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On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship
Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work.
You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have.
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Not impressed..
It will actually take them another year to release stuff people have been waiting for since release....
Nice -_-
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On May 09 2012 05:39 pallad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 04:52 kolofome wrote:
its too good to be true is because they could have done this for WoL but they needed a reason to charge 60$ for an expansion set No offence but you are just stupid. They told it will be in patches , secound thing they also told that HOTS will be expansion price , not full game price. So stfu with this hate post , or try to think next time.
Can this honestly be posted with no moderation? Neither posts are of decent quality but it's sad that you can just insult people with no form of ban. Those 2 points could be said with no flaming...
I'm actually confused about unranked matchmaking. Isn't this already in the game?
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On May 09 2012 07:17 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 05:39 pallad wrote:On May 09 2012 04:52 kolofome wrote:
its too good to be true is because they could have done this for WoL but they needed a reason to charge 60$ for an expansion set No offence but you are just stupid. They told it will be in patches , secound thing they also told that HOTS will be expansion price , not full game price. So stfu with this hate post , or try to think next time. Can this honestly be posted with no moderation? Neither posts are of decent quality but it's sad that you can just insult people with no form of ban. Those 2 points could be said with no flaming... I'm actually confused about unranked matchmaking. Isn't this already in the game?
Where does it exist in the game?
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On May 09 2012 07:17 stormchaser wrote:
I'm actually confused about unranked matchmaking. Isn't this already in the game?
You might be confusing it with custom games? Unranked means you play games that don't "count" for ladder points, but the matchmaking is still automatic like the current ladder's quick match system.
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Blizzard should 100% patch these things into base WoL for free too after HotS is released.
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On May 09 2012 07:17 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 05:39 pallad wrote:On May 09 2012 04:52 kolofome wrote:
its too good to be true is because they could have done this for WoL but they needed a reason to charge 60$ for an expansion set No offence but you are just stupid. They told it will be in patches , secound thing they also told that HOTS will be expansion price , not full game price. So stfu with this hate post , or try to think next time. Can this honestly be posted with no moderation? Neither posts are of decent quality but it's sad that you can just insult people with no form of ban. Those 2 points could be said with no flaming... I'm actually confused about unranked matchmaking. Isn't this already in the game?
To clarify, unranked matchmaking will mean you can hit 'Find Game' and Blizzard will match you with an opponent on equal skill. The result of the match however, will not count towards your ladder points.
You cannot do this currently unless you know someone specifically that is at your level and set up a custom game. Joining a random custom game on Metalopolis for example, will put you in a game with someone of random skill compared to yours.
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Ho-ly SHIT. That's basically everything the community has been asking for since day one. A few years late, but hey, at least we're finally getting it.
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On May 09 2012 07:49 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:17 stormchaser wrote:On May 09 2012 05:39 pallad wrote:On May 09 2012 04:52 kolofome wrote:
its too good to be true is because they could have done this for WoL but they needed a reason to charge 60$ for an expansion set No offence but you are just stupid. They told it will be in patches , secound thing they also told that HOTS will be expansion price , not full game price. So stfu with this hate post , or try to think next time. Can this honestly be posted with no moderation? Neither posts are of decent quality but it's sad that you can just insult people with no form of ban. Those 2 points could be said with no flaming... I'm actually confused about unranked matchmaking. Isn't this already in the game? To clarify, unranked matchmaking will mean you can hit 'Find Game' and Blizzard will match you with an opponent on equal skill. The result of the match however, will not count towards your ladder points. You cannot do this currently unless you know someone specifically that is at your level and set up a custom game. Joining a random custom game on Metalopolis for example, will put you in a game with someone of random skill compared to yours.
Ohhhh that's really good then. I take that back.
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I think that unranked matchmaking will be a very good alternative. Too many players out there think points and rank are very important, and play more to win than to have fun. Or perhaps they only have fun when they win. This is the only explanation I have to the amount of cheese that is present in the ladder.
I hope the unranked matchmaking games will be less cheesy, and therefore funnier for me.
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Awesome! Been waiting for a couple of these!
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On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have.
Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid.
Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards?
Multiplayer-Nope
Patches-Nope
Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion.
Just because we bitched about things such as
-lan
-clan support
-replay sharing
Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income.
They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit.
Not to mention inflation, and the value of a dollar. Pretty sure when sc1 was released in 1997, i paid 60 bucks for it. And that was in 1997. The average cost of living goes up 3% every year, so technically we should have payed well more than 60 for WoL if you're going to use the same formula.
Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything.
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I wonder how unranked ladder will be matchmaked. If it uses the same MMR as ladder it will be pointless.
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On May 09 2012 08:46 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have. Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid. Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards? Multiplayer-Nope Patches-Nope Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion. Just because we bitched about things such as -lan -clan support -replay sharing Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income. They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit. Not to mention inflation, and the value of a dollar. Pretty sure when sc1 was released in 1997, i paid 60 bucks for it. And that was in 1997. The average cost of living goes up 3% every year, so technically we should have payed well more than 60 for WoL if you're going to use the same formula. Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything.
I can understand Blizzard skipping LAN to avoid piracy, but you're saying we're not entitled to expect features that have been present in the gaming world (especially previous Blizzard games - Warcraft 3) for the last decade, and yet we waited for 12 years and paid 60€. If Warcraft 3 could be released without region lock aren't we right to demand SC2 to be the same? Now it's Global Play(™) and we have to be thankful for the oh so great Blizzard for listening to the community.
It was not a demand, but automatically assumed by, I dare say over 90% of the people who were looking forward to SC2 to have chat channels, a clan system, a non broken custom game system, cross region play and many other basic features that have been cut from the game and are being introduced 3 years late.
If it wasn't for the fanatic followers of Blizzard who loved SC and Warcraft, this game would be dead by now. The damage has already been dealt when Bnet 0.2 was the laughing stock of PC gaming. How many people can be convinced to buy HotS when WoL was such a disappointment, not gameplay wise but on the side of Blizzard's support?
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On May 09 2012 08:46 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have. Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid. Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards? Multiplayer-Nope Patches-Nope Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion. Just because we bitched about things such as -lan -clan support -replay sharing Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income. They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit. Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything.
There is one little thing you forget in your memo of capitalism: the customer. Grow up man, people don't just give you money for free in the real world. You are spoiled and probably too young to remember the pre-ZYNGA days where you actually have to satisfy a customer.
Sure Blizzard is a business, no shit Sherlock. Though one would think an optimally run business would look back at things they did great and were loved for and try to preserve it. It makes much sense to actively decide to scrap things that worked in favor of Facebook integration and a complete cripple of the custom game system.
All the infrastructure arguments are pure bullshit. When you create a system from scratch, it's the single biggest opportunity to make things exactly the way you want it to. The fact WoL came a decade later also means you have contemporary technology and hardware available. "You can't re-create what was done years ago"- what non-sense. More than ever you can. Better than ever. More efficient than ever. Creating from scratch means to define exactly the capabilities and not to be constrained by old tech. When the net-code of WoL doesn't allow it, means only three things:
1) You never wanted it to be possible
2) It is possible, but you always wanted to release it later in favor of other things
3) It is bad net-code
Of the three possibilities, there is valid room to critic- as a customer. I don't have to care whether and why they didn't want or couldn't do this or that. All I know is that the features existed for decades, contemporary rival companies were always able to produce them, and for whatever reason it was decided to leave them out to release after. For money, because of bad programming- I don't have to care. It first and foremost is their problem.
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On May 09 2012 08:58 Greenei wrote:
I wonder how unranked ladder will be matchmaked. If it uses the same MMR as ladder it will be pointless.
Yes and no, it will be the same opponents more or less, but you won't lose points/rank. So now I no longer have to practice vs an opponent 4-5 leagues below me in a custom game (assuming no team members are online)
I hope you get the option to chose your opponents race however, would be nice to just queue up tvz after tvz after tvz when I want to practice just my TvZ
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On May 09 2012 09:08 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 08:46 Arkless wrote:On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have. Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid. Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards? Multiplayer-Nope Patches-Nope Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion. Just because we bitched about things such as -lan -clan support -replay sharing Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income. They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit. Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything. There is one little thing you forget in your memo of capitalism: the customer. Grow up man, people don't just give you money for free in the real world. You are spoiled and probably too young to remember the pre-ZYNGA days where you actually have to satisfy a customer.
Sure Blizzard is a business, no shit Sherlock. Though one would think an optimally run business would look back at things they did great and were loved for and try to preserve it. At makes much sense to actively decide to scrap things that worked in favor of Facebook integration and a complete cripple of the custom game system. All the infrastructure arguments are pure bullshit. When you create a system from scratch, it's the single biggest opportunity to make things exactly the way you want it to. The fact WoL came a decade later also means you have contemporary technology available. "You can't re-create what was done years ago"- what non-sense. More than ever you can. Better than ever. More efficient than ever. Creating from scratch means to define exactly the capabilities and not to be constrained by old tech. When the net-code of WoL doesn't allow it, means only three things: 1) You never wanted it to be possible 2) It is possible, but you always wanted to release it later in favor of other things 3) It is bad net-code Of the three possibilities, there is valid room to critic- as a customer. I don't have to care whether and why they didn't want or couldn't do this or that. All I know is that the features existed for decades, contemporary rival companies were always able to produce them, and for whatever reason it was decided to leave them out to release after. For money, because of bad programming- I don't have to care. It first and foremost is their problem.
There is also a little thing called, having the option to NOT buy the product if you think it sucks. No point in buying a game if you're just gonna whine/moan/bitch about it after the fact. You bought the game as is, so why bitch now? Did you walk into w/e u bought WoL pissed off giving them your money? You knew there was no lan/clan support etc when you originally bought WoL. So if so, why did you even bother to buy it? So you could "have the right" to bitch about it afterwards???
They could have just said meh, fuck it no free patches. They don't have to do shit after the fact, just like how Heinz doesn't have to come refill my ketchup bottle every time it empties.
Your capitalism argument is just plain stupid. You weren't anywhere apart of who I was responding to. So if you're going to try and be cute, be original son. Come up with your own shit instead of copy/paste/change 1 word.
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On May 09 2012 09:14 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 09:08 rotegirte wrote:On May 09 2012 08:46 Arkless wrote:On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have. Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid. Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards? Multiplayer-Nope Patches-Nope Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion. Just because we bitched about things such as -lan -clan support -replay sharing Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income. They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit. Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything. There is one little thing you forget in your memo of capitalism: the customer. Grow up man, people don't just give you money for free in the real world. You are spoiled and probably too young to remember the pre-ZYNGA days where you actually have to satisfy a customer.
Sure Blizzard is a business, no shit Sherlock. Though one would think an optimally run business would look back at things they did great and were loved for and try to preserve it. At makes much sense to actively decide to scrap things that worked in favor of Facebook integration and a complete cripple of the custom game system. All the infrastructure arguments are pure bullshit. When you create a system from scratch, it's the single biggest opportunity to make things exactly the way you want it to. The fact WoL came a decade later also means you have contemporary technology available. "You can't re-create what was done years ago"- what non-sense. More than ever you can. Better than ever. More efficient than ever. Creating from scratch means to define exactly the capabilities and not to be constrained by old tech. When the net-code of WoL doesn't allow it, means only three things: 1) You never wanted it to be possible 2) It is possible, but you always wanted to release it later in favor of other things 3) It is bad net-code Of the three possibilities, there is valid room to critic- as a customer. I don't have to care whether and why they didn't want or couldn't do this or that. All I know is that the features existed for decades, contemporary rival companies were always able to produce them, and for whatever reason it was decided to leave them out to release after. For money, because of bad programming- I don't have to care. It first and foremost is their problem. There is also a little thing called, having the option to NOT buy the product if you think it sucks. No point in buying a game if you're just gonna whine/moan/bitch about it after the fact. You bought the game as is, so why bitch now? Did you walk into w/e u bought WoL pissed off giving them your money? They could have just meh, fuck it no free patches. They don't have to do shit after the fact, just like how Heinz doesn't have to come refill my ketchup bottle every time it empties. Your capitalism argument is just plain stupid. You weren't anywhere apart of who I was responding to. So if you're going to try and be cute, be original son. Come up with your own shit instead of copy/paste/change 1 word.
My argument is plain stupid, because supply-demand is no fundamental principle? Or what did I miss, please do enlighten me.
Who said I bought it?
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On May 09 2012 06:32 Sats wrote:
Do people actually keep in mind that Blizzard are a BUSINESS
They are here to take our money and figure out ways for us to come back satisfied so they can take it again.
I'm happy with the announcements, it will progress the game to the next level of its life cycle, but all this Blizzard bashing makes me sick.
Keep in mind all this time they've been working on making the game more balanced and releasing patches, what are we up to now 23?
For god sakes lads pull yourselves together
And I'm a consumer trying to get the most out of them for the least amount of money. It goes both ways. Doesn't excuse anything really. To be fair the resuming games from replays and unranked ladder are the two more impressive features.
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On May 09 2012 09:17 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 09:14 Arkless wrote:On May 09 2012 09:08 rotegirte wrote:On May 09 2012 08:46 Arkless wrote:On May 09 2012 06:43 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship Well think of it like this... They have to release two expansions... So just new units will not make the community happy. The community sucks to make happy, since they want this and that. Look at CoD, same game every year with different skins and small additions. People will buy things that has a well known name attached to whatever they sell. I had a feeling they would add all of this in the next expansion. Since new units will not be enough to keep people satisfied to buy HoTS. So, yes it is good marketing, since they are with activision. They are getting told on how consumers work. You do not understand how the gaming market works. Some companies will do this since recession is still here and games are not selling as well they were in the past. I never said it wont be a new game, but they listened to what we want. Well, I am not a fanboy of blizzard because it is actually Activsion-Blizzard. The game is not getting milked ( Halo and God of War are milked games). The game will be below 60 dorras... did you get the memo? And you are not the first person to abandon "blizzard's ship", a lot of people have. Something tells me Sergio1992 is one of the few remaining BW elitists left here on TL. There are so many fail points to your post, it makes your opinion invalid. Saying WoL is simply a beta game, is outrageous and wrong. What do you think 90% of the invested money goes towards? Multiplayer-Nope Patches-Nope Guess what does!! Singleplayer!! Do you have any idea how much cgi costs? Let alone 30 missions full of 3d rendered motion images, full music soundtrack. Voice acting, etc. It is absolutely worth 60 dollars, and is not just an expansion. Just because we bitched about things such as -lan -clan support -replay sharing Doesn't mean we are entitled to it, which is a huge problem in this community. Sense of entitlement. I don't blame blizzard for protecting their IP rights, with no lan. That way there is no ICcup etc. As awesome as ICcup was for us, it was a way to play the game for free and blizz lost out in the end, regardless of what you. In my personal life I can name 3 friends that played BW ICCup, and never paid for the retail version at all, ever. Times that by just the amount of people that frequent this site alone and that's a dickload of lost income. They don't make this shit for free, and certaintly didn't make sc2 out of the goodness of there hearts for us. They are a FOR PROFIT business, and therefore don't give a shit if they don't make a profit. Tl;DR Grow up man, you don't get shit for free in the real world, you are spoiled and probably to young to remember the pre internet days where you actually had to pay for everything. There is one little thing you forget in your memo of capitalism: the customer. Grow up man, people don't just give you money for free in the real world. You are spoiled and probably too young to remember the pre-ZYNGA days where you actually have to satisfy a customer.
Sure Blizzard is a business, no shit Sherlock. Though one would think an optimally run business would look back at things they did great and were loved for and try to preserve it. At makes much sense to actively decide to scrap things that worked in favor of Facebook integration and a complete cripple of the custom game system. All the infrastructure arguments are pure bullshit. When you create a system from scratch, it's the single biggest opportunity to make things exactly the way you want it to. The fact WoL came a decade later also means you have contemporary technology available. "You can't re-create what was done years ago"- what non-sense. More than ever you can. Better than ever. More efficient than ever. Creating from scratch means to define exactly the capabilities and not to be constrained by old tech. When the net-code of WoL doesn't allow it, means only three things: 1) You never wanted it to be possible 2) It is possible, but you always wanted to release it later in favor of other things 3) It is bad net-code Of the three possibilities, there is valid room to critic- as a customer. I don't have to care whether and why they didn't want or couldn't do this or that. All I know is that the features existed for decades, contemporary rival companies were always able to produce them, and for whatever reason it was decided to leave them out to release after. For money, because of bad programming- I don't have to care. It first and foremost is their problem. There is also a little thing called, having the option to NOT buy the product if you think it sucks. No point in buying a game if you're just gonna whine/moan/bitch about it after the fact. You bought the game as is, so why bitch now? Did you walk into w/e u bought WoL pissed off giving them your money? They could have just meh, fuck it no free patches. They don't have to do shit after the fact, just like how Heinz doesn't have to come refill my ketchup bottle every time it empties. Your capitalism argument is just plain stupid. You weren't anywhere apart of who I was responding to. So if you're going to try and be cute, be original son. Come up with your own shit instead of copy/paste/change 1 word. My argument is plain stupid, because supply-demand is no fundamental principle? Or what did I miss, please do enlighten me. Who said I bought it?
Definition:Capitalism is an economic and social system in which the means of production are privately controlled.
I'm no longer going to argue with someone from Germany. An entirely different country, with different ideals, about a completely different topic than the OP.
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