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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
May 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#141
On May 13 2012 08:13 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 08:11 babybell wrote:
On May 13 2012 01:05 Crying wrote:
Hello Guys,

It's from by.FlaSh's Facebook /its not his ,its a fan one/



http://drop.sc/178342

Its not 100% confirmed but Kawaii says GG God at the end..and this is the same account from the one that GTR showed FlaSh playing in the gaming house.
So i think its legit.

enlighten me on how to distinguish barcode accounts.

The Flash account is lllllll, or 7 lowercase L characters. No other account of that exact name exists on KR, and it is already confirmed to be Flash's account by looking through the match history of the guy he beat in the fpvod.


it makes sense now KTFLASH are 7 letters :O
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#142
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 13 2012 07:30 Aelfric wrote:

lol some of that is gold (:
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 12 2012 23:57 GMT
#143
On May 13 2012 08:44 Aunvilgod wrote:
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On May 13 2012 08:42 Greenei wrote:
His unitcontrol, macro, decisionmaking etc. are already top notch. Only his timings suck bigtime. Just look at the armory or the second factory, way off. But I'm sure he can sort that out after a few month and dominate the scene.



His descisionmaking was not very good imo.

A perfect example of bad decision making.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
May 13 2012 00:07 GMT
#144
On May 13 2012 01:16 c78331 wrote:
236 apm with 186 eapm, is flash considered "slow" because he doesn't spam at all?
That's very fast already!

Thats about how fast marineking plays. I think thats pretty fast considering how fast he got to that point.
ok
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 00:08:45
May 13 2012 00:08 GMT
#145
hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 13 2012 00:12 GMT
#146
Flashhhhhhhhhh <3
My aim in life now is to watch Flash play SC2 live xD
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8698 Posts
May 13 2012 00:26 GMT
#147
On May 13 2012 09:08 -Exalt- wrote:
hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time.


If you want to see insane apm watch out for Jaedong not Flash. When July was in his prime he also had ridiculously high apm, but that time is long ago.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 00:31:55
May 13 2012 00:26 GMT
#148
On May 13 2012 09:08 -Exalt- wrote:
hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time.

No Flash doesn't have "insane" APM. Guys like By.hero, hyuk, HiyA, Bisu, BaBy etc would have that since they are reaching over 400-500 apm quiet often. In BW Flash has like mid 300 but doesn't spam and in SC2 there is just not as much to do and he is still learning so he don't know what do to yet so thats why it's only in the 200 range atm in that replay I think. But also have in mind that almost 200 EAPM is really sick in SC2 and most foreigners can't even get past 130-150 so just have in mind how preciesly and meaningful all his actions are in the game.

He has insane mechanics tho. But mechanics not just APM!
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 00:44:54
May 13 2012 00:42 GMT
#149
On May 13 2012 01:40 poorcloud wrote:
Yeah, if you guys actually watched the replay, flashs resource was so low the whole time while he was microing his army and expanding and rallying his troops perfectly. He even did a drop and an attack from the front. If he can do it with 200 + eapm, why does he need 400 apm? Its probably him since he dosen't spam.


Yeah guys.

If he has to use 1,000 APM for a moment to do a crazy drop, he does it, otherwise he doesn't do it and only uses the APM needed to do stuff.

When I went back to playing BW for a bit (after SC2), may APM went up a ton.

However going back to playing SC2, APM isn't as high because there just isn't as much to do.

"Spamming" sometimes help for some but sometimes it's not even needed at all.
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Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 00:47:37
May 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#150
Edit...messed up
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 13 2012 01:48 GMT
#151
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
May 13 2012 02:17 GMT
#152
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.
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FreaKasparov
Profile Joined March 2011
England14 Posts
May 13 2012 02:33 GMT
#153
wankers

User was warned for this post
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 13 2012 02:38 GMT
#154
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.

Yep. He's got something like 170 APM (Blizzard's time) and 134 EAPM, that is to say, a very low redundancy (20%, which is MKP's level of redundancy). Interestingly enough, although KawaiiRice was a bit doubtful at how low Flash's APM were, Flash ends up having more EAPM than him
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
May 13 2012 02:38 GMT
#155
Spamming, or even speed in general, are not the most important things when you're learning a new game. Flash knows this, of course, and is therefore only playing with one hand.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 13 2012 02:39 GMT
#156
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.

sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
May 13 2012 03:35 GMT
#157
"GG god"
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
May 13 2012 05:04 GMT
#158
"This replay has been downloaded 8832 times."

HOLY. SHIT. There goes anonymity for your smurf account Young Ho Ssi.
In Inca we trust
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 05:08:32
May 13 2012 05:08 GMT
#159
On May 13 2012 11:39 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:17 TheEmulator wrote:
On May 13 2012 10:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM
236 SC2 APM is equal to 326 BW APM. Seriously guys, its in the liquipedia for crying out loud

The 236 apm that Flash had in that game was taken from a program called sc2gears which is real apm(bw apm). His ingame starcraft 2 apm was around 180 or something like that.

sc2gears only tells you bw apm if you tell it to in the settings. I didnt see anybody mention that they changed the setting and I havent downloaded the replay, I just figured people were using ingame apm/eapm



no, according to Sc2gears website,

4. By default real time and real APM values are displayed and used which differ from values displayed in StarCraft II.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 05:16:13
May 13 2012 05:10 GMT
#160
On May 13 2012 01:18 TR wrote:
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On May 13 2012 01:14 BumsenDK wrote:
40 apm flash.. seems unlikely.

Flash has never been insanely fast player.


Uhh...if by not insanely fast you mean maybe one tiny step down from the multitask gods Bisu/BaBy/perhaps JD...then yea.

FlaSh seems to be situationally fast. He doesn't play insane mode fast (like 180-200 eapm at lulls in game) but when shit starts to happen he can go crazy mode. There are various games of him where he has sustained over 300 EAPM for large portions of the game. That's fast as hell.

FlaSh doesn't always show or do builds that require insane multitasking (does sometimes though) but make no mistake he is damn near as fast as anyone in BW.


On May 13 2012 09:26 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 09:08 -Exalt- wrote:
hmm i have about the same in-game APM as him, but his multitasking/macro/decision making is insane. just strange though as I've always heard people talk about Flash's insane APM.. maybe it has something to do with him adjusting to sc2 though and it will go up in time.


If you want to see insane apm watch out for Jaedong not Flash. When July was in his prime he also had ridiculously high apm, but that time is long ago.


Why are people talking about APM in this fashion. JD has about 50-100 more apm than Bisu typically (low 400's vs low 300's). Bisu though is arguably faster because he also plays very efficient and doesn't cycle keys as much.

You can have 500 apm and be slow as shit...if I sit there the entire game and spam 0/8 for probe/nexus I can have 500+ apm and still be slow as hell.

While APM correlates with multitask/"fastness" it's a loose correlation at best. You can be fast as all hell with low 300's high 200's if your not much of a cycler/spammer, and be pretty slow with 300+ if your a crazy spam machine. It's really evident sometimes in streams...you'll be watching someone and think: "wow this dude is pretty fast" and then find out he only has 220 APM but doesn't waste actions.
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