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On May 09 2012 01:54 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Unranked multiplayer matchmaking will completely ruin the ladder. I'm going to mark this post as a favorite, and refer it to it over and over again as my vision of the future becomes true. Ok may 8th 2012, 1pm EST. Over and out
You will be matched against people your own skill level. What's the problem?
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On May 09 2012 02:09 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:54 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Unranked multiplayer matchmaking will completely ruin the ladder. I'm going to mark this post as a favorite, and refer it to it over and over again as my vision of the future becomes true. Ok may 8th 2012, 1pm EST. Over and out You will be matched against people your own skill level. What's the problem?
I think he means it will take a large chunk out of the regular ranked ladder players. I'm not sure if I believe it or not.. it seems those still active in the ladder are fairly 'hardcore' and want to be ranked. I see the unranked MM really catering to the 'ladder anxiety' people who have already given up on the normal ranked matches. We will see though!
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On May 09 2012 02:09 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:54 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Unranked multiplayer matchmaking will completely ruin the ladder. I'm going to mark this post as a favorite, and refer it to it over and over again as my vision of the future becomes true. Ok may 8th 2012, 1pm EST. Over and out You will be matched against people your own skill level. What's the problem?
None, he's wrong (as long as the two ladders have separate independent matchmaking system).
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On May 09 2012 02:09 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:54 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Unranked multiplayer matchmaking will completely ruin the ladder. I'm going to mark this post as a favorite, and refer it to it over and over again as my vision of the future becomes true. Ok may 8th 2012, 1pm EST. Over and out You will be matched against people your own skill level. What's the problem?
Mostly that he is making a baseless assumption about something that doesn't exist yet.
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On May 09 2012 01:46 Zic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:42 crms wrote:On May 09 2012 01:35 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:33 skeldark wrote:On May 09 2012 01:30 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:12 crms wrote:
Well this is all nice and cozy and better late then never but seriously? All is forgiven now?
It took 2 years and another $60 for them to add features we already had before...
Also whatever 'nice feeling' this update gave me was immediately squashed when Blizzard announced D3 won't have PvP until likely 2013.. I bet with an expansion pack!
It seems to be blizzards MO these days to release games with less content and then magically add it all back in for another $60.
Since blizzard makes good games we are all mindless zombies who will continue to fall for this model, all the while they laugh at us. Because it's not like they've confirmed that PvP will be a free patch and they aim to have it out way before 2013. You should really stop making up situations in your head that confirm your own beliefs. Don't forget that expansions are only $40, not $60. i dont understand people like you. They aim to have it ...Blizzard failed in Everything they aimed for in the last 3 years and you bring the argument "they aim to have it ..." . oO On May 09 2012 01:35 crms wrote:On May 09 2012 01:30 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:12 crms wrote:
Well this is all nice and cozy and better late then never but seriously? All is forgiven now?
It took 2 years and another $60 for them to add features we already had before...
Also whatever 'nice feeling' this update gave me was immediately squashed when Blizzard announced D3 won't have PvP until likely 2013.. I bet with an expansion pack!
It seems to be blizzards MO these days to release games with less content and then magically add it all back in for another $60.
Since blizzard makes good games we are all mindless zombies who will continue to fall for this model, all the while they laugh at us. Because it's not like they've confirmed that PvP will be a free patch and they aim to have it out way before 2013. You should really stop making up situations in your head that confirm your own beliefs. Don't forget that expansions are only $40, not $60. It could be $5, it's still a joke. I'm happy they finally after 2+ years (by the time it's released) re-added features we had a decade ago. That's not facetious, I am happy they're being added but I'm far to cynical to start doing backflips about it. It's a bandage on an amputated leg. The diablo 3 release blunders aside, if you think they're going to get pvp out by dec 2012, you're being criminally naive. Jay Wilson was interviewed as saying they expect 'late 2012', well if 'late 2012' is the same as '3rd quarter 2011' was for release, we're looking at mid 2013. Actually, he's been quoted as a few months after release, and who's to say that the features aren't coming to WoL users either? Because the wording from the blog post seems to imply they are. If it takes them a while to add PvP, so be it. I would rather get a good system than an incomplete system. Either way, it's been confirmed for a free patch, and not expo content so my point still stands. you're wrong, you're using outdated information. "Jay Wilson said: "The PvP system is still in a period of change and there is no definite schedule for its launch. It is hoped PVP mode will be in the game by the end of 2012. Of course I am not quite sure about that." http://d3guyz.com/?q=node/1573And I would argue that continually releasing games with less features then their predecessors is fundamentally wrong. You may want everything to be 'good' and not an 'incomplete system' but wouldn't you consider WoL and D3 'incomplete' since they didn't have all the features they were 'meant' to have? :boggle: That is out of date translated material, that's from his press tour in Asia. He later confirmed in many interviews that they plan to have it out much earlier. Either way, I feel that D3 has plenty more features than D2, and I feel it will be a complete game. Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:37 skeldark wrote:On May 09 2012 01:35 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:33 skeldark wrote:On May 09 2012 01:30 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:12 crms wrote:
Well this is all nice and cozy and better late then never but seriously? All is forgiven now?
It took 2 years and another $60 for them to add features we already had before...
Also whatever 'nice feeling' this update gave me was immediately squashed when Blizzard announced D3 won't have PvP until likely 2013.. I bet with an expansion pack!
It seems to be blizzards MO these days to release games with less content and then magically add it all back in for another $60.
Since blizzard makes good games we are all mindless zombies who will continue to fall for this model, all the while they laugh at us. Because it's not like they've confirmed that PvP will be a free patch and they aim to have it out way before 2013. You should really stop making up situations in your head that confirm your own beliefs. Don't forget that expansions are only $40, not $60. i dont understand people like you. They aim to have it ...Blizzard failed in Everything they aimed for in the last 3 years and you bring the argument "they aim to have it ..." . oO On May 09 2012 01:35 crms wrote:On May 09 2012 01:30 Zic wrote:On May 09 2012 01:12 crms wrote:
Well this is all nice and cozy and better late then never but seriously? All is forgiven now?
It took 2 years and another $60 for them to add features we already had before...
Also whatever 'nice feeling' this update gave me was immediately squashed when Blizzard announced D3 won't have PvP until likely 2013.. I bet with an expansion pack!
It seems to be blizzards MO these days to release games with less content and then magically add it all back in for another $60.
Since blizzard makes good games we are all mindless zombies who will continue to fall for this model, all the while they laugh at us. Because it's not like they've confirmed that PvP will be a free patch and they aim to have it out way before 2013. You should really stop making up situations in your head that confirm your own beliefs. Don't forget that expansions are only $40, not $60. It could be $5, it's still a joke. I'm happy they finally after 2+ years (by the time it's released) re-added features we had a decade ago. That's not facetious, I am happy they're being added but I'm far to cynical to start doing backflips about it. It's a bandage on an amputated leg. The diablo 3 release blunders aside, if you think they're going to get pvp out by dec 2012, you're being criminally naive. Jay Wilson was interviewed as saying they expect 'late 2012', well if 'late 2012' is the same as '3rd quarter 2011' was for release, we're looking at mid 2013. Actually, he's been quoted as a few months after release, and who's to say that the features aren't coming to WoL users either? Because the wording from the blog post seems to imply they are. If it takes them a while to add PvP, so be it. I would rather get a good system than an incomplete system. Either way, it's been confirmed for a free patch, and not expo content so my point still stands. Confirmed? by who? Blizzard? the ones that confirmed it will be in release? If they bring all the content in the patch lets say i give them 5$ and patch the rest in later. Would they agree on this? They haven't charged extra for content patches in the past, I don't expect them to in the future.
I agree, I have no problems with D3. PvP is not even a feature I or any of my friends care about. For their audience, PvP is a good feature to hold back and get it out there when they have it right.
And by audience, I mean that millions of people who will buy D3 and never go to TL or any website like it.
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What i would love to see is a better laddersystem with the mmr showing. 
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Blizzard never said these were going to be HoTS-only additions, just that they were going to be released at similar time.
Please, quit bitching about $40 for features when they never said they'd be exclusive to HoTS (and I HIGHLY doubt they will be).
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What is up with you guys. Blizz never released any kind of "DLC". You buy a Blizz game and you get the whole package. New features where ALWAYS avaiable to everyone, not just to people buying an addon. Take a look at WoW for example, or at Warcraft III. Yeah, you need the addon for the new areas or units or heroes. But you always got all the system tweaks they made, regardless of you owning the addon or not.
Why should it be different this time? >.>
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Looking forward to what they add for the clan support. Other stuff sounds great too!
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On May 09 2012 02:23 discomatt wrote:
Blizzard never said these were going to be HoTS-only additions, just that they were going to be released at similar time.
Please, quit bitching about $40 for features when they never said they'd be exclusive to HoTS (and I HIGHLY doubt they will be).
That's what they said about WoL 'features'... so we have every right to bitch if its not in there from day 1.
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On May 09 2012 02:30 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 02:23 discomatt wrote:
Blizzard never said these were going to be HoTS-only additions, just that they were going to be released at similar time.
Please, quit bitching about $40 for features when they never said they'd be exclusive to HoTS (and I HIGHLY doubt they will be). That's what they said about WoL 'features'... so we have every right to bitch if its not in there from day 1.
I guess you could, but I don't remember these features being promised at all. I remember them promising really good match making and no drop hacking, which I got. The new features, not so much.
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F-i-n-a-l-l-y!
I hope all these "special features" are released in time and the implementation of features will not be stretched over 24 months...
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On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship
This guy is so right. Blizzard will probably implement LAN mode on LoV so all the people will buy it. Seriously, I really don't like this kind of business model.
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On May 09 2012 02:45 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 20:13 Sergio1992 wrote:On May 08 2012 18:54 Rebel_ wrote:On May 08 2012 18:48 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 08 2012 18:32 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Glad everyone is so excited about paying for things that should have been included in WoL or patched in for free. Now i like to give Blizzard a hard time for a lot of things but that is just wrong. They have worked on WOL for 2 years now, from balance to engine improvements. Verry few companies do that, for free. You must be confused... every company does patches for free. The only thing that companies charge for are add-ons (DLC's).... I have not see any company that charges for their own patches... If so, do tell. Anyways, this is fucking awesome! Finally they have told the community what they will do for HoTS and it is what we all wanted. Browder said they could not add LAN due to the engine, so if you want LAN wait 4 years for LoV (it is not going to happen, but i hope lag will deteriorate in the coming years... and i think he said it when Catz was interviewing him last year). Clan support and Unranked ladder is just damn great! Can't wait for HoTS! Thank you blizzard for listening to what the community wants! I'm not actually really sure I will buy Hots anytime soon, because Starcraft 2 is still a beta game,with all these functionalities lacking, the sad thing is that there are blind people that don't understand that even if in beta state it is sold as a complete game. No wonders that blizzard became like that, wanna bet with me hots will be sold for 60€, not just as a mere expansion? And blizzard fanboys will start saying "ehhhh that's a huge new game you are just a pathetic worthless piece of life if you don't see how good blizzard is on delivering us what we wanted". Yes, delivering a new game to complete a beta game. And milking out people' wallet, and people still don't understand it, how fools they are, they just trust in Blizzard..... I hope not to be the only one that is able to see what Blizzard is doing... Making games with half the features they should have to have people ready to buy the day one the expansion. Great marketing, nonetheless, because poeple still fall for it. But I hope that when there will be an alternative to starcraft 2( if there will never be), I will be the first to abandon blizzard's ship This guy is so right. Blizzard will probably implement LAN mode on LoV so all the people will buy it. Seriously, I really don't like this kind of business model.
No customer likes it, yet it flushes money into the company's hands. That's why they do it.
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It's amazing to me how many people are trying to compare WoL to Brood War. This might be news to some of you, but Brood War was an EXPANSION SET. To all those calling WoL an "incomplete game," the same could be said of SC1 (pre-BW). So many people think they're entitled to everything. SC2 is a new game with a new code base. This means that features implemented in BW couldn't just be tossed into SC2. They have to all be re-made from scratch. There are plenty of valid criticisms of how Blizzard is doing business and making games nowadays, but at least they still support their games after release. This is still far better than most companies out there.
Some of you remind me of those people who get a new car for their birthday only to whine and yell at their parents because it's not a Ferrari. Grow up.
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On May 08 2012 01:08 Kennigit wrote:
Multiplayer replay viewing
Really looking forward to this. Although it will be 'soon'.
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On May 09 2012 02:52 mikejer wrote:
It's amazing to me how many people are trying to compare WoL to Brood War. This might be news to some of you, but Brood War was an EXPANSION SET. To all those calling WoL an "incomplete game," the same could be said of SC1 (pre-BW). So many people think they're entitled to everything. SC2 is a new game with a new code base. This means that features implemented in BW couldn't just be tossed into SC2. They have to all be re-made from scratch. There are plenty of valid criticisms of how Blizzard is doing business and making games nowadays, but at least they still support their games after release. This is still far better than most companies out there.
Some of you remind me of those people who get a new car for their birthday only to whine and yell at their parents because it's not a Ferrari. Grow up.
/aaaaagggrrreeeeeee
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On May 09 2012 02:52 mikejer wrote:
It's amazing to me how many people are trying to compare WoL to Brood War. This might be news to some of you, but Brood War was an EXPANSION SET. To all those calling WoL an "incomplete game," the same could be said of SC1 (pre-BW). So many people think they're entitled to everything. SC2 is a new game with a new code base. This means that features implemented in BW couldn't just be tossed into SC2. They have to all be re-made from scratch. There are plenty of valid criticisms of how Blizzard is doing business and making games nowadays, but at least they still support their games after release. This is still far better than most companies out there.
Some of you remind me of those people who get a new car for their birthday only to whine and yell at their parents because it's not a Ferrari. Grow up.
Wait, your telling me that programing that Blizzard did in 1998 cannot be directly ported into a game from 2010? You mean that all the features they built up over time cannot lifted and dropped with minimal effort? Are you telling me that a game that was based on sprites and an internet that was based on dial up connections might be simpler than a more modern game and its net code?
Because sir, that sound far to logical to be true.
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I am so happy, thanks for the initiative blizzard all of us appreciate it. Well done
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On the unranked matchmaking system:
If anything, this will kind of "purify" the ladder of people who only ladder because it's easy to find someone with equal skill. I forsee an exodus of people at most skill levels leaving the ladder. This will result in just those who want to "ladder" in the ladder competing against other people who care and want to "ladder".
I like it. It will make the ladder MORE competitive because most people will practice builds on the unranked system. Then they will only bring builds that have been practiced and refinded to the ladder.
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