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On May 11 2012 16:26 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Omg. Omg. Omg. This is perfect. My friends and I had decided to drive down for MLG Spring championships for our first ever live/big SC2 event like a couple hours before they even announced this. Yesss!!! :D
You'll have the time of your life, MLG events are awesome.
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On May 11 2012 16:24 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:23 DreamOen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:23 Tsubbi wrote:
Looks like Flash is gonna be there from Sundances Tweet !!!!!!!!!!
It shouldnt happen. Why not?
I will answar u with the post I wrote in the other page.
On May 11 2012 16:14 DreamOen wrote:
Actually am I the only one dont like it? I mean, we lately had been overflow with SCII content , and I Think that is part of the reason that the stream viewers are getting lower there is SO much content and the players are so expose that they lose the value of exclusivity. I hoped that with the BW switch and they playing just on OGN Proleague and OSL not moving out and not streaming there would be some exclusivity back again.
Nowadays even boxer streamed time to time. I dont feel the same if I can access MKP stream that easy, I am not as excited when he shows up in a tournament.
Even more on the topic, If I were kespa I wouldnt agree, and also Im not sure if in one month the top kespa SCII players will be able to put up an actual show in SCII, when we have been watching it for that long with really top players.
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Exclusivity sucks. (MLG events, in USA, are not exactly the hole international scene...)
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On May 11 2012 15:11 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 15:08 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
[marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
...WCG?
sick burn lol
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On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in.
And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover.
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Awesome news! Great job, this MLG will be amazing!
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I just pray that doesnt mean foreign finishers at future MLG will get any kind of seeding in KeSPA leagues
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Holy mutha freaking hell how will those SC1 bonjawa play are they following the current sc2 tactics or having own play style i am pissing my pans now
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The exclusivity is interesting.
I'm assuming this to mean that none of Kespa players will be able to participate in any other foreign events.
No dreamhack, IPL, NASL, IEM or Assembly. The multi-year is someone interesting as well.
If the broodwar pros do manage to get to the point where they are dominating again, they would be quite highly demanded and anticipated all around.
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On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover.
While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way.
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I expect the exhibition matches to look something like GSL open season 1.
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On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way.
Leagues WILL consolidate as the scene and competition grows. Like people complain, there's oversaturation already. The leagues that can avoid that and also force even more top names into their events will keep growing.
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Does this mean no Tasteless/Artosis/DRG/MKP etc. at MLG?
That's enough to make me not tune in. Let me know when kespa gets memorable casters. I want to see the BW players as much as anyone else, but we have storylines and histories with the GSL players.
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On May 11 2012 16:26 JackDT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 15:46 JackDT wrote:On May 11 2012 15:43 IMNasty wrote:On May 11 2012 15:38 JackDT wrote:On May 11 2012 15:15 IMNasty wrote:
so exclusive partnership means no chance the players are allowed to go to DH, IPL, IEM, assembly etc.? Wow, this news is a big bummer if so. The best part about the growing Starcraft community is seeing brand new tournaments emerge every year, each with its own style and atmosphere. Lone Star and Iron Squid. Homestory. Dreamhacks. NASL. So many different flavors and new ones popping up every week. Can you imagine if the US. Open got 'exclusive' rights to Roger Federer? Very strange model. sounds like MLG wanted to get the jump on the imminent new era of SC2 by securing the BW pros. not sure what to make of sundance's latest tweet It seems like such an obviously bad idea for the long term health of the game that I still kinda doubt that what's they mean here. Sure, it gives you a short term boost relative to other tournaments perhaps. But that sort of insularity will hinder growth in the Starcraft community in the long term. Maybe they just mean that Kespa players will always choose an MLG event any conflicting alternatives that weekend. It just seems nuts that they'd have players pretend the rest of the Starcraft world doesn't exist! JP tweeted that big news was coming, and TL was going to blow up. An then the story came out and I was like, what? We all knew this coming, big deal.But the exclusivity part is what he meant. That's a huge change to way we've always done SC2 stuff. Terrible IMO. I find myself suddenly hoping that open organizations like the GSL crush Kespa and MLG. And especially the homegrown stuff like LoneStar and Iron Squid.
But what were you expecting, really? That MC will go up against Obama in the 2012 elections?
This announcement is huge even though it was allready rumored.
On May 11 2012 16:38 Autun wrote:
Does this mean no Tasteless/Artosis/DRG/MKP etc. at MLG?
That's enough to make me not tune in. Let me know when kespa gets memorable casters. I want to see the BW players as much as anyone else, but we have storylines and histories with the GSL players.
I'm very sure that GSL-players still will be able to compete at MLG 
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On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way.
then people watch both. the overlap of NA and EU events is very small.
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How will this partnership play out? Kespa team will have select players play at MGL, but how will Kespa benefit from it?
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Flash?? Jaedong??? Bisu??!! SC2 action?!?!? /headexplodes
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I think it's pretty clear how Koreans players will benefit from this, but I'm curious to see how foreign players will benefit, if at all. In their partnership with GSL, few foreigners benefited, while quite a few Koreans received MLG priveleges.
The arrangement was fine for the organizations of MLG and GOM, since MLG got high profile players and GOM got foreign exposure to promote their show, however on the player side, Korean's seemed to benefit far more than foreigners.
Since MLG doesn't seem to market very much to Korea and KeSpa is planning to market to the foreign audience, I wonder if either MLG will start to try and tap the Korean market or if the arrangement will be pretty much the same thing as it was with GOM.
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On May 11 2012 16:20 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:19 xBillehx wrote:On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign a exclusive contract with GSL? Maybe they tried? MLG also signed halo players to exclusivity, effectively killing off any competition since they weren't allowed to go to other tournaments. Really halo players couldn't play in any other tourneys only mlg? lol that's kind of retarded xD
The only "tournaments" I can even think of MLG pros participating in would have been TLN (The LAN Network) and I don't even think Mr. Pennacchio gave out prize money for winners. It was more like a weekend of free food and practicing LAN before an upcoming MLG event for the pros as LAN was extremely different from internet play. Most pros even paid their own way to get out there.
They saw an easy payday early in their careers and sold their soul to the devil. Unfortunately for them, they grew with MLG and didn't know any better... being exclusive only made the game decline until they eventually became irrelevant in eSports. Now they are in an uproar, especially considering HALO is not in Anaheim next month.
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