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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
May 11 2012 17:58 GMT
#641
How are people mad about this at all? Like yeah I'm a huge bw fan but lets be honest here, I'm excited about this to see all my favourite players come play sc2.

And they are coming to the States! Next MLG I'm definitely going to go and get Jaedong's autograph!

I have no idea how anyone is actually saying this is a bad thing, other than the people who don't want the players to switch over at all.
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
WhiteWOR
Profile Joined June 2011
27 Posts
May 11 2012 18:00 GMT
#642
"The partnership will kick off at the MLG Spring Championship in Anaheim, CA on Saturday, June 9 at 9pm PT, when KeSPA Pro players will compete in a StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty exhibition tournament." So it will be Kespa players only in this tourney?
Anyways.. huge news!!!
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
May 11 2012 18:04 GMT
#643
On May 12 2012 03:00 WhiteWOR wrote:
"The partnership will kick off at the MLG Spring Championship in Anaheim, CA on Saturday, June 9 at 9pm PT, when KeSPA Pro players will compete in a StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty exhibition tournament." So it will be Kespa players only in this tourney?
Anyways.. huge news!!!

Yeah BW players only I'd assume. They wouldn't want to match them up against Pros when they're still adjusting.

Also since it was last post on the page and I doubt it was seen...

On May 12 2012 02:58 Femari wrote:
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On May 12 2012 02:38 Asymmetric wrote:
I'm actually fairly worried about this annoucement because of one word.

Exclusive

How the hell are they going to spread esports in the entire western world if it's limited to a US centric tournament. Is Europe going to get to see Kespa players on its soil, because if not then thats horseshit, not to insult the NA player base but theres a world of depth in talent right now between the two continents.

And now for a moment of me being pedantic

New York – May 11, 2012 –Major League Gaming (MLG), the world’s largest competitive video game league, and the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA),


What does this actually mean? I'm pretty sure dreamhack has them beat on sheer numbers of attendees. And I'm pretty sure BW Proleague had them beat in money terms and viewer numbers. What unit of measurement are you using for "largest"?

Number of competitors. MLG includes Gamebattles.

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Atrain1982
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
May 11 2012 18:05 GMT
#644
The exclusivity between MLG and KESPA could be for scheduling reasons. I believe MLG and GOM cited schedule conflicts as a reason for the split (or that is what they chose to say publicly). Brood War is noted for the quality of play that comes from top players who have time to prepare for matches. I believe on some level KESPA relises that the quality of their product will be hampered if top pros are running all over the world playing in weekend tournaments. By limiting KESPA players to only MLG tournaments, they can better tailor their tournaments to coincide with MLG schedules (most likely vice versa). A long-term, semi set schedule will better allow the Brood War pros to transition over to SCII, and give them the best chance to show the best games (i.e. provide the best product for viewers).

I doubt this will happen, but if the transition from Brood War to SCII shows us games where Flash and Stork get ROFL stomped by players like Clide, AND the quality of Proleague matches go to shit, it will be bad news for the growth of SCII. I believe this deal is an attempt by KESPA (and MLG) to protect the greatest and unkown quantity to hit E-sports since SCII: Brood War switching SCII.

or

KESPA and MLG could be run by anti-christs who have no passion for gaming and actively want to ruin e-sports


jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
May 11 2012 18:05 GMT
#645
all speculation is pointless until more details emerge from MLG over the next couple weeks. "exclusive" could mean a whole spectrum of things
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 11 2012 18:10 GMT
#646
On May 12 2012 00:53 Kuni wrote:
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On May 12 2012 00:48 StarStruck wrote:
On May 12 2012 00:46 figq wrote:
On May 12 2012 00:21 Kuni wrote:
I really hope though that all the BW pros get crushed like there is no tomorrow. Not because of all those BW elitists, no not at all. Rather because it would really kind of certify the hard work all of the real sc2 progamers like DRG, Nestea, MKP and all the others have put in during the last two years and it would show, that you cannot play the game a few weeks and suddenly be the king of the world. Even the gods will have to work very hard.
Heh, the gods have worked much harder their whole lives.


Yeah, I don't get what the other guy was trying to get at either.

Those guys got to where they're currently at for a reason. They know the definition of hard work.



They have been working hard their entire lives, but for a different game.


That doesn't mean they don't know what it takes. -_-
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 18:18:23
May 11 2012 18:13 GMT
#647
On May 12 2012 02:32 sc14s wrote:
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On May 11 2012 15:09 Amlitzer wrote:
I think I just threw up a little.

~_~ shouldn't BW bitching get banned for talking shit about sc2? when sc2 people get banned on a daily basis in the BW forums for stupid ass comments like this?

OT: stoked to see how they are coming along (the BW pros converting)


Half the reason they get banned is because they use silly one-liners like that, use unfunny memes, and the biggest one being uninformed/ignorant comments.

Sure, I'm missing some but there are many reasons.

Anyway, I don't see a really big crime in showing displeasure for such announcement because there seems to be several people doing it.
black_ICE
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 18:31:14
May 11 2012 18:25 GMT
#648
The idea of "exclusivity" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Even though the initial participation of KeSPA players is just an exhibition and the full details of this deal are vague, I don't see a need for this at all. Only allowing KeSPA players to play in MLG events only benefits MLG and seems extremely selfish. There are so many tournaments worldwide, it would be detrimental to non-MLG events by not having BW heavyweights play in the future. As of right now, I'm not even that excited about watching the KeSPA players. Having watched a replay of Firebathero, my expectations for the quality of the games for this exhibition are low. But SC2 is progressing so quickly, BW pros are going to be better sooner than later. Locking out the players from other tournaments for years is going to kill the legitimacy of the other tournaments when they're skill level eventually improves. It's like MLG is positioning themselves to squeeze out their competition by making this deal. The standard MLG answer regarding the success of other tournaments benefiting MLG by providing competition and not wanting others to fail, seems more hollow and disingenuous now.

Admittedly I am not a big fan of MLG, there are more fun tournaments to watch, like Homestory, Dreamhack, TSL and even the recent Iron Squid tournament(finals was amazing). Maybe I'm nuts and this won't play out like what I imagine or maybe it will, but I don't trust MLG with the responsibility of running the US SC2 scene, given the turbulent winter they had with the mass firings, sudden introduction of a pay-per-view only event and questionable spending of $50million when incredibly smaller tournaments like TSL and Homestory Cup(size and live vs online arguments aside) are run so much smoother on a fraction of the cost. Even the fact that they are holding this exhibition concurrently with Proleague exhibits haphazard planning and poor decision making.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 11 2012 19:23 GMT
#649
On May 12 2012 03:25 black_ICE wrote:
The idea of "exclusivity" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Even though the initial participation of KeSPA players is just an exhibition and the full details of this deal are vague, I don't see a need for this at all. Only allowing KeSPA players to play in MLG events only benefits MLG and seems extremely selfish. There are so many tournaments worldwide, it would be detrimental to non-MLG events by not having BW heavyweights play in the future. As of right now, I'm not even that excited about watching the KeSPA players. Having watched a replay of Firebathero, my expectations for the quality of the games for this exhibition are low. But SC2 is progressing so quickly, BW pros are going to be better sooner than later. Locking out the players from other tournaments for years is going to kill the legitimacy of the other tournaments when they're skill level eventually improves. It's like MLG is positioning themselves to squeeze out their competition by making this deal. The standard MLG answer regarding the success of other tournaments benefiting MLG by providing competition and not wanting others to fail, seems more hollow and disingenuous now.

Admittedly I am not a big fan of MLG, there are more fun tournaments to watch, like Homestory, Dreamhack, TSL and even the recent Iron Squid tournament(finals was amazing). Maybe I'm nuts and this won't play out like what I imagine or maybe it will, but I don't trust MLG with the responsibility of running the US SC2 scene, given the turbulent winter they had with the mass firings, sudden introduction of a pay-per-view only event and questionable spending of $50million when incredibly smaller tournaments like TSL and Homestory Cup(size and live vs online arguments aside) are run so much smoother on a fraction of the cost. Even the fact that they are holding this exhibition concurrently with Proleague exhibits haphazard planning and poor decision making.

of course smaller events like TSL and HSC run smoother. they are smaller! they deal with like 32 players. mlg has 256 players for sc2 alone while also running other tournaments at the same time. not to mention, tsl us all replays until the finals and hsc is a relaxed event among friends. comparing how those tournaments run to a massive mlg, which has over 700 participants is silly
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
May 11 2012 19:56 GMT
#650
Gonna be INSANE!
Pimpmuckl
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany528 Posts
May 11 2012 20:00 GMT
#651
This is SO SICK! Really pumped who is gonna be sent over.
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
May 11 2012 20:32 GMT
#652
Yeesssss! :D
I'm so happy I can finally see some of these players play in America.
Flash...you better be here.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17004 Posts
May 11 2012 20:35 GMT
#653
On May 12 2012 02:02 TBone- wrote:
I hope theres nothing ill between IPL/Gom and MLG/Kespa.


i hope they hate each others guts and compete with every ounce of energy they have to bring the best possible events to the fans
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 11 2012 20:39 GMT
#654
... and a countless number of nerd pants just go jizzed... good job MLG, Flash, Bisu, JD in June looking good...
black_ICE
Profile Joined November 2011
United States59 Posts
May 11 2012 20:43 GMT
#655
On May 12 2012 04:23 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 03:25 black_ICE wrote:

Admittedly I am not a big fan of MLG, there are more fun tournaments to watch, like Homestory, Dreamhack, TSL and even the recent Iron Squid tournament(finals was amazing). Maybe I'm nuts and this won't play out like what I imagine or maybe it will, but I don't trust MLG with the responsibility of running the US SC2 scene, given the turbulent winter they had with the mass firings, sudden introduction of a pay-per-view only event and questionable spending of $50million when incredibly smaller tournaments like TSL and Homestory Cup(size and live vs online arguments aside) are run so much smoother on a fraction of the cost. Even the fact that they are holding this exhibition concurrently with Proleague exhibits haphazard planning and poor decision making.

of course smaller events like TSL and HSC run smoother. they are smaller! they deal with like 32 players. mlg has 256 players for sc2 alone while also running other tournaments at the same time. not to mention, tsl us all replays until the finals and hsc is a relaxed event among friends. comparing how those tournaments run to a massive mlg, which has over 700 participants is silly



Homestory Cup and TSL have a budget in the thousands of dollars. MLG is funded by millions. My point is HSC and TSL are much better value for the money spent compared to an MLG. At the end of the day, it's me sitting in front of the computer watching SC2 and I have a better viewing experience watching TSL compared to an MLG.

Plus if the amount of SC2 participants is disrupting the running of the SC2 tournament itself plus the other tournaments during an MLG, seems like that would be a problem in organization on MLG's part. Being that MLG are touting themselves as the longest running, most experienced video gaming tournament in the country you would think the quality would be exceptional.

I guess a better example would be Dreamhack compared to MLG. Awesome events and they do it mainly from a volunteer effort. Other tournaments seem to be able to pull off amazing events without drama or controversy on a smaller budget. I think that is mostly due to the fact that they do it for the love of the game, not to make a profit.
"We turn ourselves in now, they'll give us 20 years in the electric chair." - Darren Roskow
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
May 11 2012 20:53 GMT
#656
MLG going PPV is fine -- every tournament can do what they want and the viewers can always decide to watch other events. But if MLG is able to leverage their current lead to get exclusive rights to the top players, that's not about offering an alternative, that's about creating an environment where competition doesn't exist.

It's been SO amazing seeing new new events. Lone Star was a real surprise - run by volunteer students! Iron Squid was shockingly awesome and so very, very french. HomeStory has a wonderful atmosphere. We've also got TotalBiscuit experimenting with monobattle tournaments and tip jars funding great online tournaments too. So much innovation and community building everywhere.
biomech
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany380 Posts
May 11 2012 20:54 GMT
#657
this is huge.. but is it any good?
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
May 11 2012 21:15 GMT
#658
Sundance on http://www.twitch.tv/StateOfTheGame right now to discuss this.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 22:08:05
May 11 2012 21:54 GMT
#659
So on SotG they just announced there's gonna be 8 progamers, one from each team, but most likely not ACE, because they aren't allowed out of the air forces.

Thus I edit down my list of hoping:
ACE: -
T8: Jaedong
STX: Calm
Stars: Soulkey
CJ: Effort
KT: Flash
Khan: Stork
SKT: Bisu, Fantasy

edit: They also confirmed it's gonna be single elimination format.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 21:59:13
May 11 2012 21:58 GMT
#660
So what did Sundance say in response to the exclusivity deal? I heard the end of it, he just seemed to be saying it's just business, this is how business works. Was there more before that?
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