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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
May 13 2012 07:45 GMT
#181
cool, thanks for linking the thread.

lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing.

I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT.
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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
May 13 2012 07:47 GMT
#182
On May 13 2012 16:26 xza wrote:
I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret.

It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc.

Pro replays barely appear before a tournament nowadays. and when the tournaments release the replays the metagame has shifted by then most likely so it doesnt matter
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Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 07:52:03
May 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#183
His apm wasn't "omg insanely fast" but his multi tasking was. He was everywhere at once, and despite his apm being lower than kawai he still had smoother macro. He completely outmaneuvered his opponent in every way. Everything that was thrown at him was blocked and all of his moves landed perfectly. Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing sc2 very long and he is already incredibly good.
BagelyBagels
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
May 13 2012 07:53 GMT
#184
On May 13 2012 16:51 Neurosis wrote:
His apm wasn't "omg insanely fast" but his multi tasking was. He was everywhere at once, and despite his apm being lower than kawai he still had smoother macro. He completely outmaneuvered his opponent in every way. Everything that was thrown at him was blocked and all of his moves landed perfectly. Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing sc2 very long and he is already incredibly good.


Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 13 2012 08:11 GMT
#185
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
May 13 2012 08:15 GMT
#186
I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 13 2012 08:26 GMT
#187
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote:
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?


Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time.
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
May 13 2012 08:29 GMT
#188
On May 13 2012 16:53 BagelyBagels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 16:51 Neurosis wrote:
His apm wasn't "omg insanely fast" but his multi tasking was. He was everywhere at once, and despite his apm being lower than kawai he still had smoother macro. He completely outmaneuvered his opponent in every way. Everything that was thrown at him was blocked and all of his moves landed perfectly. Also keep in mind he hasn't been playing sc2 very long and he is already incredibly good.


Yes KawaiiRice is the gate keeper into accessing incredibly good status ty.


That isn't the point. The point is, watching from flash's perspective the skill is extremely obvious.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
May 13 2012 08:30 GMT
#189
Lol the fanboys in this thread. Waiting until next weekend for the pro league to judge his skill.
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
May 13 2012 08:35 GMT
#190
On May 13 2012 17:26 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote:
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?


Yes, he has been playing the game for a fraction of the time of anyone else at his MMR has been. Ofc he will not be perfect yet, he will make mistakes. The impressive part is that despite his play being unrefined and obviously still developing, he is already near the top of KR ladder after a very short time.


But it seems more like a common sense thing that would transfer from BW, doesn't it? I'm not exactly a grandmaster nor am I paid $400,000 to play an RTS, but even I would say. "Hey, I'm doing a mineral intensive build. I better saturate minerals before grabbing gas here."

Maybe I'm just looking too much into it. Still not sold though.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 08:47:08
May 13 2012 08:36 GMT
#191
watched rep
well yeah looks like it's true
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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 08:42:11
May 13 2012 08:40 GMT
#192
On May 13 2012 16:45 crms wrote:
cool, thanks for linking the thread.

lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing.

I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT.

Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month.

BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 13 2012 08:50 GMT
#193
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover


Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
May 13 2012 08:52 GMT
#194
On May 13 2012 17:40 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 16:45 crms wrote:
cool, thanks for linking the thread.

lol at everyone saying 'whocares' about this or is 'unimpressed' if this was anyone other than flash you'd be insanely impressed that someone playing a month completely tooled a sponsored professional player since beta in ~4 weeks of playing.

I dont care how good you think Flash is supposed to be after 4 weeks but he just beat a pro player while basically 'winging it' his build didn't even really make sense to any timings we see right now in TvT.

Playing 500+ games is not 'winging it'. You can say that he's trying to get all the timing right and is improving, but it's not 'winging it' in any sense. You are dismissing all of his hard work for the last whole month.



There's no telling if Flash is the only one using that account. Pro gamers are known to share accounts with other players.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
May 13 2012 08:53 GMT
#195
On May 13 2012 17:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover


Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder.


Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all.
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
May 13 2012 08:57 GMT
#196
Impressed with Flash's skill after such a short period of time.

But that game was defined by KR's mistakes, rather than any genius move on Flash's part. I hope this isn't indicative of KawaiiRice's skill level or his training habits.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
May 13 2012 09:01 GMT
#197
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover


Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder.


Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all.


He was definitely laddering hardcore on this account due to the sheer # of games played in the amount of time that its been active. It definitely seems like he switched accounts now since he hasn't played any games since vs Kawaii.
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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 09:11:28
May 13 2012 09:07 GMT
#198
On May 13 2012 17:53 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On May 13 2012 17:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I don't think flash has played a game since beating kawaii. I think kawaii has blown our cover


Yeah people like Kawaii piss me off. Just because you know somebody is using a certain ID you don't have to let them know that you know. Somebody like Flash is most likely to change IDs or buy a new CD for a new ID if he know's his cover is blown. Flash is probably now using a different ID regardless of where he was on the ladder.


Are you serious? Flash probably has a multitude of accounts to pick from to practise. Kawaiirice did the whole community a favour by sharing that replay when he didn't need to at all.


Yeah? Well, he didn't have to say: Flash? And: gg god. That's waaay more obvious then just uploading a rep to TL.
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
May 13 2012 09:13 GMT
#199
He probably switched accounts when word got out that the llllll account was an account he was using

I would be annoyed too if everyone was releasing every replay of them beating a pro gamer

plus im sure he has the money to buy as many sc2 accounts as he wants ^_-
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 09:27:53
May 13 2012 09:25 GMT
#200
i find most of this thread full of some form of player bashing, or overhyping.

undoubtedly, in this single game, his macro was great, and how he would rehotkey rallied units while continuing pressure was great as well. i don't think it's enough to say something like, 'mm, yes this is where heads will roll'.

there are many starcraft 2 players who have very interesting or incredible methods of playing.
i'm only worried that the amount and style of practice (online ladder) strips them of that, if only a little.
it did not use to be an issue for team-members to constantly stream for themselves or as part of the team.
i don't see that as any sort of problem with a motivated A or S-class player coming from BW play

if you want to see flash go god mode, you had seriously better get used to a bit of some disappointment as he's practicing&playing both games

you may think that handspeed and dexterity is basically a non-factor after a certain level of play (in SC2), but there is always a chance that that those couple of educated actions wins you the game in an amazing fashion.
once you reach that sort of speed yourself, you can tell me what difference or non-difference it made to your game.
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