Seems like there is a huge buzz about Flash and other BW players switching over to SC2. I was surfing on DAUM, and found this picture:
This picture was taken from the new Team 8 house, and it seems like that the player on the far right is rank 3 in masters. Judging by his appearance and the fact that he selected Terran, I am quite sure this is BaBy.
It is rumored that some BW players are already in GM, and players such as firebathero and Neo.G_Soulkey are showing remarkable skill in SC2.
Considering how late they got their accounts (most likely) I don't think a high rank in their division means much. Each division is made up of 80 (I think) players, and while it's cool that he's rank 3, he probably isn't the same division as a lot of the really high point players. Rank 1 in one division might be something like an 1800 rating and rank 10 in another might be a 2500 rating. A lot of foreigners who play Korea are talking shit about FBH being pretty bad (lastshadow I think even said he played flash and he wasn't that good). They haven't been playing long, though. Despite mechanical skill, it will take awhile to gain enough knowledge not to die to all the crazy cheeses on Korea and make good decisions with their early game.
I find it amazing how they can reach masters easily, especially considering that some people tried without avail despite playing full-time. Obviously, this shows how talented these players are (not that I expected otherwise).
On May 12 2012 10:36 dronefarm wrote: Considering how late they got their accounts (most likely) I don't think a high rank in their division means much. Each division is made up of 80 (I think) players, and while it's cool that he's rank 3, he probably isn't the same division as a lot of the really high point players. Rank 1 in one division might be something like an 1800 rating and rank 10 in another might be a 2500 rating. A lot of foreigners who play Korea are talking shit about FBH being pretty bad (lastshadow I think even said he played flash and he wasn't that good). They haven't been playing long, though. Despite mechanical skill, it will take awhile to gain enough knowledge not to die to all the crazy cheeses on Korea and make good decisions with their early game.
Lastshadow was the only one saying that FBH was bad... and someone said they saw him play FBH on stream and that FBH smashed him that game....whether or not that is all true of course is a whole nother story, plus one game means nothing but still. I'd say with hold judgement until we actually see them play in a tournament/proleague setting.
The fact that they, in what a month or two have gotten to mid/high masters in KR is kind of impressive though. I look forward to seeing which ones can really kick ass in a couple more months with real practice/training.
On May 12 2012 10:36 dronefarm wrote: Considering how late they got their accounts (most likely) I don't think a high rank in their division means much. Each division is made up of 80 (I think) players, and while it's cool that he's rank 3, he probably isn't the same division as a lot of the really high point players. Rank 1 in one division might be something like an 1800 rating and rank 10 in another might be a 2500 rating. A lot of foreigners who play Korea are talking shit about FBH being pretty bad (lastshadow I think even said he played flash and he wasn't that good). They haven't been playing long, though. Despite mechanical skill, it will take awhile to gain enough knowledge not to die to all the crazy cheeses on Korea and make good decisions with their early game.
Even if they say that Flash, FBH, etc aren't that good. They should remember that they have been playing for less than a month Seriously while LS and other doubters have been playing for so long. And that BW pros are also practicing BW at the same time, so double the stress and effort
all of team 8 started exclusive practice of sc2 after the season was done since they were eliminated. And briefly returned to bw when helping skt practice for grand final.
So baby and rest of team 8 is a bit more ahead that KT and SKT, and presumably the other playoff teams.
On May 12 2012 11:01 N.geNuity wrote: all of team 8 started exclusive practice of sc2 after the season was done since they were eliminated. And briefly returned to bw when helping skt practice for grand final.
So baby and rest of team 8 is a bit more ahead that KT and SKT, and presumably the other playoff teams.
They were practicing even shortly after the Team was funded. Thus explaining their unadequacy for showing results because their focus have been diluted.
On May 12 2012 11:01 N.geNuity wrote: all of team 8 started exclusive practice of sc2 after the season was done since they were eliminated. And briefly returned to bw when helping skt practice for grand final.
So baby and rest of team 8 is a bit more ahead that KT and SKT, and presumably the other playoff teams.
Not to mention that all the Team 8 players are eliminated from OSL, so they will be in full gear preparing for Proleague this year.
It's interesting to me that the worst BW teams actually had the most time (and incentive) to start practicing SC2. It will certainly make for some interesting developments in this hybrid Proleague.
On May 12 2012 11:58 ObliviousNA wrote: As someone who doesn't follow BW that closely... I thought this was about a toddler prodigy. ><
If there was a like button on TL, i would push it for this post.
It's going to be interesting to see who comes out on the top for SC2. This is pretty much a hard reset on all BW players. Of course, ppl with rigorous training regimen will perform well as they usually have (the harshest training regimen i've heard of was Savior's back when he was playing: supposedly he only got 4 hours of sleep each night).
I think it's obvious that the best SC2 players from the Kespa teams in the near term will be the ones who "inexplicably" slumped during last season's proleague. We're going to soon be able to answer why so-and-so sucked last season.
Is the rule against Fomos content (like photos) still in effect?
It'll be interesting to see how the KeSPA players will play in the hybrid Proleague next week, especially considering how few are in GM and most are hanging around in upper Master league. And though they do command respectable win rates, I still wonder if a few can compete with the ladder monsters like MKP and ForGG.
Rank 3 Masters shouldn't be too big of a deal to be honest. A casual player can get Rank 50 or so Masters and if you're practicing 12 hours a day, Rank 3 shouldn't be too hard.
On May 12 2012 12:31 Kluey wrote: Rank 3 Masters shouldn't be too big of a deal to be honest. A casual player can get Rank 50 or so Masters and if you're practicing 12 hours a day, Rank 3 shouldn't be too hard.
youre using non korea logic
its much harder for a casual player to get to masters on korea let alone rank 3 at this point in time. Though he COULD be in a new division where it would mean nothing, but according to other posts in this topic he's been playing for a while.
if youre in the top 100 masters on korea you're capable of super ass kicking else where. Personally I am grandmaster on NA and EU and the highest ive been on korea is 80th (exactly 80) master overall (rank 2 in division) and I considered myself really damn good at the time. (now i dont play)
BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
On May 12 2012 10:42 JustPassingBy wrote: I find it amazing how they can reach masters easily, especially considering that some people tried without avail despite playing full-time. Obviously, this shows how talented these players are (not that I expected otherwise).
Some top poker players have won tournaments in a game they never played before. After just being told the rules.
Masters is top 2%. If you are any decent pro at BW. You would hit masters after learning the hotkeys and what units do what. Remember these people played practically the same game full time for years. I mean marine king beat a masters player using only the mouse... Pros are on a different level from casuals.
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
It's funny how people say SCBW and SCII are such different games, but then turn 180 and say it's not even remotely impressive or even a feat for these progamers from BW to ONLY be in top masters or gm. Life is a fickle thing aint it? Back on topic, I'm super pumped for these BW progamers to utterly WRECK house in SCII.
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
On May 12 2012 11:13 Risen wrote: Every one of these posts that doesn't mention jaedong makes my heart hurt...
hmm tbh i wouldve thought theyd keep flash and jaedong practicing a secret to announce a showmatch for Sc2 between them in a few months and surprise everyone that theyve been practicing. Assuming Flash is already practicing id bet anything jaedong prob is too. No point for jaedong to not begin to transition when BW in a few years will be all but pretty much dead and top competition would be moving onto Sc2.
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
If your talking about the re-rally...yea it's hella fast but I think most progamers can re-rally their gates/facts pretty quick and it isn't necessarily correlated to multitasking. You can be pretty slow and still have hella fast re-rallies.
On May 12 2012 10:39 amazingxkcd wrote: Well, it looks like that Team 8 is full-on for SC2, especially Baby who has done SC2 builds in BW matches
No man I think that's just the way he plays xd
Nah, baby used to be really top notch, but with Wemade disbanding, and Team 8 forming, he has yet to return to his peak. SC2 might have a massive effect based on what the Team 8 coaches and the players are saying about practice schedules for SC2.
On May 12 2012 10:36 dronefarm wrote: Considering how late they got their accounts (most likely) I don't think a high rank in their division means much. Each division is made up of 80 (I think) players, and while it's cool that he's rank 3, he probably isn't the same division as a lot of the really high point players. Rank 1 in one division might be something like an 1800 rating and rank 10 in another might be a 2500 rating. A lot of foreigners who play Korea are talking shit about FBH being pretty bad (lastshadow I think even said he played flash and he wasn't that good). They haven't been playing long, though. Despite mechanical skill, it will take awhile to gain enough knowledge not to die to all the crazy cheeses on Korea and make good decisions with their early game.
Lastshadow seems to always think he is playing vs pros. He could play IIIIIII who is a Protoss and automatically assume it is MC.
I've heard a lot about Neo.G_Soulkey being really good at SC2 already. I haven't heard anything about him switching races yet, though, so I'm assuming he's playing as Zerg. If that's the case then jeez, I really want to see him play. TT I hope he's one of the players invited to MLG.
On May 12 2012 10:39 amazingxkcd wrote: Well, it looks like that Team 8 is full-on for SC2, especially Baby who has done SC2 builds in BW matches
Good to see I'm not the only one who had the impression, watching the last Proleague. Especially Team 8 had some really iffy build orders, that strongly reminded me of SC2. There's definately hope for the upcoming season.
considering for how long some are already training, no big deal to be on spot 3 in a division. Especially if they started all at the same time it might have been that a new master division got opened. And as a bw player you are one thing, cheese/do or die proof, perfect for the korean ladder so to say. I mean if you have a little rts experience you are normally in masters within a few weeks on the eu server, so a progamer should manage the same on the korean server.
On May 12 2012 12:35 L_Master wrote: BaBy should be fun to watch develop. The only guy with multitasking to rival BaBy was Bisu so it's going to be really interesting to see how much he adapts and uses that in his SC2 playstyle
For those that want to see his BW play (34:30 is a good starting point):
Watch 49:00 on... How can one's hands get so fast...
If your talking about the re-rally...yea it's hella fast but I think most progamers can re-rally their gates/facts pretty quick and it isn't necessarily correlated to multitasking. You can be pretty slow and still have hella fast re-rallies.
that + rerally barracks/whatever in sc2 is hotkey+right click anywhere. but damn watching those fpvods brings me back years T_T watching sc2 pros play just isn't nearly as impressive as watching bw pros
I'm really looking forward to this PL season. I wonder if they still could provide awesome BW games while also showcase nice SC2 matches. It's for sure sad that this will be the last BW season but i'm really looking forward to those awesome players like Flash and JD playing and maybe redefining SC2 gameplay like they did in BW
On May 12 2012 12:31 Kluey wrote: Rank 3 Masters shouldn't be too big of a deal to be honest. A casual player can get Rank 50 or so Masters and if you're practicing 12 hours a day, Rank 3 shouldn't be too hard.
Yes on NA server which is horrendous . Rank 3 on KR = high GM on NA/EU.
Re-ralllying was always the biggest trouble i had in bw, i wish i had that skill to use in games would have been so much better re-rallying took like 30 seconds for me zzz...even with screen hotkeys
I'm not quite sure why all of these threads are being made. I mean, a LOT of BW players are paying SC2 now, and given the face that their hands have already been worked out enough from BW to master macro and some degree of micro in SC2, it should be no surprise that many of them have made masters and, in some cases, GM. Can we make a compendium of all confirmed BW players in SC2 and their leagues or something?
yea i remember when he looked liek this rofl. i was like what the fuck is this little kid doing hahahahha of course he loss his match but when he was on a hot streak he was taking out jaedong and flash. kid got good fast.
i love how sc2 is oddly enough completely different than sc1 and the progamers are literally learning a new game, i wont be surprised in the least to see the relatively 'unknown' sc1 players become stars over the already popular sc1 players.
in anycase... im most looking forward to seeing some insane strats and a new metagame
Can't hurt to properly capitalize BaBy, can it? Removes the (granted, pretty implausible) ambiguity in the title. "SC2 is so easy that even a baby can reach rank 3 masters".
The thread about them got closed due to the fact it had nothing interesting/worth translating. I believe they said it just basically states that they switched around where the players practice and stuff so that they are near the same race. Just to help them learn quicker and talk about strategy easier etc.
The thread about them got closed due to the fact it had nothing interesting/worth translating. I believe they said it just basically states that they switched around where the players practice and stuff so that they are near the same race. Just to help them learn quicker and talk about strategy easier etc.
right ^.^ he just said he want a picture of JD playing , so thats what i put there XD , but i totally agree with you!
The thread about them got closed due to the fact it had nothing interesting/worth translating. I believe they said it just basically states that they switched around where the players practice and stuff so that they are near the same race. Just to help them learn quicker and talk about strategy easier etc.
right ^.^ he just said he want a picture of JD playing , so thats what i put there XD , but i totally agree with you!
Ahh I thought they were talking about wanting info etc. My bad
On May 12 2012 11:01 N.geNuity wrote: all of team 8 started exclusive practice of sc2 after the season was done since they were eliminated. And briefly returned to bw when helping skt practice for grand final.
So baby and rest of team 8 is a bit more ahead that KT and SKT, and presumably the other playoff teams.
Where's the original post regarding Team 8? I was trying to find that article a few months ago regarding BW pros switching to SC2, and either I'm mildly retarded, or it's gone missing.
Well it's a good sign for SC2ers that the BW pros are already doing so well after such a short time. We'll see what their play looks like on the 20th...
why are people so bm to fbh and flash, they're already better than half the gamers out there and they just started recently, give em some months and they'll prove a lot of people wrong but then again those same people who were bm will probably support them, funny how it works out
On May 13 2012 04:54 bosnia wrote: why are people so bm to fbh and flash, they're already better than half the gamers out there and they just started recently, give em some months and they'll prove a lot of people wrong but then again those same people who were bm will probably support them, funny how it works out
They are in denial, but the future is inevitable. We are all doomed!
On May 13 2012 04:54 bosnia wrote: why are people so bm to fbh and flash, they're already better than half the gamers out there and they just started recently, give em some months and they'll prove a lot of people wrong but then again those same people who were bm will probably support them, funny how it works out
People have crazy expectations they make in their head. Perfection requires practice.
On May 13 2012 04:54 bosnia wrote: why are people so bm to fbh and flash, they're already better than half the gamers out there and they just started recently, give em some months and they'll prove a lot of people wrong but then again those same people who were bm will probably support them, funny how it works out
yea its true, without naming names, but i've seen quite a few posts, stream chats etc of mediocre pro gamers BM the skill level of the BW players, even when they lose to them... 2 months time and most of them players will never be taking maps off of them and will be desperate for their replays.. , but ya give them time, we will see them competing vs GSL players soon
On May 12 2012 12:31 Kluey wrote: Rank 3 Masters shouldn't be too big of a deal to be honest. A casual player can get Rank 50 or so Masters and if you're practicing 12 hours a day, Rank 3 shouldn't be too hard.
Lolwut.
Might be a good idea to rename the thread title a bit, expected to see a 6 month old in a bouncer smashing nerds in SC2.