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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 13 2012 05:16 GMT
#161
On May 13 2012 14:08 dacimvrl wrote:
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On May 13 2012 11:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote:
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.

sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm



no, according to Sc2gears website,

4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II.

Ah, I mustve disabled it at some point then. Regardless it is true that it only tells you bw apm if it is enabled in settings
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 05:33:40
May 13 2012 05:27 GMT
#162
On May 13 2012 01:17 Warillions wrote:
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On May 13 2012 01:12 Cokefreak wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:09 ragnorr wrote:
If these threads are going to pop up every single time a high name BW progamer replay gets leaked there should really be made a thread for it :/

I agree 100%.

i dont agree 100%. many people including myself and you too refresh TL many many times an hour looking for new content or discussion to read. however i dont enjoy opening an old thread in hopes of new content and finding spam trolls. i can refresh. see a fresh replay from whoever, Its not like new threads are booming nonstop and its out of control.


Subscibed Threads will solve you problem.

Maybe release replay packs instead of individual replays for a thread. Less spammy.


On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote:
lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO


As BW and SC2 forums combine there is going to be alot of this.


On May 13 2012 01:58 0kz wrote:
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On May 13 2012 01:53 FliedLice wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:48 SimDawg wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:46 KawaiiRice wrote:
lol a whole thread dedicated to one replay >_> OO


It's God's replay.


It's a replay.


that show us God playing!...seriously now stop pretending this is not important.. its hugeee.. it could be the first replay of one of the best players ever in the history of rts games (if not the best.. ) playing sc2.


I would have to agree it's just a replay. Would rather have seen a collection of replays.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 13 2012 05:30 GMT
#163
On May 13 2012 01:33 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
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On May 13 2012 01:14 BumsenDK wrote:
40 apm flash.. seems unlikely.

maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : )


Its like that game where he just took out his ruler after getting his workers going to make sure all the spacing was right.
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sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
May 13 2012 05:38 GMT
#164
On May 13 2012 14:30 Antisocialmunky wrote:
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On May 13 2012 01:33 A-p-p-l-e-s wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:14 BumsenDK wrote:
40 apm flash.. seems unlikely.

maybe he is playing sc1 at the same time? : )


Its like that game where he just took out his ruler after getting his workers going to make sure all the spacing was right.


Or when he drinks WD-40 I mean Pocari Sweat for his robotic arm.
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Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
May 13 2012 06:21 GMT
#165
i like how flash doesnt spam and goes 340 apm
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 13 2012 06:21 GMT
#166
On May 13 2012 14:08 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote:
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.

sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm



no, according to Sc2gears website,

4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II.



on top of that, you are saying kawaiirice has close to or over 500 apm average
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GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
May 13 2012 06:23 GMT
#167
Wow that was total domination. And he just started playing SC2?
Lowko
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands286 Posts
May 13 2012 06:35 GMT
#168
There, casted it and uploaded it on the youtubez. :D
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getpicture
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
May 13 2012 06:43 GMT
#169
replay just shows that strategic choices wins the game.

kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash.

there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army.

TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 13 2012 06:44 GMT
#170
On May 13 2012 08:44 Greenei wrote:
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On May 13 2012 08:13 eviltomahawk wrote:
On May 13 2012 08:11 babybell wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:05 Crying wrote:
Hello Guys,

It's from by.FlaSh's Facebook /its not his ,its a fan one/



http://drop.sc/178342

Its not 100% confirmed but Kawaii says GG God at the end..and this is the same account from the one that GTR showed FlaSh playing in the gaming house.
So i think its legit.

enlighten me on how to distinguish barcode accounts.

The Flash account is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. No other account of that exact name exists on KR, and it is already confirmed to be Flash's account by looking through the match history of the guy he beat in the fpvod.


it makes sense now KTFLASH are 7 letters :O

his name when typed on the key board is 7 letters. 이영호 = dldudgh
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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
May 13 2012 06:48 GMT
#171
I wouldn't mind a new thread everytime a new falsh replay pops up ... at least for now. Hope the first JD rep finds its way to the public soon!
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
May 13 2012 06:52 GMT
#172
He said he hotkey his units in the same way as he does in SC:BW does anyone know what are his hotkeys in SC:BW ?
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 06:59:15
May 13 2012 06:56 GMT
#173
On May 13 2012 15:52 NIIINO wrote:
He said he hotkey his units in the same way as he does in SC:BW does anyone know what are his hotkeys in SC:BW ?

default? i dont think kespa allows modifying hotkeys.

probably something like
m for marines
f for marauders
w for vikings
etc.
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
May 13 2012 06:59 GMT
#174
Flash's reputation as the 'turtle terran' is from before 2010. From 2010 to present, he's actually been insanely aggressive in TvP and TvZ.

His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked).

I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
May 13 2012 07:01 GMT
#175
On May 13 2012 15:35 Lowko wrote:
There, casted it and uploaded it on the youtubez. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o0jugQFgAY

Your video cuts out between 6:09 and 7:30 :/
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 13 2012 07:10 GMT
#176
On May 13 2012 15:23 GT350 wrote:
Wow that was total domination. And he just started playing SC2?

He played some like 6 months ago. He practice alot recently. Totally time of playing is like 1-2 months top.
Also, he has to play 2 games now BW and SC2 since the upcoming Proleague feature both of them with SC2 being the ace match.

GG GOD!! and Dat drop is sexy!!!
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
May 13 2012 07:19 GMT
#177
On May 13 2012 15:59 Hinanawi wrote:
Flash's reputation as the 'turtle terran' is from before 2010. From 2010 to present, he's actually been insanely aggressive in TvP and TvZ.

His anti-fans will always find something to complain about, though. They used to complain that all he could do is turtle, then they complain that all he can do is early timing pushes. Flash almost always has a backup plan though, it's very rare that he goes 'all in' with an early timing (as in, if the attack fails then he's fucked).

I hope that HotS will raise the skill ceiling more so that players like Flash(T), Bisu(P) and Soulkey(Z) can show us what SC2 can do.


I'm extremely sad that we live in a time where it was not Jaedong as the Zerg that was mentioned
Hopefully his mental fortitude will bring him back to the top like it has before
-sorry off topic-
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TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 07:32:21
May 13 2012 07:19 GMT
#178
On May 13 2012 01:21 iAmJeffReY wrote:
lol Was this after the 45 or so minute TvP KRice played where the epic nuke killed the protoss entire army?
Show nested quote +
He still had very good mechanics, he just wasent known for being fast if you compaire him to jaedong for instance. Does not mean he was this slow


...236 apm is not at all slow...
Also it is SC2 apm. If you put it to a full minute it fits the profile of Flash's BW apm just about.

Edit: I was wrong, that number is from SC2 gears.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 07:24:12
May 13 2012 07:22 GMT
#179
On May 13 2012 15:43 getpicture wrote:
replay just shows that strategic choices wins the game.

kawaiirice's obsession with APM is probably why he's not getting any better. he was staring at the replay and 'could not fathom on why he lost and looked in noob awe of flash.

there are tons of inefficient progamers who have terrible hotkey setup and spam click too many times and cycle through buildings unnecessarily. of course its to warm up their hands, but it has the consequence of muscle memory i.e even when macroing perfectly, kawaiirice spent too much time/apm doing nothing instead of repositioning army.

TvT unlike the other matchups does not just involve macroing and clashing armies. even if u miss a beat in macro, you can make up for it in army movement.


Agreed. I'd like to make a joke on how Flash actually spends 5 hours a day doing mathematical equations for Starcraft and that's how he wins game (not actually playing games)... but it's actually true (sort of). (I remember reading that he actually did spend about 3 hours or so each day doing that in BW.)

Knowing all the timings (at 5 minute, if the opponent is mining gas for 2 minutes starting at 3 mins, what availible options does the opponent have?) and what to do at that point is very important.

You only need like 60-100 APM (and the ability to go up to 200-300 APM in times of intensive action) to play really good (being vague with "good" on purpose) at SC2.

Having good macro (not floating minerals or gas if possible) + micro (marine splits, etc).
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xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
May 13 2012 07:26 GMT
#180
I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret.

It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc.
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