(with 2.5times flash's redundancy),i 'd say he is pretty fast he just has the lowest spam ratio i have seen. | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 starcraft911 wrote: I watched the replay and it looked like 2 1k level AM masters playing. Flash's APM was pretty low, but that doesn't mean it's not him. The thing that I noticed that made me think it was him is that he hotkeyed his fac and port separate from the raxes. From the interview flash said he kept his hotkeys from bw. At a glance it may look like that. Trust me, I'm a master league terran. The mechanics of Kawaii's opponent is super solid. A lot better than the players I would face on ladder , LOL. See my post above for a more detailed analysis of why it most likely IS Flash. edit: It is funny that people are more obsessed about apm and eapm than actually looking at what is important. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
1) Flash mis-rallied several troops to the right side during his first push on Kawaiirice. I believe he intended to rally them to the left side where he was attacking. 2) Flash supply blocks himself multiple times during the game. Some people say SC2 has a skillcap ceiling compared to BW. Granted Flash is new to SC2 and is not used to the game and interface, I doubt any pro, Flash included, will ever hit SC2's skillcap ceiling. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 starcraft911 wrote: I watched the replay and it looked like 2 1k level AM masters playing. Flash's APM was pretty low, but that doesn't mean it's not him. The thing that I noticed that made me think it was him is that he hotkeyed his fac and port separate from the raxes. From the interview flash said he kept his hotkeys from bw. Edit: Wow apparently I missed a whole bunch of stuff. Gonna re watch then give my two cents | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
While drinking some Pocari Sweat and ajusting the keyboard with a ruler. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote: lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO It's God's replay. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote: lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO You're famous now ^ ^ Tee hee hee <3 | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
It's a replay. | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:21 iAmJeffReY wrote: lol Was this after the 45 or so minute TvP KRice played where the epic nuke killed the protoss entire army? ...236 apm is not at all slow... gotta remember this is in blizzard time. Idk the exact conversion, but this is pretty fast. Flash wasn't known for being slow in BW. Stork and Savior were considered the outliers for slow players who could still dominate, and they both had well over 200 real time apm. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
Like MKP vs Thorzain MLG winter champ 20min game on Shakuras MKP 183 with 27% Thorzain 136 , 17% | ||
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
that show us God playing!...seriously now stop pretending this is not important.. its hugeee.. it could be the first replay of one of the best players ever in the history of rts games (if not the best.. ) playing sc2. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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sAsThark
France27 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/637550flash.jpg) As you can see, it's a human, not God | ||
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Sacrilege
United States199 Posts
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
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Skaminator
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shz
Germany2687 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 starcraft911 wrote: I watched the replay and it looked like 2 1k level AM masters playing. Flash's APM was pretty low, but that doesn't mean it's not him. The thing that I noticed that made me think it was him is that he hotkeyed his fac and port separate from the raxes. From the interview flash said he kept his hotkeys from bw. I think what he meant is, that he uses the BW construction hotkeys. M for Marine etc. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
He made some 'stupid' mistakes that someone that doesn't know every single thing about the game would make. But his mechanics were pretty damn strong. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Some arguments on why it may not be flash: - looking at first person view, when kawaiirice's reaper/scv first appeared on minimap, took a good 10+ seconds for player to even scroll over to them and respond to them. Flash should have better awareness imho. - Maybe a bit nitpicky, but it would've been pretty easy to trap the (very injured) two reapers after they did damage with the marines sitting on the low ground, he let them get away. - at 9:30, blue player view, player doesn't even notice the red blob that appears on the minimap, or check composition, the marines just autofire. Again, awareness is something that is pretty basic, and you'd expect Flash to be more aware. -at around 12:45 or so, it was pretty clear from a fpv (to me anyways) that blue wasn't going to do further damage, but blue continued donating units (could have loaded up and ran). This could be an experience thing though, most of us here probably have more hours playing sc2/watching sc2 vods than flash would and so can maybe guage a winnable fight better? not sure. This could also have been a mis-rally, or just an experience mistake, so I'm not investing too much in this observation. Some nice stuff: when encountering red marine blob in a bad position at 10:30, the stim run back, reposition on high ground was really fast and cool. set blue up for being able to control the flow of the game and eventually win. the final engagement was obviously really well done. Very flash-esque stuff: the drop play/positioning was very stylistically reminiscent of the FPVOD. EDIT: After rewatching the FPVOD with him playing on cloud kingdom, there were also a couple cases of 'oops minimap' too (while macroing), not so major as in the replay though... *shrugs* | ||
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Zerum
Sweden348 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:20 shz wrote: I think what he meant is, that he uses the BW construction hotkeys. M for Marine etc. No, when you ask a BW player bout hotkeys there talking about the controll group keys. This is a thing that is kinda uniqe for most player. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:21 iAmJeffReY wrote: lol Was this after the 45 or so minute TvP KRice played where the epic nuke killed the protoss entire army? ...236 apm is not at all slow... Flash's BW apm is usually in the 300-400 range, so while 236 isn't "slow" it certainly suggests Flash hasn't totally gotten used to the way SC2 works. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:11 sAsThark wrote: I have a proof it's not Flash As you can see, it's a human, not God I have a proof you are a retard ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hKMdn.png) As you can see, you are a retard User was warned for this post | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:40 synapse wrote: Flash's BW apm is usually in the 300-400 range, so while 236 isn't "slow" it certainly suggests Flash hasn't totally gotten used to the way SC2 works. does 236 SC2 apm not convert to somewhere within the 300-400 'real time' apm range? Seems like it should be close, or maybe i have it backwards, and 236 is actually smaller in 'real time' | ||
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Furbie
United Kingdom12 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:40 synapse wrote: Flash's BW apm is usually in the 300-400 range, so while 236 isn't "slow" it certainly suggests Flash hasn't totally gotten used to the way SC2 works. The apm shown in a replay is actually quite a bit lower in SC2 than Brood War due to it being measured in ingame minutes and not real minutes. So if my calculations are correct 236 SC2 apm is actually 326 Brood War apm. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
The fact that the FPSVod is down and that the account isn't playing anymore put its over 9/10 maybe. I find it interesting he went CC first and that he was eager to take a 3rd and 4th. He was well ahead at the 12 minute mark, but he took his time. Maybe he knew it was his last game on that account once KawaiiRice said "Flash?" Just one game, but an amazing find by KawaiiRice. Now we can measure his rate of ascent | ||
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Bonkerz
United States831 Posts
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Garmer
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:44 FallDownMarigold wrote: does 236 SC2 apm not convert to somewhere within the 300-400 'real time' apm range? Seems like it should be close, or maybe i have it backwards, and 236 is actually smaller in 'real time' No, you're correct. The games are played on 'faster' which is a bit faster than normal time. If we say an in-game minute is 45 seconds of real time, then 240 actions in an in-game minute is 240*1.33 = 320apm real-time. | ||
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dextrin303
Sweden320 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
Most current SC2 pros seem to always siege tanks in even smaller battles and "getting caught unsieged" is a pretty big deal. I'm assuming he does it for increased dps particularly against units that can get up close to the tanks, but it seems a bit strange that he wouldn't siege against stimmed marines, particularly in some of the decent sized engagements in both TvTs we have of him. | ||
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Shardz
United States349 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:56 phyren wrote: gotta remember this is in blizzard time. Idk the exact conversion, but this is pretty fast. Flash wasn't known for being slow in BW. Stork and Savior were considered the outliers for slow players who could still dominate, and they both had well over 200 real time apm. Blizz, in all their wisdom mixed up their in game APM/eAPM around. To find out your APM, you take the in game "eAPM" and times it by 1.38 and that gets your APM in normal time. EX. My eAPM in a replay is 150 x 1.38 = 207 APM | ||
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
No, when you ask a BW player bout hotkeys there talking about the controll group keys. This is a thing that is kinda uniqe for most player. LOL, he actually meant that he uses M for marine, like in bw. Not 1 for army, etc. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
They had basically the same army composition, except Flash had 4+ extra medivacs and lost very few of them. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 starcraft911 wrote: I watched the replay and it looked like 2 1k level AM masters playing. Flash's APM was pretty low, but that doesn't mean it's not him. The thing that I noticed that made me think it was him is that he hotkeyed his fac and port separate from the raxes. From the interview flash said he kept his hotkeys from bw. Flash APM was never maent to be high, however his efficiency is astonishing its only 20% redundancy which i doubt any 1k level master have. | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
Even if the player had super high apm it wouldn't mean that it was Flash. If something , this is a good example how little apm matters. The implication only goes one way. High level play -> high apm High apm does not imply high level play What is important is the obvious similarities between the replay and the FPVOD. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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calvinL
Canada416 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:55 Aunvilgod wrote: Does anybody else think he is surprisingly aggressive? Despite people calling Flash a turtle terran, he has also been the most successful aggressive terran for the past two years. He can pretty much play any style and still win. | ||
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On May 13 2012 03:26 calvinL wrote: Despite people calling Flash a turtle terran, he has also been the most successful aggressive terran for the past two years. He can pretty much play any style and still win. In the interview thread, he even said that marines and marauders fit his style. It would be very weird to see a player who favored bio to be turtling all that much. | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:55 Aunvilgod wrote: Does anybody else think he is surprisingly aggressive? Not surprising in the least. He is ALSO known for his "imba" scans and simply rolling out at tight timings to outright kill his opponents. | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:13 vnlegend wrote: This is a pretty average level replay. KawaiiRice didn't even play that well. I lol'ed at all the praises in this thread. It's like watching Code B or lower level play. Yea it's absolutely terrible that someone who just picked up the game is at Code B level and managed to beat a pro who has been playing since beta. The fact that he is already at average level play IS what is impressive. | ||
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EonuS
Slovenia186 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:13 vnlegend wrote: This is a pretty average level replay. KawaiiRice didn't even play that well. I lol'ed at all the praises in this thread. It's like watching Code B or lower level play. yeah, I mean what is going on, we live in a world where we can download skills immediately into our brains and be fully compactible with them. Flash has disgraced the entire korea by not immediately being the best terran on world your expectations are way too high | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:39 Whatson wrote: I really like how Flash's APM rose from like 50 to 250 by the end of the game. That's definitely how Flashes APM works. Even in Brood War his APM always started out incredibly low and gradually increased until the end of the game. | ||
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Xyst
Turkey66 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:20 EonuS wrote: yeah, I mean what is going on, we live in a world where we can download skills immediately into our brains and be fully compactible with them. Flash has disgraced the entire korea by not immediately being the best terran on world - I know Kung Fu. - Show Me anyway, %100 supporting your post. | ||
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Sylverin
United States480 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:13 vnlegend wrote: This is a pretty average level replay. KawaiiRice didn't even play that well. I lol'ed at all the praises in this thread. It's like watching Code B or lower level play. after playing for 4 weeks thats pretty good I would say...-.- Why do you care if we are so excited it's not everyday you see a god  lighten up broski | ||
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Bareleon
371 Posts
Just imagine how good he will be with more practice. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:16 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Yea it's absolutely terrible that someone who just picked up the game is at Code B level and managed to beat a pro who has been playing since beta. The fact that he is already at average level play IS what is impressive. It's to be expected tbh, any korean BW pro should be able to get results like this just through their mechanics. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:33 FliedLice wrote: It's to be expected tbh, any korean BW pro should be able to get results like this just through their mechanics. I would expect their mechanics to get them lowish masters maybe... I remember InDove when he first started at Sc2 only go to diamond on Korea with his mechanics. Beating a pro who has been playing since beta after playing for what? 4 weeks? Yea he played a bit when he was in rehab but thats not training thats fucking around plus he probably couldn't play much then due to his wrists.... Either way, the fact he has a +50% win rate fairly high masters on Korea in this short of a time IMO is damn impressive. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:38 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: Please keep all the Flash stuff in one thread. Are you serious ? Then we would have to merge half of all threads we have on TL. | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
KawaiiRice has 42 marines with +1, stim and combat shield 2 medivacs Total marine health when full = 2310 Total potential dps when stimmed = 512.4 Healing per second = 18 "possibly" Flash has 31 marines +1 stim no combat shield and a tank without seige mode. 4 medivacs Total marine/tank health when full = 1555 Total potential dps when stimmed (inc tank) = 392.6 HP/S = 36 After the battle with micro/positioning the final result. KawaiiRice: 3 marines, 2 medivacs Possibly flash: 9 marines 4 medivacs 1 tank The way he positioned that fight is one of the most impressive things i've seen in a while. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I would expect their mechanics to get them lowish masters maybe... I remember InDove when he first started at Sc2 only go to diamond on Korea with his mechanics. Beating a pro who has been playing since beta after playing for what? 4 weeks? Yea he played a bit when he was in rehab but thats not training thats fucking around plus he probably couldn't play much then due to his wrists.... Either way, the fact he has a +50% win rate fairly high masters on Korea in this short of a time IMO is damn impressive. Didn't Flash get into masters during the rehab training period though? | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Simply insane that he can beat a well established pro like KawaiiRice after only a few months with the game. KawaiiRice... well established pro LOL | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:10 Archybaldie wrote: 11:27 engagement. KawaiiRice has 42 marines with +1, stim and combat shield 2 medivacs Total marine health when full = 2310 Total potential dps when stimmed = 512.4 Healing per second = 18 "possibly" Flash has 31 marines +1 stim no combat shield and a tank without seige mode. 4 medivacs Total marine/tank health when full = 1555 Total potential dps when stimmed (inc tank) = 392.6 HP/S = 36 After the battle with micro/positioning the final result. KawaiiRice: 3 marines, 2 medivacs Possibly flash: 9 marines 4 medivacs 1 tank The way he positioned that fight is one of the most impressive things i've seen in a while. yeah that was crazy, it seemed like every action had a purpose and he was macroing o.O | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:10 Archybaldie wrote: 11:27 engagement. KawaiiRice has 42 marines with +1, stim and combat shield 2 medivacs Total marine health when full = 2310 Total potential dps when stimmed = 512.4 Healing per second = 18 "possibly" Flash has 31 marines +1 stim no combat shield and a tank without seige mode. 4 medivacs Total marine/tank health when full = 1555 Total potential dps when stimmed (inc tank) = 392.6 HP/S = 36 After the battle with micro/positioning the final result. KawaiiRice: 3 marines, 2 medivacs Possibly flash: 9 marines 4 medivacs 1 tank The way he positioned that fight is one of the most impressive things i've seen in a while. rofl flash <3 | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
But anyway, I liked the agro from flash, seemed like he wasnt afraid of anything. Other then that, I want the game harder, and this is probably sc2s best chance at getting harder, cuz bw pros swich and they are good players but really arnt at the level they could be in bw. And blizzard sees that and makes the game harder. But most likely they will just add stuff to the game for casual gamers, cuz thairs more of them But I can dream cant I. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On May 13 2012 02:11 sAsThark wrote: I have a proof it's not Flash As you can see, it's a human, not God Actually your software is faulty | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:16 WniO wrote: yeah that was crazy, it seemed like every action had a purpose and he was macroing o.O yeah i have noticed that too, the way in which he was coordinating his army is not common to see, there was something awesome in his units control | ||
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Skaminator
112 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:13 Cokefreak wrote: Didn't Flash get into masters during the rehab training period though? He did, and he said that it was much easier than it was now. But right after he got masters he stopped playing because of PL | ||
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Sylverin
United States480 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:26 Garmer wrote: yeah i have noticed that too, the way in which he was coordinating his army is not common to see, there was something awesome in his units control My favorite part is that he almost never sieged even when it was kinda needed to win he just had so much stuff x.x i think he only stopped making marines for maybe a total of 4 seconds all game absolutely perfect macro | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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ShaPeLesS
Bulgaria87 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:26 Garmer wrote: yeah i have noticed that too, the way in which he was coordinating his army is not common to see, there was something awesome in his units control Am I missing something? All I saw was Kawaii trying to attack up a narrow choke and Flash having a better arc with his army. I know everyone is excited to see Flash playing SC2, but come on, there was nothing impressive in what he did. If anything, it just shows what a bad decision Kawaii made. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On May 13 2012 05:49 ShaPeLesS wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2012 05:26 Garmer wrote: yeah i have noticed that too, the way in which he was coordinating his army is not common to see, there was something awesome in his units control Am I missing something? All I saw was Kawaii trying to attack up a narrow choke and Flash having a better arc with his army. I know everyone is excited to see Flash playing SC2, but come on, there was nothing impressive in what he did. If anything, it just shows what a bad decision Kawaii made. No they are right, the other Terran achieved a hell lot more with his actions compared to what you normally see, some of the shit he did blew my mind. And this is regardless if he Flash or not. Also notice how the entire game is very starcraft1 like, there are many small battles taking place instead of of 1 huge battle and when one side loses he gets rolled over. Interesting to see | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44158 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Simply insane that he can beat a well established pro like KawaiiRice after only a few months with the game. There are already vods posted in other threads of Flash beating players better than KawaiiRice... no offense to KR >.> But I agree that Flash beating good players after such a short amount of time is a good sign! | ||
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Bareleon
371 Posts
On May 13 2012 06:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: There are already vods posted in other threads of Flash beating players better than KawaiiRice... no offense to KR >.> But I agree that Flash beating good players after such a short amount of time is a good sign! Link please??? | ||
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Bareleon
371 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:29 Bareleon wrote: Wow. "Flash" if it is him, made Kawiirice look like a noob lol. Just imagine how good he will be with more practice. I wonder how right I will be. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:23 starcraft911 wrote: I'm not surprised at all by this. You're talking about Flash... he was a god at BW which was much more demanding than sc2. If i can do it a god like Flash should have no problem. I'm so pumped to see what he can do. :D It's a big deal. Probably the biggest deal that has happened in SC2 since the game was first announced. Don't underestimate flash. :D No.. no it is not. Flash is not bigger than the game. BW switching over is huge but Flash doing it on his own is nowhere near comparable. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
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MVega
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
I must have missed the "LOL" part. Who the fuck are you? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
After that, he just got more and more stuff... they were around even supply, then all of a sudden Flash had twice KR's, even when it looked like he was losing engagements. He seems to know how to get his marines spread out to avoid getting a ball hit by siege tanks too. Interestingly, he actually used mules that game. Oh dear. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:03 MVega wrote: I'm a little skeptical about that being Flash in the replay. It was good play, it was great play in most cases and solid tactical play too, but there were some sloppy micro moments in there too that I don't think Flash would have made even being a new comer to SC2. this is true... but same number of l for the barcode name, exact same opening and same hotkeys as the fpvod points to it being him? | ||
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DemigodcelpH
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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babybell
776 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:05 Crying wrote: Hello Guys, It's from by.FlaSh's Facebook /its not his ,its a fan one/ http://drop.sc/178342 Its not 100% confirmed but Kawaii says GG God at the end..and this is the same account from the one that GTR showed FlaSh playing in the gaming house. So i think its legit. enlighten me on how to distinguish barcode accounts. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:05 ticklishmusic wrote: Insanely greedy opening though-- what was that, a 14cc? Typical Flash. SCV production was really good too, I caught Flash at 70 to 58 at one point without any economic damage. After that, he just got more and more stuff... they were around even supply, then all of a sudden Flash had twice KR's, even when it looked like he was losing engagements. He seems to know how to get his marines spread out to avoid getting a ball hit by siege tanks too. Interestingly, he actually used mules that game. Oh dear. His current coaching sessions look like this -coach: flash you didnt use mules at all, you know they are imba, start making them -flash: ok That's it. lol And that vid was fooking hillarious. Died laughing at, quest points at the exclamation marks from sensor tower. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:11 babybell wrote: enlighten me on how to distinguish barcode accounts. The Flash account is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. No other account of that exact name exists on KR, and it is already confirmed to be Flash's account by looking through the match history of the guy he beat in the fpvod. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:08 DemigodcelpH wrote: Makes me laugh how Protoss players ferociously tried to discredit the god of SC2 after his balance analysis saying "his opinion doesnt matter" when he's beating established SC2 pro players who play 10+ hours a day and go to tournaments after a mere month of playing. Deezer beats pro SC2 players all the time. He's won more ladder games against pros than Flash has. I guess Deezer's balance analysis is more valuable than Flash's? | ||
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
-> for the guys asking for facebook page. I think on this page you can see everything faster than TL,for FlaSh news i mean + reps + intersting stuff. Like this so it can spread out It's not mine if asking,i'm subscribed since like 1year | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I chuckled quite a bit at that video :D | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:08 DemigodcelpH wrote: Makes me laugh how Protoss players ferociously tried to discredit the god of SC2 after his balance analysis saying "his opinion doesnt matter" when he's beating established SC2 pro players who play 10+ hours a day and go to tournaments after a mere month of playing. Why do you bring balance whine everywhere u go? On topic: It definitely looks like flash, same hotkeys, unique bar code account, yeah I'm quiate impressed by his decision making. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:42 Greenei wrote: His unitcontrol, macro, decisionmaking etc. are already top notch. Only his timings suck bigtime. Just look at the armory or the second factory, way off. But I'm sure he can sort that out after a few month and dominate the scene. His descisionmaking was not very good imo. | ||
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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
On May 13 2012 08:13 eviltomahawk wrote: The Flash account is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. No other account of that exact name exists on KR, and it is already confirmed to be Flash's account by looking through the match history of the guy he beat in the fpvod. it makes sense now KTFLASH are 7 letters :O | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On May 13 2012 07:30 Aelfric wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2frifv2__Y lol some of that is gold (: | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
A perfect example of bad decision making. | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:16 c78331 wrote: 236 apm with 186 eapm, is flash considered "slow" because he doesn't spam at all? That's very fast already! Thats about how fast marineking plays. I think thats pretty fast considering how fast he got to that point. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
My aim in life now is to watch Flash play SC2 live xD | ||
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Miragee
8494 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:08 -Exalt- wrote: hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time. If you want to see insane apm watch out for Jaedong not Flash. When July was in his prime he also had ridiculously high apm, but that time is long ago. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On May 13 2012 09:08 -Exalt- wrote: hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time. No Flash doesn't have "insane" APM. Guys like By.hero, hyuk, HiyA, Bisu, BaBy etc would have that since they are reaching over 400-500 apm quiet often. In BW Flash has like mid 300 but doesn't spam and in SC2 there is just not as much to do and he is still learning so he don't know what do to yet so thats why it's only in the 200 range atm in that replay I think. But also have in mind that almost 200 EAPM is really sick in SC2 and most foreigners can't even get past 130-150 so just have in mind how preciesly and meaningful all his actions are in the game. He has insane mechanics tho. But mechanics not just APM! | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 poorcloud wrote: Yeah, if you guys actually watched the replay, flashs resource was so low the whole time while he was microing his army and expanding and rallying his troops perfectly. He even did a drop and an attack from the front. If he can do it with 200 + eapm, why does he need 400 apm? Its probably him since he dosen't spam. Yeah guys. If he has to use 1,000 APM for a moment to do a crazy drop, he does it, otherwise he doesn't do it and only uses the APM needed to do stuff. When I went back to playing BW for a bit (after SC2), may APM went up a ton. However going back to playing SC2, APM isn't as high because there just isn't as much to do. "Spamming" sometimes help for some but sometimes it's not even needed at all. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud | ||
TheEmulator
28087 Posts
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM 236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that. | ||
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FreaKasparov
England14 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote: The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that. Yep. He's got something like 170 APM (Blizzard's time) and 134 EAPM, that is to say, a very low redundancy (20%, which is MKP's level of redundancy). Interestingly enough, although KawaiiRice was a bit doubtful at how low Flash's APM were, Flash ends up having more EAPM than him | ||
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote: The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that. sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm | ||
slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
HOLY. SHIT. There goes anonymity for your smurf account Young Ho Ssi. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On May 13 2012 11:39 TheRabidDeer wrote: sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm no, according to Sc2gears website, 4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Uhh...if by not insanely fast you mean maybe one tiny step down from the multitask gods Bisu/BaBy/perhaps JD...then yea. FlaSh seems to be situationally fast. He doesn't play insane mode fast (like 180-200 eapm at lulls in game) but when shit starts to happen he can go crazy mode. There are various games of him where he has sustained over 300 EAPM for large portions of the game. That's fast as hell. FlaSh doesn't always show or do builds that require insane multitasking (does sometimes though) but make no mistake he is damn near as fast as anyone in BW. On May 13 2012 09:26 Miragee wrote: If you want to see insane apm watch out for Jaedong not Flash. When July was in his prime he also had ridiculously high apm, but that time is long ago. Why are people talking about APM in this fashion. JD has about 50-100 more apm than Bisu typically (low 400's vs low 300's). Bisu though is arguably faster because he also plays very efficient and doesn't cycle keys as much. You can have 500 apm and be slow as shit...if I sit there the entire game and spam 0/8 for probe/nexus I can have 500+ apm and still be slow as hell. While APM correlates with multitask/"fastness" it's a loose correlation at best. You can be fast as all hell with low 300's high 200's if your not much of a cycler/spammer, and be pretty slow with 300+ if your a crazy spam machine. It's really evident sometimes in streams...you'll be watching someone and think: "wow this dude is pretty fast" and then find out he only has 220 APM but doesn't waste actions. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 13 2012 14:08 dacimvrl wrote: no, according to Sc2gears website, 4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II. Ah, I mustve disabled it at some point then. Regardless it is true that it only tells you bw apm if it is enabled in settings | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:17 Warillions wrote: i dont agree 100%. many people including myself and you too refresh TL many many times an hour looking for new content or discussion to read. however i dont enjoy opening an old thread in hopes of new content and finding spam trolls. i can refresh. see a fresh replay from whoever, Its not like new threads are booming nonstop and its out of control. Subscibed Threads will solve you problem. Maybe release replay packs instead of individual replays for a thread. Less spammy. On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote: lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO As BW and SC2 forums combine there is going to be alot of this. On May 13 2012 01:58 0kz wrote: that show us God playing!...seriously now stop pretending this is not important.. its hugeee.. it could be the first replay of one of the best players ever in the history of rts games (if not the best.. ) playing sc2. I would have to agree it's just a replay. Would rather have seen a collection of replays. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:33 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote: maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : ) Its like that game where he just took out his ruler after getting his workers going to make sure all the spacing was right. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On May 13 2012 14:30 Antisocialmunky wrote: Its like that game where he just took out his ruler after getting his workers going to make sure all the spacing was right. Or when he drinks | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On May 13 2012 14:08 dacimvrl wrote: no, according to Sc2gears website, 4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II. on top of that, you are saying kawaiirice has close to or over 500 apm average | ||
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GT350
United States270 Posts
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Lowko
Netherlands286 Posts
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getpicture
141 Posts
kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash. there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army. TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
his name when typed on the key board is 7 letters. 이영호 = dldudgh | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On May 13 2012 15:52 NIIINO wrote: He said he hotkey his units in the same way as he does in SC:BW does anyone know what are his hotkeys in SC:BW ? default? i dont think kespa allows modifying hotkeys. probably something like m for marines f for marauders w for vikings etc. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked). I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34488 Posts
On May 13 2012 15:35 Lowko wrote: There, casted it and uploaded it on the youtubez. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o0jugQFgAY Your video cuts out between 6:09 and 7:30 :/ | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 13 2012 15:23 GT350 wrote: Wow that was total domination. And he just started playing SC2? He played some like 6 months ago. He practice alot recently. Totally time of playing is like 1-2 months top. Also, he has to play 2 games now BW and SC2 since the upcoming Proleague feature both of them with SC2 being the ace match. GG GOD!! and Dat drop is sexy!!! | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
On May 13 2012 15:59 Hinanawi wrote: Flash's reputation as the 'turtle terran' is from before 2010. From 2010 to present, he's actually been insanely aggressive in TvP and TvZ. His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked). I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do. I'm extremely sad that we live in a time where it was not Jaedong as the Zerg that was mentioned Hopefully his mental fortitude will bring him back to the top like it has before -sorry off topic- | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:21 iAmJeffReY wrote: Also it is SC2 apm. If you put it to a full minute it fits the profile of Flash's BW apm just about. lol Was this after the 45 or so minute TvP KRice played where the epic nuke killed the protoss entire army? ...236 apm is not at all slow... Edit: I was wrong, that number is from SC2 gears. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On May 13 2012 15:43 getpicture wrote: replay just shows that strategic choices wins the game. kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash. there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army. TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement. Agreed. I'd like to make a joke on how Flash actually spends 5 hours a day doing mathematical equations for Starcraft and that's how he wins game (not actually playing games)... but it's actually true (sort of). (I remember reading that he actually did spend about 3 hours or so each day doing that in BW.) Knowing all the timings (at 5 minute, if the opponent is mining gas for 2 minutes starting at 3 mins, what availible options does the opponent have?) and what to do at that point is very important. You only need like 60-100 APM (and the ability to go up to 200-300 APM in times of intensive action) to play really good (being vague with "good" on purpose) at SC2. Having good macro (not floating minerals or gas if possible) + micro (marine splits, etc). | ||
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing. I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:26 xza wrote: I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret. It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc. Pro replays barely appear before a tournament nowadays. and when the tournaments release the replays the metagame has shifted by then most likely so it doesnt matter | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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BagelyBagels
United States55 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:51 Neurosis wrote: His apm wasn't "omg insanely fast" but his multi tasking was. He was everywhere at once, and despite his apm being lower than kawai he still had smoother macro. He completely outmaneuvered his opponent in every way. Everything that was thrown at him was blocked and all of his moves landed perfectly. Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing sc2 very long and he is already incredibly good. Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still. Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate. Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me? | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote: Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash" He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still. Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate. Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me? Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:53 BagelyBagels wrote: Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty. That isn't the point. The point is, watching from flash's perspective the skill is extremely obvious. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:26 SupLilSon wrote: Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time. But it seems more like a common sense thing that would transfer from BW, doesn't it? I'm not exactly a grandmaster nor am I paid $400,000 to play an RTS, but even I would say. "Hey, I'm doing a mineral intensive build. I better saturate minerals before grabbing gas here." Maybe I'm just looking too much into it. Still not sold though. | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
well yeah looks like it's true | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:45 crms wrote: cool, thanks for linking the thread. lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing. I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT. Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote: I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:40 canikizu wrote: Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month. There's no telling if Flash is the only one using that account. Pro gamers are known to share accounts with other players. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:50 BlazeFury01 wrote: Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder. Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
But that game was defined by KR's mistakes, rather than any genius move on Flash's part. I hope this isn't indicative of KawaiiRice's skill level or his training habits. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote: Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. He was definitely laddering hardcore on this account due to the sheer # of games played in the amount of time that its been active. It definitely seems like he switched accounts now since he hasn't played any games since vs Kawaii. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote: Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. Yeah? Well, he didn't have to say: Flash? And: gg god. That's waaay more obvious then just uploading a rep to TL. | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
I would be annoyed too if everyone was releasing every replay of them beating a pro gamer plus im sure he has the money to buy as many sc2 accounts as he wants ^_- | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
undoubtedly, in this single game, his macro was great, and how he would rehotkey rallied units while continuing pressure was great as well. i don't think it's enough to say something like, 'mm, yes this is where heads will roll'. there are many starcraft 2 players who have very interesting or incredible methods of playing. i'm only worried that the amount and style of practice (online ladder) strips them of that, if only a little. it did not use to be an issue for team-members to constantly stream for themselves or as part of the team. i don't see that as any sort of problem with a motivated A or S-class player coming from BW play if you want to see flash go god mode, you had seriously better get used to a bit of some disappointment as he's practicing&playing both games you may think that handspeed and dexterity is basically a non-factor after a certain level of play (in SC2), but there is always a chance that that those couple of educated actions wins you the game in an amazing fashion. once you reach that sort of speed yourself, you can tell me what difference or non-difference it made to your game. | ||
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EonuS
Slovenia186 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:57 lbmaian wrote: Impressed with Flash's skill after such a short period of time. But that game was defined by KR's mistakes, rather than any genius move on Flash's part. I hope this isn't indicative of KawaiiRice's skill level or his training habits. though, that's what flash is known for you make one miniscule mistake and he'll take the game away from you no matter how far ahead you are | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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xiZE
Sweden60 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
That game is already casted. | ||
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godsend1
United Kingdom77 Posts
On May 13 2012 18:59 xiZE wrote: Who is who? I dont understand these names Flash is iiiiiii, Kawaiirice is the player with the Korean characters. EDIT: Apparently Kawaiirice's name is in Chinese characters. | ||
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FakeDouble
Australia676 Posts
On May 13 2012 18:59 xiZE wrote: Who is who? I dont understand these names barcode is supposedly Flash, or an account shared by KT players, and the chinese characters are KawaiiRice. Think the first two characters are phonetically pronounced 'ke ai' which sounds like kawaii, and the last character is the one for rice (not sure, only did a few years of saturday chinese school for fun, sorry if I'm wrong, not chinese) EDIT: after asking a friend, apparently the characters mean 'cute rice', and 'kawaii' = cute in japanese. Therefore 可爱米 = kawaiirice in chinese | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On May 13 2012 19:05 godsend1 wrote: Flash is iiiiiii, Kawaiirice is the player with the Korean characters. EDIT: Apparently Kawaiirice's name is in Chinese characters. Actually, Flash is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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kade
94 Posts
On May 13 2012 04:22 BlazeFury01 wrote: That's definitely how Flashes APM works. Even in Brood War his APM always started out incredibly low and gradually increased until the end of the game. That's not true, he always has the apm spam that every pro does at the start.. watch one of his fpvods on youtube | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I'm not sure they will dominated like some think they will, because the game being easier mechanically also mean the game is different, and maybe harder in some other ways. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 13 2012 19:56 ShakkaFL wrote: I like the fact that he does not rely on siege mode for his siege tanks. Showing alot of promise. Can't wait for next week :D. True, sometimes I felt his action were kinda dangerous, running his marine in the tank line, but well he ended up winning. | ||
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viggy70
Sweden6 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
certain trademarks seem to be an inability to stop gas from stockpiling, making a hilarious amount of medivacs, doesn't feel the need to siege his tanks when playing aggressively, making funny trades and going CC first. despite that he still won because his macro, positioning and general decisions were just way better than an NA grandmaster. KWR should take a long hard look at himself. Been playing for 2 years and get beaten by someone who is clearly trying to grasp certain fundamental sc2 terran concepts... | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
可愛 (kě ài) = cute 米 (mǐ) = rice For those who dont know (really?) "kawaii is japanese for cute. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On May 13 2012 20:08 shadymmj wrote: idk if this is really flash, but he plays like a BW terran certain trademarks seem to be an inability to stop gas from stockpiling, making a hilarious amount of medivacs, doesn't feel the need to siege his tanks when playing aggressively, making funny trades and going CC first. despite that he still won because his macro, positioning and general decisions were just way better than an NA grandmaster. KWR should take a long hard look at himself. Been playing for 2 years and get beaten by someone who is clearly trying to grasp certain fundamental sc2 terran concepts... what are you talking about? it's like playing Michael Jordan in half-court game (here known as "basket") and saying yeah nba basketball is his game how the hell can i lose in basket on my own court, guy barely knows the rules?!? because he's a god, that's how. jesus... | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On May 13 2012 20:08 shadymmj wrote: idk if this is really flash, but he plays like a BW terran certain trademarks seem to be an inability to stop gas from stockpiling, making a hilarious amount of medivacs, doesn't feel the need to siege his tanks when playing aggressively, making funny trades and going CC first. despite that he still won because his macro, positioning and general decisions were just way better than an NA grandmaster. KWR should take a long hard look at himself. Been playing for 2 years and get beaten by someone who is clearly trying to grasp certain fundamental sc2 terran concepts... Is my sarcasm meter broken? Because this is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. In other news, our mystery lllllllllll man has been spotted on bomber's stream moments ago. He lost but showed some nice moves. edit: I didn't realize this, but apparently there are now tooonsss of top korean accounts with this name or very similar.... | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On May 13 2012 20:08 shadymmj wrote: certain trademarks seem to be ... making a hilarious amount of medivacs Have you seen the number of medivacs MKP made for his bio-balls in the last 2 MLGs? Maybe MKP and Flash know something that you don't. | ||
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skunk_works
United States109 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Reval
United States297 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote: Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash" He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still. Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate. Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me? Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave. | ||
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Derrida
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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Deleted User 245622
184 Posts
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Youtakenocandle
543 Posts
On May 13 2012 19:05 darkness wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBthYyfGbZk That game is already casted. Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it? | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:25 Youtakenocandle wrote: Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it? NO! Deal with it. | ||
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komokun
France343 Posts
Seriously Flash making supply is pretty impressive. | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:26 xza wrote: I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret. It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc. This is less relevant than in BW. It is easier to extract information from SC2 vods because of UI helpers such as the Unit and Production tabs. Also, if they wanna compete in MLG , IPL or Dreamhack their replays will be released anyways. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Garmer
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:08 Reval wrote: Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave. kr had combat shields and more marines. cant blame him for not trying. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:10 Derrida wrote: Quick, someone calculate the number of possible permutations for creating a 7 character name from capital "i"s and small "L"s. On May 13 2012 21:17 Jinsho wrote: It's obviously 2^7. How is this basic math too hard for you? Doesn't matter anyway, since players can have identical names as long as they have different character codes. | ||
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:08 Reval wrote: Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave. I did a quick simulation of the engagement that excited me using a unit test map so probabaly not the most accurate. I got the same number of units/upgrades for each person. Had an observer off to the side to "simulate" the xel'naga tower that kawaii rice had. Also had about half of flash's army outside the vision of the obs (xel'naga). Then i stimmed and 1-a'd kawaiis units up a ramp. It ended up showing flash losing that engagement with kawaii rice having 14 marines left. Quite a large margin compared to the match that shows flash winning that engagement with 9 marines and a tank. However this was just a quick simulation on a unit tester map. I personally question the validity of this simulation until i can get a friend to test that engagement on that same map (with the main difference of no micro). It seems in the replay that due to all the pull backs and push forwards not only did flash have more medivacs but with the placement of them above the army instead of behind them lead to them healing the units more then kawaii's 2 medivacs healed for. Im actually a little obsessed with that engagement (i should get out more) So my personal initial conclusion, The high ground advantage was partially nullified by the xel'naga. The Choke/concave seemed to help but not enough to win that battle. The main difference seemed to be the pull backs (from both players) combined with the placement of the medivacs. Which resulted in flash's 4 medivacs healing for longer while kawaii rice's 2 medivacs were not healing for as long. I dont know if any of this was intentional or not but it's given me some intresting thoughts about future games and micro when you have the medivac advantage. Also i need to get out more rather then obsessing about a single engagement in a single replay so much ... | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
That last move-out was okay though, not that impressive to be honest. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:25 Youtakenocandle wrote: Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it? Yeah just youtube. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On May 14 2012 00:32 Torte de Lini wrote: It shows how much he has to improve. That last move-out was okay though, not that impressive to be honest. Yeah, 1 month of inconsistent practice (he played 5 days before) to beat a NA Grandmaster player isn't impressive at all. Oh wait. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 14 2012 01:11 superstartran wrote: Yeah, 1 month of inconsistent practice (he played 5 days before) to beat a NA Grandmaster player isn't impressive at all. Oh wait. KRice doesn't play on NA namo. He plays EU and KR. And is high masters (GM level) on EU. | ||
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Phantom_Sky
Hong Kong512 Posts
http://sc2ranks.com/team/18050746 http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3479253/1/lllllll/ | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 14 2012 01:25 Phantom_Sky wrote: Flash's account? http://sc2ranks.com/team/18050746 http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3479253/1/lllllll/ Yes but ppl should stop linking it because Flash stopped playing it the moment ppl figured out it was him. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:58 Garmer wrote: they should use all BW sound sincerely, they are far more awesome than the SC2 one... Imo they should use the BW units and gameplay as well... oh snap... | ||
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ryx
Philippines38 Posts
@~14:45 - Enemy is sieged up in the middle of the map trying to force an engagment. Fight or pull back to defend the possibly greedy fourth base? WRONG. Positions between Kawaii's army and third base to go on the offensive! Just beautiful! Chess match, Sun Tzu, Flash-level greatness at work. Not only spot on mechanics but ingenious decision making is gonna make Flash (and all of the the BW pros) great. Just wait for it. PS - MULES? Meh Scan = better :D | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 14 2012 01:11 superstartran wrote: Yeah, 1 month of inconsistent practice (he played 5 days before) to beat a NA Grandmaster player isn't impressive at all. Oh wait. Not sure what you're saying, I didn't say it wasn't impressive. I said he has room to improve. If you're angry because I don't agree with your inflated point of view, just say that. | ||
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Gtoad
United States90 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On May 14 2012 03:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Not sure what you're saying, I didn't say it wasn't impressive. I said he has room to improve. If you're angry because I don't agree with your inflated point of view, just say that. lol you said "not that impressive to be honest". Not sure what you're saying.. Flash almost being on par with SC2 Progamers who have over a year head start on him is incredibly impressive. His game play that has so much room to improve is already better than most "Pros". | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On May 14 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote: lol you said "not that impressive to be honest". Not sure what you're saying.. Flash almost being on par with SC2 Progamers who have over a year head start on him is incredibly impressive. His game play that has so much room to improve is already better than most "Pros". He was talking about flash's last push not being impressive. Not flash himself. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On May 14 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote: lol you said "not that impressive to be honest". Not sure what you're saying.. Flash almost being on par with SC2 Progamers who have over a year head start on him is incredibly impressive. His game play that has so much room to improve is already better than most "Pros". people should get banned for such stupidity | ||
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
wtf? Are you mad or something? | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
If he watched Game of Thrones he would ask for that guy's head. | ||
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
If you want a player who has a really "low" APM for the amount of success he had you should pick Savior. He was a bonjwa with like a 250 APM. Flash just isn't spamming yet in the game, probably trying to work hard on his mechanics. A lot of APM is knowing what to do to spend it. Being new to the game Flash just hasn't figured out exactly how to spend his APM yet, lots of his APM used to be spent individually clicking rax/facts. | ||
Poopi
France12779 Posts
Once they start playing SC2 only (because let's face it you ain't gonna do as good playing two games simulteanously at high level as playing full time only one game), current koreans pros will shit on their pants, except the really really good ones. To emphasize on what revy said, it's like when you offrace, even if you apm might be as high as with your main race, your eAPM will be shit not because you can't play faster, but because you don't really have a precise idea of what to do, and not developped the good habits allowing you to play the race like it's meant to be. | ||
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 14 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote: lol you said "not that impressive to be honest". Not sure what you're saying.. Flash almost being on par with SC2 Progamers who have over a year head start on him is incredibly impressive. His game play that has so much room to improve is already better than most "Pros". It isn't impressive given what we've seen him capable of doing and have done. I think he can do a lot better and I'd be more impressed by what he can do in the future rather than how fast he can catch-up. Someone's rate of improvement doesn't really interest me, it's how they change and innovate the game that makes me a lot more intrigued. It's impressive on some level, but not that impressive to me personally. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On May 14 2012 03:23 SupLilSon wrote: lol you said "not that impressive to be honest". Not sure what you're saying.. Flash almost being on par with SC2 Progamers who have over a year head start on him is incredibly impressive. His game play that has so much room to improve is already better than most "Pros". Well it really isn't as impressive as most people make it out to be in this thread. It's quite obvious that someone with the talent Flash brings to the table will be top notch in SC2 in no time. The replay shows what everybody should have been expecting anyway. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 14 2012 05:06 FliedLice wrote: Well it really isn't as impressive as most people make it out to be in this thread. It's quite obvious that someone with the talent Flash brings to the table will be top notch in SC2 in no time. The replay shows what everybody should have been expecting anyway. Thank you. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On May 13 2012 19:14 eviltomahawk wrote: Actually, Flash is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. Can I say how much I LOVE the barcode smurfs! I just love how blizzard tried to make things smurf proof and people became better smurfs. Plus it's fun because there is more anonymity than if you had multiple unique names. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:52 Gosi wrote: After watching that Husky vod - Tournaments should really start using the BW music in the background instead of the SC2 music. The whole game just gets a better atmosphere from it. ^^ I don't know why we couldn't overlay the music privately, or at least pester Blizzard for the next few years about it. Maybe we could re-record the original tracks with full orchestra/band? | ||
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AxonHD
United States31 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTDyrba_uts | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On May 14 2012 05:23 AxonHD wrote: Desrow just posted this game he played against flash last week, rather than make a new thread, i thought I'd just put it here. I apologize if this has already been posted! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTDyrba_uts Gymaholic. best part of that whole shizznit. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
On May 14 2012 05:13 0neder wrote: Can I say how much I LOVE the barcode smurfs! I just love how blizzard tried to make things smurf proof and people became better smurfs. Plus it's fun because there is more anonymity than if you had multiple unique names. They didn't make it smurf-proof, they made it free-smurf-proof I'm sure they love the barcode smurfs even more than you do since each one cost $60. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:08 Nightmarjoo wrote: They didn't make it smurf-proof, they made it free-smurf-proof I'm sure they love the barcode smurfs even more than you do since each one cost $60.I think most people just used up their 1-free name change instead of going out and buying an entirely new game :-0 | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On May 14 2012 05:06 FliedLice wrote: Well it really isn't as impressive as most people make it out to be in this thread. It's quite obvious that someone with the talent Flash brings to the table will be top notch in SC2 in no time. The replay shows what everybody should have been expecting anyway. Ok, I can understand when you put it like that. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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Otak
United Kingdom110 Posts
The funniest thing about DesRow is he'll probably be loving that win for the rest of his sc2 'career.' | ||
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Assuming it is flash ofc. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:28 brokenLoL wrote: Who is this guy and why is everyone all over him? He doesn't seem that special. He's only in Master anyway why are people making such a big deal? Cuz people are fanboys of flash from BW. Let them have their fun. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:28 brokenLoL wrote: Who is this guy and why is everyone all over him? He doesn't seem that special. He's only in Master anyway why are people making such a big deal? search function, type in flash. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:18 Licmyobelisk wrote: I don't know man, but I heard that FLASH has been playing SC 2 since nov 2011. Take what I said with a grain of salt though I'm sure he was focusing his attention on SC2 while being more or less unbeatable in PL and while advancing in OSL. It's known that he played some SC2 in november(or whenever he had surgery) when he was recovering from surgery but after that he dropped the game until now. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
and interestingly enough hes using other peoples openers. So he has done some research obviously.. his potential is absolutely incredible.. can't wait to see him later in the year | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:30 Jisall wrote: Cuz people are fanboys of flash from BW. Let them have their fun. So maybe you two should leave this place where everyone is hyping for Flash. | ||
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
So he has a few championships. NaDa has the same amount as this guy when I checked. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:28 brokenLoL wrote: Who is this guy and why is everyone all over him? He doesn't seem that special. He's only in Master anyway why are people making such a big deal? I think it is fair at this point that there may be users who are unaware of BW or the legends borne from a decade long industry. But why would you publicly advert that you do not know who Flash is!? It just shows that you didn't even watch the clip in the OP because the caster clearly states that he is everything that is BW multiple times. The first engagement was pretty cool; I think it showed the value of positioning and Flash's understanding of army control. Thanks for the video! | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
On May 13 2012 20:58 skunk_works wrote: there are thirty or so lllllllll acounts on kr gm Yeah, Include the lllllllll in Masters Leauge also, You got like a ton of them on high masters | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On May 13 2012 21:25 Youtakenocandle wrote: Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it? cant get more fluid and melodic than Husky, yo | ||
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:50 bkrow wrote: I think it is fair at this point that there may be users who are unaware of BW or the legends borne from a decade long industry. But why would you publicly advert that you do not know who Flash is!? It just shows that you didn't even watch the clip in the OP because the caster clearly states that he is everything that is BW multiple times. The first engagement was pretty cool; I think it showed the value of positioning and Flash's understanding of army control. Thanks for the video! You're right I did not watch the video. I saw the replay. I saw absolutely nothing that is remarkable from this guy that Mvp or MMA or whatever Korean Terran can't do. Edited. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:58 brokenLoL wrote: You're right I did not watch the video. I saw the replay. I saw absolutely nothing that is remarkable from Mvp or MMA or whatever Korean Terran. not sure of your point? people are hyping it because flash is currently the best player and has more dominance in bw than oov or boxer or nada at their peaks. i myself is not impressed by his play but the fact that best bw player to date is working his way towards sc2 is the point here, not his sc2 prowess. people expecting him to be on par with current best sc2 terrans within a few months is wishful thinking, but i dont think anyone doubts he can't catch up. (if you want to bring up bw vs sc2 since you're disregarding bw with "who the fuck is flash?", dont) | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:02 jinorazi wrote: not sure of your point? people are hyping it because flash is currently the best player and has more dominance in bw than oov or boxer or nada at their peaks. i myself is not impressed by his play but the fact that best bw player to date is working his way towards sc2 is the point here, not his sc2 prowess. What most people are impressed by is the fact that he got to this point so quickly, he's only been actually practicing Sc2 for around a month now. So in one month he has gotten to high masters and managed to take a game off a pro who has been playing since beta. That is what is impressive. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:05 Necro)Phagist( wrote: What most people are impressed by is the fact that he got to this point so quickly, he's only been actually practicing Sc2 for around a month now. So in one month he has gotten to high masters and managed to take a game off a pro who has been playing since beta. That is what is impressive. to be fair, i think many bw pros will have no problem hitting master in their first month. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:06 jinorazi wrote: to be fair, i think many bw pros will have no problem hitting master in their first month. Very true, as I've heard most are already in masters. Which is very scary for the Code B/A players right now as I think shortly they will be over run. Code S calibre players will most likely be able to hold their own for the most part. | ||
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nicoc77
Argentina57 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:44 brokenLoL wrote: So he has a few championships. NaDa has the same amount as this guy when I checked. LOL poor child... Do you know what Bonjwa means? Did you look at his winning ratio? | ||
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Lowko
Netherlands286 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote: cant get more fluid and melodic than Husky, yo There ya go. I casted it too. Hope it's more to your liking sir! :D | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:58 brokenLoL wrote: You're right I did not watch the video. I saw the replay. I saw absolutely nothing that is remarkable from this guy that Mvp or MMA or whatever Korean Terran can't do. Edited. Basically, MVP was a professional BW player and his claim to fame was taking a game off of Flash in a bo5 (meaning he got 3-1'd) if that tells you anything. Flash is extremely dominant in BW and has been for the last few years, he's only been playing for ~1 month and he's already at that level, which is quite impressive. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:58 brokenLoL wrote: You're right I did not watch the video. I saw the replay. I saw absolutely nothing that is remarkable from this guy that Mvp or MMA or whatever Korean Terran can't do. Edited. MMA, MVP and all of the current top SC2 pros in korea couldn't compete in the hardest game ever created (StarCraft: Brood War). Here's MC: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/640_MC Here's MVP: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP Here's MMA: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/665_MMA Here's Flash: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/424_Flash See the difference? They were all considered newbies compared to Flash in a game that was completely balanced. Flash has played SC2 for 1 month in every match-up and has won against a player who's played since beta and 10+ hours a day (Kawaiirice). Everybody is making such a big deal because Flash doesn't even understand the game yet and considers himself a newbie even when he's beating players such as Kawaiirice. Also, keep in mind that this is Masters on the Korean ladder not NA, not EU, and not SEA but the hardest ladder out there. Masters in Korea is > Grand Master on any other server. Basically, Flash can do everything that these guys can't. Give him the same amount of time that MVP and MMA and any other korean pro has played the game and he will surely exceed them. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:35 BlazeFury01 wrote: See the difference? They were all considered newbies compared to Flash in a game that was completely balanced While most of what you said is true... that line, not quite. ZvP is a testament to that. | ||
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:44 brokenLoL wrote: So he has a few championships. NaDa has the same amount as this guy when I checked. OMG...I really dunno what to say.Yeah, Flash is only another guy who dominated the most balanced game and won most of the major tournies. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
I can't wait to watch some official games of Flash, and I hope it's someone who matches up well, i want to see BW style back and forth games! Moarrr Flash | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:45 Skwid1g wrote: While most of what you said is true... that line, not quite. ZvP is a testament to that. Imbalanced for P or Z? | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
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Darkman
United States64 Posts
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On May 14 2012 08:43 Darkman wrote: Yeah desrow beat him. He only had 56% win rate so it's not like he marched through the KR ladder undefeated lol. This is all just him learning the game. Thanks! | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
Historically Z > P | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
And then again ZvP has been very hard at pro level this season. No idea what this means in term of progress (I only remember Kawairiice from his days as a bw streamer, and I kniw he's a decent sc2 player), but I'm a bit doubtful if this is the quality of play we are to expect next sunday :/ | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 14 2012 08:07 v3chr0 wrote: Thanks for the videos! I can't wait to watch some official games of Flash, and I hope it's someone who matches up well, i want to see BW style back and forth games! Moarrr Flash Flash is the mind-game Terran, expect the exact opposite Quick note: Hydras > Goliaths Flash > Balance | ||
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