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crms
United States11933 Posts
lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing. I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:26 xza wrote: I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret. It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc. Pro replays barely appear before a tournament nowadays. and when the tournaments release the replays the metagame has shifted by then most likely so it doesnt matter | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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BagelyBagels
United States55 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:51 Neurosis wrote: His apm wasn't "omg insanely fast" but his multi tasking was. He was everywhere at once, and despite his apm being lower than kawai he still had smoother macro. He completely outmaneuvered his opponent in every way. Everything that was thrown at him was blocked and all of his moves landed perfectly. Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing sc2 very long and he is already incredibly good. Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still. Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate. Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me? | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote: Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash" He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still. Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate. Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me? Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:53 BagelyBagels wrote: Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty. That isn't the point. The point is, watching from flash's perspective the skill is extremely obvious. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:26 SupLilSon wrote: Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time. But it seems more like a common sense thing that would transfer from BW, doesn't it? I'm not exactly a grandmaster nor am I paid $400,000 to play an RTS, but even I would say. "Hey, I'm doing a mineral intensive build. I better saturate minerals before grabbing gas here." Maybe I'm just looking too much into it. Still not sold though. | ||
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HQuality
2682 Posts
well yeah looks like it's true | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On May 13 2012 16:45 crms wrote: cool, thanks for linking the thread. lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing. I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT. Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote: I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:40 canikizu wrote: Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month. There's no telling if Flash is the only one using that account. Pro gamers are known to share accounts with other players. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:50 BlazeFury01 wrote: Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder. Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
But that game was defined by KR's mistakes, rather than any genius move on Flash's part. I hope this isn't indicative of KawaiiRice's skill level or his training habits. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote: Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. He was definitely laddering hardcore on this account due to the sheer # of games played in the amount of time that its been active. It definitely seems like he switched accounts now since he hasn't played any games since vs Kawaii.  | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote: Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all. Yeah? Well, he didn't have to say: Flash? And: gg god. That's waaay more obvious then just uploading a rep to TL. | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
I would be annoyed too if everyone was releasing every replay of them beating a pro gamer plus im sure he has the money to buy as many sc2 accounts as he wants ^_- | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
undoubtedly, in this single game, his macro was great, and how he would rehotkey rallied units while continuing pressure was great as well. i don't think it's enough to say something like, 'mm, yes this is where heads will roll'. there are many starcraft 2 players who have very interesting or incredible methods of playing. i'm only worried that the amount and style of practice (online ladder) strips them of that, if only a little. it did not use to be an issue for team-members to constantly stream for themselves or as part of the team. i don't see that as any sort of problem with a motivated A or S-class player coming from BW play if you want to see flash go god mode, you had seriously better get used to a bit of some disappointment as he's practicing&playing both games you may think that handspeed and dexterity is basically a non-factor after a certain level of play (in SC2), but there is always a chance that that those couple of educated actions wins you the game in an amazing fashion. once you reach that sort of speed yourself, you can tell me what difference or non-difference it made to your game. | ||
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