EPTMLG and KeSPA Announce Multi-Year Partnership - Page 34
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
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black_ICE
United States59 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:03 Doodsmack wrote: Basically if any other western leagues want to have Kespa players, they have to go through Sundance as a middleman. Kind of a strange arrangement, I wonder if MLG would collect some sort of fee from the western tournament for such an agreement? $trange arrangement indeed. | ||
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Seekzor
Sweden49 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:58 JackDT wrote: So what did Sundance say in response to the exclusivity deal? I heard the end of it, he just seemed to be saying it's just business, this is how business works. Was there more before that? He talked about being the gatekeeper of SC2 basically. He said he could see himself talking to other tournaments about having kespa players or not. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
When we have all these smaller grassroots tournaments being held that are very high standards I see no place for an approach that Sundance is taking. They need us the viewer and not the other way around. Just because they have the game/broadcasting capabilities doesn't mean we should jump through hoops to see unproven players. As far as I am concerned GSL will keep the highest caliber of players and until the new Proleague proves me wrong it will stay that way. Just remember to vote with your wallet! | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:22 Rorschach wrote: Disliking MLG more and more (I am sure Kespa has their fair share of the blame on this particular issue).... When we have all these smaller grassroots tournaments being held that are very high standards I see no place for an approach that Sundance is taking. They need us the viewer and not the other way around. Just because they have the game/broadcasting capabilities doesn't mean we should jump through hoops to see unproven players. As far as I am concerned GSL will keep the highest caliber of players and until the new Proleague proves me wrong it will stay that way. Just remember to vote with your wallet! If I were any player in the GSL, I would refuse to attend MLGs. MLG is trying to corner the market by owning exclusive rights to some of the most anticipated players... But if those anticipated players remain untested against the current top players, can their exclusive product really be legitimized? Who gives a F if untested brood war players beat up on foreigners and themselves. Let them. | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:10 Seekzor wrote: He talked about being the gatekeeper of SC2 basically. He said he could see himself talking to other tournaments about having kespa players or not. let me predict ragemode interpretation of this "See. Simple. Sundance takes money from VCs, hands whatever remains of the pile that wasnt wasted on large prize pools for poorly followed games/sweet new york city offices and hands it over to KESPA to buy exclusive rights. Then turns around to the other tournaments and says pay me 2x what I paid for these rights or starve while Kespa teams buy up all the really good SC2 players with their much larger budgets and sponsorships. Sundance becomes the king of e-sports in the West" | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:27 Dosey wrote: If I were any player in the GSL, I would refuse to attend MLGs. MLG is trying to corner the market by owning exclusive rights to some of the most anticipated players... But if those anticipated players remain untested against the current top players, can their exclusive product really be legitimized? Who gives a F if untested brood war players beat up on foreigners and themselves. Let them. Good point but I don't think the Koreans will stop coming to MLGs anytime soon. Although it would send a powerful message to keep things open as if MLG doesn't have the Koreans (read GSL/GOM) they would have no SC2 at least anything that anyone would tune in to..... This is the last thing we need is a war between MLG/Kespa and GSL/IPL. Competition for the market is great as that improves the product but this asshat move to keep Kespa players exclusive is horrible for the scene and I will not support it..... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:27 Dosey wrote: If I were any player in the GSL, I would refuse to attend MLGs. MLG is trying to corner the market by owning exclusive rights to some of the most anticipated players... But if those anticipated players remain untested against the current top players, can their exclusive product really be legitimized? Who gives a F if untested brood war players beat up on foreigners and themselves. Let them. What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:31 Sub40APM wrote: let me predict ragemode interpretation of this "See. Simple. Sundance takes money from VCs, hands whatever remains of the pile that wasnt wasted on large prize pools for poorly followed games/sweet new york city offices and hands it over to KESPA to buy exclusive rights. Then turns around to the other tournaments and says pay me 2x what I paid for these rights or starve while Kespa teams buy up all the really good SC2 players with their much larger budgets and sponsorships. Sundance becomes the king of e-sports in the West" Their PPV model was simply something foreshadowing what is to come. Before we know it ALL high level events will be nickel and diming us. Talk about cornering the market and then squeezing the consumer for every last drop. Will be so pissed if Kespa buys up the current SC2 teams, I just can't picture IM, Slayers, MVP all being bought out.... GOM has worked so hard to make SC2 what its become the last few years and has created a different caliber of play. Nothing more cool than having current SC2 Korean pros going to IPL, DH, etc.... | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:38 jmbthirteen wrote: What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs. MLG is having what? 5 events a year? And their prize pools are paltry compared to GSL. Meanwhile they (GSL players) can attend IPL, DH, Iron Squid, and all these other smaller tournaments with somehow =/> prizepools of MLG. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:41 Dosey wrote: MLG is having what? 5 events a year? And their prize pools are paltry compared to GSL. Meanwhile they (GSL players) can attend IPL, DH, Iron Squid, and all these other smaller tournaments with somehow =/> prizepools of MLG. But they cant! IPL was paying for their Koreans (either by invites or GOMTV paying for GSTL teams. DH was not paying and they had like 5 koreans (out of which one of them was paid by ESV if I am not mistaken, others were Koreans on foreigner teams or with foreign partnerships who were paying for trips and 2 TSL guys who were probably sent there by Polt winning MSI Pro Cups). Iron Squid was online and final four trip was paid by Iron Squid. MLG is also paying for Koreans (and fortunately now for EUs and NAs). They will work with Dreamhack and probably other events as well with KESPA players in mind, as confirmed by Sundance. Also IEM is paying for their Koreans. Everyone is paying for Koreans, one way or another. | ||
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elsezilla
Netherlands30 Posts
On May 11 2012 23:50 algue wrote: Nothing amazing , this just means that that MLG will stay the same : TOP 10 full korean. I agree, I don't care how many koreans they fly in to play in their PPV-arenas, The viewing pleasure of a DreamHack or HSC-event is still better. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:38 jmbthirteen wrote: What good would that do for the current GSL players? All it would do is give those GSL players less tournaments to play in. Tournaments that pay the way for the GSL players to get there and have damn good prize pools. And as long as they keep their skill up, they will continue to get free rides to MLGs. How is it any better than MLG/Kespa intending to keep their league/pros exclusive to MLG/Proleague? It obviously wouldn't be good for current players HOWEVER consider the implications of what this "exclusive" partnership brings to the table. If they kill off the competition I guarantee you every event will become PPV and the quality will degrade as there is no competitors fostering a healthy market.... The amazing high level play we've seen the past year is because GOM has supported the foreign scene with its player pool. Think about how many korean pros have traveled to play all weekend and return on Monday to play in their GSL matches/groups. Just having these pros showing up at every large international tournament has been amazing. Also they've seeded lots of players into code S and allowed ppl to compete in Code A without being on a Korean team. I don't foresee Kespa/MLG being as generous with their teams and scheduling. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:43 Ammanas wrote: This thread is so full of bullshit. Basically, nothing changes. Kespa players will attend events that pay the trip. Wont be attending those that dont pay. Basically GSL teams are doing more or less the same right now. Either their players are sponsored by some foreigner money (either event pays or sponsor or the foreign partnership) and they go to events, or they dont and they dont go. Simple as that. But they cant! IPL was paying for their Koreans (either by invites or GOMTV paying for GSTL teams. DH was not paying and they had like 5 koreans (out of which one of them was paid by ESV if I am not mistaken, others were Koreans on foreigner teams or with foreign partnerships who were paying for trips and 2 TSL guys who were probably sent there by Polt winning MSI Pro Cups). Iron Squid was online and final four trip was paid by Iron Squid. MLG is also paying for Koreans (and fortunately now for EUs and NAs). They will work with Dreamhack and probably other events as well with KESPA players in mind, as confirmed by Sundance. Also IEM is paying for their Koreans. Everyone is paying for Koreans, one way or another. You're missing the big picture. The difference would be Kespa wouldn't allow their teams/players to participate in IPL/DH/ETC regardless of the venue offering to foot the bill. It would be an exclusive arrangement between MLG/Kespa and the new Proleagues players. On the the other hand Gom has allowed the teams to do operate however they want when it comes to attending foreign tournaments. The only thing keeping Korean teams from participating would be the individual teams financial situation in which case many organizations have offered to sponsor korean attendants because it draws a crowd. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:48 Rorschach wrote: How is it any better than MLG/Kespa intending to keep their league/pros exclusive to MLG/Proleague? But they are not intending to do something like that, this thread is getting ridiculous. Sundance said numerous times today, that they are working with Dreamhack and will be working with more foreign organizers. Part of this arrangment is also an exchange program with Kespa, so I guess good foreigners will be able to play in Kespa events, also they will be able to stay in Kespa prohouses. Also Kespa said they will be working with GOM, GOM has said Kespa progamers are welcome to tryout GSL whenever they feel ready. Yeah, Proleague and GSTL will probably stay the same for now, but who knows what happens in a year or two? OGN already declared, they want to do first SC2 OSL open to anyone, be it GOM, foreigners, amateurs, or Kespa. What of that is saying "exclusive for MLG/Kespa" only? | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:55 Rorschach wrote: You're missing the big picture. The difference would be Kespa wouldn't allow their teams/players to participate in IPL/DH/ETC regardless of the venue offering to foot the bill. Where and when has this been confirmed to be what is happening here? It hasn't...people are just overreacting. edit: guy above me has his head on straight, at least. | ||
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