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On May 11 2012 16:38 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way. then people watch both. the overlap of NA and EU events is very small.
not everyone wants to stay up for 18+ hours straight to watch both events though, one of them is bound to run during a time where most people are sleeping in a particular timezone.
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On May 11 2012 16:17 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:15 vik7 wrote:
isn't it too soon for kespa bw players to play tourneys, i mean they said it themselves there not ready, unless they've been trolling us -____________- They're not playing in the MLG championships, they're playing in an exhibition tourney
Think of it as a giant show match!
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I'm very sure that GSL-players still will be able to compete at MLG 
While this may be true, it would be next to impossible for Tastosis to cast for their direct competitors. That's the main reason I wouldn't watch.
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On May 11 2012 16:40 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:17 NguN wrote:On May 11 2012 16:15 vik7 wrote:
isn't it too soon for kespa bw players to play tourneys, i mean they said it themselves there not ready, unless they've been trolling us -____________- They're not playing in the MLG championships, they're playing in an exhibition tourney Think of it as a giant show match!
Better start playing Electric Romeo on loop...
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Anaheim is going to be crazy
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On May 11 2012 16:37 Deftscythe wrote:
I expect the exhibition matches to look something like GSL open season 1.
People keep saying this rubbish.
Go and have a look at the firebathero replays that are in the blog section and stop talking out your arse. After only a month of playing, it doesn't look anything like GSL open season 1, he's using a fast expand Parting HT style Protoss build.
I'd say they are already above the majority of foreigner pro level based on what I saw in those replays and with more time to develop since, so while they may not be Code S level yet, there is no way their play is going to look like GSL open season 1.
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On May 11 2012 16:41 Autun wrote:While this may be true, it would be next to impossible for Tastosis to cast for their direct competitors. That's the main reason I wouldn't watch.
Wolf, a gsl caster, is still casting for MLG.
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Will it be free to watch? Good news either way.
Hopefully some of them will at least try to qualify through open bracket. It'd be great to see them compete with current scene.
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On May 11 2012 16:39 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:38 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way. then people watch both. the overlap of NA and EU events is very small. not everyone wants to stay up for 18+ hours straight to watch both events though, one of them is bound to run during a time where most people are sleeping in a particular timezone.
how is that different then now? only the most hardcore fans stay up to watch tournaments not in their timezones. Me personally, I will catch the start of Euro events and then the end of the day when i wake up. Most people right now aren't staying up through the middle of the night to watch tournaments even when their is only one event during the weekend.
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Too bad about the whole "exclusive" thing. But good to hear that kespa players can go to foreign events.
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On May 11 2012 16:39 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:20 blade55555 wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 xBillehx wrote:On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign a exclusive contract with GSL? Maybe they tried? MLG also signed halo players to exclusivity, effectively killing off any competition since they weren't allowed to go to other tournaments. Really halo players couldn't play in any other tourneys only mlg? lol that's kind of retarded xD The only "tournaments" I can even think of MLG pros participating in would have been TLN (The LAN Network) and I don't even think Mr. Pennacchio gave out prize money for winners. It was more like a weekend of free food and practicing LAN before an upcoming MLG event for the pros as LAN was extremely different from internet play. Most pros even paid their own way to get out there. They saw an easy payday early in their careers and sold their soul to the devil. Unfortunately for them, they grew with MLG and didn't know any better... being exclusive only made the game decline until they eventually became irrelevant in eSports. Now they are in an uproar, especially considering HALO is not in Anaheim next month.
They didn't decline because of exclusivity, but that Bungie pretty much gave up on Halo reach and turned it into Cod.
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On May 11 2012 16:41 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:40 EnderCraft wrote:On May 11 2012 16:17 NguN wrote:On May 11 2012 16:15 vik7 wrote:
isn't it too soon for kespa bw players to play tourneys, i mean they said it themselves there not ready, unless they've been trolling us -____________- They're not playing in the MLG championships, they're playing in an exhibition tourney Think of it as a giant show match! Better start playing Electric Romeo on loop...
hahaha!
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On May 11 2012 16:41 Autun wrote:While this may be true, it would be next to impossible for Tastosis to cast for their direct competitors. That's the main reason I wouldn't watch.
except Tastosis wouldn't be casting for Kespa. They would just be casting MLG, like they do now.
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Getting closer every day it seems
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On May 11 2012 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:39 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:38 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way. then people watch both. the overlap of NA and EU events is very small. not everyone wants to stay up for 18+ hours straight to watch both events though, one of them is bound to run during a time where most people are sleeping in a particular timezone. how is that different then now? only the most hardcore fans stay up to watch tournaments not in their timezones. Me personally, I will catch the start of Euro events and then the end of the day when i wake up. Most people right now aren't staying up through the middle of the night to watch tournaments even when their is only one event during the weekend.
people are far more likely to change their sleeping schedule for a weekend to follow a big tournament if their favorite players are there if there's nothing else going on during the weekend. maybe It's not a huge % but euro events still can get 40-50k in the early morning in NA if nothing else is going on that weekend.
It's going to hurt viewer numbers that's guaranteed, everyone talks about this every time a scheduling problem happens.
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On May 11 2012 16:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
Getting closer every day it seems
maybe because you ARE gettinig closer every day 
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On May 11 2012 16:44 Verator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:41 Autun wrote:I'm very sure that GSL-players still will be able to compete at MLG While this may be true, it would be next to impossible for Tastosis to cast for their direct competitors. That's the main reason I wouldn't watch. Wolf, a gsl caster, is still casting for MLG.
The whole Kespa vs GOM thing is kinda overblown. It's probably behind them now anyways.
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pretty awesome. can't wait to see some games!
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I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
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On May 11 2012 16:47 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:39 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:38 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:36 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:19 Dodgin wrote:On May 11 2012 16:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:14 mireath wrote:
Shouldn't be to pessimistic as we don't know what "exclusive" means yet, but if KeSPA becomes the powerhouse in SC2 as it is in BW then it could be bad news.
If every decent Korean pro is signed with KeSPA, and the only foreign tourney they're allowed to enter is MLG, then that's pretty much GG for Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, HSC, Iron Squid and whatever. Great for MLG, terrible for the scene. Last I checked, MLG doesn't hold tournaments every weekend of the year. There is still plenty of space for these tournaments to exist. that's funny because the past two MLG arenas have been on the same weekend as other tournaments...hmm..yeah room for everyone I guess.On May 11 2012 16:19 Rakett wrote:
so now we know why tastosis isnt at the mlg arena.
(because they're gom)
No they aren't going to the spring arena because the GSL finals are on the same weekend and they have to be in Korea to do that, but you might be right that they won't do MLG anymore once this kicks in. And the events were all very successful. As long as MLG Championship events aren't conflicting with other major events, its not as big of a problem as people think it is. MLG Spring Arena 1 had the top talent, yet DH still had 65k viewers. These smaller 8 man and 32 man tournaments dont kill other events on the same weekend. Especially European events which wouldn't have a much player crossover. While It's true it didn't hurt them that much It's not a good thing that these things happen, if a free to watch MLG event with BW pros gets scheduled on the same weekend as a big European tournament then what happens? I just don't like where this is headed. While It's not yet obvious that MLG is trying to kill off other tournaments I bet a lot of people feel that way. then people watch both. the overlap of NA and EU events is very small. not everyone wants to stay up for 18+ hours straight to watch both events though, one of them is bound to run during a time where most people are sleeping in a particular timezone. how is that different then now? only the most hardcore fans stay up to watch tournaments not in their timezones. Me personally, I will catch the start of Euro events and then the end of the day when i wake up. Most people right now aren't staying up through the middle of the night to watch tournaments even when their is only one event during the weekend. people are far more likely to change their sleeping schedule for a weekend to follow a big tournament if their favorite players are there if there's nothing else going on during the weekend. maybe It's not a huge % but euro events still can get 40-50k in the early morning in NA if nothing else is going on that weekend. It's going to hurt viewer numbers that's guaranteed, everyone talks about this every time a scheduling problem happens.
and DH got 65k on their final day during those early NA times, while MLG Spring Arena was going on. The % your talking about is small. Of course it hurts viewership, but not nearly as much as people like to say when Euro and NA events conflict. Two NA events conflicting is bad, like we saw with IEM NY and MLG Orlando. But when events are on different continents, meh. Especially the smaller PPV events that MLG has ran this year.
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