On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM 236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud
The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.
sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm
no, according to Sc2gears website,
4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II.
Ah, I mustve disabled it at some point then. Regardless it is true that it only tells you bw apm if it is enabled in settings
On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote: If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/
I agree 100%.
i dont agree 100%. many people including myself and you too refresh TL many many times an hour looking for new content or discussion to read. however i dont enjoy opening an old thread in hopes of new content and finding spam trolls. i can refresh. see a fresh replay from whoever, Its not like new threads are booming nonstop and its out of control.
Subscibed Threads will solve you problem.
Maybe release replay packs instead of individual replays for a thread. Less spammy.
On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote: lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO
As BW and SC2 forums combine there is going to be alot of this.
On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote: lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO
It's God's replay.
It's a replay.
that show us God playing!...seriously now stop pretending this is not important.. its hugeee.. it could be the first replay of one of the best players ever in the history of rts games (if not the best.. ) playing sc2.
I would have to agree it's just a replay. Would rather have seen a collection of replays.
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM 236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud
The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.
sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm
no, according to Sc2gears website,
4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II.
on top of that, you are saying kawaiirice has close to or over 500 apm average
replay just shows that strategic choices wins the game.
kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash.
there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army.
TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement.
Its not 100% confirmed but Kawaii says GG God at the end..and this is the same account from the one that GTR showed FlaSh playing in the gaming house. So i think its legit.
enlighten me on how to distinguish barcode accounts.
The Flash account is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. No other account of that exact name exists on KR, and it is already confirmed to be Flash's account by looking through the match history of the guy he beat in the fpvod.
it makes sense now KTFLASH are 7 letters :O
his name when typed on the key board is 7 letters. 이영호 = dldudgh
Flash's reputation as the 'turtle terran' is from before 2010. From 2010 to present, he's actually been insanely aggressive in TvP and TvZ.
His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked).
I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do.
On May 13 2012 15:23 GT350 wrote: Wow that was total domination. And he just started playing SC2?
He played some like 6 months ago. He practice alot recently. Totally time of playing is like 1-2 months top. Also, he has to play 2 games now BW and SC2 since the upcoming Proleague feature both of them with SC2 being the ace match.
On May 13 2012 15:59 Hinanawi wrote: Flash's reputation as the 'turtle terran' is from before 2010. From 2010 to present, he's actually been insanely aggressive in TvP and TvZ.
His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked).
I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do.
I'm extremely sad that we live in a time where it was not Jaedong as the Zerg that was mentioned Hopefully his mental fortitude will bring him back to the top like it has before -sorry off topic-
On May 13 2012 15:43 getpicture wrote: replay just shows that strategic choices wins the game.
kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash.
there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army.
TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement.
Agreed. I'd like to make a joke on how Flash actually spends 5 hours a day doing mathematical equations for Starcraft and that's how he wins game (not actually playing games)... but it's actually true (sort of). (I remember reading that he actually did spend about 3 hours or so each day doing that in BW.)
Knowing all the timings (at 5 minute, if the opponent is mining gas for 2 minutes starting at 3 mins, what availible options does the opponent have?) and what to do at that point is very important.
You only need like 60-100 APM (and the ability to go up to 200-300 APM in times of intensive action) to play really good (being vague with "good" on purpose) at SC2.
Having good macro (not floating minerals or gas if possible) + micro (marine splits, etc).
I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret.
It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc.