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Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
May 10 2012 23:52 GMT
#161
Yeah at least Flash will "finish" (his BW career) on top. Whatever happens in StarCraft 2, it can't diminish his accomplishments.
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
May 11 2012 00:00 GMT
#162
Im excited to see Jaedong playing protoss!
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 11 2012 00:41 GMT
#163
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 11 2012 00:43 GMT
#164
I wonder if the BW transition forced blizzard to buff zerg?
Considering the entire BW community thinks zerg in SC2 is UP from these interviews.
moo...for DRG
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 11 2012 00:44 GMT
#165
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 11 2012 00:46 GMT
#166
On May 11 2012 09:44 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn.

These are BW progamers. If they're upset about a race, it's going to be because it's significantly different in style from BW, not because they have to learn to deal with cheeses.

Oh, I just realized you're hunts...
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 00:49:28
May 11 2012 00:48 GMT
#167
On May 11 2012 09:44 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn.


There are a lot of timings and stuff you need to learn just to have a basic shot at surviving the dozens of cheeses the other two races. Its also very a very fragile race, even if you know the timings, which makes it harder in formats lower than Bo5. Its also very very different from BW Zerg in soooo many ways.

I hope at least some of them will stick with it despite it being such a massive change from BW Zerg in style (drone count, zerglings, etc.). Here's hoping the overlord change will help some- it really did seem slightly slowed down in SC2.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
May 11 2012 00:49 GMT
#168
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 11 2012 00:50 GMT
#169
On May 11 2012 09:48 zawk9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:44 hunts wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn.


There are a lot of timings and stuff you need to learn just to have a basic shot at surviving the dozens of cheeses the other two races. Its also very a very fragile race, even if you know the timings, which makes it harder in formats lower than Bo5. Its also very very different from BW Zerg in soooo many ways.

I hope at least some of them will stick with it despite it being such a massive change from BW Zerg in style (drone count, zerglings, etc.). Here's hoping the overlord change will help some- it really did seem slightly slowed down in SC2.


Hopefully, it will be a very sad day if jaedong switches from zerg. Also lol at the people trying to say that Z doesn't get cheesed a lot or that it's a non issue.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
May 11 2012 00:56 GMT
#170
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?


...seriously?

every single spellcaster, mutas, scourge, shuttle/reaver, wraiths, vultures, zealots, goons, lings

....
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
May 11 2012 01:00 GMT
#171
good to see flash sticking to terran
terran has so much more potential in multitask than protoss has
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#172
no love for zerg
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
HypertonicHydroponic
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
437 Posts
May 11 2012 01:05 GMT
#173
So, out of their own mouths Rhino beat Elephant, huh? Interesting...
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 11 2012 01:06 GMT
#174
How interesting that all the SC2 critics who were so quick to jump into the Elephant in the Room thread when forgg won a couple games aren't so eager to bump it now that Flash has said it would take him 2-3 years to achieve bonjwa status .
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
May 11 2012 01:09 GMT
#175
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?




mmmm, reaver >colossus dragoon> stalker carrier bw > carrier sc2
defiler > infestor queen bw > ??? mutas bw > mutas sc2 lurker > ??
bwtank > sc2tank vulture>hellion

This is a little example, broodwar micro was really high, almost all the units need a lot micro, engagements were more micro intensive
protoss living in da ghetto
darklight54321
Profile Joined July 2011
United States361 Posts
May 11 2012 01:12 GMT
#176
On May 11 2012 10:09 Berceno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?




mmmm, reaver >colossus dragoon> stalker carrier bw > carrier sc2
defiler > infestor queen bw > ??? mutas bw > mutas sc2 lurker > ??
bwtank > sc2tank vulture>hellion

This is a little example, broodwar micro was really high, almost all the units need a lot micro, engagements were more micro intensive


While i'll let you say the rest of those. Dragoon was just a retarded ai. i mean, it's like that special olympics kid who has no physical defects yet still gets in last place every time. Comparing dragoons to stalkers is just stupid. The other ones are actually micro potential, and not micro retarded.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#177
On May 11 2012 10:12 darklight54321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 10:09 Berceno wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?




mmmm, reaver >colossus dragoon> stalker carrier bw > carrier sc2
defiler > infestor queen bw > ??? mutas bw > mutas sc2 lurker > ??
bwtank > sc2tank vulture>hellion

This is a little example, broodwar micro was really high, almost all the units need a lot micro, engagements were more micro intensive


While i'll let you say the rest of those. Dragoon was just a retarded ai. i mean, it's like that special olympics kid who has no physical defects yet still gets in last place every time. Comparing dragoons to stalkers is just stupid. The other ones are actually micro potential, and not micro retarded.

...?

The point is that you still had to micro them...and that microing them would get you WAY better results than not microing them. Now, there's a lot less of that, particularly with Zerg, which is in many respects about getting good engagements rather than pulling off any micro tricks.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:17:46
May 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#178
On May 11 2012 10:06 Doodsmack wrote:
How interesting that all the SC2 critics who were so quick to jump into the Elephant in the Room thread when forgg won a couple games aren't so eager to bump it now that Flash has said it would take him 2-3 years to achieve bonjwa status .


Flash saying it will take him 2-3 years to be the best and actually taking him 2-3 years are quite different. He's a modest person.

What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?


Basically every unit ...
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:33:50
May 11 2012 01:30 GMT
#179
On May 11 2012 09:56 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?


...seriously?

every single spellcaster, mutas, scourge, shuttle/reaver, wraiths, vultures, zealots, goons, lings

....


Context is key. Zerg. So basically nothing, maybe other than scourge. Unless you want to go off on a tangent about control groups. But that doesn't make the unit inherently harder. Waiting for the day someone walks into SC2 with hundreds of APM worth of control to be able to split lings/roaches into perfect spreads to mitigate tank/storms. So in reality, waiting for Jaedong.
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
May 11 2012 01:37 GMT
#180
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote:
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed.

It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas).


What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have?

All of them.
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