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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
May 13 2012 12:06 GMT
#221
http://sc2ranks.com/search/starts/fea/lllllll o/
Reval
Profile Joined January 2012
United States297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 12:08:36
May 13 2012 12:08 GMT
#222
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote:
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?


Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave.

Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
May 13 2012 12:10 GMT
#223
Quick, someone calculate the number of possible permutations for creating a 7 character name from capital "i"s and small "L"s.
#1 Grubby Fan.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
May 13 2012 12:17 GMT
#224
It's obviously 2^7. How is this basic math too hard for you?
Deleted User 245622
Profile Joined January 2012
184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 12:17:58
May 13 2012 12:17 GMT
#225
I think it is 2^7 = 128

edit: too late :D
Youtakenocandle
Profile Joined February 2012
543 Posts
May 13 2012 12:25 GMT
#226
On May 13 2012 19:05 darkness wrote:


That game is already casted.


Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it?
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
May 13 2012 12:28 GMT
#227
On May 13 2012 21:25 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 19:05 darkness wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBthYyfGbZk

That game is already casted.


Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it?


NO!

Deal with it.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
komokun
Profile Joined July 2011
France343 Posts
May 13 2012 12:41 GMT
#228
In that replay, god got sloppy. First supply block at 193/193.
Seriously Flash making supply is pretty impressive.
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
May 13 2012 12:44 GMT
#229
On May 13 2012 16:26 xza wrote:
I sincerely hope that the replays of the BW pros will not get distributed out in the future. Even maybe in MLG or dreamhack or some random online tournament. The reason is because for them to maintain that high standard, their strategies and POV's must be kept secret.

It sucks to be us yes but I believe this is adds more value to tournaments because nobody can just load up their replays and study them weeks before etc.



This is less relevant than in BW.

It is easier to extract information from SC2 vods because of UI helpers such as the Unit and Production tabs.
Also, if they wanna compete in MLG , IPL or Dreamhack their replays will be released anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
May 13 2012 12:52 GMT
#230
After watching that Husky vod - Tournaments should really start using the BW music in the background instead of the SC2 music. The whole game just gets a better atmosphere from it. ^^
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
May 13 2012 12:58 GMT
#231
they should use all BW sound sincerely, they are far more awesome than the SC2 one...
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 13 2012 12:59 GMT
#232
On May 13 2012 21:08 Reval wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote:
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?


Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave.


kr had combat shields and more marines. cant blame him for not trying.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
May 13 2012 13:00 GMT
#233
On May 13 2012 21:10 Derrida wrote:
Quick, someone calculate the number of possible permutations for creating a 7 character name from capital "i"s and small "L"s.


On May 13 2012 21:17 Jinsho wrote:
It's obviously 2^7. How is this basic math too hard for you?


Doesn't matter anyway, since players can have identical names as long as they have different character codes.
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
May 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#234
On May 13 2012 21:08 Reval wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 17:11 Dosey wrote:
Not really sold yet... That game highlighted KRs mistakes more than the skills of this alleged "Flash"

He put himself in a poor position multiple times and had poor decision making when it mattered. He may have psyched himself out by thinking it was flash I guess... But still.

Plus all that banked gas didn't make much sense to me. He (Flash) had 1000-2000 gas banked and was still building refineries on his expos. Granted... that could be attributed to BW and being used to only having one/no gas at your bases and grabbing them immediately for tanks (Unless Bisu steals it like 7 times). But it still feels like a mistake to grab gas immediately on an expo rather than saturate.

Then again, I don't play Terran exclusively so perhaps someone can enlighten me?


Yeah, I thought that. When he stimmed up into that choke next to the destructable rocks he just got massacred by the huge concave.




I did a quick simulation of the engagement that excited me using a unit test map so probabaly not the most accurate.

I got the same number of units/upgrades for each person. Had an observer off to the side to "simulate" the xel'naga tower that kawaii rice had. Also had about half of flash's army outside the vision of the obs (xel'naga). Then i stimmed and 1-a'd kawaiis units up a ramp.

It ended up showing flash losing that engagement with kawaii rice having 14 marines left. Quite a large margin compared to the match that shows flash winning that engagement with 9 marines and a tank.

However this was just a quick simulation on a unit tester map. I personally question the validity of this simulation until i can get a friend to test that engagement on that same map (with the main difference of no micro).

It seems in the replay that due to all the pull backs and push forwards not only did flash have more medivacs but with the placement of them above the army instead of behind them lead to them healing the units more then kawaii's 2 medivacs healed for.

Im actually a little obsessed with that engagement (i should get out more)

So my personal initial conclusion,
The high ground advantage was partially nullified by the xel'naga.
The Choke/concave seemed to help but not enough to win that battle.

The main difference seemed to be the pull backs (from both players) combined with the placement of the medivacs. Which resulted in flash's 4 medivacs healing for longer while kawaii rice's 2 medivacs were not healing for as long.

I dont know if any of this was intentional or not but it's given me some intresting thoughts about future games and micro when you have the medivac advantage.

Also i need to get out more rather then obsessing about a single engagement in a single replay so much ...
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 13 2012 15:32 GMT
#235
It shows how much he has to improve.
That last move-out was okay though, not that impressive to be honest.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
May 13 2012 16:01 GMT
#236
On May 13 2012 21:25 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 19:05 darkness wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBthYyfGbZk

That game is already casted.


Yikes, been a while since I heard husky with his annoying voice and intro. Anyone else that casted it?


Yeah just youtube.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
May 13 2012 16:11 GMT
#237
On May 14 2012 00:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
It shows how much he has to improve.
That last move-out was okay though, not that impressive to be honest.



Yeah, 1 month of inconsistent practice (he played 5 days before) to beat a NA Grandmaster player isn't impressive at all. Oh wait.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
May 13 2012 16:13 GMT
#238
On May 14 2012 01:11 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 00:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
It shows how much he has to improve.
That last move-out was okay though, not that impressive to be honest.



Yeah, 1 month of inconsistent practice (he played 5 days before) to beat a NA Grandmaster player isn't impressive at all. Oh wait.

KRice doesn't play on NA namo. He plays EU and KR. And is high masters (GM level) on EU.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Phantom_Sky
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong512 Posts
May 13 2012 16:25 GMT
#239
Flash's account?


http://sc2ranks.com/team/18050746
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3479253/1/lllllll/
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
May 13 2012 16:28 GMT
#240
On May 14 2012 01:25 Phantom_Sky wrote:
Flash's account?


http://sc2ranks.com/team/18050746
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3479253/1/lllllll/

Yes but ppl should stop linking it because Flash stopped playing it the moment ppl figured out it was him.
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