EPTConfirmed BW Progamers race transition - Page 9
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:43 LimitSEA wrote: Even the BW Zergs hate their own race in SC2. I laughed. It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas). | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Considering the entire BW community thinks zerg in SC2 is UP from these interviews. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote: It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas). Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:44 hunts wrote: Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn. These are BW progamers. If they're upset about a race, it's going to be because it's significantly different in style from BW, not because they have to learn to deal with cheeses. Oh, I just realized you're hunts... | ||
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zawk9
United States427 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:44 hunts wrote: Or.... Maybe that zerg is the most prone to being cheesed which is what the ladder is full of and if a zerg doesn't perfectly scout an incoming cheese/all in he is most likely dead while T/P has an easier time surviving. And there's quite a lot of allins and cheeses for people just switching to SC2 to learn. There are a lot of timings and stuff you need to learn just to have a basic shot at surviving the dozens of cheeses the other two races. Its also very a very fragile race, even if you know the timings, which makes it harder in formats lower than Bo5. Its also very very different from BW Zerg in soooo many ways. I hope at least some of them will stick with it despite it being such a massive change from BW Zerg in style (drone count, zerglings, etc.). Here's hoping the overlord change will help some- it really did seem slightly slowed down in SC2. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:41 Shiori wrote: It's probably more the fact that there's so much more emphasis on macro BS like Injecting/Creep Spread/etc rather than units with a high micro potential (e.g. Mutas). What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have? | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:48 zawk9 wrote: There are a lot of timings and stuff you need to learn just to have a basic shot at surviving the dozens of cheeses the other two races. Its also very a very fragile race, even if you know the timings, which makes it harder in formats lower than Bo5. Its also very very different from BW Zerg in soooo many ways. I hope at least some of them will stick with it despite it being such a massive change from BW Zerg in style (drone count, zerglings, etc.). Here's hoping the overlord change will help some- it really did seem slightly slowed down in SC2. Hopefully, it will be a very sad day if jaedong switches from zerg. Also lol at the people trying to say that Z doesn't get cheesed a lot or that it's a non issue. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote: What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have? ...seriously? every single spellcaster, mutas, scourge, shuttle/reaver, wraiths, vultures, zealots, goons, lings .... | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
terran has so much more potential in multitask than protoss has | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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HypertonicHydroponic
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote: What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have? mmmm, reaver >colossus dragoon> stalker carrier bw > carrier sc2 defiler > infestor queen bw > ??? mutas bw > mutas sc2 lurker > ?? bwtank > sc2tank vulture>hellion This is a little example, broodwar micro was really high, almost all the units need a lot micro, engagements were more micro intensive | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:09 Berceno wrote: mmmm, reaver >colossus dragoon> stalker carrier bw > carrier sc2 defiler > infestor queen bw > ??? mutas bw > mutas sc2 lurker > ?? bwtank > sc2tank vulture>hellion This is a little example, broodwar micro was really high, almost all the units need a lot micro, engagements were more micro intensive While i'll let you say the rest of those. Dragoon was just a retarded ai. i mean, it's like that special olympics kid who has no physical defects yet still gets in last place every time. Comparing dragoons to stalkers is just stupid. The other ones are actually micro potential, and not micro retarded. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:12 darklight54321 wrote: While i'll let you say the rest of those. Dragoon was just a retarded ai. i mean, it's like that special olympics kid who has no physical defects yet still gets in last place every time. Comparing dragoons to stalkers is just stupid. The other ones are actually micro potential, and not micro retarded. ...? The point is that you still had to micro them...and that microing them would get you WAY better results than not microing them. Now, there's a lot less of that, particularly with Zerg, which is in many respects about getting good engagements rather than pulling off any micro tricks. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:06 Doodsmack wrote: How interesting that all the SC2 critics who were so quick to jump into the Elephant in the Room thread when forgg won a couple games aren't so eager to bump it now that Flash has said it would take him 2-3 years to achieve bonjwa status .Flash saying it will take him 2-3 years to be the best and actually taking him 2-3 years are quite different. He's a modest person. What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have? Basically every unit ... | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:56 rauk wrote: ...seriously? every single spellcaster, mutas, scourge, shuttle/reaver, wraiths, vultures, zealots, goons, lings .... Context is key. Zerg. So basically nothing, maybe other than scourge. Unless you want to go off on a tangent about control groups. But that doesn't make the unit inherently harder. Waiting for the day someone walks into SC2 with hundreds of APM worth of control to be able to split lings/roaches into perfect spreads to mitigate tank/storms. So in reality, waiting for Jaedong. | ||
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:49 Tyrant0 wrote: What units in BW had high micro potential that SC2 doesn't have? All of them. | ||
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