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On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign an exclusive contract with GSL? You think "contract" means one party decides everything?
They got what they wanted from GSL. MLG only became that big because of the koreans. Before them who cares about Incontrol vs Painuser for #Top5 lol!
MLG didn't renewed the partnership with GSL, because they don't need it. They invite the koreans to their PPV-rip-offs and thats enough. Because so many koreans are on foreigner teams now, they will have enough koreans at their events.
Now its the same. With all the hype about BW-Pros switching to SC2, MLG wants a piece of the cake. I hope all the big names of BW fail hard in SC2 and get raped by CodeB players - then MLG paid alot of money for nothing! haha
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On May 11 2012 16:51 Frankon wrote:
I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
Realistically speaking you are going to be wrong. They don't make this kind of deal to send b-teamers. You make it sound looks a schedule is impossible to alter.
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On May 11 2012 17:04 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:51 Frankon wrote:
I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
I can guarantee you are wrong. Flash will absolutely be there barring sickness or injury. And ill die laughing if the KT will lose their PL match and not make it to the play-offs(yeah i know 0.001% chances of happening) cause their players will be not present or jetlagged.
or, in this deal that MLG and Kespa made, proleague won't have any games on that weekend.
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I just hope these type of moves don't fracture and segregate the community. It would be fantastic to allow anyone into any league they want. Not a huge fan of exclusivity.
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On May 11 2012 17:05 Davis23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign an exclusive contract with GSL? You think "contract" means one party decides everything? They got what they wanted from GSL. MLG only became that big because of the koreans. Before them who cares about Incontrol vs Painuser for #Top5 lol! MLG didn't renewed the partnership with GSL, because they don't need it. They invite the koreans to their PPV-rip-offs and thats enough. Because so many koreans are on foreigner teams now, they will have enough koreans at their events. Now its the same. With all the hype about BW-Pros switching to SC2, MLG wants a piece of the cake. I hope all the big names of BW fail hard in SC2 and get raped by CodeB players - then MLG paid alot of money for nothing! haha
This would never happen and that would be horrible to wish upon the BW guys.... But god that would be so sweet.
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This sounds awesome! So, I guess no free streams?
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Finally, the event that everyone has been anticipating and questioning has been unveiled. KeSPA has turned over and joined the rest of the esports league in SC2, and not in a way that many of us anticipated. Some of our "role models"(shout casters and SC veterans, one in particular I'm thinking of) thought that when KeSPA made the switch to SC2 that PRO-SC2 scene may become more divided, where players in KeSPA would not be allowed to leave Korea to compete, rather than joining us in the leagues and ladders that we have been building, as a community, for over a year and a half. However this is most certainly not the case.
I have a few questions, myself, about the future of foreign competitors. One of my lines of questions is "What will happen to the pro scene the way we see it now? Will the KeSPA players rise above everyone else the way we've anticipated? Will our hero players be trampled? How will this affect the mindsets of out stars now?"
This really could have two effects. First, this could inspire our players, coaches and teams to work harder and improve their analyzing techniques and practice regiment, or two, this anticipated dominant skill-set will steam roll our brackets as well as our mindsets. This second effect could be devastating to the foreign esports scene. I really hope it doesn't go down that road.
SC2 fans have generally been taking Korea vs. Foreigner sides. I've been reading through this TL thread and seeing that many people are now taking KeSPA vs. the current SC2 competitors. What an interesting switch. I personally have always been a foreigner fan. Whenever the match was a foreigner versus a Korean, I took the foreigners side. There were very few exceptions to my "picking sides" strategy.
A lot of the TL posts here talk about the word “exclusive”. This is an exclusive partnership. I can honestly say I’m not entirely sure what that means. How will this affect other competition leagues? Will KeSPA competitors be allowed to fight in tournaments like IPL, DreamHack, Iron Squid, or even The Shoutcraft invitational (one of my personal favorites)?
Lastly on to one of my favorite topics in the esports scene, PROFESSIONALISM. Lately we’ve seen players let go from teams left and right. We’ve seen events like the “ORB event”. Players, shout-casters and such have been let go and shuffled around all over the esports scene. How will the KeSPA scene affect us with how we act? This should inspire us to perform to the highest Grandmaster level in all of us in everything we do, how we play, how we speak, how we look. When someone you admire and hold in high respect walks into the room, do you not check yourself? Do you not make sure that you can look as best as possible before they see you? When you have to opportunity to speak to them, do you not hold your tongue from obscenities, vulgarity, and criticism sometimes, even if it’s constructive? Why would we not act the same way now?
I don’t mean to have us act with no enthusiasm, but I do think that we should check any immaturities at the door before we leave areas of privacy. When we “leave areas of privacy”, I mean that when we leave our houses, or even go online (BNet, Skype or streaming). Wherever people can see or hear us, we should be acting as adults. I’m hitting on this hard because now the top players are joining the foreign Star Craft 2 community. Quickly, much more attention will be brought to the Esports scene. This is a big business deal, and I see many companies wanting to invest more into Star Craft 2 teams, especially American based companies.
I really hope that more details arise about this collaboration between KeSPA and MLG at the MLG Spring Championship draws nearer.
-Tommy-
REFLEX_500
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On May 11 2012 17:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 17:04 Frankon wrote:On May 11 2012 16:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:51 Frankon wrote:
I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
I can guarantee you are wrong. Flash will absolutely be there barring sickness or injury. And ill die laughing if the KT will lose their PL match and not make it to the play-offs(yeah i know 0.001% chances of happening) cause their players will be not present or jetlagged. or, in this deal that MLG and Kespa made, proleague won't have any games on that weekend.
if PL does not have weekend games I will hate MLG for life.
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On May 11 2012 17:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 17:07 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 17:04 Frankon wrote:On May 11 2012 16:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:51 Frankon wrote:
I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
I can guarantee you are wrong. Flash will absolutely be there barring sickness or injury. And ill die laughing if the KT will lose their PL match and not make it to the play-offs(yeah i know 0.001% chances of happening) cause their players will be not present or jetlagged. or, in this deal that MLG and Kespa made, proleague won't have any games on that weekend. if PL does not have weekend games I will hate MLG for life.
they will still be weekend games, there will probably just be a bye week.
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GLHF next magazine will have 2000 pages to cover it all up from this month , way too much for my body.
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On May 11 2012 17:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 17:04 Frankon wrote:On May 11 2012 16:54 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 11 2012 16:51 Frankon wrote:
I hope you guys know that:
a) proleague plays at saturday - sundays
b) we still don't know what teams will play during that time - so if KT will have the proleagu match at 9th or 10th so no Flash
c) most likely they will send some players from the teams that won't play on saturday and sunday... but then those players will be jet-lagged for their matches on monday - tuesday.
So realistically this exhibition match will actually do more harm than good. Or that the teams will just send the B-teamers.
I can guarantee you are wrong. Flash will absolutely be there barring sickness or injury. And ill die laughing if the KT will lose their PL match and not make it to the play-offs(yeah i know 0.001% chances of happening) cause their players will be not present or jetlagged. or, in this deal that MLG and Kespa made, proleague won't have any games on that weekend.
Ok. It looks like they already took it into account. I forgot that in the first day all teams play. Some BW guro should come up with new PL timetable.
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very nice, top players from top teams
be sure to see flash, jaedong, bisu, stork, fantasy, zero, effort, etc
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On May 11 2012 15:09 Amlitzer wrote:
I think I just threw up a little.
Rick Santorum, is that you?
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I must fawn over Fantasy, Bisu Jaedong.
Why must you be on the other side of the continent Anaheim, DAMN U.
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On May 11 2012 17:05 Davis23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign an exclusive contract with GSL? You think "contract" means one party decides everything? They got what they wanted from GSL. MLG only became that big because of the koreans. Before them who cares about Incontrol vs Painuser for #Top5 lol! MLG didn't renewed the partnership with GSL, because they don't need it. They invite the koreans to their PPV-rip-offs and thats enough. Because so many koreans are on foreigner teams now, they will have enough koreans at their events. Now its the same. With all the hype about BW-Pros switching to SC2, MLG wants a piece of the cake. I hope all the big names of BW fail hard in SC2 and get raped by CodeB players - then MLG paid alot of money for nothing! haha
I dont get why you would hope for that to happen? don't you wanna further e-sports instead of hoping things like this fail regardless of the business side of things?
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@ REFLEX_500 interesting pointes I am not sure but your idea on the professionalism aspect seems very good. In the regard of exclusive rights... I think it is obvious and some people might say it kasparesk behaviour just to skip a lot of other tournaments and aproach only MLG. But I hope it is not that strict (I dont think so) and we get to see flash, bisu and jaedong compete at dreamhack that i have a chance to travel to the event. The whole thing might simple be a line that is drawn between the koreans from broodwar and the top korean of SCII. On the other hand: Is nobody asking himself about the other aspects? In means of exclusivity: Wasn't there a Progaming license you had to make to compete? If the whole kespar arsenal of players is switched over and can establish - won't the other (SCII players) come over? I dont know but it can be a possibility that the whole korean scene merges back together if SC II is established at the new old teams... In this case we might only have koreans at MLG 
BTW: PL timetable
3 rounds, as before: May 20-June 19, June 23-July 22, July 23-August 26. So it is in the first round of PL.
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Honestly, I don't think MLG would want to "Force" the bw pro's from only playing in their tournaments. Considering the way the community can react to what they perceive at wrong, it seems like it would be a poor business choice on their part.
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one thing i don't understand on kespa part is that why wouldn't they let their players play in other tournment? and do they still need progaming license to play sc2?
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On May 11 2012 17:05 Davis23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 16:15 larse wrote:On May 11 2012 16:11 Davis23 wrote:I think this exclusive thing is not because of MLG but Kespa. You think wrong! OK. Then why MLG didn't sign an exclusive contract with GSL? You think "contract" means one party decides everything? They got what they wanted from GSL. MLG only became that big because of the koreans. Before them who cares about Incontrol vs Painuser for #Top5 lol! MLG didn't renewed the partnership with GSL, because they don't need it. They invite the koreans to their PPV-rip-offs and thats enough. Because so many koreans are on foreigner teams now, they will have enough koreans at their events. Now its the same. With all the hype about BW-Pros switching to SC2, MLG wants a piece of the cake. I hope all the big names of BW fail hard in SC2 and get raped by CodeB players - then MLG paid alot of money for nothing! haha
So you want to see bad games and want to see mlg fail to put on the best show possible because they try to run a bisuness? what a real starcraft fan...
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